Cleveland swaps picks with Minnesota (1 Viewer)

[Bobcat10]

Jalil Brown, Brandon Burton, Bruce Miller. How good are these guys? Those are the 118, 139, 211 picks from last years draft.

Always a few late round picks that turn into productive players. The more picks you have the better chance of finding one of them. These picks are hit and miss but they're far from worthless.

They're basically worthless when you consider the situation...the Browns already had 9 picks between the 4th and 7th and they were in jeopardy of not getting their top player. Maybe they can get a 5th or 6th back for McCoy too.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Jalil Brown, Brandon Burton, Bruce Miller. How good are these guys? Those are the 118, 139, 211 picks from last years draft.

Cleveland didn't give up much and Minnesota got some picks to help move up if they need to...great for both sides.

 

[Donnybrook]

Jalil Brown, Brandon Burton, Bruce Miller. How good are these guys? Those are the 118, 139, 211 picks from last years draft.

Vikings were expecting to use one of these picks on AJ Jenkins.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Jalil Brown, Brandon Burton, Bruce Miller. How good are these guys? Those are the 118, 139, 211 picks from last years draft.

Vikings were expecting to use one of these picks on AJ Jenkins.

Not sure what Jenkins is all about but Harbaugh picked Aldon Smith so I gotta wait and see.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Jalil Brown, Brandon Burton, Bruce Miller. How good are these guys? Those are the 118, 139, 211 picks from last years draft.

This is a great point, because nobody would ever be able to identify anybody drafted in those slots who ended up being good.

 

[Donnybrook]

Jalil Brown, Brandon Burton, Bruce Miller. How good are these guys? Those are the 118, 139, 211 picks from last years draft.

Vikings were expecting to use one of these picks on AJ Jenkins.

Not sure what Jenkins is all about but Harbaugh picked Aldon Smith so I gotta wait and see.

It is all about you hating on the Vikings for the Ponder pick. It seems your team is not immune to reaching.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Jalil Brown, Brandon Burton, Bruce Miller. How good are these guys? Those are the 118, 139, 211 picks from last years draft.

Vikings were expecting to use one of these picks on AJ Jenkins.

Not sure what Jenkins is all about but Harbaugh picked Aldon Smith so I gotta wait and see.

It is all about you hating on the Vikings for the Ponder pick. It seems your team is not immune to reaching.

I don't recall ponders name ever coming out of my mouth. Way to hold a grudge, don't remember ever saying that, you sure it was me. lol

 

[renesauz]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

 

[wadegarrett]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

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[renesauz]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

X

I understand the Richardson move and agree it wasn't too expensive. I just find it hard to believe he wouldn't have still been there at #4.Wheedon is a differant story. Nobody was gonna steal him away, because nobody is spending a premium pick on a 28 y.o. backup.

 

[Hang 10]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

Agreed.I almost think the Browns did this as more of a statement pick. Drafting a QB in first round = Turning the page from Colt McCoy

I mean, why else would they feel the need to trade Colt immediately? Let these two guys compete for the job. It's not like Colt is costing them a buncha money.

 

[wadegarrett]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

X

I understand the Richardson move and agree it wasn't too expensive. I just find it hard to believe he wouldn't have still been there at #4.Wheedon is a differant story. Nobody was gonna steal him away, because nobody is spending a premium pick on a 28 y.o. backup.

He's not a backup. Was #13 on Browns board. Had him rated higher than Tanehill.

 

[Bobcat10]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

X

I understand the Richardson move and agree it wasn't too expensive. I just find it hard to believe he wouldn't have still been there at #4.Wheedon is a differant story. Nobody was gonna steal him away, because nobody is spending a premium pick on a 28 y.o. backup.

Why do you find it hard to believe he wouldn't have been there at #4? If you've actually heard him speak, do you think Heckert is a liar, or lying in this instance? I'm convinced Minnesota was moving regardless based on everything I've heard and read. Minnesota had preferences in who they'd deal with and what spot they'd deal to, just like any good front office should.

 

[Bobcat10]

Was #13 on Browns board. Had him rated higher than Tanehill.

Where was Tannehill? In their group of approx 22 first round graded players? I have not seen this anywhere.

 

[renesauz]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

X

I understand the Richardson move and agree it wasn't too expensive. I just find it hard to believe he wouldn't have still been there at #4.Wheedon is a differant story. Nobody was gonna steal him away, because nobody is spending a premium pick on a 28 y.o. backup.

He's not a backup. Was #13 on Browns board. Had him rated higher than Tanehill.

The question isn't where the Browns had him ranked. The question is who else A) Needed a starter or B)Was willing to spend a high 2 on a backup. The answer to both questions is...nobody.

 

[wadegarrett]

Does anyone think the Browns couldn't have got Weeden in the 2nd round? Doesn't seem like there's as many QB needy teams left in the league that would have jumped them to draft Weeden.

No kidding. None of the teams picking between their 22nd and 37th picks need a QB enough to reach for him. Vikes were about the only possibility, but they're still trying to find out what they have in Ponder. Unless a team trades up for him (unlikely) he's still there in the 2nd.

And therein lies the problem.

But whose even in the market for a QB? KC maybe?

NOBODY is in the market for a starter, and NOBODY was spending a high second in a deep draft on a 28 year old backup.I like Cleveland's picks...Wheedon is worth a gamble and TRich is a stud...but they didn't need to move up for Richardson and Wheedon would have been there for them in the mid 2nd. They wasted picks. Horrible situational drafting.

X

I understand the Richardson move and agree it wasn't too expensive. I just find it hard to believe he wouldn't have still been there at #4.Wheedon is a differant story. Nobody was gonna steal him away, because nobody is spending a premium pick on a 28 y.o. backup.

He's not a backup. Was #13 on Browns board. Had him rated higher than Tanehill.

The question isn't where the Browns had him ranked. The question is who else A) Needed a starter or B)Was willing to spend a high 2 on a backup. The answer to both questions is...nobody.

He's not a backup. And you have no idea whether somebody else wanted him or not.

 

[renesauz]

Why do you find it hard to believe he wouldn't have been there at #4? If you've actually heard him speak, do you think Heckert is a liar, or lying in this instance? I'm convinced Minnesota was moving regardless based on everything I've heard and read. Minnesota had preferences in who they'd deal with and what spot they'd deal to, just like any good front office should.

It's not that hard to believe...just unlikely. The Wheedon move was a couple orders of magnitude worse.

 

[renesauz]

He's not a backup. And you have no idea whether somebody else wanted him or not.

Read my statements again. Who else needed a starter? If nobody else, then anyone drafting him would do so as a backup. Few teams spend high 2s on backups...what are the odds that a team would spend a high 2nd on an old backup?Logically...nobody was taking him before the Browns next pick. Nobody.

 

[wadegarrett]

He's not a backup. And you have no idea whether somebody else wanted him or not.

Read my statements again. Who else needed a starter? If nobody else, then anyone drafting him would do so as a backup. Few teams spend high 2s on backups...what are the odds that a team would spend a high 2nd on an old backup?Logically...nobody was taking him before the Browns next pick. Nobody.

Can never be 100% sure on this so it's a moot point.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

He's not a backup. And you have no idea whether somebody else wanted him or not.

Read my statements again. Who else needed a starter? If nobody else, then anyone drafting him would do so as a backup. Few teams spend high 2s on backups...what are the odds that a team would spend a high 2nd on an old backup?Logically...nobody was taking him before the Browns next pick. Nobody.

Broncos? Houston?

 

[cstu]

He's not a backup. And you have no idea whether somebody else wanted him or not.

Read my statements again. Who else needed a starter? If nobody else, then anyone drafting him would do so as a backup. Few teams spend high 2s on backups...what are the odds that a team would spend a high 2nd on an old backup?Logically...nobody was taking him before the Browns next pick. Nobody.

The Rams thought the same thing about Blackmon, look how well that turned out.