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Chris Henry flying to Cincy to sign (1 Viewer)

We've all hit rock bottom in life and it seems Henry has too. The guy is on his last shot in the league & probably life. The guy is by all accounts broke right now. Outside football, this guy would be lucky to work at McDonald's. Maybe the light will click on. If not, a tough road lies ahead for the rest of his life.

I agree with the Bengals on the move. If he F's up, his football career is over. The guy has Pro Bowl type talent. If anyone is going to realize that talent, why shouldn't it be the team that's stuck with him through the tough times.

 
I agree with the Bengals on the move. If he F's up, his football career is over. The guy has Pro Bowl type talent. If anyone is going to realize that talent, why shouldn't it be the team that's stuck with him through the tough times.
The Bengals are free to run their team any way they want. If it were my team, and I had given this guy as many chances as they have, I would be done with him. Pro Bowl talent or no, he gives the organization a bad name.If I were Marvin Lewis I would be disgusted the team went against my wishes in favor of a drugged-out thug.
 
If the boy can play, I don't give a #### what any other biased, rediculous know-it-all has to say about him. Football is a dirty, gritty, nasty sport filled with modern day goliaths and gladiators. It's not a Miss America contest. I hope the Bengals hire more criminals, fill the ####### team with criminals if it will help win football games. I truly don't give a ####. I hope he has a great year.
There's definitely something to this. I think it's much more of a complex issue than we make it out to be in the media-heightened 21st century.I've noticed this attitude in football, baseball, and basketball. Players aren't any worse behaved now than they've been throughout the history of the sport (and, for the most part, are better behaved), but we expect a swifter and harsher punishment for stepping out of line these days. For comparison's sake, check out Ernie Holmes' history vs. Chris Henry. Would you rather have a guy who gets into a couple of fights and a few traffic scrapes, or a guy who takes his rifle out and starts shooting truckers going down the highway before ultimately shooting a police officer in a helicopter? Wonder what his punishment was? One of the reasons why it's a complex issue for me is that I appreciate the relatively hard line that Goodell is taking. He's clearly made it a focus of his commissionership to address the issue of crime and image. I like that. But what I don't like are the knee-jerk, holier-than-thou reactions from media and fans about what a football player should be. I'm all for the punishment handed down by the league, but once that punishment is up, I'm all for another chance . . . because, after all, they're football players. To paraphrase Bill Parcels, Johnny Unitas, and countless football execs: that's ingrained in football. The players that come from poor, violent backgrounds that have to scrape to get where they are out of desperation are going to be better football players. It's the nature of the sport. I'm not expecting choir boys.
You're comparing Ernie Holmes to Chris Henry? :lmao:
In the offseason preceding the 1973 season, Holmes had an emotional breakdown while driving on the Ohio Turnpike and fired shots at a police helicopter that was pursuing him in the course of a chase.
Chris Henry is many things, but he's not criminally insane. He's a thug, and he enjoys being a thug, and I think he'll pretty much always be a thug, with perhaps a short enough vacation (maybe? this time?) from being a thug to actually have a football career. He's not Ernie Holmes. When you apologize for guys like this you're insulting the other 99% of the league that doesn't use the violence of the game or the fact that mommy never loved them to excuse acting like a thug.
I'm not making apologies for Henry at all, so there's no reason for the 99% hyperbole and mock outrage about "the rest of the guys in the league" (because the rest of the guys in the league ain't so sanitized themselves). He's a criminal. He's also a football player. Throughout the history of football, the two have been intertwined. If the commissioner is giving him another chance to play football, then I'm OK with him playing football again.What's so funny about the comparison to Ernie Holmes? What Holmes did is doubtlessly worse, insane or no. Take a poll of police officers and ask if they'd rather see a guy who shot an officer get a second chance vs. a guy who keeps getting in trouble for fights and pot.
 
What's so funny about the comparison to Ernie Holmes? What Holmes did is doubtlessly worse, insane or no. Take a poll of police officers and ask if they'd rather see a guy who shot an officer get a second chance vs. a guy who keeps getting in trouble for fights and pot.
There is a huge difference. Someone suffering from an emotional break cannot distinguish between right and wrong. In the case of Holme he was suffering from delusions and it took medication to get him straightened out (more or less). In Henry's case he knows full well what is right and what is wrong -- he just doesn't care. He's had plenty of chances but continually does the wrong thing. Hopefully he's finally learned his lesson and gotten himself straightened out. I doubt it though...
 
TitusIII said:
It really isn't fair to the fans of the Bengals...they deserve better than this...

Mike Brown should be forced to sell the damned team...
So this is really about what is fair to the fans, and what the fans deserve? Sounds like a knee jerk reaction. A lot like cutting him was, afterall, he was innocent of them charges.

At least they aren't afraid to do something un-popular just because it isn't fair to a bunch of cry-baby fans.
:wrong:
January 25, 2007: Henry plead guilty to charges of providing alcohol to minors, an incident that occurred at a hotel in the spring in 2006. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail, with all but two of those days being suspended.[18]

April 10, 2007: Henry was suspended for the first eight games of the 2007 NFL season for violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.[10] His suspension comes with a stern warning that future misconduct may result in the end of his career with the NFL. Henry was given permission by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to begin practicing fully.[19] His suspension was lifted and he played in the November 11, 2007 game versus the Baltimore Ravens, amassing 4 catches for 99 yards.

May 18, 2007: It was reported by the Cincinnati Enquirer that Henry allegedly failed a court-mandated drug test. The report showed that he had taken an opiate, but the result was later proven to be false. The failed drug test would have been the third violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy. A third violation, per league rules, results in a one-year suspension. In addition to having his suspension increased to 24 games, he would have had to serve an 88 day jail sentence.[20] As of May 23, 2007, the State of Kentucky has reported that Henry in fact did NOT fail a drug test, and that earlier reports to the contrary are erroneous.

June 12, 2007: Henry allegedly assaulted a 16-year-old boy with teammate Reggie McNeal. The claims were later reported to be unfounded[21] and Henry and McNeal have been exonerated.

November 6, 2007: Henry allegedly assaulted a valet attendant at Newport on the Levee.[22]

December 3, 2007: Henry arrested for the second time in Orlando, Florida for violating his probation he was on from a January 30, 2006 arrest. On February 21, 2008 he was found not guilty. On February 26, 2008, a motion to terminate probation in Orange County, Florida was denied.

March 31, 2008: Henry was alleged to have punched a man named Gregory Meyer, 18, and thrown a beer bottle through the window of his car. Henry claimed it was a case of mistaken identity and also that he thought it was somebody else that owed him money.[23] Henry was waived by the Bengals a day after this arrest and was then forced to serve a house arrest sentence.
Innocent men don't serve house arrest sentences. Regardless, being convicted by a court of law is not a requirement for a player to be subjected to the NFL's personal conduct policy - or the team's.
 
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What's so funny about the comparison to Ernie Holmes? What Holmes did is doubtlessly worse, insane or no. Take a poll of police officers and ask if they'd rather see a guy who shot an officer get a second chance vs. a guy who keeps getting in trouble for fights and pot.
There is a huge difference. Someone suffering from an emotional break cannot distinguish between right and wrong. In the case of Holme he was suffering from delusions and it took medication to get him straightened out (more or less). In Henry's case he knows full well what is right and what is wrong -- he just doesn't care. He's had plenty of chances but continually does the wrong thing. Hopefully he's finally learned his lesson and gotten himself straightened out. I doubt it though...
And who is (was) more dangerous to the rest of society, Ernie Holmes or Chris Henry? To me, that's the most important question. Insane or no, Holmes shot at multiple vehicles driving down the highway, and then shot at police officers. Who's to say something like that will or won't happen again? Is this strictly about punishment? Image? Fairness? Justice? What are the factors at play here?
 
If Leonard Little can still play football, then I don't see a problem with Henry getting another chance.

 
And who is (was) more dangerous to the rest of society, Ernie Holmes or Chris Henry? To me, that's the most important question. Insane or no, Holmes shot at multiple vehicles driving down the highway, and then shot at police officers. Who's to say something like that will or won't happen again? Is this strictly about punishment? Image? Fairness? Justice? What are the factors at play here?
I am looking at this from the standpoint of being an employer. I would be more apt to give a second chance to a guy that had a mental breakdown, was receiving treatment and committed no more offenses than I would give a fifth chance to a guy that repeatedly gets in trouble because he thinks he is above the law.
 
I definitely don't see myself as high and mighty or morally superior, so I don't think I have anything to "get over" about myself but we clearly draw the line of what sort of behavior is acceptable for the opportunity to get paid millions to play a game and represent an NFL franchise.
The line wasn't very clear with #56 if I recall.-QG
 
This makes no sense to me.

Mike Brown goes out and proclaims we're done with Chris Henry

Drafts 3 WR b/c he doesn't have a 3wr and Chad might sit out

Sign Utect (message to all don't need 3Wr, we'll use the TE)

Chad at Camp.

Henry is aquitted and signed by Bengals??

Now we have CJ, TJ, Henry, Simpson, Caldwell, Urrutia 2 others that could make the team ?

And we still have a defense that can't tackle or pressure the qb.

great job Mike Brown for once again changing your mind and screwing up our personel decisions. Its obvious that Marvin didn't want Henry back from the press conference yesterday. Looks like Mike is trying to be his dad once again and thinks he can actually be a GM.

 
This makes no sense to me.Mike Brown goes out and proclaims we're done with Chris HenryDrafts 3 WR b/c he doesn't have a 3wr and Chad might sit outSign Utect (message to all don't need 3Wr, we'll use the TE)Chad at Camp.Henry is aquitted and signed by Bengals??Now we have CJ, TJ, Henry, Simpson, Caldwell, Urrutia 2 others that could make the team ?And we still have a defense that can't tackle or pressure the qb.great job Mike Brown for once again changing your mind and screwing up our personel decisions. Its obvious that Marvin didn't want Henry back from the press conference yesterday. Looks like Mike is trying to be his dad once again and thinks he can actually be a GM.
:hey: On the other hand, the Bengals can always cut Henry at any time. If Utect works out and the rookies look good during the first 4 weeks of the season they can release Henry.The only thing it cost Brown was his reputation and he's made it pretty clear he doesn't give a crap about people think.
 
This just goes to show why the Bungles are a joke now and have been for many moons. They finally do something right by cutting Henry, then go wait...let's screw this up and get back to Bungle football! :yes:

Pathetic

 
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Do you honestly think that the argument is as credible about Henry turning over the proverbial new leaf in Cincy as it is in any other NFL city? I sure don't.
If he hasn't gotten in trouble today, what makes you so sure he will tomorrow?
With Henry, the day ain't over yet, and it's amusing that you only think he needs to get through "tomorrow" for his return to be a success. Regardless, I have a whole pile of yesterdays to point to. Isn't your question more aptly worded, "What makes you so sure he'll hold it together this season when he hasn't in any prior season?"
I'm not saying, what has to happen for it to be a success. The only way it is a success is if the Bengals win. I'm just saying that I'm not going to judge somebody for something they haven't done yet.
 
It really isn't fair to the fans of the Bengals...they deserve better than this...

Mike Brown should be forced to sell the damned team...
So this is really about what is fair to the fans, and what the fans deserve? Sounds like a knee jerk reaction. A lot like cutting him was, afterall, he was innocent of them charges.

At least they aren't afraid to do something un-popular just because it isn't fair to a bunch of cry-baby fans.
:wrong:
January 25, 2007: Henry plead guilty to charges of providing alcohol to minors, an incident that occurred at a hotel in the spring in 2006. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail, with all but two of those days being suspended.[18]

April 10, 2007: Henry was suspended for the first eight games of the 2007 NFL season for violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.[10] His suspension comes with a stern warning that future misconduct may result in the end of his career with the NFL. Henry was given permission by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to begin practicing fully.[19] His suspension was lifted and he played in the November 11, 2007 game versus the Baltimore Ravens, amassing 4 catches for 99 yards.

May 18, 2007: It was reported by the Cincinnati Enquirer that Henry allegedly failed a court-mandated drug test. The report showed that he had taken an opiate, but the result was later proven to be false. The failed drug test would have been the third violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy. A third violation, per league rules, results in a one-year suspension. In addition to having his suspension increased to 24 games, he would have had to serve an 88 day jail sentence.[20] As of May 23, 2007, the State of Kentucky has reported that Henry in fact did NOT fail a drug test, and that earlier reports to the contrary are erroneous.

June 12, 2007: Henry allegedly assaulted a 16-year-old boy with teammate Reggie McNeal. The claims were later reported to be unfounded[21] and Henry and McNeal have been exonerated.

November 6, 2007: Henry allegedly assaulted a valet attendant at Newport on the Levee.[22]

December 3, 2007: Henry arrested for the second time in Orlando, Florida for violating his probation he was on from a January 30, 2006 arrest. On February 21, 2008 he was found not guilty. On February 26, 2008, a motion to terminate probation in Orange County, Florida was denied.

March 31, 2008: Henry was alleged to have punched a man named Gregory Meyer, 18, and thrown a beer bottle through the window of his car. Henry claimed it was a case of mistaken identity and also that he thought it was somebody else that owed him money.[23] Henry was waived by the Bengals a day after this arrest and was then forced to serve a house arrest sentence.
Innocent men don't serve house arrest sentences. Regardless, being convicted by a court of law is not a requirement for a player to be subjected to the NFL's personal conduct policy - or the team's.
I was only saying he was innocent of the criminal charges..I wasn't speaking to the personal conduct policy....also, the sarcasm and bad grammar should have been a sign you didn't need to get your panties all bunched up.
 
This makes no sense to me.Mike Brown goes out and proclaims we're done with Chris HenryDrafts 3 WR b/c he doesn't have a 3wr and Chad might sit outSign Utect (message to all don't need 3Wr, we'll use the TE)Chad at Camp.Henry is aquitted and signed by Bengals??Now we have CJ, TJ, Henry, Simpson, Caldwell, Urrutia 2 others that could make the team ?And we still have a defense that can't tackle or pressure the qb.great job Mike Brown for once again changing your mind and screwing up our personel decisions. Its obvious that Marvin didn't want Henry back from the press conference yesterday. Looks like Mike is trying to be his dad once again and thinks he can actually be a GM.
For those that think he was found innocent or acquitted, you're kind of wrong. It may be semantic but there's a difference between being found innocent and having charges dropped due to an inability to prosecute. There was a mistrial (I believe it was a hung jury, ie half thought he was guilty) in the first trial and the judge ruled against the prosecution on some procedural stuff, therefore they felt they couldn't effectively prosecute and dropped the case. It's nowhere near as definitive as being found innocent or being acquitted. There's still plenty of doubt about his innocence in the matter but the trial rules worked in his favor for this one. I know blah blah innocent until proven guilty blah blah but a guy with a rap sheet as long as his gave up benefit of the doubt after his 3rd or 4th arrest. As for the Bengals, absolutely trash move after all their blustering about doing what's right for the team when they cut him and doubly so for making Lewis look like a company stooge. His quote was basically "my hands are tied, this is what my boss is making me do so I'm doing it". I wouldn't listen to anything Brown ever says again and if I were a reporter in the room, every time he made a statement I'd ask if it was true or just another Chris Henry BS statement.
 
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Do you honestly think that the argument is as credible about Henry turning over the proverbial new leaf in Cincy as it is in any other NFL city? I sure don't.
If he hasn't gotten in trouble today, what makes you so sure he will tomorrow?
With Henry, the day ain't over yet, and it's amusing that you only think he needs to get through "tomorrow" for his return to be a success. Regardless, I have a whole pile of yesterdays to point to. Isn't your question more aptly worded, "What makes you so sure he'll hold it together this season when he hasn't in any prior season?"
I'm not saying, what has to happen for it to be a success. The only way it is a success is if the Bengals win. I'm just saying that I'm not going to judge somebody for something they haven't done yet.
With Chris Henry, you don't have to! :goodposting: GB the football version of battered womens syndrome.

 
Do you honestly think that the argument is as credible about Henry turning over the proverbial new leaf in Cincy as it is in any other NFL city? I sure don't.
If he hasn't gotten in trouble today, what makes you so sure he will tomorrow?
With Henry, the day ain't over yet, and it's amusing that you only think he needs to get through "tomorrow" for his return to be a success. Regardless, I have a whole pile of yesterdays to point to. Isn't your question more aptly worded, "What makes you so sure he'll hold it together this season when he hasn't in any prior season?"
I'm not saying, what has to happen for it to be a success. The only way it is a success is if the Bengals win. I'm just saying that I'm not going to judge somebody for something they haven't done yet.
With Chris Henry, you don't have to! :thumbup: GB the football version of battered womens syndrome.
That is an amusing analagy, but I'm not sure what you are saying about Chris Henry. What should he still be facing judgement for?
 
This makes no sense to me.

Mike Brown goes out and proclaims we're done with Chris Henry

Drafts 3 WR b/c he doesn't have a 3wr and Chad might sit out

Sign Utect (message to all don't need 3Wr, we'll use the TE)

Chad at Camp.

Henry is aquitted and signed by Bengals??

Now we have CJ, TJ, Henry, Simpson, Caldwell, Urrutia 2 others that could make the team ?

And we still have a defense that can't tackle or pressure the qb.

great job Mike Brown for once again changing your mind and screwing up our personel decisions. Its obvious that Marvin didn't want Henry back from the press conference yesterday. Looks like Mike is trying to be his dad once again and thinks he can actually be a GM.
:thumbup: Typical Bengals. More concerned about their 3rd WR than building a defense with a backbone. The Bengals will be soft again this year -- it's their M.O. They devote so many resources and misplaced priorities to the offense while the defense continues to roll over for opponents week after week, year after year, decade after decade.

 
I'd be peeved if I flipped burgers for a living and they hired this guy back after his fifth screw up. I wouldn't care if he was the best burger flipper at the restaurant and would make us more money. I'm all for giving second chances but there has to be a cutoff at some point. I guess the Bengals cutoff point is more than five chances.

 
every player has value
Just like every night has its dawn.
to me it is no different then fantasy football.......Henry is on the waiver wire and I think he can help my team.....sure maybe he has burned me in the past, but he can help my team win now....the past really doesn't matter......as a fantasy owner I am not going to pass on a guy just because he has questionable charcter and watch him play on another team and help them win.....does that say something about me....maybe.....but so does the trophy at the end of the year....let's say Henry is a difference maker, which we have seen he can be when on the field.....do you really think Bengal fans would rather lose without Henry than win with him......( ;) I know, assuming they win)

 
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Cincinnati.com

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...COL03/308190063

Doc: Steep price to pay for Henry

Chris Henry arrived today, his latest last chance grinning grotesquely, like a smile in a funhouse mirror. The Bengals have him back and they think it’s great. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us five times. . .

Choose your explanation: The team needed a wideout to stretch the field, after Chad Johnson went down Sunday. Henry is on a short leash, making next to nothing on a one-year deal. Everyone deserves a sixth chance. Mike The Redeemer wanted Henry here, so here he is.

The Bengals re-acquired a capable wide receiver. All it cost them was their soul.

The head coach got trumped by an owner with a forgiving heart and a poor track record for assembling football teams. Marvin Lewis might coach the Bengals. He doesn’t run them.

“Not interested," Lewis said a week ago, after Henry’s agent said he’d had talks with the team regarding his client. Lewis’ terse response came without qualifier. He didn’t say “Not interested, unless Chad messes up his shoulder." He didn’t say, “Not interested, unless the owner says we are and cuts my legs off to bring back a guy as reliable as a 1979 Chevette." Nope. Marvin was not interested.

Only now, he is. He’ll have to coach a guy he openly and forcefully didn’t want. He has to deal with a locker room that knows who’s boss, and it ain’t Coach. You could argue this sort of tug happens all over the league, and you’d be right. But it doesn’t generally occur with a player who has been suspended for 15 games of his 50-game NFL career, not including the first four this year.

The internal talks about Henry were taking place before Johnson sprained his shoulder, so Lewis knew how Brown felt about things. Maybe the coach tried a power play and lost. Regardless, Lewis has to coach a player he has no use for and manage a locker room wondering who the sheriff is.

This isn’t about Chris Henry, per se. Maybe he’s a new man. Maybe he’s running for tenor in the Vienna Boys Choir. Good for him. Everyone has a right to make a living.

This is about how forlorn a franchise the Bengals continue to be. It’s about an owner who hasn’t presided over a playoff victory in 17 years. Mike Brown has put on the line whatever dignity and credibility his franchise has, for a good-not-great player who has been suspended almost as often as not.

Didn’t the Bengals draft wideouts in the second and third rounds? Didn’t they take three in eight rounds? Oops.

Their credibility on the “character" issue? Zero.

Their stated desire to have “good people’’ on their roster? Fraudulent.

Their record this year with Henry, as opposed to without him? Remains to be seen. Educated guess: He won’t be the difference in more than a game. The Bengals have issues at center, issues with the pass rush, concerns with the cover abilities of their corners, wonders about the health of Rudi Johnson.

Solution: Bring back Chris Henry.

Mike Brown has a genuine interest in Henry’s well-being. The owner has a jelly spot within him for the miscreants he has hired, all the way back to Stanley Wilson. It’s not wrong or naïve to appreciate Brown’s Father Flanagan side. He is a decent man.

Not that it helps him succeed in business. If you’re going to run your team like a halfway house, if you elect to practice social work without a license, you might want to win more than you lose, occasionally.

Even if you’re a bottom-line Bengals fan whose outrage is limited to losses to the Cleveland Browns, you will acknowledge that adding Chris Henry for 12 games doesn’t mean the playoffs are up next. Successful teams have players they can rely on, players who can rely on each other. Then there are the Bengals, whose owner enables irresponsibility in the name of stretching the field.

“His conduct can no longer be tolerated," was Brown’s response in April, after Henry was arrested a fifth time. Charges eventually were dropped, apparently causing the owner’s heart to flutter. What is different about the player now is anybody’s guess.

We’re about to find out. Not that it matters. It’d be nice if the Bengals stood for something, other than losing.
 
It's pretty obvious that if he screws up again, he's out of football. If he does, then not only do the Bengals not have him, but nobody in the NFL does. If he somehow does keep his nose clean and straightens up, then they have a very talented Wr that they are paying next to nothing for. The Bengals get ragged on anyway. The fellow players in the locker room like Henry. All the Bengals have to lose is their reputation, and it really isn't very solid as it is. If Henry were to be able to help the team get wins, then so be it. If he were to have straightened up and went to another team in the division kicking the Bengals' ###, it would suck much worse than him screwing up one more time to where we have to cut him ending his career for good.

 
It's pretty obvious that if he screws up again, he's out of football. If he does, then not only do the Bengals not have him, but nobody in the NFL does. If he somehow does keep his nose clean and straightens up, then they have a very talented Wr that they are paying next to nothing for. The Bengals get ragged on anyway. The fellow players in the locker room like Henry. All the Bengals have to lose is their reputation, and it really isn't very solid as it is. If Henry were to be able to help the team get wins, then so be it. If he were to have straightened up and went to another team in the division kicking the Bengals' ###, it would suck much worse than him screwing up one more time to where we have to cut him ending his career for good.
What evidence is there of this? The previous five last chances?
 

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