Chicago Bears trade #1 pick to the Carolina Panthers!!!!! (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Octopus]

I am usually a doe eyed optimist, and it sure looks like the Bears got a good deal even without the DJ Moore addition. But I am not at all convinced that he's a viable #1 WR. I guess I'm more in the "show me" camp.

I know his QB's have been mostly garbage, but even so, looking at his ability to catch, his reception percentage hasn't even cracked the 10th percentile of all receivers catching more than 40 balls in the last 3 years. Here are his rankings among this arbitrarily defined cohort by year:

Year	# 40+ Catches	Moore Rank	Moore Percentile
2022​	112​	107​	4.5%​
2021​	116​	109​	6.0%​
2020​	119​	114​	4.2%​
2019​	112​	74​	33.9%​
2018​	101​	51​	49.5%​

His NCAA reception percentage (like his NFL) is below 60%. This is not an elite receiver. As a Bears fan, I hope he's a viable #1 receiver.

He may not be a true No. 1 but having two No. 2s (and arguably three) is much better than what Fields has dealt with. At the very least I don’t think it’s arguable that Moore isnt the best WRs Fields has had in the NFL.

 

[Bluesbomber]

Happy to see this move by Bears and interesting to see how it plays out. Assuming with so much cap space at least two of their glaring needs will be addressed out of Edge, DT (3), impact OG and OT. Assuming 9 pick will be used on BPA for an impact lineman on either side of the ball or a can't miss cover CB. There are also rumors of a player coveted that I won't mention due to the guff sure to come from some. Very intriguing offseason after some nice baby steps last season in young OL , DB and Fields development.

 

[travdogg]

As has been said in many threads since the deal, Moore is good, but he isn't elite

I think a 25 year old WR1 in his prime for a 1 is a steal, and frankly, there’s a better than 50% chance that any First rounder is a bust.

also, DJ Moore’s 5,201 career yards would rank him…..let’s see…….#1 all time in Chicago.

they been driving Nissan in Chicago for 60 years, but they won’t take a BMW now, cause they might get a Maybach in two years? Bad business

There is a chance any 1st can be a bust, but there's also a chance it can be a lot better player than DJ Moore, especially if its a high one. I don't hate Moore at all, just think that 2025 1st would be nicer to have long term.

I don't really think DJ Moore having more career yards than any Bears WR makes him better than some of the guys they've had. DJ Moore on his best day, is nowhere near as good as 2012-2014 Brandon Marshall or 2013-2015 Alshon Jeffery, even 2018-2020 Allen Robinson was arguably better.

The WR1 thing is something I question about Moore. I kinda think he's more of a WR2 (albeit a very good one) who has sort of been pushed as a WR1 because of the lack of quality players around him. I feel the same way about Terry McLaurin. Sure they both had bad QBs, but so do lots of WRs, and the true WR1s get it done anyway. DeAndre Hopkins kept on chugging along whether it was Deshaun Watson, Brian Hoyer, or Tom Savage throwing him the ball. Small sample size, but Davante Adams sure seemed fine with Jarret Stidham, and once upon a time, with XFL QB Brett Hundley.

Right now, I think the Bears have a high-end WR2, and 2 low-end WR2s. That's fine, and a huge upgrade from last year, but it does feel like people are acting like Moore is AJ Brown just needing to get off the Titans, and I really don't think he's that talented at all.

 

[flapgreen]

I am usually a doe eyed optimist, and it sure looks like the Bears got a good deal even without the DJ Moore addition. But I am not at all convinced that he's a viable #1 WR. I guess I'm more in the "show me" camp.

I know his QB's have been mostly garbage, but even so, looking at his ability to catch, his reception percentage hasn't even cracked the 10th percentile of all receivers catching more than 40 balls in the last 3 years. Here are his rankings among this arbitrarily defined cohort by year:

Year	# 40+ Catches	Moore Rank	Moore Percentile
2022​	112​	107​	4.5%​
2021​	116​	109​	6.0%​
2020​	119​	114​	4.2%​
2019​	112​	74​	33.9%​
2018​	101​	51​	49.5%​

His NCAA reception percentage (like his NFL) is below 60%. This is not an elite receiver. As a Bears fan, I hope he's a viable #1 receiver.

He's a viable # 1, whatever that actually means. You don't need a Chase or Jefferson as your #1 WR to be successful. Could they use another guy from the draft as well? Probably. But if they can't build up both lines, Moore is plenty good to be their top guy.

 

[flapgreen]

As has been said in many threads since the deal, Moore is good, but he isn't elite

I think a 25 year old WR1 in his prime for a 1 is a steal, and frankly, there’s a better than 50% chance that any First rounder is a bust.

also, DJ Moore’s 5,201 career yards would rank him…..let’s see…….#1 all time in Chicago.

they been driving Nissan in Chicago for 60 years, but they won’t take a BMW now, cause they might get a Maybach in two years? Bad business

There is a chance any 1st can be a bust, but there's also a chance it can be a lot better player than DJ Moore, especially if its a high one. I don't hate Moore at all, just think that 2025 1st would be nicer to have long term.

I don't really think DJ Moore having more career yards than any Bears WR makes him better than some of the guys they've had. DJ Moore on his best day, is nowhere near as good as 2012-2014 Brandon Marshall or 2013-2015 Alshon Jeffery, even 2018-2020 Allen Robinson was arguably better.

The WR1 thing is something I question about Moore. I kinda think he's more of a WR2 (albeit a very good one) who has sort of been pushed as a WR1 because of the lack of quality players around him. I feel the same way about Terry McLaurin. Sure they both had bad QBs, but so do lots of WRs, and the true WR1s get it done anyway. DeAndre Hopkins kept on chugging along whether it was Deshaun Watson, Brian Hoyer, or Tom Savage throwing him the ball. Small sample size, but Davante Adams sure seemed fine with Jarret Stidham, and once upon a time, with XFL QB Brett Hundley.

Right now, I think the Bears have a high-end WR2, and 2 low-end WR2s. That's fine, and a huge upgrade from last year, but it does feel like people are acting like Moore is AJ Brown just needing to get off the Titans, and I really don't think he's that talented at all.

Semantics. This sounds like someone building an imaginary football team. If the Bears build a good team from top to bottom, it's not going to matter if Moore is a high end WR2 or an elite WR1. These just seem like words thrown around. He's better than any guy coming out this year and to even look at what could be available in a 1st round pick 2 years from now or what they could be is impossible. The Bears needed WR help badly. This was their best shot at one.

 

[facook]

Happy to see this move by Bears and interesting to see how it plays out. Assuming with so much cap space at least two of their glaring needs will be addressed out of Edge, DT (3), impact OG and OT. Assuming 9 pick will be used on BPA for an impact lineman on either side of the ball or a can't miss cover CB. There are also rumors of a player coveted that I won't mention due to the guff sure to come from some. Very intriguing offseason after some nice baby steps last season in young OL , DB and Fields development.

No shame in wanting Bijan. The nerds aren't ALWAYS right.

 

[Bri]

REPORT: Panthers Are Already Trying To Trade The 1st-Overall Pick They Just Acquired From Bears In Blockbuster Deal

The Carolina Panthers just acquired the first-overall pick of the 2023 draft from the Chicago Bears, and they're already trying to trade it.

www.totalprosports.com

Spicey

jeez is this real?

I guess it's gotta have some teeth to it. There's enough talk going around.
The weird thing may be that this doesn't happen more often. Suppose ten teams contacted the Bears. Is it really correct of us to expect them all to be like "no more interest, the Panthers got it now."
I don't know.
I was half joking earlier that they should because I didn't like the deal but now I'm totally wondering all sorts and stewing on this

 

[Dr. Octopus]

DJ Moore on his best day, is nowhere near as good as 2012-2014 Brandon Marshall or 2013-2015 Alshon Jeffery, even 2018-2020 Allen Robinson was arguably better.

What’s the relevance?

 

[Grahamburn]

REPORT: Panthers Are Already Trying To Trade The 1st-Overall Pick They Just Acquired From Bears In Blockbuster Deal

The Carolina Panthers just acquired the first-overall pick of the 2023 draft from the Chicago Bears, and they're already trying to trade it.

www.totalprosports.com

Spicey

jeez is this real?

I guess it's gotta have some teeth to it. There's enough talk going around.
The weird thing may be that this doesn't happen more often. Suppose ten teams contacted the Bears. Is it really correct of us to expect them all to be like "no more interest, the Panthers got it now."
I don't know.
I was half joking earlier that they should because I didn't like the deal but now I'm totally wondering all sorts and stewing on this

Don’t you think those ten teams already made their best offer to the Bears though? Why would they all of a sudden increase what they were willing to give up just because the Panthers have the pick now?

The Panthers may have some buyers remorse, but I don’t see how they do better than the Bears did with the pick. I guess they could sell it to the Colts now, still get a QB at 4, and recoup some picks in the process.

 

[travdogg]

DJ Moore on his best day, is nowhere near as good as 2012-2014 Brandon Marshall or 2013-2015 Alshon Jeffery, even 2018-2020 Allen Robinson was arguably better.

What’s the relevance?

The comment I was responding to was implying the Bears have never had a WR as good as Moore. As a Bears fan, I strongly disagreed. Has no relevance to the trade itself or to Moore's fantasy value, just wanted to correct that statement is all.

 

[Bri]

REPORT: Panthers Are Already Trying To Trade The 1st-Overall Pick They Just Acquired From Bears In Blockbuster Deal

The Carolina Panthers just acquired the first-overall pick of the 2023 draft from the Chicago Bears, and they're already trying to trade it.

www.totalprosports.com

Spicey

jeez is this real?

I guess it's gotta have some teeth to it. There's enough talk going around.
The weird thing may be that this doesn't happen more often. Suppose ten teams contacted the Bears. Is it really correct of us to expect them all to be like "no more interest, the Panthers got it now."
I don't know.
I was half joking earlier that they should because I didn't like the deal but now I'm totally wondering all sorts and stewing on this

Don’t you think those ten teams already made their best offer to the Bears though? Why would they all of a sudden increase what they were willing to give up just because the Panthers have the pick now?

The Panthers may have some buyers remorse, but I don’t see how they do better than the Bears did with the pick. I guess they could sell it to the Colts now, still get a QB at 4, and recoup some picks in the process.

Oh I surely lean towards the Panthers offered the most. It could be Moore was a gem to them too. I'm not a huge fan but I recognize many are.
My thinking was they needed as many picks to fill as many spots as they can- not less picks.
You mention the Colts. What if they throw in Shaq? Reich adored him and the Panthers already have a nicely built D. What if he liked this WR or that TE but thought the weak QB play didn't help their career?
But in general- they can have one pick each round or do they want many picks? This is what I think- they simply need as many as possible

 

[nysfl2]

REPORT: Panthers Are Already Trying To Trade The 1st-Overall Pick They Just Acquired From Bears In Blockbuster Deal

The Carolina Panthers just acquired the first-overall pick of the 2023 draft from the Chicago Bears, and they're already trying to trade it.

www.totalprosports.com

Spicey

jeez is this real?

I guess it's gotta have some teeth to it. There's enough talk going around.
The weird thing may be that this doesn't happen more often. Suppose ten teams contacted the Bears. Is it really correct of us to expect them all to be like "no more interest, the Panthers got it now."
I don't know.
I was half joking earlier that they should because I didn't like the deal but now I'm totally wondering all sorts and stewing on this

Don’t you think those ten teams already made their best offer to the Bears though? Why would they all of a sudden increase what they were willing to give up just because the Panthers have the pick now?

The Panthers may have some buyers remorse, but I don’t see how they do better than the Bears did with the pick. I guess they could sell it to the Colts now, still get a QB at 4, and recoup some picks in the process.

If I learned anything from "draft day", they'll be able to trade back down, recoup all of their picks, and still get the guy they really want

 

[Bri]

Interesting take I just read- several GMs believe you wait as long as you can to trade the top pick because they will increase the offer last minute

 

[ghostguy123]

Interesting take I just read- several GMs believe you wait as long as you can to trade the top pick because they will increase the offer last minute

Or you lose out entirely and have to draft at 1.
If it was the top can't miss 1 guy then sure, maybe try that.

Also, knowing what assets you have right now before free agency has value.

 

[massraider]

Or you lose out entirely and have to draft at 1

You don't believe this was a possible outcome for the Bears, do you?

 

[ghostguy123]

Or you lose out entirely and have to draft at 1

You don't believe this was a possible outcome for the Bears, do you?

Absolutely possible. Not very likely.
Either way, they got a great return right now before free agency hits. As I said, there's also value in that. Their approach may have been drastically different not having DJ Moore.

 

[Psychopav]

On the Score, Spiegel cited PFF stats that Fields was #1 in the NFL in pass completions from 10-19 yards in 2022, at 67.6%. Moore is #2 in targets in that same range over the 2019-2022 seasons.

So IF things don't work out with Moore as a #1 receiver, I think this is one of the main areas we need to be looking at before we decide where to point the finger.

@travdogg mentioned Terry McLaurin above as comparable to DJ Moore. McLaurin's reception % is above 60 though.

I like the trade, not saying I don't. Just not ready to crown Moore's ***. On that same Score program I mentioned, Parkins & Spiegel compare this situation to the trade for Peppers, the trade for Cutler, and even (gasp) the (in)famous Herschel Walker trade. We Chicago fans can be easy to rile up when we're talking hypotheticals, that's all I'm saying. Hopefully Moore explodes next year. And hopefully Carolina rebuilds and gives us a great 2024 first round.

 

[Deamon]

Interesting take I just read- several GMs believe you wait as long as you can to trade the top pick because they will increase the offer last minute

Don't think they'd ever get higher than this.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Bears trading #1 pick to Carolina for:

Pick 9
Pick 61
2024 1st
2025 2nd
DJ Moore


That's a hell of a haul

This was reported here on Friday at 5:31 PM

• Friday at 5:31 PM

Matt Miller proposed that the Panthers should trade-up to the top pick to get a quarterback less than two hours before the trade happened.
Impressive.
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Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout

If I’m the Panthers, I’m doing whatever it takes to go up and get a QB. A 2023 starter isn’t falling to No. 9 overall. Identify and go get your guy. Even if it means go to No. 1 overall.
For me it would be CJ Stroud in that scheme and with those weapons. Re-sign Foreman, add a mid round TE and let’s go.
3:33 PM · March 10,2023
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Hadn't seen him get credit for that call.

 

[renesauz]

All this bickering about Moore's value, but truth is even the pessimists will agree he's worth a 2. And Chicago collected another 2 and 2 firsts...one of those still a top ten pick!

 

[menobrown]

Interesting take I just read- several GMs believe you wait as long as you can to trade the top pick because they will increase the offer last minute

I would disagree with the major advantage the Bears have of being able to proceed in FA knowing what they have to addres, which is why Poles had a goal to get this done before today. For example, that they know they have DJ Moore means they don't have to get into the WR market.

 

[Bri]

Interesting take I just read- several GMs believe you wait as long as you can to trade the top pick because they will increase the offer last minute

I would disagree with the major advantage the Bears have of being able to proceed in FA knowing what they have to addres, which is why Poles had a goal to get this done before today. For example, that they know they have DJ Moore means they don't have to get into the WR market.

True but both situations could be possible here