Chris Henry's Big Day (1 Viewer)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

According to the news source this is going to be a trial to the court rather than a jury trial. Maybe they just didn't consider the distinction, but if so this will likely begin and end today, tomorrow at the latest.

Most defense attorneys I know with a famous client would try the case to a jury. Is Henry so hated there that he has a better shot in front of a judge, or is this particular judge a good draw? Any Cincinnatti guys with insight?

 

[T Bell]

According to the news source this is going to be a trial to the court rather than a jury trial. Maybe they just didn't consider the distinction, but if so this will likely begin and end today, tomorrow at the latest.

Most defense attorneys I know with a famous client would try the case to a jury. Is Henry so hated there that he has a better shot in front of a judge, or is this particular judge a good draw? Any Cincinnatti guys with insight?

It's probably a technical defense that they think a judge will appreciate more than a jury, but I'm just speculating. As for "ending today", that may depend upon how fast the judge renders his/her opinion. I agree they'll likely finish their presentation and argument today or tomorrow though.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

According to the news source this is going to be a trial to the court rather than a jury trial. Maybe they just didn't consider the distinction, but if so this will likely begin and end today, tomorrow at the latest.

Most defense attorneys I know with a famous client would try the case to a jury. Is Henry so hated there that he has a better shot in front of a judge, or is this particular judge a good draw? Any Cincinnatti guys with insight?

It's probably a technical defense that they think a judge will appreciate more than a jury, but I'm just speculating. As for "ending today", that may depend upon how fast the judge renders his/her opinion. I agree they'll likely finish their presentation and argument today or tomorrow though.

In my experience Municipal Court judges will rule directly from the bench immediately at the close of the trial nearly 100% of the time. An assualt trial is their bread and butter so it seems unlikely the judge would do otherwise, though perhaps, given the attention, he may do so.

 

[T Bell]

According to the news source this is going to be a trial to the court rather than a jury trial. Maybe they just didn't consider the distinction, but if so this will likely begin and end today, tomorrow at the latest.

Most defense attorneys I know with a famous client would try the case to a jury. Is Henry so hated there that he has a better shot in front of a judge, or is this particular judge a good draw? Any Cincinnatti guys with insight?

It's probably a technical defense that they think a judge will appreciate more than a jury, but I'm just speculating. As for "ending today", that may depend upon how fast the judge renders his/her opinion. I agree they'll likely finish their presentation and argument today or tomorrow though.

In my experience Municipal Court judges will rule directly from the bench immediately at the close of the trial nearly 100% of the time. An assualt trial is their bread and butter so it seems unlikely the judge would do otherwise, though perhaps, given the attention, he may do so.

You've got more experience than I do in this, so I'll defer to you. I was thinking of the high profile nature of this case, and of the fact that it's likely to get appealed if the ruling goes against the defendant given his resources and what's at stake for him.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

According to the news source this is going to be a trial to the court rather than a jury trial. Maybe they just didn't consider the distinction, but if so this will likely begin and end today, tomorrow at the latest.

Most defense attorneys I know with a famous client would try the case to a jury. Is Henry so hated there that he has a better shot in front of a judge, or is this particular judge a good draw? Any Cincinnatti guys with insight?

It's probably a technical defense that they think a judge will appreciate more than a jury, but I'm just speculating. As for "ending today", that may depend upon how fast the judge renders his/her opinion. I agree they'll likely finish their presentation and argument today or tomorrow though.

In my experience Municipal Court judges will rule directly from the bench immediately at the close of the trial nearly 100% of the time. An assualt trial is their bread and butter so it seems unlikely the judge would do otherwise, though perhaps, given the attention, he may do so.

You've got more experience than I do in this, so I'll defer to you. I was thinking of the high profile nature of this case, and of the fact that it's likely to get appealed if the ruling goes against the defendant given his resources and what's at stake for him.

Certainly this is possible. Most judges I know would opt for the appearance of normalcy and would not do for the high profile athlete what they did not do for the citizen last week and will not be doing next week. They open themselves up for substantial criticism.Usually you will get a better than average summary of evidence from the bench. Then a discussion of the evidence along with witness credibility and finally a ruling. Typical case this would last less than 10 minutes, with a newsworthy defendant maybe twenty. (My experience is minimal, whose isn't, outside of Cincinnatti and Dallas how often does one get to see the dynamic. I handled two matters involving NBA players, a few routine traffic matters involving NFL guys, and one involving an olympic skater. All of these were years ago so my perspective may be dated.)

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The court day should be over pretty soon in Cincinnatti. I am anxious to see if I have value here or not.

 

[hitman2]

This is killing me.

I have him in 2 leagues and this verdict will mean a lot to me.

The kid has talent, but no brains at all.

Best case is acquittal and an incentive laden contract with DALLAS !!!!!

He and ADAM JONES can keep each other straight. LOL

He should be able to beat out Crayton by mid season if signed.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Forgive me for not being up to date...Is he currently suspended? Is that suspension correlated with trial results?

Thank you for any info.

 

[fatness]

The trial appears to have carried over to Thursday (today): Link with not much info

Chris Henry is not exactly on a run of good luck.

His vehicle was almost repossessed at the trial.

and

His former home, which he lost in foreclosure, was vandalized.

 

[hitman2]

Forgive me for not being up to date...Is he currently suspended? Is that suspension correlated with trial results?Thank you for any info.

(ROTOWORLD) Suspended free agent receiver Chris Henry is due in court Tuesday to face charges of assault and criminal damaging.Analysis: This stems from Henry's incident with the 18-year-old, where he allegedly hit the kid in the face and shattered his car window with a bottle. Henry's agent says his client's suspension could be lifted if he gets off. We doubt it.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The trial appears to have carried over to Thursday (today): Link with not much info

Chris Henry is not exactly on a run of good luck.

His vehicle was almost repossessed at the trial.

and

His former home, which he lost in foreclosure, was vandalized.

Makes more sense to me that he would try this to a jury. I suspected the blurb in the news blog had it wrong.

 

[hitman2]

ANY NEWS ???????????????

 

[pretender]

 

[fatness]

The case may conclude Friday.

Link

 

[hitman2]

Henry's fortunes are about to turn around.

He'll be acquitted today and he'll be working out for teams next week.

I HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[texasheat]

I HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[T Bell]

I HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!

'Cause you know your team will sign him if he gets off.

 

[Lord Lucan]

The criminal damage charge has been dropped, that just leaves the assault charge. Case resumes Monday.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...S0107/306270022

 

[texasheat]

I HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!

'Cause you know your team will sign him if he gets off.

It has worked well in the past... We welcome thugs and gang bangers with open arms here at Valley Ranch.

 

[T Bell]

I HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!

'Cause you know your team will sign him if he gets off.

It has worked well in the past... We welcome thugs and gang bangers with open arms here at Valley Ranch.

Yup. GB "America's Team".

 

[hitman2]

The criminal damage charge has been dropped, that just leaves the assault charge. Case resumes Monday.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...S0107/306270022

THERE IS HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

BUM..........P

 

[Andy Herron]

Today's jury declared a mis-trial.

Now what?

Does Goodell have the grounds to continue the indefinite suspension, or will it get lifted?

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Today's jury declared a mis-trial.

Now what?

Does Goodell have the grounds to continue the indefinite suspension, or will it get lifted?

I thought a mistrial meant you got off, but according to this http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...n_refer=Vikingsthere's a hearing set for July 8th.

 

[Andy Herron]

Today's jury declared a mis-trial.

Now what?

Does Goodell have the grounds to continue the indefinite suspension, or will it get lifted?

I thought a mistrial meant you got off, but according to this http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...n_refer=Vikingsthere's a hearing set for July 8th.

Right. I'm not an attorney, but do have some education in law. This hearing may only be a formality to allow the court to determine if the evidence is strong enough to conduct a new trial, usually by the judge's discretion. Double-jeopardy does not apply in such a verdict, only if the defendant is found not guilty or there is an acquital. I seriously doubt the judge will press on with this.

Any attorneys out there with input?

 

[pretender]

I don't have any law background but I would think common sense would keep Henry from going to trial again and Goodell I think should lift the suspension as he wasn't found guilty of anything. If it had never gone to a hearing or trial or whatever - I'm sure he wouldn't have suspended him in the first place so.....

 

[T Bell]

Today's jury declared a mis-trial.

Now what?

Does Goodell have the grounds to continue the indefinite suspension, or will it get lifted?

I thought a mistrial meant you got off, but according to this http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...n_refer=Vikingsthere's a hearing set for July 8th.

Right. I'm not an attorney, but do have some education in law. This hearing may only be a formality to allow the court to determine if the evidence is strong enough to conduct a new trial, usually by the judge's discretion. Double-jeopardy does not apply in such a verdict, only if the defendant is found not guilty or there is an acquital. I seriously doubt the judge will press on with this.

Any attorneys out there with input?

A mistrial is like the trial never happened. In this case, it was due to a hung jury. When there's a mistrial, double jeopardy doesn't apply. The new hearing is almost certainly to set a new trial date, though that of course does not obligate the prosecutor to pursue the case if he elects to drop it.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

This is what the always reliable wikipedia says about mistrials:

Mistrials

A judge may cancel a trial prior to the return of a verdict; legal parlance designates this as a mistrial.

A judge may declare a mistrial due to:

* The court determining that it lacks jurisdiction over a case,

* Evidence being admitted improperly,

* Misconduct by a party, juror, or an outside actor, if it prevents due process,

* A hung jury which cannot reach a verdict with the required degree of unanimity

* Disqualification of a juror after the jury is impanelled, if no alternate juror is available and the litigants do not agree to proceed with the remaining jurors.

A declaration of a mistrial generally means that the court must hold a retrial on the same subject.

An important exception occurs in criminal cases in the United States. If the court erroneously declares a mistrial, or if prosecutorial misconduct forced the defendant into moving for a mistrial, then the US Constitution's protection against double jeopardy bars any retrial; so the prosecution must be terminated.

 

[Andy Herron]

Thanks guys.

Like I said, unless the prosecution has something in their pocket they've yet to introduce to the court, this thing is over.

The judge won't waste his time (and the tax payers money).

It's in Goodell's "court" now.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Thanks guys.Like I said, unless the prosecution has something in their pocket they've yet to introduce to the court, this thing is over.The judge won't waste his time (and the tax payers money).It's in Goodell's "court" now.

I don't see any reason why he should be suspended if he gets off on this.

 

[Andy Herron]

Thanks guys.Like I said, unless the prosecution has something in their pocket they've yet to introduce to the court, this thing is over.The judge won't waste his time (and the tax payers money).It's in Goodell's "court" now.

I don't see any reason why he should be suspended if he gets off on this.

I don't either, especially with no "legal" grounds.And as much as I hate to say it, Jerry Jones will be lurking for another low cost addition to the very position so much news has been circulating concerning the Cowboys. Jerry wants another Lombardi Trophy real bad, in case nobody's noticed, and he wants it "now."

 

[T Bell]

Thanks guys.Like I said, unless the prosecution has something in their pocket they've yet to introduce to the court, this thing is over.The judge won't waste his time (and the tax payers money).It's in Goodell's "court" now.

I don't see any reason why he should be suspended if he gets off on this.

"gets off" <> mistrialA mistrial is like he has not yet been tried. We'll have to see what the prosecutor does with this.

 

[fatness]

Don't some mistrials happen before cases go to a jury? And others happen, like in this case, after the case goes to a jury? I understand what you're saying ---- legally no trial has taken place. But both the prosecution and defense got a practice run out of this. With one charge thrown out and the jury not agreeing to convict on the other, the prosecutor has to decide if he wants another attempt at convincing a jury or is wasting time.

As for Henry's NFL staus:

Frazier added that Henry and his lawyers are unsure if this ruling will eventually lead to a second trial or a mistrial where the assault charge could be thrown out. But the indefinite suspension will not be lifted or permanently upheld until that decision is reached.

ESPN link

 

[Andy Herron]

From a legal standpoint, this thing is over.

It's up to Goodell at this point, by NFL standards.

 

[mcintyre1]

Looks like my Zealots flier pick wasn't quite as dumb as I thought...

 

[Fiddles]

Looks like my Zealots flier pick wasn't quite as dumb as I thought...

ya im sure hell turn his life around and not commit any more crimes

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Looks like my Zealots flier pick wasn't quite as dumb as I thought...

ya im sure hell turn his life around and not commit any more crimes

I took him in the 27th round of my draft, so I'd be happy with one productive season out of him. If he goes to a team like Dallas, he'd make a damn fine WR3 for me, and who knows, maybe he does stay out of trouble, then I'd have a nice little gem for myself for practically nothing.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Looks like my Zealots flier pick wasn't quite as dumb as I thought...

ya im sure hell turn his life around and not commit any more crimes

I took him in the 27th round of my draft, so I'd be happy with one productive season out of him. If he goes to a team like Dallas, he'd make a damn fine WR3 for me, and who knows, maybe he does stay out of trouble, then I'd have a nice little gem for myself for practically nothing.

You could do much worse in round #27.

 

[T Bell]

Don't some mistrials happen before cases go to a jury? And others happen, like in this case, after the case goes to a jury? I understand what you're saying ---- legally no trial has taken place. But both the prosecution and defense got a practice run out of this. With one charge thrown out and the jury not agreeing to convict on the other, the prosecutor has to decide if he wants another attempt at convincing a jury or is wasting time.

As for Henry's NFL staus:

Frazier added that Henry and his lawyers are unsure if this ruling will eventually lead to a second trial or a mistrial where the assault charge could be thrown out. But the indefinite suspension will not be lifted or permanently upheld until that decision is reached.

ESPN link

Certainly this first run at a trial is going to be used by both the prosecutor and the defense to reevaluate their case and the evidence, almost like a mock trial or focus group test of the evidence. Also, the testimony from this trial can be used in the second trial, at least to impeach witnesses if not outright presented by itself. The court may (and in some instances, must) also carry forward certain rulings it made on the evidence in the first trial (e.g. this piece of evidence is inadmissible in this trial; this witness can talk about this event despite the objection of the defendant, etc.) The second trial should be somewhat streamlined because of the first trial, and I'm sure that both sides will make tactical changes to their presentation and even the selection of a jury. It's still a new trial though in every other respect. And yes, mistrials can occur at any point from the start of jury selection, onward.

 

[T Bell]

Thanks guys.

Like I said, unless the prosecution has something in their pocket they've yet to introduce to the court, this thing is over.

The judge won't waste his time (and the tax payers money).

It's in Goodell's "court" now.

I don't see how you can flatly say this. You may well be right that they won't pursue it further, but I've seen no information that allows you to flatly declare it at this point.

 

[mcintyre1]

Looks like my Zealots flier pick wasn't quite as dumb as I thought...

ya im sure hell turn his life around and not commit any more crimes

I took him in the 27th round of my draft, so I'd be happy with one productive season out of him. If he goes to a team like Dallas, he'd make a damn fine WR3 for me, and who knows, maybe he does stay out of trouble, then I'd have a nice little gem for myself for practically nothing.

You could do much worse in round #27.

Yep, got him in the 29th round in mine. And probably could have gotten him later.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Let's hope his agent and whatever real friends he has sit on him through the upcoming party weekend. The last thing he needs before his next appearance is another charge popping up.

 

[Andy Herron]

Thanks guys.

Like I said, unless the prosecution has something in their pocket they've yet to introduce to the court, this thing is over.

The judge won't waste his time (and the tax payers money).

It's in Goodell's "court" now.

I don't see how you can flatly say this. You may well be right that they won't pursue it further, but I've seen no information that allows you to flatly declare it at this point.

Sorry, I was referring to "this thing is over." The phrase in between the commas was simply interjected. But you're right, I could have written it better. I saw it after I posted it, but simply let it go.

 

[Kirby]

Henry is really a good guy!

Q. How are you?

A. I’m doing pretty good.

Q. What are you doing these days?

A. Actually, I’m just now starting to get back into (playing shape).

Q. What are you looking to do once all these legal issues are behind you?

A. Just getting back to playing ball, you know, what I love to do. Right now, I’m just planning on going and training for a few weeks until things come together for me.

Q. How can a team trust you when you come back into the league?

A. I’m pretty sure they will look at that. I’m just going to have to prove it to whoever gives me an opportunity and a chance to play with their team. So it’ll be up to me.

Q. What did you learn from this situation?

A. I learned a lot, man. It’s been like that for a while, you know? This little incident that happened a couple months ago, it really was out of my hands. I’m just going to keep doing the same things I’ve been doing since I came back from my suspension last season.

Q. Are you still living in Cincinnati? Will you train there?

A. I’m still in Cincinnati right now. I’m planning on training down in North Carolina.

Q. Talk about some of the regrets you have.

A. It’s been tough, man. It’s been a long three months, not being on a ball club and just being in the house for three months. I’ve just got to try to put it all behind me and hopefully it’ll all come together here soon and I’ll be able to move on with my life.

Q. Is it possible we could see Chris Henry in a Bengals uniform again?

A. I hope so, man. I love playing for Cincinnati. I got really tight with a bunch of my teammates in Cincinnati. I would love for that to happen, but you never know.

Q. How tough of an adjustment was it coming from college to the NFL?

A. It’s different for a lot of people, that changeover from college to the NFL. With me, it was pretty easy for me, actually. I got used to it real quick. I felt real comfortable after my first training camp.

Q. What are the toughest things that Bengals rookie receiver Jerome Simpson will face this season?

A. Just knowing that all the defensive backs in the league are top-notch and everybody’s going to give them a challenge every time you step up to the line. You’ve got to be prepared for that mentally and physically. If he gets past that, he’ll be fine.

Q. What have you learned from this whole situation and what will you do differently?

A. I learned a lot, man. I learned a lot about everything that happened, and everything taught me a lesson. Just about being in the wrong places and hanging out with the wrong people. I just need to handle myself like a professional at all times. That’s pretty much what I need to do to stay in the league and get another shot at this. That’s what I plan on doing.

Q. Have any of the Bengals reached out to you since you were cut by the club?

A. I’ve lost contact with a lot of guys, but there’s a few guys on the team I’ve talked to. I actually talked to Chad (Johnson) this morning. And (team president) Mike Brown reached out to me.

Q. What did Chad have to say?

A. Chad’s good. He’s down in Miami right now just focusing on getting his ankle 100 percent, and he’s just getting ready for the season. Chad is a good guy. He’s always going to be a friend no matter what with me.

Q. Is Chad a positive influence for you?

A. It’s always positive when I talk to Chad. As soon as I came to Cincinnati, he was the first person I talked to on the team. We’ve been tight ever since then. He’s just one of those guys that young guys come into the NFL and look up to. I learned a lot from Chad. He’s a real good guy.

Q. What’s one thing you want fans to know about Chris Henry?

A. That I’m truly and really a good guy, a good person, fun to be around, and just love to play football. It ain’t all what it seems like when they hear all the negative stuff about me and all the stuff I’ve been through. There’s more to me than that.

Q. What are you going to do to keep yourself out of these situations?

A. Like I say, carry myself and handle myself as a professional at all times. By me doing that, it’s pretty much going to take care of everything. That’s all I really need to do.

Q. Will teams have to worry about Chris Henry ever being in trouble again?

A. Definitely not, man. I’m just going to stay away from the wrong people and never put myself in a bad situation, just try to stay positive about everything and just continue to work and think football at all times.

Q. What’s your former coach at West Virginia, Rich Rodriguez, going to do for Michigan?

A. Oh, man, I can definitely say Rodriguez is a great coach and he can really turn a program around once the players start believing in him and just going with the flow. I can just say that it’s going to be a good game (against Ohio State) this year.

Q. Some of his Michigan players have already transferred. One guy even transferred to Ohio State. Does that surprise you?

A. He’s a tough coach to get cool with, but he’s really a good coach and it’s going to be a good game to watch this year. Should be one of the best.

 

[King of the Jungle]

There is the 1% chance this guy is getting it. For that reason I scooped him up off waivers after a frustrated owner dumped him. He has rare ability, I hope he can get his head straight enough to show it.

 

[frank_da_tank]

I really hope Philadelphia gets Henry. Only speculation and wishful thinking.

If Henry was an Eagle, he'd be the number 1 wr right away.

I saw him play at WVU, and he was a mini -Moss.

This Eagle Fan would be "knocking out 17 years old kids for joy" if he got picked up by the birds.

 

[T Bell]

Henry is really a good guy!

It's probing interviews like this that keep me coming back here.

 

[tarheel1unc]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3478804&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlineshttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3478804&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Chris Henry scheduled for retrial next week.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I wonder what the breakdown of the voting was the last time.

 

[pretender]

I wonder what the breakdown of the voting was the last time.

sorry no link, I can't remember where I read it but it said 2 jurers wanted to charge him as being guilty and the rest were not guilty. today in FantasyMastermind Tidbits premium site so this is a tidbid from it.

WR Chris Henry Broke

A judge threw out the criminal damaging charge, saying Cincinnati prosecutors couldn't prove the allegation. A mistrial was declared last week on the assault charge when jurors couldn't come to a unanimous verdict. When the trial ended, jurors said they voted 6-2 to acquit Henry. But prosecutors said Tuesday they would retry Henry on the misdemeanor count.