Chicago DL Tommie Harris possibly out for the year (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

I haven't seen any further details. http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=2769

:(

 

[DoubleG]

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[TitusIII]

LAKE FOREST, Ill. - Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tommie

Harris, who made the Pro Bowl a year ago, could miss the remainder

of the season with a severe hamstring injury.

Harris left Sunday's game against Minnesota in the third quarter

with what was originally announced as a sprained left knee. Coach

Lovie Smith said Monday the injury was not considered

season-ending.

But on Thursday Smith said the hamstring injury was more severe

than the knee sprain and that Harris was slated to go to Dallas to

see a specialist. He added that Harris could miss the remaining

four regular-season games and perhaps even the playoffs.

Dagger to the Bears Super Bowl hopes, imo.........

 

[PsychoMan]

I'm also hearing on local radio that Tommie is likely out the remainder of the season. They're saying the hammy injury is real bad. first mike brown ... now harris. dangit the bears hopes are falling fast.

who's his backup btw?

 

[JaxBill]

ESPN's ticker says he'll miss rest of season and playoffs.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I'm also hearing on local radio that Tommie is likely out the remainder of the season. They're saying the hammy injury is real bad. first mike brown ... now harris. dangit the bears hopes are falling fast.who's his backup btw?

Luckily, the Bears have some very good depth on their D Line. Of course, none of their D Lineman are close to the talent of Tommie Harris, who almost always demands double teams. The impact of this will be very big. But, we will remain an above average line for sure due to that excellent depth.Alfonso Boone and Ian Scott are the first two DTs off the bench. IIRC, Israel Idonije can play either end or DT. Good thing we have ROY candidate Mark Anderson off the bench at DE and too bad Dusty Dvoracek has missed the year with an injury...

 

[428143]

I'm also hearing on local radio that Tommie is likely out the remainder of the season. They're saying the hammy injury is real bad. first mike brown ... now harris. dangit the bears hopes are falling fast.who's his backup btw?

Luckily, the Bears have some very good depth on their D Line. Of course, none of their D Lineman are close to the talent of Tommie Harris, who almost always demands double teams. The impact of this will be very big. But, we will remain an above average line for sure due to that excellent depth.Alfonso Boone and Ian Scott are the first two DTs off the bench. IIRC, Israel Idonije can play either end or DT. Good thing we have ROY candidate Mark Anderson off the bench at DE and too bad Dusty Dvoracek has missed the year with an injury...

Yeah, Jerry Angelo has done a hell of a job with the Bears D-Line, teams are still going to have a problem running it up the middle, maybe even moreso with the beasts on the bench.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Guess he is not in as good standing with the Lord as was Reggie

White.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

NFL channel just said that Lovie was going to hold him out the rest of the regular season - "the last 4 games of the regular season".

Superbowl hopes are still ok - although I wish he was ok. We have a pretty good DL rotation.

 

[flapgreen]

NFL channel just said that Lovie was going to hold him out the rest of the regular season - "the last 4 games of the regular season".Superbowl hopes are still ok - although I wish he was ok. We have a pretty good DL rotation.

Edited again

 

[-X-]

Boone and Scott will most likely rotate in Harris' place, and they are bigger run-stuffing guys, so it won't hurt as much as you'd think. A bit less QB pressure, though.

 

[Marc Levin]

How will the loss of Harris affect the Bears' ability to pressure QBs?

While the team leads the league in INTs and QB rating against, they don't have an overwhelming number of sacks. Will they still be able to pressure QBs into making bad throws?

 

[PsychoMan]

How will the loss of Harris affect the Bears' ability to pressure QBs?While the team leads the league in INTs and QB rating against, they don't have an overwhelming number of sacks. Will they still be able to pressure QBs into making bad throws?

Tommie was getting double teamed regularly after the first few weeks in the season when he was on a tear. I can't imagine teams will double team his backup from here on out, but on the other hand, they haven't been getting many sacks anyway, so I can't imagine them getting many less ..

 

[Marc Levin]

How will the loss of Harris affect the Bears' ability to pressure QBs?While the team leads the league in INTs and QB rating against, they don't have an overwhelming number of sacks. Will they still be able to pressure QBs into making bad throws?

Tommie was getting double teamed regularly after the first few weeks in the season when he was on a tear. I can't imagine teams will double team his backup from here on out, but on the other hand, they haven't been getting many sacks anyway, so I can't imagine them getting many less ..

Right - but i have the feeling (haven't watched this specifically) that Harris disrupted the middle and required double teams, which would free another pass rusher to hurry the QB. Without that double team, will OLs be able to better defend the pass rush, thereby giving the QB time to make better reads and the WRs time to complete their routes.The Bears were doing an INCREDIBLE job against opposing QBs w/o sacks - lowest QB rating against and most INTs in the league. That had to be from hurrying opposing QBs into dangerous throws and/or throws that the defensive backfield could read and make plays on. They weren't getting to the QB before he threw the ball. They were forcing the QB to make bad throws.In short, the Bears were dictating to QBs when and where they could throw the ball, thereby forcing QBs to do the things that favored the pass defenders. Will that continue if teams don't have to double Harris' replacement?Note that Anderson, Brown, O-Gun and Harris were all in the top-20 in the NFC in sacks, they are all Dlinemen, and Harris was the lowest of the four in sacks - that tells me the OLs' concern with Harris was allowing other DLs one on one matchups to get to the QB.If your front four is that disruptive, you can drop 7 into coverage. Just wondering how you all see the loss of Harris on the Bears' pass D.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

How will the loss of Harris affect the Bears' ability to pressure QBs?While the team leads the league in INTs and QB rating against, they don't have an overwhelming number of sacks. Will they still be able to pressure QBs into making bad throws?

Tommie was getting double teamed regularly after the first few weeks in the season when he was on a tear. I can't imagine teams will double team his backup from here on out, but on the other hand, they haven't been getting many sacks anyway, so I can't imagine them getting many less ..

Right - but i have the feeling (haven't watched this specifically) that Harris disrupted the middle and required double teams, which would free another pass rusher to hurry the QB. Without that double team, will OLs be able to better defend the pass rush, thereby giving the QB time to make better reads and the WRs time to complete their routes.The Bears were doing an INCREDIBLE job against opposing QBs w/o sacks - lowest QB rating against and most INTs in the league. That had to be from hurrying opposing QBs into dangerous throws and/or throws that the defensive backfield could read and make plays on. They weren't getting to the QB before he threw the ball. They were forcing the QB to make bad throws.In short, the Bears were dictating to QBs when and where they could throw the ball, thereby forcing QBs to do the things that favored the pass defenders. Will that continue if teams don't have to double Harris' replacement?Note that Anderson, Brown, O-Gun and Harris were all in the top-20 in the NFC in sacks, they are all Dlinemen, and Harris was the lowest of the four in sacks - that tells me the OLs' concern with Harris was allowing other DLs one on one matchups to get to the QB.If your front four is that disruptive, you can drop 7 into coverage. Just wondering how you all see the loss of Harris on the Bears' pass D.

Don't know. Hope so. There is still a nice rotation in there and Harris should hopefully be ready for the playoffs.

 

[MDSkinner]

How will the loss of Harris affect the Bears' ability to pressure QBs?While the team leads the league in INTs and QB rating against, they don't have an overwhelming number of sacks. Will they still be able to pressure QBs into making bad throws?

Tommie was getting double teamed regularly after the first few weeks in the season when he was on a tear. I can't imagine teams will double team his backup from here on out, but on the other hand, they haven't been getting many sacks anyway, so I can't imagine them getting many less ..

Right - but i have the feeling (haven't watched this specifically) that Harris disrupted the middle and required double teams, which would free another pass rusher to hurry the QB. Without that double team, will OLs be able to better defend the pass rush, thereby giving the QB time to make better reads and the WRs time to complete their routes.The Bears were doing an INCREDIBLE job against opposing QBs w/o sacks - lowest QB rating against and most INTs in the league. That had to be from hurrying opposing QBs into dangerous throws and/or throws that the defensive backfield could read and make plays on. They weren't getting to the QB before he threw the ball. They were forcing the QB to make bad throws.In short, the Bears were dictating to QBs when and where they could throw the ball, thereby forcing QBs to do the things that favored the pass defenders. Will that continue if teams don't have to double Harris' replacement?Note that Anderson, Brown, O-Gun and Harris were all in the top-20 in the NFC in sacks, they are all Dlinemen, and Harris was the lowest of the four in sacks - that tells me the OLs' concern with Harris was allowing other DLs one on one matchups to get to the QB.If your front four is that disruptive, you can drop 7 into coverage. Just wondering how you all see the loss of Harris on the Bears' pass D.

While I think all of these points are valid, I think the impact is actually larger on the run defense of the Bears (which was not spectacular anyway), due to the fact that I believe Tank and Tommie are the primary reason for Urlacher/Briggs being as disruptive as they are. Those guys rarely have to have someone in their face, since people are always worrying about those guys up front. Urlacher will most assuredly be dealing with more blockers from the O-line now than he did prior to this injury.That said, I believe the Bears will still be able to pressure the QB. Even though they do not have a huge number of sacks, Wale and Brown get a pretty good amount of pressure from the outside, and I do not expect that to decrease much. But I could be way off base. My humble opinion (as a Bears fan) is that Tommie is the best defender on the team and that he tends to make everyone around him look better. Hopefully I am wrong. And hopefully he is in fact back for the playoffs.

 

[flapgreen]

It really is finally starting to come together for me. It took a while but I'm starting to get it. It's ESPN. When discussing the Bears, ESPN does absolutely nothing but pick them apart everytime, while building up Dallas to be world beaters. I never see them mention some of the unreal things their defense and special teams has been doing this year. All they ever say is how many rushing yards they've been allowing lately and how bad their qb play has been. Nothing at all about the incredible amount of turnovers they've been forcing each game and how they're ranked #1 in almost every other defensive category besides run defense. Nothing about how few points their defense is allowing even though the qb has continually given the defense a very short field to defend. Nothing about how their running game has improved drastically over the last half of the season.

Earlier in the year, it was how their going to have to get a running game going or they're in trouble. Now, it's shifted to the run defense and qb play. Yet, the Bears were the 1st team to clinch a playoff spot and have the best record in the league. I'm not saying I'm surprised by this because I'm not. I'd lost respect for the NFL guys on ESPN long before this season. I'm just saying I now understand all of the hate on this board for the Bears now. It's coming from the goofs at ESPN. Carry on.

 

[cowboyz]

at least Wilbon believes in you guys, he said the loss of tommy harris would have a 0% chance of hurting the bears

and you also got ditka so i don't know what you're complaining about, while all the afc teams apart from denver have no one to bat for them. dont fault the cowboys because they're america's team with the highest rated games and best stories.

the bears have no offense and a great defense. they stopped talking about the pathetic running game with a yd/carry average at the bottom of the league and middle of the pack total yds, because the qb is even worse, trying hard to give away games. at least the ravens had a mistake free qb in dilfer.

 

[flapgreen]

at least Wilbon believes in you guys, he said the loss of tommy harris would have a 0% chance of hurting the bears

and you also got ditka so i don't know what you're complaining about, while all the afc teams apart from denver have no one to bat for them. dont fault the cowboys because they're america's team with the highest rated games and best stories.

the bears have no offense and a great defense. they stopped talking about the pathetic running game with a yd/carry average at the bottom of the league and middle of the pack total yds, because the qb is even worse, trying hard to give away games. at least the ravens had a mistake free qb in dilfer.

I wasn't faulting the cowboys for anything. They've turned into a pretty good team the last few weeks. Not sure where you got that from.Wilbon is just running his mouth about Harris. Of course losing Harris will hurt some.

LOL @ saying we've got Ditka. You must not be watching the same Ditka I am. He hasn't been high on the Bears at all.

Oh and by the way, the Bears so called "no offense" is 4th in the league in offensive points per game this season.

According to some, we been trying to give away games the whole season. I wonder why we have only managed to do it twice. I guess our opponents like us too much and are allowing us to win some games.

I understand though. You're believing everything ESPN tells you like some of the others around here.

 

[PsychoMan]

at least Wilbon believes in you guys, he said the loss of tommy harris would have a 0% chance of hurting the bears

and you also got ditka so i don't know what you're complaining about, while all the afc teams apart from denver have no one to bat for them. dont fault the cowboys because they're america's team with the highest rated games and best stories.

the bears have no offense and a great defense. they stopped talking about the pathetic running game with a yd/carry average at the bottom of the league and middle of the pack total yds, because the qb is even worse, trying hard to give away games. at least the ravens had a mistake free qb in dilfer.

I wasn't faulting the cowboys for anything. They've turned into a pretty good team the last few weeks. Not sure where you got that from.Wilbon is just running his mouth about Harris. Of course losing Harris will hurt some.

LOL @ saying we've got Ditka. You must not be watching the same Ditka I am. He hasn't been high on the Bears at all.

Oh and by the way, the Bears so called "no offense" is 4th in the league in offensive points per game this season.

According to some, we been trying to give away games the whole season. I wonder why we have only managed to do it twice. I guess our opponents like us too much and are allowing us to win some games.

I understand though. You're believing everything ESPN tells you like some of the others around here.

All valid points.

 

[ericttspikes]

Losing Harris is HUGE, but as mentioned Anderson gets more minutes. I'm excited to see this guy get more time.

None of this matters of course if the Bears trot out a QB who gets a 1.3 rating in the playoffs.

 

[flapgreen]

Losing Harris is HUGE, but as mentioned Anderson gets more minutes. I'm excited to see this guy get more time. None of this matters of course if the Bears trot out a QB who gets a 1.3 rating in the playoffs.

:(

 

[Incogneto]

I went to school with Isreal Idonije in Brandon Manitoba, Canada!

I hope he gets a chance to perform with Harris' injury. He is one of the best guys I have ever met.

 

[cowboyz]

at least Wilbon believes in you guys, he said the loss of tommy harris would have a 0% chance of hurting the bears

and you also got ditka so i don't know what you're complaining about, while all the afc teams apart from denver have no one to bat for them. dont fault the cowboys because they're america's team with the highest rated games and best stories.

the bears have no offense and a great defense. they stopped talking about the pathetic running game with a yd/carry average at the bottom of the league and middle of the pack total yds, because the qb is even worse, trying hard to give away games. at least the ravens had a mistake free qb in dilfer.

I wasn't faulting the cowboys for anything. They've turned into a pretty good team the last few weeks. Not sure where you got that from.Wilbon is just running his mouth about Harris. Of course losing Harris will hurt some.

LOL @ saying we've got Ditka. You must not be watching the same Ditka I am. He hasn't been high on the Bears at all.

Oh and by the way, the Bears so called "no offense" is 4th in the league in offensive points per game this season.

According to some, we been trying to give away games the whole season. I wonder why we have only managed to do it twice. I guess our opponents like us too much and are allowing us to win some games.

I understand though. You're believing everything ESPN tells you like some of the others around here.

You're faulting the cowboys and saying the're overhyped and on ESPN too much. They're on because people care about the cowboys, hate and love. the bears, eh. everyone knows they're going nowhere with their qb. and that's why ditka can't even bring himself to pimp them anymore or else he'd be a bigger homer than Irvin.And that 4th ranked offense scoring includes defensive and special teams tds, but hey you live in bizarro world where the bears are getting disrespected despite their qb with a rating of 72.0. Carry on with your praise of the team while ignoring the elephant in the room.

maybe the reason why they only lost twice is because they play in the worst division in football and have opponents in the nfc west and afc east. where the two good teams they faced in the east were their two losses.

keep eating the cheese, you'll come to your senses when they lose in their 1st game of the playoffs again in a blowout.

Bears fans: -> -> -> -> :X ->

 

[NJ OAK]

Probably w/out Vasher TOO (just this week most likely).

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6249750...13162&ATT=5

 

[BoulderBob]

at least Wilbon believes in you guys, he said the loss of tommy harris would have a 0% chance of hurting the bears

and you also got ditka so i don't know what you're complaining about, while all the afc teams apart from denver have no one to bat for them. dont fault the cowboys because they're america's team with the highest rated games and best stories.

the bears have no offense and a great defense. they stopped talking about the pathetic running game with a yd/carry average at the bottom of the league and middle of the pack total yds, because the qb is even worse, trying hard to give away games. at least the ravens had a mistake free qb in dilfer.

I wasn't faulting the cowboys for anything. They've turned into a pretty good team the last few weeks. Not sure where you got that from.Wilbon is just running his mouth about Harris. Of course losing Harris will hurt some.

LOL @ saying we've got Ditka. You must not be watching the same Ditka I am. He hasn't been high on the Bears at all.

Oh and by the way, the Bears so called "no offense" is 4th in the league in offensive points per game this season.

According to some, we been trying to give away games the whole season. I wonder why we have only managed to do it twice. I guess our opponents like us too much and are allowing us to win some games.

I understand though. You're believing everything ESPN tells you like some of the others around here.

You're faulting the cowboys and saying the're overhyped and on ESPN too much. They're on because people care about the cowboys, hate and love. the bears, eh. everyone knows they're going nowhere with their qb. and that's why ditka can't even bring himself to pimp them anymore or else he'd be a bigger homer than Irvin.And that 4th ranked offense scoring includes defensive and special teams tds, but hey you live in bizarro world where the bears are getting disrespected despite their qb with a rating of 72.0. Carry on with your praise of the team while ignoring the elephant in the room.

maybe the reason why they only lost twice is because they play in the worst division in football and have opponents in the nfc west and afc east. where the two good teams they faced in the east were their two losses.

keep eating the cheese, you'll come to your senses when they lose in their 1st game of the playoffs again in a blowout.

Bears fans: -> -> -> -> :X ->

IS that you Terrell?

 

[flapgreen]

at least Wilbon believes in you guys, he said the loss of tommy harris would have a 0% chance of hurting the bears

and you also got ditka so i don't know what you're complaining about, while all the afc teams apart from denver have no one to bat for them. dont fault the cowboys because they're america's team with the highest rated games and best stories.

the bears have no offense and a great defense. they stopped talking about the pathetic running game with a yd/carry average at the bottom of the league and middle of the pack total yds, because the qb is even worse, trying hard to give away games. at least the ravens had a mistake free qb in dilfer.

I wasn't faulting the cowboys for anything. They've turned into a pretty good team the last few weeks. Not sure where you got that from.Wilbon is just running his mouth about Harris. Of course losing Harris will hurt some.

LOL @ saying we've got Ditka. You must not be watching the same Ditka I am. He hasn't been high on the Bears at all.

Oh and by the way, the Bears so called "no offense" is 4th in the league in offensive points per game this season.

According to some, we been trying to give away games the whole season. I wonder why we have only managed to do it twice. I guess our opponents like us too much and are allowing us to win some games.

I understand though. You're believing everything ESPN tells you like some of the others around here.

You're faulting the cowboys and saying the're overhyped and on ESPN too much. They're on because people care about the cowboys, hate and love. the bears, eh. everyone knows they're going nowhere with their qb. and that's why ditka can't even bring himself to pimp them anymore or else he'd be a bigger homer than Irvin.And that 4th ranked offense scoring includes defensive and special teams tds, but hey you live in bizarro world where the bears are getting disrespected despite their qb with a rating of 72.0. Carry on with your praise of the team while ignoring the elephant in the room.

maybe the reason why they only lost twice is because they play in the worst division in football and have opponents in the nfc west and afc east. where the two good teams they faced in the east were their two losses.

keep eating the cheese, you'll come to your senses when they lose in their 1st game of the playoffs again in a blowout.

Bears fans: -> -> -> -> :X ->

Here's an interesting stat for you. The Bears have played 3 opponents with winning records. The Cowboys have played 2. Bears opponents combined record=64/80. Cowboys opponents combined record=64/80. Sorry buddy. Your lame strength of schedule argument isn't going to work here. But I guess you can try and spin it a different way if you like. The Bears still have 2 more wins with a very similar schedule. And I'M the one living in a bizarro world?

By the way, the Bears and Cowboys also have the same amount of defensive tds this year(3).

YOU need to keep eating the cheese and come back with something better than that.

If you would pay more attention, you would've noticed I was hating on ESPN, not the cowboys. They have no control over what the media says. They're a good team and have done well to recover from the rough start. But go ahead and keep hating on the Bears. It is, of course, the fashionable thing to do this season.

 

[Marc Levin]

How will the loss of Harris affect the Bears' ability to pressure QBs?While the team leads the league in INTs and QB rating against, they don't have an overwhelming number of sacks. Will they still be able to pressure QBs into making bad throws?

Tommie was getting double teamed regularly after the first few weeks in the season when he was on a tear. I can't imagine teams will double team his backup from here on out, but on the other hand, they haven't been getting many sacks anyway, so I can't imagine them getting many less ..

Right - but i have the feeling (haven't watched this specifically) that Harris disrupted the middle and required double teams, which would free another pass rusher to hurry the QB. Without that double team, will OLs be able to better defend the pass rush, thereby giving the QB time to make better reads and the WRs time to complete their routes.The Bears were doing an INCREDIBLE job against opposing QBs w/o sacks - lowest QB rating against and most INTs in the league. That had to be from hurrying opposing QBs into dangerous throws and/or throws that the defensive backfield could read and make plays on. They weren't getting to the QB before he threw the ball. They were forcing the QB to make bad throws.In short, the Bears were dictating to QBs when and where they could throw the ball, thereby forcing QBs to do the things that favored the pass defenders. Will that continue if teams don't have to double Harris' replacement?Note that Anderson, Brown, O-Gun and Harris were all in the top-20 in the NFC in sacks, they are all Dlinemen, and Harris was the lowest of the four in sacks - that tells me the OLs' concern with Harris was allowing other DLs one on one matchups to get to the QB.If your front four is that disruptive, you can drop 7 into coverage. Just wondering how you all see the loss of Harris on the Bears' pass D.

While I think all of these points are valid, I think the impact is actually larger on the run defense of the Bears (which was not spectacular anyway), due to the fact that I believe Tank and Tommie are the primary reason for Urlacher/Briggs being as disruptive as they are. Those guys rarely have to have someone in their face, since people are always worrying about those guys up front. Urlacher will most assuredly be dealing with more blockers from the O-line now than he did prior to this injury.That said, I believe the Bears will still be able to pressure the QB. Even though they do not have a huge number of sacks, Wale and Brown get a pretty good amount of pressure from the outside, and I do not expect that to decrease much. But I could be way off base. My humble opinion (as a Bears fan) is that Tommie is the best defender on the team and that he tends to make everyone around him look better. Hopefully I am wrong. And hopefully he is in fact back for the playoffs.

'phins went through that same about a decade ago whenever Tim Bowens would get his annual injuries. Defenders were able to get to Zach Thomas.The run D didn't suffer and Zach's tackles leapt up, but Zach's pass defense suffered and the pass rush was definitely hurt without their Pro Bowl DT..

 

[Marc Levin]

You're faulting the cowboys and saying the're overhyped and on ESPN too much.

No he didn't.His only comment on the Cowqboys is right here:

When discussing the Bears, ESPN does absolutely nothing but pick them apart everytime, while building up Dallas to be world beaters.

You inferred a LOT from that one line. And you are getting WAY bent out of shape - in a Bears injury thread no less - when Bears fans defend their team.I think you can guess who I see as more out of line here, right?