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Honda is in prep period. war starts in 6 hours.  I expect this precludes a friendly war??

 
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What about tomorrow evening? Honda will finish up around 6-7pm and then we're off until Monday. Or could do it on Sunday

 
I'm gonna take a fairly big step back and/or retire.  The game just isn't fun anymore.  

Tam, you are welcome to keep shuke going.  

 
Yep. Done warring as well. Will continue to farm and punish people with JR. Hopefully another update comes soon as I won't last long just farming.

 
It's not really that hard to see where it went wrong.  It really has to do with the Warden being only available to TH11 and the nature of the warden itself.  I really don't see a way they can achieve what they consider balance of the top TH being mostly a 2 star game and the remainder of the TH being 3 star games on level.  Anything you do to raise the TH10 game will help TH11, and anything done to boost TH11 will hurt TH9 and lower.  It's a tight spot.  I don't really even have vision for how I'd even fix it.  It's going to be a long way back.

The competitive war scene is TH10 dipping every single TH11 hit on TH10, and attempt to get 2 stars on every TH11 by TH9 or 10.  Then 10s do what they can with the bases that are left. That's no fun for anyone, and not even fun to watch.  Was in a war with 22 TH10s on both sides that was an all star squad from the best clans.  Not all 44 hits were used on TH10s, but 0 TH10s got a TH10 3 star.  

It was a good run.  Had some great times, but it's time to move on.  

 
Any decently designed mid+ 10 cannot be tripled by another 10. Awful.

The only way to triple a 10 is with a long walk... But, oops, time. 

####, half our max 11s struggle now vs my L1 inferno base.

 
culdeus said:
It's not really that hard to see where it went wrong.  It really has to do with the Warden being only available to TH11 and the nature of the warden itself.  I really don't see a way they can achieve what they consider balance of the top TH being mostly a 2 star game and the remainder of the TH being 3 star games on level.  Anything you do to raise the TH10 game will help TH11, and anything done to boost TH11 will hurt TH9 and lower.  It's a tight spot.  I don't really even have vision for how I'd even fix it.  It's going to be a long way back.

The competitive war scene is TH10 dipping every single TH11 hit on TH10, and attempt to get 2 stars on every TH11 by TH9 or 10.  Then 10s do what they can with the bases that are left. That's no fun for anyone, and not even fun to watch.  Was in a war with 22 TH10s on both sides that was an all star squad from the best clans.  Not all 44 hits were used on TH10s, but 0 TH10s got a TH10 3 star.  

It was a good run.  Had some great times, but it's time to move on.  




 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Any decently designed mid+ 10 cannot be tripled by another 10. Awful.

The only way to triple a 10 is with a long walk... But, oops, time. 

####, half our max 11s struggle now vs my L1 inferno base.




 
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Is it possible that everyone got dulled by the ease of using miners? Non-miner attacks were not developed for a while, and it will take some time for the innovators to come up with viable attacks.

 
Clayton Gray said:
Is it possible that everyone got dulled by the ease of using miners? Non-miner attacks were not developed for a while, and it will take some time for the innovators to come up with viable attacks.
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Barely got started using miners. It started going down hill with the healer nerf which pretty much killed valks. Now more D added at TH10 and both bowlers and miners get weakened? What's left?

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Barely got started using miners. It started going down hill with the healer nerf which pretty much killed valks. Now more D added at TH10 and both bowlers and miners get weakened? What's left?




 
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Gloomy picture.

When I have success against TH10s, it's with valks. Funnel them into the core, rage to clear the core, and then heal after that. I usually queen walk one side and hope the queen and the valks have enough left to get the 3-star.

 
Clayton Gray said:
Gloomy picture.

When I have success against TH10s, it's with valks. Funnel them into the core, rage to clear the core, and then heal after that. I usually queen walk one side and hope the queen and the valks have enough left to get the 3-star.
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That used to be a viable option when healers could survive to keep valks alive. Now it takes a pretty terrible base for that to happen.

The Future Champs said:
Learn to appreciate a good 2 star attack?
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What is there to appreciate when a crap attack can get the same 2 stars? 

 
I would like to see the bases Clayton is hitting? 

Seriously a 40/40 has 0 chance of tripling a decently designed max 10, like 0. It's stupid.  Even a decently designed 10 that has L12 everything is pushing it. The air traps hitting healers was a monumental step backwards.  

 
freeannyong said:
I would like to see the bases Clayton is hitting? 

Seriously a 40/40 has 0 chance of tripling a decently designed max 10, like 0. It's stupid.  Even a decently designed 10 that has L12 everything is pushing it. The air traps hitting healers was a monumental step backwards.  
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Yeah I can't envision a valk thing with healers working anymore.  You can't carry all that troop space in healers when their primary usefulness was that they were there at the end to keep the valks alive through the cleanup phase.  You need something else for cleanup that those 60 or so spots cost, and simply bases have too much dps on the front end now to overcome without being able to sink some of that with healers.  

Yeah I get it that people are hitting down bow bases with air and doing ok, but that's a temporary thing once people realize they can set them up again without any major problems.

It's just too complex a problem to solve, and I don't really want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can fix it.  

 
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culdeus said:
Yeah I can't envision a valk thing with healers working anymore.  You can't carry all that troop space in healers when their primary usefulness was that they were there at the end to keep the valks alive through the cleanup phase.  You need something else for cleanup that those 60 or so spots cost, and simply bases have too much dps on the front end now to overcome without being able to sink some of that with healers.  

Yeah I get it that people are hitting down bow bases with air and doing ok, but that's a temporary thing once people realize they can set them up again without any major problems.

It's just too complex a problem to solve, and I don't really want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can fix it.  
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It really isn't.

1) Dial back towers by about 10-15% DPS across the board.

2) If you can't build it, you can't have it donated to you.

Game on.

 
In the past, an update might nerf a single troop or maybe two, sometimes by legit taking away some dps, or by introducing new defenses or increased defensive ability (1.5 damage by giant bombs to hogs). This update did both, pretty much across the board.

Nerf miners. Nerf ground (bomb towers). Nerf air (Mostly by nerfed healers for the opening) Nerf all offense by adding 4 new levels of xbows and 4 new teslas. 

In the past, we could learn to raid by using war armies for farming. Expensive, yes, but worth it for war. Now, attacks must be so tailored for each base, that it's impossible to practice outside of war since bases are not the same. There is no joy in "hey, let's figure out a good attack strategy" when it's impossible to have a blanket strategy.

So no practice, almost impossible to 3* your own th level, and expensive attacks. Sounds like the game has become a chore. (Which it has for me, and apparently many others)

Am I quitting? No, not yet. 3 years of learning and having fun, I'll wait it out a bit longer. But something has to be fixed soon.

 
MindCrime said:
So no practice, almost impossible to 3* your own th level, and expensive attacks. Sounds like the game has become a chore. (Which it has for me, and apparently many others)

Am I quitting? No, not yet. 3 years of learning and having fun, I'll wait it out a bit longer. But something has to be fixed soon.
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This is kind of where I'm at.  I was getting good with that Healer/Giant/Wiz/Bowler/Hog deal, maybe I'll go back to that. 

It's starting to careen into being more work than play, which is a bad thing for a game.

 
freeannyong said:
I would like to see the bases Clayton is hitting? 

Seriously a 40/40 has 0 chance of tripling a decently designed max 10, like 0. It's stupid.  Even a decently designed 10 that has L12 everything is pushing it. The air traps hitting healers was a monumental step backwards.  




 
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Oh, I'm not 3-starring any great - or even good - TH10s. But I only have 30/30 heroes and all of my troops aren't max. My only point was that maybe the right strategy just hasn't been found yet. The upper tier attackers have always discovered something that would work - just takes time.

 
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It's been 2 weeks and it hasn't happened, hopes are not high. 
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The worst part is you guys are running into walls and you're better than average to very good players.  For those of us casual 'war once a week' dudes, it's been even more painful.

ETA: In before "yeah...but you're USED to sucking!"

 
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Statorama said:
The worst part is you guys are running into walls and you're better than average to very good players.  For those of us casual 'war once a week' dudes, it's been even more painful.

ETA: In before "yeah...but you're USED to sucking!"
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I think if you look at the high end clan youtube channels it's mostly all the same thing.  Valchetto and Ed aren't having nearly the content they used to, and the FPC flag bearers are showing 11 on 10 dips mostly out of necessity to show something. There is still the odd laloon 10 on 10, but those are still the down xbow type hits.  There's no reason to have down xbows anymore, you can't trip with ground no matter how they are set and you expose yourself to a luck box air hit with them set down.  

 
Have a question.

I have an iPad with COC on it. I have my Gamecenter account.

If I get a new iPad and log into my Gamecenter account from the new iPad, will my current base still be there? Or do I need to do something like transfer it over from one device to another?

Thanks in advance for any help.

 
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Have a question.

I have an iPad with COC on it. I have my Gamecenter account.

If I get a new iPad and log into my Gamecenter account from the new iPad, will my current base still be there? Or do I need to do something like transfer it over from one device to another?

Thanks in advance for any help.




 
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It will be on any device you log into with your Gamecenter account.

 
It doesn't really seem like there has been a large exodus from the game or anything, I think there are a large number of people that simply don't care about high level TH balance and actually prefer the game to exist with the narrative that 3 stars are for all intents impossible.  

It's been a little bit, maybe 2 weeks since quitting.  Haven't missed it at all.  I keep up with the old Legacy guys and I think my main account is in use over at Midwinters, but I've not bothered to check in on it.

 
I was reading some stuff and reddit and was shocked to see a lot of people saying they like how th10 is. I can't understand that but I guess that's what it is. 

I still don't have a clue what 10s can do on max 10s. Have seen bowlers used on weaker 10s in some videos with success. 

 
Hello.

I've been playing again lately on my old secondary account. I just pushed the button on TH9. I have a couple of questions for those who are still into the meta of this game if anyone feels like helping:

- Are "0.5" TH's a thing? I have no idea what the war weighting is like now. Given I'm in a small clan (friend of my wife's) that only do 10 v 10 once a week and we lose more than we win (despite me being an ace TH8!) so not a big deal, but just curious.

- How do people farm at TH11? I went to TH11. Probably shouldn't have. I don't know how to farm profitably at that level. It's probably just that I suck, but is there a trophy range where I should aim for? I think I'm in Masters now, but again, barely play on the TH11 account because I don't really know how to anymore.

TIA.

 
PatsWillWin said:
Hello.

I've been playing again lately on my old secondary account. I just pushed the button on TH9. I have a couple of questions for those who are still into the meta of this game if anyone feels like helping:

- Are "0.5" TH's a thing? I have no idea what the war weighting is like now. Given I'm in a small clan (friend of my wife's) that only do 10 v 10 once a week and we lose more than we win (despite me being an ace TH8!) so not a big deal, but just curious.

- How do people farm at TH11? I went to TH11. Probably shouldn't have. I don't know how to farm profitably at that level. It's probably just that I suck, but is there a trophy range where I should aim for? I think I'm in Masters now, but again, barely play on the TH11 account because I don't really know how to anymore.

TIA.
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Pats!

.5s still work (kind of). If you want to go that route at TH9, I'd say max all other towers first then start on xbows. Don't build any new stuff until the stuff you have is maxed.

Farming at 11 is pretty much the same as 10 I find. AQ walk into valks or bowlers. I go with 4 healers, 4 giants, 4 wiz, 6 WB and 17 valks. 3 rage, 2 jump. Try and take our the eagle early if you can. On competent bases, expect to only get about 60-70% so enter accordingly to get the most loot. I try to stick in M3-M2. When I get much higher, I'll drop back down to crystal. Seems to have the best mix of ####ty bases and good loot. Get into champs and the bases are stronger, loot is less but bonus is a bit more.

Bring your 11 over to FBGS. Lots of room even if you don't want to war.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Bring your 11 over to FBGS. Lots of room even if you don't want to war.
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Wow, has it come to that? I have been gone awhile.

I'm not super active on my TH11 since I haven't figured out how to play it. If there are empty spots anyway I'll hop over but I wouldn't want to take up a spot if other people want in.

 
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