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Sputnikv8
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Maybe we just call it a day and delete the app?
PB wouldn't be toooo upset by that idea!
culdeus
Footballguy
hmm, link is different. I see different ones. I'll get them on tools later. skitch->tools is a beating. I have to bring them down to a desktop first.
culdeus
Footballguy
We need to come to some sort of consensus. At our base weights and hero levels we are going to struggle vs. all but the most hopeless clans.
This will be 3 war losses in a row, the first time ever that's happened. In fact, I think only once before did we lose 2 in a row prior to the current streak. (fact check this, I'm lazy).
50 has a lot of farmers, yes. But it also have a lot of xp farmers that try a little, but not too seriously. Very few serious clans go as 50. It's just too hard to manage.
We can try 45, 45/45 hasn't been great to us but it's mostly sample size error.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Is winning a war the only fun people get from this game? Does anyone gain any enjoyment vs. a clan like what we are staring at hoping to learn something new or practice and tweak attacks that you don't get to see during normal _______ (barch/loonion/other) farming raids?We need to come to some sort of consensus. At our base weights and hero levels we are going to struggle vs. all but the most hopeless clans.
This will be 3 war losses in a row, the first time ever that's happened. In fact, I think only once before did we lose 2 in a row prior to the current streak. (fact check this, I'm lazy).
50 has a lot of farmers, yes. But it also have a lot of xp farmers that try a little, but not too seriously. Very few serious clans go as 50. It's just too hard to manage.
We can try 45, 45/45 hasn't been great to us but it's mostly sample size error.
What is the big deal at trying and losing but hopefully learning? I feel that I have gotten more reliable via air raids than I was say 3 months ago (last war not-withstanding). Now I'm going to start working on the TH10 ground strikes.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Going to steal my equals base and watch how they attack it then do the same thing 
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=Smackdown=
Footballguy
I love a challenge - and absolutely hate farm wars.Is winning a war the only fun people get from this game? Does anyone gain any enjoyment vs. a clan like what we are staring at hoping to learn something new or practice and tweak attacks that you don't get to see during normal _______ (barch/loonion/other) farming raids?We need to come to some sort of consensus. At our base weights and hero levels we are going to struggle vs. all but the most hopeless clans.
This will be 3 war losses in a row, the first time ever that's happened. In fact, I think only once before did we lose 2 in a row prior to the current streak. (fact check this, I'm lazy).
50 has a lot of farmers, yes. But it also have a lot of xp farmers that try a little, but not too seriously. Very few serious clans go as 50. It's just too hard to manage.
We can try 45, 45/45 hasn't been great to us but it's mostly sample size error.
What is the big deal at trying and losing but hopefully learning? I feel that I have gotten more reliable via air raids than I was say 3 months ago (last war not-withstanding). Now I'm going to start working on the TH10 ground strikes.
Like learning new strategies and seeing different ways to attack and different types of defenses.
Our opponent this war has 40/40 heros from 1 to 8. We do not have anyone with Max heros. The matchup is just brutal. After a while it gets extremely frustrating.
culdeus
Footballguy
Well, we aren't alone. I thought our mix would be ok, but I've been reading some SC forums a little more rather than reddit. They have more clan diversity there. Clans like us which are 50/50 two different TH and weak heroes are really struggling. There are alot of super strong 50/50 clans out there. Clans with hundreds more hero levels than us. Clans with 100+ wins are now dropping 6, 7, 8 in a row.Is winning a war the only fun people get from this game? Does anyone gain any enjoyment vs. a clan like what we are staring at hoping to learn something new or practice and tweak attacks that you don't get to see during normal _______ (barch/loonion/other) farming raids?We need to come to some sort of consensus. At our base weights and hero levels we are going to struggle vs. all but the most hopeless clans.
This will be 3 war losses in a row, the first time ever that's happened. In fact, I think only once before did we lose 2 in a row prior to the current streak. (fact check this, I'm lazy).
50 has a lot of farmers, yes. But it also have a lot of xp farmers that try a little, but not too seriously. Very few serious clans go as 50. It's just too hard to manage.
We can try 45, 45/45 hasn't been great to us but it's mostly sample size error.
What is the big deal at trying and losing but hopefully learning? I feel that I have gotten more reliable via air raids than I was say 3 months ago (last war not-withstanding). Now I'm going to start working on the TH10 ground strikes.
If hero weight stays this low, and there's no indication it will change ever, then there's alot to say there is nearly no hope for the forseeable future.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Going to steal my equals base and watch how they attack it then do the same thing
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
I suggested just this a few months ago. Copy your counterparts base and see how they attack it - then copy that attack back.Going to steal my equals base and watch how they attack it then do the same thing
John Bender
Footballguy
niceI suggested just this a few months ago. Copy your counterparts base and see how they attack it - then copy that attack back.Going to steal my equals base and watch how they attack it then do the same thing
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Footballguy
Culd - Skitch up the Pekka walk for #2 when you have some time.
Willing to give it a shot
8 quake
5 Pekka
AQ/4 Healers
What you got?
Willing to give it a shot
8 quake
5 Pekka
AQ/4 Healers
What you got?
culdeus
Footballguy
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
No downside in a war like this.I suggested just this a few months ago. Copy your counterparts base and see how they attack it - then copy that attack back.Going to steal my equals base and watch how they attack it then do the same thing
culdeus
Footballguy
2 jumps
2 freeze
1 rage
1 haste
Cc golem and whatever
5 pekkas
3 healers
2 giants
15 wiz
5 hogs
Archer
Math check. I skitched it up will upload soon
sartre
Footballguy
So what do we know about poison against heroes? Reduced effectiveness, right? By how much?
There are times when 3 poisons might be a good option, especially in 2-star strats. Pretty much everyone uses dragon + skulls nowadays (way to make the game homogeneous, poison spell!). Use 2 to eliminate the skulls and hold one for skelly traps or to slow down an enemy hero (not sure how effective the latter is though)
There are times when 3 poisons might be a good option, especially in 2-star strats. Pretty much everyone uses dragon + skulls nowadays (way to make the game homogeneous, poison spell!). Use 2 to eliminate the skulls and hold one for skelly traps or to slow down an enemy hero (not sure how effective the latter is though)
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
4 poison, 1 rage, 3 haste have legs? 4 poison will just about take out a drag. Penta the rest and some raged pups should finish off the drag.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Do multiple poisons stack as far as slow goes? Maybe something like Quake where it's not linear?
i.e. do two level two poisons slow something 30% (no stacking), or 51% (70 - (70*.3))?
i.e. do two level two poisons slow something 30% (no stacking), or 51% (70 - (70*.3))?
culdeus
Footballguy
For the moment the only thing I see in the pros is use of poison for hog raids to kill trailing skeletons after hogs. If there was a more efficient use they probably would have "practiced" it by now.
Pros will use poison on a cc full of skulls to slow them down to a crawl, and keep in mind max poison takes a loon down to 10HP. But vs. a drag/loon combo it seems like a waste if hogging.
Pros will use poison on a cc full of skulls to slow them down to a crawl, and keep in mind max poison takes a loon down to 10HP. But vs. a drag/loon combo it seems like a waste if hogging.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Build has begun.
Been searching the tubes for Pekka walk and there is not much there. No idea what to do here.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Welp. It was a good run.Well, we aren't alone. I thought our mix would be ok, but I've been reading some SC forums a little more rather than reddit. They have more clan diversity there. Clans like us which are 50/50 two different TH and weak heroes are really struggling. There are alot of super strong 50/50 clans out there. Clans with hundreds more hero levels than us. Clans with 100+ wins are now dropping 6, 7, 8 in a row.Is winning a war the only fun people get from this game? Does anyone gain any enjoyment vs. a clan like what we are staring at hoping to learn something new or practice and tweak attacks that you don't get to see during normal _______ (barch/loonion/other) farming raids?We need to come to some sort of consensus. At our base weights and hero levels we are going to struggle vs. all but the most hopeless clans.
This will be 3 war losses in a row, the first time ever that's happened. In fact, I think only once before did we lose 2 in a row prior to the current streak. (fact check this, I'm lazy).
50 has a lot of farmers, yes. But it also have a lot of xp farmers that try a little, but not too seriously. Very few serious clans go as 50. It's just too hard to manage.
We can try 45, 45/45 hasn't been great to us but it's mostly sample size error.
What is the big deal at trying and losing but hopefully learning? I feel that I have gotten more reliable via air raids than I was say 3 months ago (last war not-withstanding). Now I'm going to start working on the TH10 ground strikes.
If hero weight stays this low, and there's no indication it will change ever, then there's alot to say there is nearly no hope for the forseeable future.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
OoofBlue arrows are the AQ/Healer walk
Are the green arrows where Pekkas go in? Along with the black arrow for Golem in same spot?
White arrow is where I drop 12 wiz?
2 yellow arrows are hogs? Doubt they go so far there are only 4-5 hogs.
Appreciate the hel but nOt sure this was a good idea - hard to follow. Lot of moving parts
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
How's Honda doing?
culdeus
Footballguy
Yes there are a crap ton of moving parts. Timing is important. You have the basic idea but its critical to get the south funnel set too
sartre
Footballguy
freeannyong
Footballguy
I think a 5 year old could have done better than I just did. Need some reps, could go for some xmod right about now.
beer 30
Footballguy
freeannyong
Footballguy
After thinking about it more I think it's going to have to be some combination.
Me and culdeus - th10 duty
SMN and Instinctive - floating
Shammy and Scott - th9
Something of that nature, break it up based on queen level
Instinctive
Footballguy
I can 3-star pretty much any TH9 at this point, I think, if I have both heroes. When I'm down one hero like I have been recently, I have to dip a little lower in the TH9s. But I'm most confident crushing TH9s, so that's probably the best use of my skills.
That said, if we think we need me to hit TH10s for 2, I can work on that as well. I've got PEKKA going to L4 right now, and then I can research either PEKKA to L5 or Golem to L5.
If we want me to keep focusing on air, I'll probably use lab to upgrade haste instead. Just let me know whatever the clan needs.
That said, if we think we need me to hit TH10s for 2, I can work on that as well. I've got PEKKA going to L4 right now, and then I can research either PEKKA to L5 or Golem to L5.
If we want me to keep focusing on air, I'll probably use lab to upgrade haste instead. Just let me know whatever the clan needs.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
I had just mentioned this in game chat, but, you and I should probably swap roles in the Tam directive. I've got Pekka and Golems maxed already. Now I just need to work on the actual attacks.
edit: nevermind, I am told my heros are too puny.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I won't see any game chat until tonight, most likely, so appreciate any role discussions and such being recapped on here afterwards for edification.I had just mentioned this in game chat, but, you and I should probably swap roles in the Tam directive. I've got Pekka and Golems maxed already. Now I just need to work on the actual attacks.
edit: nevermind, I am told my heros are too puny.
culdeus
Footballguy
If we are going to compete we have to be a little more realistic about who needs to maybe drop down and hit the TH9s and understand that the weak TH10s need to be left to the professionals.
With the exception of Fudd and CJ our sub 20/20 TH10 likely need to be demoted to hitting exclusively TH9. I love ron, but the guy is really over matched at this point. If we could develop a new crew of 17000+ TH9 assassins it would be most useful. Acer, Zub, Inst, AZ, Sham, warst, with SMN on cleanup most often. All of these really lack the heroes to hit bases above 22000, but have the troops to murder the 17-18000 variety. They just need to practice in that range more. (Sham, exception here)
This leaves Tam, Myself, and Jason attempting 3* strats on weak and or exploitable TH10 and occasionally cleaning up TH9.
Leaves our TH9 hitting below 17000, and hitting above it likely after a scout or if the base is just awful.
Leaves the rest of our TH10 shooting at the TH10.
poke holes.
With the exception of Fudd and CJ our sub 20/20 TH10 likely need to be demoted to hitting exclusively TH9. I love ron, but the guy is really over matched at this point. If we could develop a new crew of 17000+ TH9 assassins it would be most useful. Acer, Zub, Inst, AZ, Sham, warst, with SMN on cleanup most often. All of these really lack the heroes to hit bases above 22000, but have the troops to murder the 17-18000 variety. They just need to practice in that range more. (Sham, exception here)
This leaves Tam, Myself, and Jason attempting 3* strats on weak and or exploitable TH10 and occasionally cleaning up TH9.
Leaves our TH9 hitting below 17000, and hitting above it likely after a scout or if the base is just awful.
Leaves the rest of our TH10 shooting at the TH10.
poke holes.
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freeannyong
Footballguy
I can't think of reasons to attempt 3 star on th10s. How about we first start with 2 staring them.
I think all you list can hit lower th10s for 2 and we can pivot some onto th9s as necessary
I think all you list can hit lower th10s for 2 and we can pivot some onto th9s as necessary
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
You know, if only somebody would have thought of that earlier.
culdeus
Footballguy
Math is not working out here.
I know SMN thinks we can get 2 on all the TH10 and 3 on all the TH9 and win but that's just not realistic. We lack the firepower to do this in our current setup.
Again drifting into the macro element right now, but it is what it is. Any way you cut it we are basically a lost cause for awhile. I don't really think there is a way we beat a serious clan right now no matter how we break it up. Built out way too much defense way too fast. I tried to caution against this, but I can't control what people do and can only offer advice.
freeannyong
Footballguy
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
I don't think we can 2 all the th10 with our heroes which is why I think we have to 3 all the th9. This war they have 22 th9 or lower. 3 those, get 10 th10 2 stars, and 8 th10 stars and we have 94. Thats not realistic when they have hounds in all their th9? They have 90 with 6 attacks left. Mid 90s is our absolute best with our clan makeup, I was just trying to get us to that number and if the opposing clan beats that so be it.
But we need all our th10 attacking th10! Look at how well that worked. We get matched up with a crap clan then sure have at it.
culdeus
Footballguy
They setup their bases perfectly. The ones that were weak to air they used dragons, the ones that were strong to air used hounds. Used mostly anti 3 star bases in TH9 and mostly anti 2 star bases in TH10 and we executed 4 raids out of 41 of any value. (yes, practicing etc. etc.)
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
I quit watching our attacks but point me to a th9 with a dragon or a th10 with a hound. I saw the same cc makeup by th level across the board.
culdeus
Footballguy
Some of the top TH10 had hounds right? The low ones had drags. Didn't lowmax run into a drag? I'll go look.
freeannyong
Footballguy
12 and 13 both had hounds if I recall.
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
Yup some hounds in th10 land but every th9 had a hounds so half right.
On to the next war.
creel29
Footballguy
Not that it really matters, but 23 had drag/skull combo in defensive CC. I was expecting a hound since that is what we had seen all thru TH9 land. Surprise sucka!
