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i know that the GB WR have been discussed elsewhere, so sorry if this new post offends...but i thought i throw this out given jennings injury concerns.

the GB offense is loaded with talent as long as rodgers is slinging it. the run game is still very non existent with benson.

cobb has emerged as a playmaker who the coach wants to get the ball in his hands more. he lines up in the backfield, motions out or receives dump offs. there's even talk that he might now get carries from the backfield.

jones has been a highly touted GB wr for years now, but has never really lived up to the hype. too inconsistent (or just too many weapons in GB).

IMHO: cobb is the more dynamic player with the higher ceiling, and probably SLIGHTLY lower floor, while jones in jennings' aabsence could really shine (but we haven't seen it yet in him...you kinda know what you're getting with jones at this point...)

in leagues that don't reward points for return yards:

with jennings out thursday night who is the better value now?

who is the better value going forward?

 
Gun to head I would pick Cobb tonight and long term.

Both were very productive week 1, but it's Cobb that would see starter caliber snaps for the first time in his career tonight if Jennings is a no go. That alone is intriguing against a team that can be gashed over the middle.

When Jennings returns, the Packers will have some big decisions to make on who their top 3 WR's are. If Cobb is indeed their most versatile weapon, then I think it's safe to say he won't continue to get WR4 snaps going forward like he did week 1. Nelson and a healthy Jennings are locks to play in 3 WR sets so if they decide that Cobb's too valuable to take off the field, you'd likely see Jennings go back outside with Nelson and Cobb into the slot getting starters snaps while Jones goes back into the rotation.

I think it's clear that the Packers have big plans for Cobb - if he's up to the task. Jones could very easily be back to a rotational WR4 if that happens.

I'm sick of talking about these guys, let's play the game already! :banned:

 
Jones could very easily be back to a rotational WR4 if that happens.
I think Cobb has more fantasy upside but given the snap count Jones had in Week 1 when Jennings was on the field for nearly the entire game I think both figure prominently in the team's plans this season. The WR being phased out is Driver. Unless Jones falls apart (not out of the question given his inconsistency to this point in his career), he appears primed for a big role this season.
 
I go with Jones by a small margin.

Jones is in the best shape of his career, having rededicated himself this offseason. WR coach Edgar Bennett says he has been vastly improved when it comes to not dropping passes. Looks like he may have worked himself into the outside WR role in this offense.

People are excited about Cobb and for good reason, but I think it may be another season before we see him really as a main cog in this offense. I wouldn't over react to week 1. An interesting statistic from another thread is that his targets in week 1 were an average of only 1.8 yards downfield. Jones outproduced him on fewer targets and he'll get the opportunities to make big plays. Cobb may be nothing more than a band aid for the lack of a running game and his week 1 stats are more likely to be based on a gameplan specific to playing against SF than a trend for the season.

So I say Jones would be the guy I want going forward this season. Coin flip tonight if Jennings is out because Cobb should see a bump in snaps if that is the case.

 
I'm not sure if Cobb/Jones heavy was the gameplan last week but it happened. To me they're are both products of Rogers being the best QB in the league. Jennings and Nelson are elite talents on their own. Right now if last week indicates what Cobb workload will look like then I'd go Cobb. Once Saine or Green find a grove he could be back to taking less snaps. I'm intrigued but not all in yet.

 
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I think Cobb has better value going forward, even if Jennings is out for an extended period of time, which is where Jones will have the best value. It seems like the Packers use Cobb in so many different ways, that he benifits from a lot of different situations, especially if the Packers continue having the RB's they have, you will see Cobb coming out of the backfield more and more.

 
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'BallparkFrank said:
Jones could very easily be back to a rotational WR4 if that happens.
I think Cobb has more fantasy upside but given the snap count Jones had in Week 1 when Jennings was on the field for nearly the entire game I think both figure prominently in the team's plans this season. The WR being phased out is Driver. Unless Jones falls apart (not out of the question given his inconsistency to this point in his career), he appears primed for a big role this season.
My gut feeling is that you will need to be top 3 in WR snaps to have any chance to be a consistent fantasy producer. Jennings and Nelson are locks for 2 of those spots when healthy and so that final spot hinges solely on Cobb's development, imo. If Randall Cobb is the weapon they think he is, there is NO way they will continue to give him just 35 snaps a game or whatever he had in week 1. He will need to be elevated into that top 3 if he continues to be the real deal and so Jones is the only logical guy to take the snap cut. I think there's a very real chance that we see Cobb quickly become a 55-60 snap/week guy which would have a huge impact on Jones. All just my opinion, of course.
 
Long term? Cobb, by a lot. I'd take Cobb tonight too, but that's because I don't trust Jones. He's been given good opportunities before and dropped the ball, literally, repeatedly. He could do something, but I won't be finding out with him on my teams.

 
I'm not sure if Cobb/Jones heavy was the gameplan last week but it happened. To me they're are both products of Rogers being the best QB in the league. Jennings and Nelson are elite talents on their own. Right now if last week indicates what Cobb workload will look like then I'd go Cobb. Once Saine or Green find a grove he could be back to taking less snaps. I'm intrigued but not all in yet.
They were working on Cobb out of the backfield prior to Saine getting hurt. Cobb is a match up nightmare... Saine/Green aren't. As a die-hard packer fan and an owner of both Jones and Cobb, value short and long term is Cobb IMO. He's a Percy Harvin type, maybe not as talented, but in a much better offense with the best player in the league throwing him the ball.
 
You never know when the lightbulb will turn on for certain players. If you have to choose one I'd go with Cobb but I'd try to hedge that with a JJ pickup.

If JJ has a huge game tonight if/when either Nelson or Jennings get hurt he's an auto play.

 
It can be more about targets and offensive focus than snaps. Cobb seems to be the #1-2 read on his snaps while Jones is more like the #2-4 on his.

Return yardage and high target conversion are also in Cobb's favor.

 
It seems like most think that Cobb is the obvious better value, both tonight, the rest of this season, and beyond. I agree that very long term (seasons into the future) Cobb is more valuable than Jones.

But, I have some questions for you all. If Cobb is so great, how come he isn't starting at WR? How come James Jones is starting on the outside and Cobb isn't? Why isn't Jennings starting on the outside with Cobb in the slot and Jones as the 4th guy?

I think it is very telling. Is Cobb an exciting player who can make things happen? Obviously and that is why he returns punts and kicks. The Packers clearly would like to find ways to bring that ability to the field, which is why they're experimenting with putting him in the backfield. They would like to utilize him.

But IMO clearly he isn't ready to be an every down receiver simply playing outside or in the slot. If he was he would be. Some of you seem to not have a very high opinion of James Jones... well if he isn't that good why is he keeping Cobb from seeing the field more?

 
CobbJones too inconsistent to ever be long term starter.
Has Cobb ever proven to be consistent? If he was so consistent he would probably already be starting, not Jones.So far we know Cobb is electric as a punt/kick returner. He had 24 catches last year. Where is the evidence that he is ready to assume a starting receiver role for this team?
 
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-put-cobb-in-positions-to-succeed-fi6rd6h-169569166.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Interesting read. Yes they are trying to find ways to involve him. But notice this:

"The Packers returned all five of their wide receivers this season. At running back, Cobb finds a way onto the field."

If he is better than Jones why doesn't he find a way onto the field by starting at WR over him?

Then rotoworld on Jones:

"If not for a ticky-tack offensive pass interference call, his stat line would have read 5/114/1 versus the 49ers"

This is a good point and I forgot about that. It was incredibly ticky tacky considering the defensive pass interference that wasn't being called against the Niners.

 
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CobbJones too inconsistent to ever be long term starter.
Has Cobb ever proven to be consistent? If he was so consistent he would probably already be starting, not Jones.So far we know Cobb is electric as a punt/kick returner. He had 24 catches last year. Where is the evidence that he is ready to assume a starting receiver role for this team?
You could obviously point to age/experience as reasons, but I would point to the fact that over the past 3 years, James Jones has the 2nd worst drop percentage rate in the NFL (Pro Football Focus). He has failed to do anything consistently while Cobb has all the electric traits that you mention and an off the charts catch percentage. All he needs now is the opportunity and if week 1 is any indication, he's going to start getting it. Time will tell if he can take advantage of it.That said, I still believe Jones can be a productive WR in this offense.
 
CobbJones too inconsistent to ever be long term starter.
Has Cobb ever proven to be consistent? If he was so consistent he would probably already be starting, not Jones.So far we know Cobb is electric as a punt/kick returner. He had 24 catches last year. Where is the evidence that he is ready to assume a starting receiver role for this team?
Cobb will be the jack of all trades as lined up in Week 1. It really won't matter if Cobb is 'starting' or not. Cobb >>>> Jones. Not close. Cobb is going to see the ball a ton this year. Floor is 70 catches [i'm projecting mid 80's]. :popcorn: Your evidence will be when this season is complete and look at the stats.He's this year's NFL nightmare matchup that the opposition is going have fits trying to stop all year.
 
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CobbJones too inconsistent to ever be long term starter.
Has Cobb ever proven to be consistent? If he was so consistent he would probably already be starting, not Jones.So far we know Cobb is electric as a punt/kick returner. He had 24 catches last year. Where is the evidence that he is ready to assume a starting receiver role for this team?
Cobb will be the jack of all trades as lined up in Week 1. It really won't matter if Cobb is 'starting' or not. Cobb >>>> Jones. Not close. Cobb is going to see the ball a ton this year. Floor is 70 catches [i'm projecting mid 80's]. :popcorn: Your evidence will be when this season is complete and look at the stats.He's this year's NFL nightmare matchup that the opposition is going have fits trying to stop all year.
Again... if Cobb >>>> Jones, then why is Jones keeping Cobb off the field? Yes it does matter that Jones is starting and Cobb their just trying to find wrinkles to work him in.The Packers WR coach, Edgar Bennett, seems to think otherwise. He's said that Nelson and Jones had the best camp. Guess you know something he doesn't.The hype around Cobb is almost out of control. It is reaching Dez Bryant levels... only Bryant actually had almost 1000 and 9 last year.
 
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Cobb will be the jack of all trades as lined up in Week 1. It really won't matter if Cobb is 'starting' or not. Cobb >>>> Jones. Not close. Cobb is going to see the ball a ton this year. Floor is 70 catches [i'm projecting mid 80's]. :popcorn: Your evidence will be when this season is complete and look at the stats.He's this year's NFL nightmare matchup that the opposition is going have fits trying to stop all year.
:yes: :goodposting:
 
I'm not sure if Cobb/Jones heavy was the gameplan last week but it happened. To me they're are both products of Rogers being the best QB in the league. Jennings and Nelson are elite talents on their own. Right now if last week indicates what Cobb workload will look like then I'd go Cobb. Once Saine or Green find a grove he could be back to taking less snaps. I'm intrigued but not all in yet.
They were working on Cobb out of the backfield prior to Saine getting hurt. Cobb is a match up nightmare... Saine/Green aren't.

As a die-hard packer fan and an owner of both Jones and Cobb, value short and long term is Cobb IMO. He's a Percy Harvin type, maybe not as talented, but in a much better offense with the best player in the league throwing him the ball.
Can't agree with that. Saine is 220 w 4.3 speed. Green, injuries aside, was 225 w 4.4 speed. Cobb is slower than both and smaller. I like Cobb for the moment. I'm only hesitant because I've seen Rodgers turn guys into one week wonders only for them to disappear next week(James Jones had 81 and a TD). Benson stinks and so does Gb run game. If they turn to Sain/Green then Cobb won't see those swing passes anymore because both of those guys have nice hands. On the other hand you can't ignore that he could be this years Antonio Brown the way they looked for him in week 1. I'm half in, half out on Cobb.

 
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Cobb will be the jack of all trades as lined up in Week 1. It really won't matter if Cobb is 'starting' or not. Cobb >>>> Jones. Not close. Cobb is going to see the ball a ton this year. Floor is 70 catches [i'm projecting mid 80's]. :popcorn: Your evidence will be when this season is complete and look at the stats.He's this year's NFL nightmare matchup that the opposition is going have fits trying to stop all year.
:yes: :goodposting:
Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
 
Cobb will be the jack of all trades as lined up in Week 1. It really won't matter if Cobb is 'starting' or not. Cobb >>>> Jones. Not close. Cobb is going to see the ball a ton this year. Floor is 70 catches [i'm projecting mid 80's]. :popcorn: Your evidence will be when this season is complete and look at the stats.He's this year's NFL nightmare matchup that the opposition is going have fits trying to stop all year.
:yes: :goodposting:
Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
70 catches might not be out of the question. He already has 9. 4 catches per game going forward is realistic. Rodgers is on pace for 700 pass attempts.If the Packers continue to be this bad running the ball that is where part of it will come from. However... all his targets came near the line of scrimmage and he averaged less than 10 yds per catch. Meanwhile Jones averaged more than 20 yds per catch. I don't expect that to change given their roles in the offense. This is being completely overlooked by those saying snap count doesn't matter, targets do. Production per target matters as well. If you want to talk about opportunity you need to take that into consideration.
 
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I think the matchup vs. SF is being overlooked.

1) The Packers copied NO's game plan from the playoffs last year

2) The Niners will not allow a pedestrian running team like the Packers to do anything on the ground

Against lesser running defenses, if the Packers can get a running game going, you'll see less involvement from Cobb.

 
Cobb will be the jack of all trades as lined up in Week 1. It really won't matter if Cobb is 'starting' or not. Cobb >>>> Jones. Not close. Cobb is going to see the ball a ton this year. Floor is 70 catches [i'm projecting mid 80's]. :popcorn: Your evidence will be when this season is complete and look at the stats.He's this year's NFL nightmare matchup that the opposition is going have fits trying to stop all year.
:yes: :goodposting:
Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
70 catches might not be out of the question. He already has 9. 4 catches per game going forward is realistic. Rodgers is on pace for 700 pass attempts.If the Packers continue to be this bad running the ball that is where part of it will come from. However... all his targets came near the line of scrimmage and he averaged less than 10 yds per catch. Meanwhile Jones averaged more than 20 yds per catch. I don't expect that to change given their roles in the offense. This is being completely overlooked by those saying snap count doesn't matter, targets do. Production per target matters as well. If you want to talk about opportunity you need to take that into consideration.
My point being that it's basically a zero sum game. Say we agree that Cobb is going to do 70 catches - but at which other WR's expense? I can easily see him taking a handful of TDs away from Nelson - I doubt he will approach 15 again.Not to derail the topic but i also do not think they will phase out Jennings (except in a possible trade). That would not bode well for them to slight Jennings in a FA year.
 
Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
Where did it come from Week 1 when he produced (in limited snaps)?Cobb is going to produce when he's on the field. He'll be the most dangerous weapon on the Packers outside of Rodgers by year's end IMO. He probably already is when you factor in his ST play.

Do I think he'll ever be the prototype receiver Nelson is? Likely not.

Cobb is going to terrorize the league this year. Maybe the league eventually adjusts. Likely they don't because they can't focus on Cobb with Nelson/Jennings/Finley/Jones.

We're not talking some mid career experiment like Devin Hester where he's being asked to be WR1 trying to be that prototype WR. Neither guys are that.

 
I got both Jones and Cobb in my dynasty league. I think I'm gonna roll them both into the lineup tonight with Jennings out. I have a feeling that Green Bay is going to put a show on tonight and drop 40 on Chicago at home.

 
Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
Where did it come from Week 1 when he produced (in limited snaps)?Cobb is going to produce when he's on the field. He'll be the most dangerous weapon on the Packers outside of Rodgers by year's end IMO. He probably already is when you factor in his ST play.

Do I think he'll ever be the prototype receiver Nelson is? Likely not.

Cobb is going to terrorize the league this year. Maybe the league eventually adjusts. Likely they don't because they can't focus on Cobb with Nelson/Jennings/Finley/Jones.

We're not talking some mid career experiment like Devin Hester where he's being asked to be WR1 trying to be that prototype WR. Neither guys are that.
Dude... I just don't understand how you could think this. If he is so amazing why doesn't he just start at WR? The Packers got their ###es handed to them last week. It didn't exactly look like a recipe for terrorizing the league. He averaged less than 10 ypr. It looked more like a stifling defense wouldn't allow them to get any of the more explosive parts of their offense working.

Did you watch the game?

 
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Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
Where did it come from Week 1 when he produced (in limited snaps)?Cobb is going to produce when he's on the field. He'll be the most dangerous weapon on the Packers outside of Rodgers by year's end IMO. He probably already is when you factor in his ST play.

Do I think he'll ever be the prototype receiver Nelson is? Likely not.

Cobb is going to terrorize the league this year. Maybe the league eventually adjusts. Likely they don't because they can't focus on Cobb with Nelson/Jennings/Finley/Jones.

We're not talking some mid career experiment like Devin Hester where he's being asked to be WR1 trying to be that prototype WR. Neither guys are that.
Great post. They're going to get him the ball whether he lines up in slot or in the backfield.Really nervous about him tonight. Got the feeling he's going to be the league's breakout player this year. Guy is simply electric on the field. Fairly obvious from Game 1 that the Pack realize that.

 
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Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
Where did it come from Week 1 when he produced (in limited snaps)?Cobb is going to produce when he's on the field. He'll be the most dangerous weapon on the Packers outside of Rodgers by year's end IMO. He probably already is when you factor in his ST play.

Do I think he'll ever be the prototype receiver Nelson is? Likely not.

Cobb is going to terrorize the league this year. Maybe the league eventually adjusts. Likely they don't because they can't focus on Cobb with Nelson/Jennings/Finley/Jones.

We're not talking some mid career experiment like Devin Hester where he's being asked to be WR1 trying to be that prototype WR. Neither guys are that.
Great post. They're going to get him the ball whether he lines up in slot or in the backfield.Really nervous about him tonight. Got the feeling he's going to be the league's breakout player this year. Guy is simply electric on the field. Fairly obvious from Game 1 that the Pack realize that.
As a Packers fan I really hope we don't become a dink and dunk offense like we were forced to be last week. If how we used Cobb last week becomes our bread and butter then your Bears will definitely win the division.
 
Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
Where did it come from Week 1 when he produced (in limited snaps)?Cobb is going to produce when he's on the field. He'll be the most dangerous weapon on the Packers outside of Rodgers by year's end IMO. He probably already is when you factor in his ST play.

Do I think he'll ever be the prototype receiver Nelson is? Likely not.

Cobb is going to terrorize the league this year. Maybe the league eventually adjusts. Likely they don't because they can't focus on Cobb with Nelson/Jennings/Finley/Jones.

We're not talking some mid career experiment like Devin Hester where he's being asked to be WR1 trying to be that prototype WR. Neither guys are that.
Great post. They're going to get him the ball whether he lines up in slot or in the backfield.Really nervous about him tonight. Got the feeling he's going to be the league's breakout player this year. Guy is simply electric on the field. Fairly obvious from Game 1 that the Pack realize that.
As a Packers fan I really hope we don't become a dink and dunk offense like we were forced to be last week. If how we used Cobb last week becomes our bread and butter then your Bears will definitely win the division.
After watching the game I felt as if Rodgers was targeting Finley/Cobb much more than usual. SF's secondary did an amazing job covering Jordy and Jennings. Although it wasn't fluky, I don't see Rodgers playing Pennington ball as often as we saw last week.
 
Jones hands down. Cobb is the most hyped WW pickup. 9-9, extremely poor YAC and most were dings. Eddie Royal comes to mind. No value unless you get return yards. First huge, overestimated WW/ roster player for the year.

 
Jones hands down. Cobb is the most hyped WW pickup. 9-9, extremely poor YAC and most were dings. Eddie Royal comes to mind. No value unless you get return yards. First huge, overestimated WW/ roster player for the year.
Dinged already. Oh well. I feel bad because I actually love the guy as a return man.
 
He would of been in on offense for half the snaps than he had if the running game got going. Anyone watch the game? Really?

Big Bust #1 for the year. He"ll be available on most WW by week 7 the latest--week 5 in short bench leagues.

Not stating this is wrong - but I would ask either of you, where that production is coming from? I would be curious to see catch, yd, td projections on Jennings-Nelson- Cobb-Jones-Finley
Where did it come from Week 1 when he produced (in limited snaps)?Cobb is going to produce when he's on the field. He'll be the most dangerous weapon on the Packers outside of Rodgers by year's end IMO. He probably already is when you factor in his ST play.

Do I think he'll ever be the prototype receiver Nelson is? Likely not.

Cobb is going to terrorize the league this year. Maybe the league eventually adjusts. Likely they don't because they can't focus on Cobb with Nelson/Jennings/Finley/Jones.

We're not talking some mid career experiment like Devin Hester where he's being asked to be WR1 trying to be that prototype WR. Neither guys are that.
Great post. They're going to get him the ball whether he lines up in slot or in the backfield.Really nervous about him tonight. Got the feeling he's going to be the league's breakout player this year. Guy is simply electric on the field. Fairly obvious from Game 1 that the Pack realize that.
 
Not claiming Jones isn't but he'll outproduce CornCobb this year. He's a fun to watch return guy, quick-- huge lanes and time to see them open. Year end--Corn and Eddie Royal will have very similar stat lines. Thing is, no one is hyping Royal and you can buy him for a buck.

Cobb.....jones is a scrub
 
There's a reason no one wanted James Jones last offseason when he was a free agent.

Never has, never will have the consistency to be an NFL starting WR.

Aaron Rodgers can't catch the ball for him too.

 
Quiet? Their was no reason for any response. Jones will out produce that's all and Cobb is this years first over hyped WW/ preseason bust. Never said Jones was good just don't see Cobb doing anything near what people claim. What was obvious last night, without Jennings in the line up both their values go down not up.Remember you have 2 studs and 1/2 stud TE (constant drops) both Jones and Corn are low end spot fillers. Jones isn't hyped to the max while Corn is. Hence Corn is an over-hyped bust. Agan, he'll have a similar stat line to Royal. I hope you didn't overspend on him?

Cobb.....jones is a scrub
:goodposting:Love how the CLUELESS posters suddenly got quiet. :) Jennings had more yards last night :yes:
 
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There's a reason no one wanted James Jones last offseason when he was a free agent.Never has, never will have the consistency to be an NFL starting WR.Aaron Rodgers can't catch the ball for him too.
Most overhyped reserve WR to never do a thing.Thought for certain any buzz would have died for him when absolutely no one wanted him in free agency. Guess some people never learn :shrug:
 
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There's a reason no one wanted James Jones last offseason when he was a free agent.Never has, never will have the consistency to be an NFL starting WR.Aaron Rodgers can't catch the ball for him too.
Most overhyped reserve WR to never do a thing.Thought for certain any buzz would have died for him when absolutely no one wanted him in free agency. Guess some people never learn :shrug:
Did James Jones get hurt tonight or just disappear like most of the GB offense?
 
There's a reason no one wanted James Jones last offseason when he was a free agent.Never has, never will have the consistency to be an NFL starting WR.Aaron Rodgers can't catch the ball for him too.
Most overhyped reserve WR to never do a thing.Thought for certain any buzz would have died for him when absolutely no one wanted him in free agency. Guess some people never learn :shrug:
Did James Jones get hurt tonight or just disappear like most of the GB offense?
On the field almost every play. I went against him, and I swear I didn't see a single target. Not one.
 

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