cnnsi mock draft (1 Viewer)

[Adrian Peterson]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...ft.1/index.html

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Wow has Mathias Kiwanuka's stock dropped that much?I thought he was a top 10 pick for sure

 

[Colin Dowling]

Wow has Mathias Kiwanuka's stock dropped that much?

I thought he was a top 10 pick for sure

He got owned by Ferguson last week and there is still a lot of talk that he lacks the technique and counter-moves to beat tackles consistently. There is little doubt that Williams will be the first DE off the board.

 

[Boston]

Wow has Mathias Kiwanuka's stock dropped that much?

I thought he was a top 10 pick for sure

Having watched all of BC's games this I can say I just wasn't overly impressed with him. He has talent and is a big time athlete but he was taken out of games this year. Granted he was being keyed on but it didn't seem like he had that extra gear to fight through it. If he succeeds in the pros it maybe as a KGB type but he definetly needs some work to be the force many thought he would be going into the 2005 season.

 

[Chaos Commish]

DeMeco Ryans before Hawk and Greenway is a real stretch at this point. Dumervil in the first round is very unlikely. Tye Hill should be the first pure cornerback picked (not counting Huff and Williams as pure corners), and he isn't in the first round. Ko Simpson is a mystery to me. I only saw his bowl game but he wasn't impressive, small, slow, and repeatedly burned. I think he falls out of the first round, but maybe it was just a terrible game. So many mocks (including mine) predict Holmes to the Eagles. This has to be wrong.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I agree that Ryans isn't going that high. DUmervil may sneak in to the end of Round 1. If not, I suspect that the Titans, Packers, or Raiders would bei nterested at the top of Rd. 2 if they don't take Williams in Rd 1.

 

[dcgangstas]

DeMeco Ryans before Hawk and Greenway is a real stretch at this point. Dumervil in the first round is very unlikely. Tye Hill should be the first pure cornerback picked (not counting Huff and Williams as pure corners), and he isn't in the first round. Ko Simpson is a mystery to me. I only saw his bowl game but he wasn't impressive, small, slow, and repeatedly burned. I think he falls out of the first round, but maybe it was just a terrible game. So many mocks (including mine) predict Holmes to the Eagles. This has to be wrong.

I agree that I can't see Ryans going before Hawk. I don't see Hawk falling past Oakland personally, and Hawk is chosen ONLY if Mario Williams is off the board. Rob Ryan would soil himself if Williams is still on the board when the Beloved Silver and Black make their choice.

 

[jeter23]

Wow has Mathias Kiwanuka's stock dropped that much?

I thought he was a top 10 pick for sure

Kiper has said several times this week that his stock was dropping and he was getting abused by Ferguson, then yesterday Gil Brandt said he was having a great week. Makes me wonder what he saw (or didn't see?)

 

[Rev]

I don't think Williams goes before Lendale White. White showed too much in the Rose Bowl, IMO. Moroney's stock will skyrocket if he goes to Indy, though right now he is on the 1st round bubble.

 

[Jason Wood]

DeMeco Ryans before Hawk and Greenway is a real stretch at this point. Dumervil in the first round is very unlikely. Tye Hill should be the first pure cornerback picked (not counting Huff and Williams as pure corners), and he isn't in the first round. Ko Simpson is a mystery to me. I only saw his bowl game but he wasn't impressive, small, slow, and repeatedly burned. I think he falls out of the first round, but maybe it was just a terrible game. So many mocks (including mine) predict Holmes to the Eagles. This has to be wrong.

Greenway had been overshadowed somewhat by Ryans and Hawk this season but really re-established himself as an elite talent. I think Hawk and Greenway will be high picks, top-15 for sure [with Hawk a mortal lock for the top-10], but Ryans had his detractors this week [small and stiff were the two most commonly voiced concerns]. I still think Ryans is a 1st rounder as long as he has a solid Pro Day, but he didn't help himself in Mobile.

 

[Capella]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Or if someone like DeAngelo Williams goes to Minnesota, or LenDale White to Baltimore. There are lots of scenarios where I could see Reggie Bush NOT being the top dynasty pick.

 

[diesel7982]

I read pretty much this exact same mock draft at nflcountdown.com.Kiwi is falling due to a shoulder injury, which was likely the reason he was so badly abused by Fergie this week. On a completely different note, how glad would the Texans be to have Winston available to them at the top of Rd 2?

 

[BGP]

I just don't know if the Browns can afford to draft defense here. They were last in the NFL in points scored. They certainly looked like they had no business calling themselves an NFL offense. They need high draft picks on the OL.

 

[gump]

but Ryans had his detractors this week [small and stiff were the two most commonly voiced concerns]. I still think Ryans is a 1st rounder as long as he has a solid Pro Day, but he didn't help himself in Mobile.

I hope you're right, Jason. I would love for the Bucs to take Ryans at 23 to eventually replace Derrick Brooks. He seems to be a clone to me.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I just don't know if the Browns can afford to draft defense here. They were last in the NFL in points scored. They certainly looked like they had no business calling themselves an NFL offense. They need high draft picks on the OL.

That was my thinking the first time I attempted a mock, but Savage and Crennel have been very candid about drafting defense early and often. They want a nose tackle and a pass rusher.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Maroney IS going to Indy...For the Combine.

He's currently working out in Arizona and the guy training him is hinting that Maroney is going to clock a very impressive 40. If he has a great Combine the Colts can probably forget about him with the 30th pick. He could become a Patriot with the 21st pick, which would still increase his fantasy value. It's a little hard to imagine the Pats drafting an RB though.

 

[BGP]

I just don't know if the Browns can afford to draft defense here. They were last in the NFL in points scored. They certainly looked like they had no business calling themselves an NFL offense. They need high draft picks on the OL.

That was my thinking the first time I attempted a mock, but Savage and Crennel have been very candid about drafting defense early and often. They want a nose tackle and a pass rusher.

Well there better be lots of free agent money spent on that offense then. Its been incredibly painful watching the Cleveland Browns offense since 1990, let me tell you.

 

[JaxBill]

I just don't know if the Browns can afford to draft defense here.  They were last in the NFL in points scored.  They certainly looked like they had no business calling themselves an NFL offense.  They need high draft picks on the OL.

That was my thinking the first time I attempted a mock, but Savage and Crennel have been very candid about drafting defense early and often. They want a nose tackle and a pass rusher.

And the only time an NFL GM lies about who he's drafting is when his lips move.

 

[BGP]

I just don't know if the Browns can afford to draft defense here. They were last in the NFL in points scored. They certainly looked like they had no business calling themselves an NFL offense. They need high draft picks on the OL.

That was my thinking the first time I attempted a mock, but Savage and Crennel have been very candid about drafting defense early and often. They want a nose tackle and a pass rusher.

Well there better be lots of free agent money spent on that offense then. Its been incredibly painful watching the Cleveland Browns offense since 1990, let me tell you.

Fun fact: Since 1990, the Browns have been in the top half of clubs in scoring offense once (1994). That year they were 11th in points scored.

 

[3C's]

I don't think Williams goes before Lendale White.

Moroney's stock will skyrocket if he goes to Indy, though right now he is on the 1st round bubble.

I do. He's a LT2 type of guy.Maroney won't make it out of the 1st round.

Observation: No way the Steelers take Chad Jackson in the first.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I just don't know if the Browns can afford to draft defense here. They were last in the NFL in points scored. They certainly looked like they had no business calling themselves an NFL offense. They need high draft picks on the OL.

That was my thinking the first time I attempted a mock, but Savage and Crennel have been very candid about drafting defense early and often. They want a nose tackle and a pass rusher.

And the only time an NFL GM lies about who he's drafting is when his lips move.

They weren't talking about who they're drafting. They were just being very candid about what the team needs the most. It was sort of a Cleveland State of the Union Address. They're happy at LT and they like their skill position players (enough). No need to address the other OL positions too early when the the team's two biggest problems being stopping the run and rushing the passer. The available talent for those duties will be gone in two rounds. I'm sure they'll add a quality o-lineman. They have to, but since LTs go early and the others seem to linger and they really want to getter better on the front seven defensively... I'd bet good money they go defense in the first round. Jerry Jones gushed over DeMarcus Ware last year and he drafted him. His lips moved and he told the truth.

 

[-OZ-]

I don't think Williams goes before Lendale White.

Moroney's stock will skyrocket if he goes to Indy, though right now he is on the 1st round bubble.

I do. He's a LT2 type of guy.Maroney won't make it out of the 1st round.

Observation: No way the Steelers take Chad Jackson in the first.

I agree on D-Will except really don't see LT type potential there. More along the lines of Deuce, which still isn't bad.I don't see 4 RBs in the 1st round this year.

Agreed on Chad Jackson, but I can see another better WR.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Jimmy Williams at 19 for SD would be a steal.I heard he might have some character issues, does anyone here know what they are??

 

[Dave Stauff]

I'm pleased to see they have the Seahawks picking 32nd

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Or if someone like DeAngelo Williams goes to Minnesota, or LenDale White to Baltimore. There are lots of scenarios where I could see Reggie Bush NOT being the top dynasty pick.

I don't even need to see the draft happen and I can say that unless someone trades up, I won't have Bush 1st in dynasty drafts. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his utilization. The Texans won't have him returning kicks, the Titans won't have him returning kicks. If he ends up on the Saints, he'll be splitting with Deuce. If he ends up on the Jets, I'm not sure his line and new system make him the #1. Colin

 

[Chaos Commish]

Jimmy Williams at 19 for SD would be a steal.

I heard he might have some character issues, does anyone here know what they are??

I agree he'd be a steal there, and that's exactly where I projected him. I have also heard about character issues, but I haven't been able to substantiate anything even by surfing VT football message boards. As best I can tell, he's just a little bit of a punk or a thug mentally. He's arrogant on the field and got booted from his last game for "touching" an official. It looked very minor. He did try to turn the official to face him, and that's pretty dumb. Who knows what was said, but I expect it was attitude more than touching that got him booted. He was projected in the top 10 most of the year. The size speed and talent is there. He can't get much lower than this projection unless the character issues are real and uncovered in the testing process, but he can probably increase his status a good 5-8 spots above the Chargers.

 

[Hendo]

if rumors are true and Martz goes to Detroit as their OC... and if they draft Cutler who will take him over Lienart or Young?

 

[Cookiemonster]

3rd agreed on Jackson to Pitt. I like Gabe Watson here or Blue maybe if Huff/Cromie/Williams are gone. O-line depth is a need and O-line is also soooo good this year. WR sucks in this year's draft and FA. Hope they resign El.I could also see Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland and Miami going O-line in both 1st and 2nd to put them all right back in contention. Oakland and Miami may opt for D, but O-line is just as much a need. Sustaining a drive helps your D tremendously.

 

[3C's]

Jimmy Williams at 19 for SD would be a steal.

I heard he might have some character issues, does anyone here know what they are??

I agree he'd be a steal there, and that's exactly where I projected him. I have also heard about character issues, but I haven't been able to substantiate anything even by surfing VT football message boards. As best I can tell, he's just a little bit of a punk or a thug mentally. He's arrogant on the field and got booted from his last game for "touching" an official. It looked very minor. He did try to turn the official to face him, and that's pretty dumb. Who knows what was said, but I expect it was attitude more than touching that got him booted. He was projected in the top 10 most of the year. The size speed and talent is there. He can't get much lower than this projection unless the character issues are real and uncovered in the testing process, but he can probably increase his status a good 5-8 spots above the Chargers.

Williams went to HS where I used to live. Never heard a bad word about him. Like a lot of top tier players, he has a bit of arrogance (cocky) to him. He'll mature with age.And the ejection was crap. He "barked" at an official because he didn't get a call, tried to walk away and the official grabbed his arm. Williams jerked his arm away and when he did he "touched" the official. The official went on a power trip and had him ejected.

 

[-OZ-]

Like a lot of top tier players, he has a bit of arrogance (cocky) to him. He'll mature with age.

We see this a lot in posts, but I have yet to see where a "bit of arrogance" is a bad thing. Just keep it below TO level, and it can be above Barry Sanders. Either side of those extremes and I don't want the player. In between, no problem.

 

[matuski]

The Lions, just by the percentages of dumb luck are due to make a solid first round pick...Right?

 

[Dreamer]

The Lions, just by the percentages of dumb luck are due to make a solid first round pick...

Right?

I think Santonio Holmes will do well for them.

 

[Whatevaman15]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Or if someone like DeAngelo Williams goes to Minnesota, or LenDale White to Baltimore. There are lots of scenarios where I could see Reggie Bush NOT being the top dynasty pick.

I don't even need to see the draft happen and I can say that unless someone trades up, I won't have Bush 1st in dynasty drafts. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his utilization. The Texans won't have him returning kicks, the Titans won't have him returning kicks. If he ends up on the Saints, he'll be splitting with Deuce. If he ends up on the Jets, I'm not sure his line and new system make him the #1. Colin

Passing over talent for situation can be a dangerous mistress. For example, all the guys who passed up Tomlinson for Michael Bennett because Bennett was thought to be in the ideal situation.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Jimmy Williams at 19 for SD would be a steal.

I heard he might have some character issues, does anyone here know what they are??

I agree he'd be a steal there, and that's exactly where I projected him. I have also heard about character issues, but I haven't been able to substantiate anything even by surfing VT football message boards. As best I can tell, he's just a little bit of a punk or a thug mentally. He's arrogant on the field and got booted from his last game for "touching" an official. It looked very minor. He did try to turn the official to face him, and that's pretty dumb. Who knows what was said, but I expect it was attitude more than touching that got him booted. He was projected in the top 10 most of the year. The size speed and talent is there. He can't get much lower than this projection unless the character issues are real and uncovered in the testing process, but he can probably increase his status a good 5-8 spots above the Chargers.

Williams went to HS where I used to live. Never heard a bad word about him. Like a lot of top tier players, he has a bit of arrogance (cocky) to him. He'll mature with age.And the ejection was crap. He "barked" at an official because he didn't get a call, tried to walk away and the official grabbed his arm. Williams jerked his arm away and when he did he "touched" the official. The official went on a power trip and had him ejected.

Maybe I saw the ejection incident wrong. It did happen fast, and I wasn't paying real close attention, but I seem to remember the ref walking in front of Williams, and Williams grabbing (gently like you would grab your daughter) the official's arm and sort of turning him, as if to say, "Hey, I'm talking to you." It was not aggressive. Anyway, you probably paid closer attention than I did, and I'm inclined the believe the character issue is BS. Arrogance can be a good thing especially in a DB. His drop in stock the last couple of months is related to some mediocre games, and Huff playing exceptionally at Texas, but it's also being exaggerated by a media perceived character issue.

 

[Dreamer]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Or if someone like DeAngelo Williams goes to Minnesota, or LenDale White to Baltimore. There are lots of scenarios where I could see Reggie Bush NOT being the top dynasty pick.

I don't even need to see the draft happen and I can say that unless someone trades up, I won't have Bush 1st in dynasty drafts. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his utilization. The Texans won't have him returning kicks, the Titans won't have him returning kicks. If he ends up on the Saints, he'll be splitting with Deuce. If he ends up on the Jets, I'm not sure his line and new system make him the #1. Colin

Passing over talent for situation can be a dangerous mistress. For example, all the guys who passed up Tomlinson for Michael Bennett because Bennett was thought to be in the ideal situation.

SHUT UP.

 

[Mr. Vegas]

Wow has Mathias Kiwanuka's stock dropped that much?

I thought he was a top 10 pick for sure

Who?

 

[Limp Ditka]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Or if someone like DeAngelo Williams goes to Minnesota, or LenDale White to Baltimore. There are lots of scenarios where I could see Reggie Bush NOT being the top dynasty pick.

I don't even need to see the draft happen and I can say that unless someone trades up, I won't have Bush 1st in dynasty drafts. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his utilization. The Texans won't have him returning kicks, the Titans won't have him returning kicks. If he ends up on the Saints, he'll be splitting with Deuce. If he ends up on the Jets, I'm not sure his line and new system make him the #1. Colin

Passing over talent for situation can be a dangerous mistress. For example, all the guys who passed up Tomlinson for Michael Bennett because Bennett was thought to be in the ideal situation.

SHUT UP.

Did anything he say really warrant that?

 

[Dreamer]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Or if someone like DeAngelo Williams goes to Minnesota, or LenDale White to Baltimore. There are lots of scenarios where I could see Reggie Bush NOT being the top dynasty pick.

I don't even need to see the draft happen and I can say that unless someone trades up, I won't have Bush 1st in dynasty drafts. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his utilization. The Texans won't have him returning kicks, the Titans won't have him returning kicks. If he ends up on the Saints, he'll be splitting with Deuce. If he ends up on the Jets, I'm not sure his line and new system make him the #1. Colin

Passing over talent for situation can be a dangerous mistress. For example, all the guys who passed up Tomlinson for Michael Bennett because Bennett was thought to be in the ideal situation.

SHUT UP.

Did anything he say really warrant that?

j/k

I'm not really that bitter.

 

[-OZ-]

I don't even need to see the draft happen and I can say that unless someone trades up, I won't have Bush 1st in dynasty drafts. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his utilization. The Texans won't have him returning kicks, the Titans won't have him returning kicks. If he ends up on the Saints, he'll be splitting with Deuce. If he ends up on the Jets, I'm not sure his line and new system make him the #1.

Colin

Passing over talent for situation can be a dangerous mistress. For example, all the guys who passed up Tomlinson for Michael Bennett because Bennett was thought to be in the ideal situation.

While I agree in principle, if you're going to compare Bennett and LT, you have to remember 2002 - first two RBs taken, William Green and Duckett. Most would have said they both were more talented than Clinton Portis.

 

[BGP]

Like a lot of top tier players, he has a bit of arrogance (cocky) to him. He'll mature with age.

We see this a lot in posts, but I have yet to see where a "bit of arrogance" is a bad thing. Just keep it below TO level, and it can be above Barry Sanders. Either side of those extremes and I don't want the player. In between, no problem.

The truth is that we really don't know the overwhelming majority of these guys on a personal basis. If the media doesn't like you, it will launch personal attacks and try to get the public mad. If the media does like you, any personal events in your life that might draw attention will get buried. Its always been like that. When Belichick was losing in Cleveland, they assaulted him personally all day. Now that he wins super bowls, the media overlooks all the odd things he does and would have you believe he simply got a personality transplant at age 40-something. I think everyone here knows exactly what is going to happen next. If he stops winning super bowls, the media will start launch peronal attacks on him all over again. Its a lock.

Don't get caught up in that slime.

 

[Biabreakable]

I think for all the Reggie Bush dynasty talk, if Maroney goes to Indy, then people with the top pick overall are going to have a hell of a decision.

Or if someone like DeAngelo Williams goes to Minnesota, or LenDale White to Baltimore. There are lots of scenarios where I could see Reggie Bush NOT being the top dynasty pick.

I don't even need to see the draft happen and I can say that unless someone trades up, I won't have Bush 1st in dynasty drafts. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his utilization. The Texans won't have him returning kicks, the Titans won't have him returning kicks. If he ends up on the Saints, he'll be splitting with Deuce. If he ends up on the Jets, I'm not sure his line and new system make him the #1. Colin

Passing over talent for situation can be a dangerous mistress. For example, all the guys who passed up Tomlinson for Michael Bennett because Bennett was thought to be in the ideal situation.

SHUT UP.

I would be very suprised if all 3 TEs are drafted in the 1st round. I think Oline is being overlooked in this draft as ushual. It has been understandable for the past couple years that have lacked offensive line talent. But this year doesen't and teams will look to restock thier lines early and often.