Clint Ingram vs Scott Fujita (1 Viewer)

[Hoodoo]

This is more of an actual football question than an IDP question, but since you all are the experts you're the best to ask.

I was wondering what were the thoughts of Clint Ingram signing with New Orleans to be the starting SLB this year. How does he compare with Fujita? Would he be considered an upgrade, downgrade or neither & what went wrong for Jacksonville to cut him?

If he does actually start does anyone see any fantasy value in him for deeper dynasty leagues? Fujita, when healthy, could put up some decent games & was at least an option for a spot start.

 

[Jene Bramel]

There are a couple of Jacksonville homers that will have better insight into why the Jaguars let Ingram go. I think it mostly had to do with his poor durability, his inability to hold up against the run and the improved depth with Russell Allen emerging and acquisition of Kirk Morrison.

Gregg Williams knows him well from his time in Jacksonville and the Saints are really light on OLB talent. I don't think there's any guarantee that Ingram starts over Dunbar at SLB and I doubt he'll be an every-down backer over Shanle if he does win the job. The Saints don't see as many passing attempts as you'd think -- teams try to control the clock early and their divisional opponents have been run heavy lately -- so the good matchups for the SLB are likely to continue to be relatively rare.

I don't see much value for Ingram.

 

[ATC1]

There are a couple of Jacksonville homers that will have better insight into why the Jaguars let Ingram go. I think it mostly had to do with his poor durability, his inability to hold up against the run and the improved depth with Russell Allen emerging and acquisition of Kirk Morrison. Gregg Williams knows him well from his time in Jacksonville and the Saints are really light on OLB talent. I don't think there's any guarantee that Ingram starts over Dunbar at SLB and I doubt he'll be an every-down backer over Shanle if he does win the job. The Saints don't see as many passing attempts as you'd think -- teams try to control the clock early and their divisional opponents have been run heavy lately -- so the good matchups for the SLB are likely to continue to be relatively rare.I don't see much value for Ingram.

Jene, can you explain to me why Fujita PPG average was top 25 for LB in tackle heavy leagues then. Is he just a talented player. His PPG average has to be best among SLBs.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

His PPG average has to be best among SLBs.

I think Brian Cushing owners would disagree.Fujita is a good player though. If Ingram isn't playing in the nickel package, he'll have a hard time matching Fujita's numbers. I think he's more of a depth signing at this point given how poorly he played last year.

 

[Jene Bramel]

There are a couple of Jacksonville homers that will have better insight into why the Jaguars let Ingram go. I think it mostly had to do with his poor durability, his inability to hold up against the run and the improved depth with Russell Allen emerging and acquisition of Kirk Morrison. Gregg Williams knows him well from his time in Jacksonville and the Saints are really light on OLB talent. I don't think there's any guarantee that Ingram starts over Dunbar at SLB and I doubt he'll be an every-down backer over Shanle if he does win the job. The Saints don't see as many passing attempts as you'd think -- teams try to control the clock early and their divisional opponents have been run heavy lately -- so the good matchups for the SLB are likely to continue to be relatively rare.I don't see much value for Ingram.

Jene, can you explain to me why Fujita PPG average was top 25 for LB in tackle heavy leagues then. Is he just a talented player. His PPG average has to be best among SLBs.

Was it really?In three years with the Saints, he's averaged 72.8 solos per 16 games. That would rank him outside the top 30 overall tacklers among linebackers in most years. His peripheral stats haven't been that impressive either -- averaging 1.2 sacks, 2.4 ff/fr, 0.8 INT and 2.8 PD per 16 games over that period.Last year, his 11 game numbers projected to 16 games yields a line of 63 solos, 22 assists, 1.5 sacks, 3 FF/FRs and 3 PDs. That looks like the definition of a marginal roster in any scoring system. Among SLBs in 2009, Brian Cushing, Quincy Black and Stephen Nicholas all equaled or far exceeded those numbers. I suppose Fujita could have ranked in the top 25 in PPG among all OLB. I may be missing something, but I can't think of a system that would have a 63-22-1.5 line among the top 25 overall linebackers.

 

[ATC1]

There are a couple of Jacksonville homers that will have better insight into why the Jaguars let Ingram go. I think it mostly had to do with his poor durability, his inability to hold up against the run and the improved depth with Russell Allen emerging and acquisition of Kirk Morrison. Gregg Williams knows him well from his time in Jacksonville and the Saints are really light on OLB talent. I don't think there's any guarantee that Ingram starts over Dunbar at SLB and I doubt he'll be an every-down backer over Shanle if he does win the job. The Saints don't see as many passing attempts as you'd think -- teams try to control the clock early and their divisional opponents have been run heavy lately -- so the good matchups for the SLB are likely to continue to be relatively rare.I don't see much value for Ingram.

Jene, can you explain to me why Fujita PPG average was top 25 for LB in tackle heavy leagues then. Is he just a talented player. His PPG average has to be best among SLBs.

Was it really?In three years with the Saints, he's averaged 72.8 solos per 16 games. That would rank him outside the top 30 overall tacklers among linebackers in most years. His peripheral stats haven't been that impressive either -- averaging 1.2 sacks, 2.4 ff/fr, 0.8 INT and 2.8 PD per 16 games over that period.Last year, his 11 game numbers projected to 16 games yields a line of 63 solos, 22 assists, 1.5 sacks, 3 FF/FRs and 3 PDs. That looks like the definition of a marginal roster in any scoring system. Among SLBs in 2009, Brian Cushing, Quincy Black and Stephen Nicholas all equaled or far exceeded those numbers. I suppose Fujita could have ranked in the top 25 in PPG among all OLB. I may be missing something, but I can't think of a system that would have a 63-22-1.5 line among the top 25 overall linebackers.

Sorry, I was looking at Keith Ellison's ppg. 15.6, Fujita's is 11.6. And Cushing owners would disagree. Making sure you are on your toes.