Chicago Has Its Very Own Gitmo (1 Viewer)

[Jack White]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

Can't wait to hear the state- and cop-lovers defend this.

 

[Insein]

Pretty f'd up if true.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Racist to call it the "black site" IMO.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

JFC

 

[urbanhack]

waiting for a call back from my buddy, who's a chicago cop, to see what he says about this.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Not surprising really. One party states often move towards totalitarianism.

 

[urbanhack]

this story is bull####. the building exists, but it's off the radar because under cover units report out of that building and take certain suspects there for initial questioning and processing. Suspects they have been monitoring for a significant period of time. I emailed him the story on Tuesday and he laughed and told me he works out of that building a few times a week. He handles the IT and technical components of stakeouts and undercover units.

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[saintfool]

this story is bull####. the building exists, but it's off the radar because under cover units report out of that building and take certain suspects there for initial questioning and processing. Suspects they have been monitoring for a significant period of time. I emailed him the story on Tuesday and he laughed and told me he works out of that building a few times a week. He handles the IT and technical components of stakeouts and undercover units.

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they interviewed the Guardian writer the other day. he admitted to misrepresenting the building as a "black site". it's a restricted site, for sure, but authortized personal (attorneys, cops, city srvices, etc) can go there. how secret is it if you can do "show-and-tell" broadcasts as a reporter there after drug busts?

is it a ####ty place because they apparently deny your rights to counsel and the like? totally.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

is it a ####ty place because they apparently deny your rights to counsel and the like? totally.

And that would be the issue.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

Can't wait to hear the state- and cop-lovers defend this.

“It’s sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place – if you can’t find a client in the system, odds are they’re there,” said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes.

Chicago civil-rights attorney Flint Taylor said Homan Square represented a routinization of a notorious practice in local police work that violates the fifth and sixth amendments of the constitution.

Uh... and nobody has sued????

 

[saintfool]

is it a ####ty place because they apparently deny your rights to counsel and the like? totally.

And that would be the issue.

meh, losing or hiding you in the system is awful but it's a far cry from the enhanced interrogation in black sites operated by the CIA. Chicago did *that* for years with police commander Jon Burge and his crew. it would be unlikely to repeat that mistake again at that level.

 

[jon_mx]

I have a buddy that says this is where Obama tortures people who violate Sharia law.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

is it a ####ty place because they apparently deny your rights to counsel and the like? totally.

And that would be the issue.

meh, losing or hiding you in the system is awful but it's a far cry from the enhanced interrogation in black sites operated by the CIA. Chicago did *that* for years with police commander Jon Burge and his crew. it would be unlikely to repeat that mistake again at that level.

If somebody is intentionally "lost" in the system at a place where his lawyers can't reach him, it isn't a stretch to think he could be mistreated as well. Probably not waterboarded or kept in a box for days, no. But there is room for abuse. Given the history of the Chicago PD, I don't think it should get any benefit of the doubt on something like this.

And depriving somebody of their constitutional rights intentionally is never a "meh", especially when it is done systematically and semi-officially.

 

[pantagrapher]

The entire story is based on a few lawyers, a couple NATO protesters, and an admitted drug dealer. The accusations have been way overblown. Ackerman did very sloppy work here, and has pretty much ignored all the critiques of his original report, which has pretty much fallen apart.

 

[McGarnicle]

Meh. Don't break the law and you won't get beaten up by the cops in a dark room and forced to live in your own feces until you confess. Cry me a river.

 

[pantagrapher]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

Can't wait to hear the state- and cop-lovers defend this.

“It’s sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place – if you can’t find a client in the system, odds are they’re there,” said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes.

Chicago civil-rights attorney Flint Taylor said Homan Square represented a routinization of a notorious practice in local police work that violates the fifth and sixth amendments of the constitution.

Uh... and nobody has sued????

That's just one of the many fishy things about this story. Also fishy is the fact that THIS IS NOT A SECRET POLICE FACILITY.

 

[rockaction]

Uh, before we celebrate too much, let's not forget Spencer Ackerman's political disposition. He's an INFOWARS lefty guy that loves to throw perceived racists through windows (his desire, his phrase) was on Journolist, IIRC, and blah blah blah.

No surprise here that this story might be fake. And that it's in the Guardian. First thing I thought was, "possible, likely fake."

 

[pantagrapher]

Uh, before we celebrate too much, let's not forget Spencer Ackerman's political disposition. He's an INFOWARS lefty guy that loves to throw perceived racists through windows (his desire, his phrase) was on Journolist, IIRC, and blah blah blah.

No surprise here that this story might be fake. And that it's in the Guardian. First thing I thought was, "possible, likely fake."

The first thing he did when people pointed out the flaws in the story was go out and find people to call for an investigation. Next day, his headline was "Former Justice Department Officials Call for Investigation..." even though it's clear from the context of the story these people were merely responding to the question "Hey I found a secret Guantanamo torture warehouse in Chicago; should there be an investigation?"

 

[saintfool]

If somebody is intentionally "lost" in the system at a place where his lawyers can't reach him, it isn't a stretch to think he could be mistreated as well. Probably not waterboarded or kept in a box for days, no. But there is room for abuse. Given the history of the Chicago PD, I don't think it should get any benefit of the doubt on something like this.

And depriving somebody of their constitutional rights intentionally is never a "meh", especially when it is done systematically and semi-officially.

if "losing" people in the system were unique to this site - much less CPD - then i'd have more sympathy. i'm going to hazard a guess that it's not though. i'm jaded enough by CPD misconduct that this doesn't raise my ire as much as it might have in the past.

 

[Clifford]

is it a ####ty place because they apparently deny your rights to counsel and the like? totally.

And that would be the issue.

A gigantic, huge, paramount issue that immediately needs to be dealt with and stopped, and everyone who broke the law needs to be arrested and tried. I am pretty ####### fed up with cops bending the law whenever they feel like it makes their job easier and the corrupt judges who allow #### like this.

 

[pantagrapher]

If somebody is intentionally "lost" in the system at a place where his lawyers can't reach him, it isn't a stretch to think he could be mistreated as well. Probably not waterboarded or kept in a box for days, no. But there is room for abuse. Given the history of the Chicago PD, I don't think it should get any benefit of the doubt on something like this.

And depriving somebody of their constitutional rights intentionally is never a "meh", especially when it is done systematically and semi-officially.

if "losing" people in the system were unique to this site - much less CPD - then i'd have more sympathy. i'm going to hazard a guess that it's not though. i'm jaded enough by CPD misconduct that this doesn't raise my ire as much as it might have in the past.

First thing I thought was that the stuff being alleged about this place could probably be said of any precinct building in any large urban area in the country.

 

[tri-man 47]

Racist to call it the "black site" IMO.

I consider it white/gold.

 

[rockaction]

Uh, before we celebrate too much, let's not forget Spencer Ackerman's political disposition. He's an INFOWARS lefty guy that loves to throw perceived racists through windows (his desire, his phrase) was on Journolist, IIRC, and blah blah blah.

No surprise here that this story might be fake. And that it's in the Guardian. First thing I thought was, "possible, likely fake."

The first thing he did when people pointed out the flaws in the story was go out and find people to call for an investigation. Next day, his headline was "Former Justice Department Officials Call for Investigation..." even though it's clear from the context of the story these people were merely responding to the question "Hey I found a secret Guantanamo torture warehouse in Chicago; should there be an investigation?"

There have been problems with him going way back. He wrote for Wired, seemed to do a credible job for them, and I thought he was over his stuff. It's too bad to hear this story is a fake and about his subsequent behavior, if it is indeed fake (I don't really want to get too invested in it).

 

[saintfool]

If somebody is intentionally "lost" in the system at a place where his lawyers can't reach him, it isn't a stretch to think he could be mistreated as well. Probably not waterboarded or kept in a box for days, no. But there is room for abuse. Given the history of the Chicago PD, I don't think it should get any benefit of the doubt on something like this.

And depriving somebody of their constitutional rights intentionally is never a "meh", especially when it is done systematically and semi-officially.

if "losing" people in the system were unique to this site - much less CPD - then i'd have more sympathy. i'm going to hazard a guess that it's not though. i'm jaded enough by CPD misconduct that this doesn't raise my ire as much as it might have in the past.

First thing I thought was that the stuff being alleged about this place could probably be said of any precinct building in any large urban area in the country.

it's a sign of the times that my sense of outrage over civil liberties being violated is muted because we can't seem to convict a cop for "excessive force" resulting in the death of a someone.

 

[Christo]

Jack White is wrong? You're kidding!

 

[jon_mx]

I have a buddy that says this is where Obama tortures people who violate Sharia law.

I should have stinkied that up a bit more.