Cold Pizza mock draft (1 Viewer)

[oukurt]

FWIW

1. OAK - QB Russell

2. DET - QB Quinn

3. CLE - DT Branch

4. TBB - WR Johnson

5. ARI -OL Thomas

6. WAS - DE Adams

7. MIN - DE Anderson

8. HOU - RB Peterson

9. MIA - DB Hall

10. ATL - S Landry

 

[FTRWRTR]

I can't believe the lions would draft a qb. First off kitna completed 62.4 % of his passes and was one of only four qbs to pass for over 4,200 yards. It's true he passed for only 21 TDs while throwing 22INTs and that needs to improve but qb is far from their most severe need.

 

[massraider]

I think the two picks people are most comfortable with right now are CJ to Tampa and AP to Houston.

I think Adams rises up the board. DE's are tough to come by.

NFL Draft Countdown top 10:

1. OAK--Russell

2. DET--Thomas

3. CLE--Quinn

4. TAM--Johnson

5. ARI--Branch

6. WAS--Adams

7. MIN--Anderson

8. HOU--Peterson

9. MIA--Okoye

10. ATL--Hall

Man, do people think Minnesota is gonna take another 1st round DL? Is everyone giving up on Udeze so quick?

 

[oukurt]

I think the two picks people are most comfortable with right now are CJ to Tampa and AP to Houston.

I think Adams rises up the board. DE's are tough to come by.

NFL Draft Countdown top 10:

1. OAK--Russell

2. DET--Thomas

3. CLE--Quinn

4. TAM--Johnson

5. ARI--Branch

6. WAS--Adams

7. MIN--Anderson

8. HOU--Peterson

9. MIA--Okoye

10. ATL--Hall

Man, do people think Minnesota is gonna take another 1st round DL? Is everyone giving up on Udeze so quick?

ESPN college football guru on the Vikings taking another DL: "Too early for Jarrett (not going to run well) and Ginn not polished enough. They take another DL here."Personally, I don't think the Vikes pass on Jarrett here and no way do the Falcons would pass on Ginn here do they?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Man, do people think Minnesota is gonna take another 1st round DL? Is everyone giving up on Udeze so quick?

Quick? He's been in the league three years and has six sacks. It is well documented that he started all 16 games this year and didn't get ONE. He is not a premier DE. Also, Erasmus James is coming off ACL injury.

THE, and I mean THE reason that the Vikings pass D was so bad this year is due to the lack of pass rush. If the Vikings got either Adams or Anderson, I would be a happy fan.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Personally, I don't think the Vikes pass on Jarrett here and no way do the Falcons would pass on Ginn here do they?

I do.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Maybe I have the skill position players way too high, but some things don't make sense to me. We know that Tedd Ginn can absolutely toy with Leon Hall. We all watched it. It was sad. Short, deep, sideline, over the middle, Hall cannot possibly cover this kid. Hall is very experienced and I don't expect much improvement. Most agree Ginn is just scratching the surface.

How do you draft Hall and leave Ginn available? Seriously. Miami takes Leon Hall and Buffalo can say, " Thanks. We'll take this kid we know can abuse your kid for the next ten years."

 

[FTRWRTR]

oukurt - it's true the falcons need wr help but they may be a bit gunshy after burning two of their last three first rounders on wr. Not to mention that they shelled out over $7 mil for former first rounder, ashley lelie. Personally I think their run d is their biggest weakness and with rbs like caddy, bush, deuce, and the tandem of foster-dwill all in their division I don't see how atlanta can pass on a defensive lineman

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Maybe I have the skill position players way too high, but some things don't make sense to me. We know that Tedd Ginn can absolutely toy with Leon Hall. We all watched it. It was sad. Short, deep, sideline, over the middle, Hall cannot possibly cover this kid. Hall is very experienced and I don't expect much improvement. Most agree Ginn is just scratching the surface. How do you draft Hall and leave Ginn available? Seriously. Miami takes Leon Hall and Buffalo can say, " Thanks. We'll take this kid we know can abuse your kid for the next ten years."

If he wanted to give the Dolphins a CB, which is the right thing IMO since Quinn is gone , he should have given them Revis instead of Hall.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Man, do people think Minnesota is gonna take another 1st round DL? Is everyone giving up on Udeze so quick?

Quick? He's been in the league three years and has six sacks. It is well documented that he started all 16 games this year and didn't get ONE. He is not a premier DE. Also, Erasmus James is coming off ACL injury.

THE, and I mean THE reason that the Vikings pass D was so bad this year is due to the lack of pass rush. If the Vikings got either Adams or Anderson, I would be a happy fan.

Even though Tomlin used a pretty aggressive form of the Tampa-2 this season by frequently blitzing his linebackers in passing situations, that scheme has to have some pressure by the front four to survive against any kind of passing offense.

Udeze showed flashes at times but hasn't gotten any meaningful push after having microfracture knee surgery last season. He's neither very powerful or very quick any more and he's not such a positive force against the run (like a Greg Spires in a similar scheme) that the Vikes can tolerate the complete lack of pass rush ability.

Ray Edwards looks like a player and Darrion Scott has been pretty consistent, but Minnesota needs a Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice type player to take the heat off the secondary. Neither Erasmus James nor Udeze can be counted on right now.

 

[derek19]

FWIW1. OAK - QB Russell2. DET - QB Quinn3. CLE - DT Branch4. TBB - WR Johnson5. ARI -OL Thomas6. WAS - DE Adams7. MIN - DE Anderson8. HOU - RB Peterson9. MIA - DB Hall10. ATL - S Landry

11. 49ers - Ginn Jr....Love it.

 

[LHUCKS]

I can't wait for Quinn to be drafted by the Lions.

 

[shabeeb]

I can't believe the lions would draft a qb. First off kitna completed 62.4 % of his passes and was one of only four qbs to pass for over 4,200 yards. It's true he passed for only 21 TDs while throwing 22INTs and that needs to improve but qb is far from their most severe need.

Kitna is capable of leading this offense, but will be 35 in September. Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Maybe I have the skill position players way too high, but some things don't make sense to me. We know that Tedd Ginn can absolutely toy with Leon Hall. We all watched it. It was sad. Short, deep, sideline, over the middle, Hall cannot possibly cover this kid. Hall is very experienced and I don't expect much improvement. Most agree Ginn is just scratching the surface. How do you draft Hall and leave Ginn available? Seriously. Miami takes Leon Hall and Buffalo can say, " Thanks. We'll take this kid we know can abuse your kid for the next ten years."

If he wanted to give the Dolphins a CB, which is the right thing IMO since Quinn is gone , he should have given them Revis instead of Hall.

I think its not an estimation of Ginn's talent, rather how vastly overrated Leon Hall is. Revis is the choice here. Hall simply is not physical enough to jam NFL recievers and doesnt have the recovery speed to chase them down. Not saying revis can and will be able to succeed in the nfl but has a better shot. Despite what he is timed at, Leon Hall looks abysmally slow on the field. I think when its all said and done, Revis is the first CB off the board. Josh Wilson from maryland will also get first round looks when its said and done and will be a steal if he goes any later. He's got Antonie Whitfield written all over him.

 

[LHUCKS]

Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

In the salary cap era does it really make sense to draft a QB with a top 10 pick and then have him sent on the bench for a few years...and then he is mediocre for a few more.Seems a lot smarter to draft a Drew Brees/Hasselbeck much later in the draft. Much less risk with the same potential reward.

 

[massraider]

Oakland will take either Thomas or Peterson if they stay at the #1...

Too early to say, I'd guess.

 

[massraider]

Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

In the salary cap era does it really make sense to draft a QB with a top 10 pick and then have him sent on the bench for a few years...and then he is mediocre for a few more.

When was the last time this was done (if ever)?

 

[LHUCKS]

Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

In the salary cap era does it really make sense to draft a QB with a top 10 pick and then have him sent on the bench for a few years...and then he is mediocre for a few more.

When was the last time this was done (if ever)?

I was responding to the post I quoted above regarding the "grooming"...so ask "shabeeb."

 

[massraider]

Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

In the salary cap era does it really make sense to draft a QB with a top 10 pick and then have him sent on the bench for a few years...and then he is mediocre for a few more.

When was the last time this was done (if ever)?

I was responding to the post I quoted above regarding the "grooming"...so ask "shabeeb."

Fair enough.Eh, since I was being rhetorical, I'll answer it myself:The future is now with these kids. The days of waiting 3 or 4 years for a guy to develop are over, if they ever existed.How far away were we told Vince Young was? Two, three years? I know I didn't hear 6 or 7 games from too many people. Carson Palmer sat for 1 year, and probably didn't even have to. Leinart, starting. Jay Cutler? Vanderbilt to Denver starter.Moot point on the Lions anyway, I think they like McCown and Orlovsky and, more importantly, I think Martz believes he can make a serviceable QB out of spare parts. And he may be right.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

In the salary cap era does it really make sense to draft a QB with a top 10 pick and then have him sent on the bench for a few years...and then he is mediocre for a few more.

When was the last time this was done (if ever)?

McNair and Rivers both sat awhile, Palmer sat one season

 

[Jous]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

 

[freeannyong]

Houston will NEVER take a RB in the first round (with Kubiak), they proved that last year. Kubiak believes in his system, and believes any RB can produce in it. Even if Peterson is there, they will NOT take him. Mark it down.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Houston will NEVER take a RB in the first round (with Kubiak), they proved that last year. Kubiak believes in his system, and believes any RB can produce in it. Even if Peterson is there, they will NOT take him. Mark it down.

I think that the fact that neither the Broncos nor the Texans have done much winning recently debunks this philosophy. How much more would Adrian Peterson have produced than Wali Lundy and Ron Dayne? How much more than Mike and Tatum Bell?And it is pretty well known that Shanahan was hot on drafting Lawrence Maroney until the chance to trade up for Cutler presented itself.I think this line of thinking is way off considering the circumstances.

 

[stbugs]

Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

In the salary cap era does it really make sense to draft a QB with a top 10 pick and then have him sent on the bench for a few years...and then he is mediocre for a few more.Seems a lot smarter to draft a Drew Brees/Hasselbeck much later in the draft. Much less risk with the same potential reward.

Two things. First, lumping Brees in with Hasselbeck is a stretch. Brees was the 1st pick in the 2nd round and Hasselbeck was a 6th round pick. Since the Texans didn't officially start until 2002, Brees' slot is now a 1st round pick. Throw out Brady and Hasselbeck, and it makes more sense.Second, I disgagree whole heartedly with the drafting of late round QBs and saying you have the same potential reward. In a post earlier, I checked on my league's roster grid (start 2 QBs so most shown), I counted 18 of 32 starting QBs as 1st round picks. That means that 56% of the starters come from a pool of only 14% of the players drafted, not including non-drafted players.While you are correct, that there are some late round gems, there are probably a whole lot more late round do nothings that you never hear about. People seem to think that a 1st round QB is not as safe a pick as a 1st round OL or DL or RB or WR and if you look at history, it isn't true.Also, since QB is the highest paid position, doesn't it make sense to spend your allotted 1st round huge money on that position instead of getting stuck with a $$$$$$ Benson or Cadillac that doesn't give you any more bang for the buck than a cheap Thomas Jones or Michael Pittman? I think the Bears or Bucs would probably rather have Rivers/Roethlisberger/Cutler/Leinart/VYoung/Eli Manning and TJ/Pittman than the QBs they have. Maybe Bears fans would disagree, but I wouldn't.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

people in the know had J.russell i nthe top ten. a few on this board even. Before the bowl game

 

[WhoDat]

Houston will NEVER take a RB in the first round (with Kubiak), they proved that last year. Kubiak believes in his system, and believes any RB can produce in it. Even if Peterson is there, they will NOT take him. Mark it down.

Peterson is a state legend in high school football. He is right up there with Roy Williams, C. Benson and V. Young. The Texans (blanked) up beyond belief last year by passing on Bush and local legend/Houston native, V. Young.The new car smell on the Texans franchise is starting to subside. Passing on Young...that is going to be rubbed into that franchise's proverbial face twice a year for the next 3-5 seasons. The Texans need a star and they need to start winning. There is no way the Texans pass on Peterson if he is on the board. The Broncos had an OL guru; HOF QB and an above average to good defense most of the years Kubiak was in Denver. Conversely, the Texans do not have that same OL guru or player personnel; Carr would never be mistaken for Elway and the Texans team defense made some improvements but is still below average to average on any given Sunday. Kubiak does not have the luxury to plug and play with a system. He is damn near void of Sunday talent and needs football players. Once he has enough qualified football players, then, he will be able to rotate players into his offense. Until that time he needs blue chip talent. Bush being bypassed has been talked about here since last April. Most know it had little to do with Kubiak's offensive philosohpy and it had much more to do with McNair, Bush's salary request, signability and the economics of the situation.McNair just might get a mulligan that will put butts in seats. There is no way that franchise passes on Peterson. Wants, needs, talent, ratings...put it aside. That team failing to take Peterson, if he is available, will see it in their pocket books. The damange done by last year's fiasco is not yet irrevocable. It could be salvaged with grabbing someone like Peterson, if he is around. Passing on him, though, will be a damning mistake. McNair might not...will not...recover and he is a smart enough business man to know that. However, Peterson will probably not fall that far.

 

[FTRWRTR]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

1) Russell's game came against Notre Dame. They may be an "inferior team" and overrated but they also were getting alot of preseason hype as a contender for the national championship and really is someone the media pays a lot of attention to. So beating them brings you a lot of attention2) Notre dame really only had three tough contests this past season; michigan, usc, and lsu and quinn lost them all3) You can't coach 6'6" 260lbs and with oakland's o-line they need a big qb and/or someone who can scramble and quinn doesn't fit the bill as well as russell does

 

[Buckna]

Houston will NEVER take a RB in the first round (with Kubiak), they proved that last year. Kubiak believes in his system, and believes any RB can produce in it. Even if Peterson is there, they will NOT take him. Mark it down.

I think that the fact that neither the Broncos nor the Texans have done much winning recently debunks this philosophy. How much more would Adrian Peterson have produced than Wali Lundy and Ron Dayne? How much more than Mike and Tatum Bell?And it is pretty well known that Shanahan was hot on drafting Lawrence Maroney until the chance to trade up for Cutler presented itself.I think this line of thinking is way off considering the circumstances.

I used to subscribe to the first posters line of thinking as well but now I'm not so sure. I think the jury is still out. For one thing, Bush did not fit Kubiak's system at all and Peterson very much does. 2nd, it remains to be seen how much passing on Bush was influenced by having (what they believed at the time) was a healthy Dom Davis on the squad.Kubiak has been quoted as saying the team needs playmakers and Peterson certainly fits that mold.

 

[Jous]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

people in the know had J.russell i nthe top ten. a few on this board even. Before the bowl game

I know that there were some people with him in the top 10 ("no one" I meant as a figure of speech ) but I just don't understand how that bowl game could possibly vault him to #1 and ahead of Quinn. LSU was supposed to win anyway, they didn't surprise anyone by any means, they just did what they were expected to do. Quinn's team was NOT supposed to win, and he was facing a much tougher defense than Russell was facing. I just don't get how, considering that, that this puts Russell all the way to #1 and ahead of Quinn.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

people in the know had J.russell i nthe top ten. a few on this board even. Before the bowl game

I know that there were some people with him in the top 10 ("no one" I meant as a figure of speech ) but I just don't understand how that bowl game could possibly vault him to #1 and ahead of Quinn. LSU was supposed to win anyway, they didn't surprise anyone by any means, they just did what they were expected to do. Quinn's team was NOT supposed to win, and he was facing a much tougher defense than Russell was facing. I just don't get how, considering that, that this puts Russell all the way to #1 and ahead of Quinn.

Did you not see that guys rocket for an arm? and his giant size? You a ND fan by chance? Didnt you notice last year's game where Vince young leap frogged Lienart?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I just don't get how, considering that, that this puts Russell all the way to #1 and ahead of Quinn.

The Raiders owning the #1 pick has a lot to do with it. Quinn going #1 to the Raiders didn't seem like as good of a fit as Russell.Does that make sense? Probably not. But then again, who really knows?

 

[Chaos Commish]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

You don't get it because it isn't true and Russell was an undeclared underclassmen. Check out the O7 QB thread here. Many of us ranked Russell higher than Quinn in mid December long before the bowl game. It's true that that game gave Jamarcus media appeal he previously lacked, and it's true he needed to declare for the draft guys to start comparing him and those two things have a little to do with what you don't get, but if you were following the discussion closely, man many fans like Jamarcus better than Quinn during the past season.

 

[Jous]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

people in the know had J.russell i nthe top ten. a few on this board even. Before the bowl game

I know that there were some people with him in the top 10 ("no one" I meant as a figure of speech ) but I just don't understand how that bowl game could possibly vault him to #1 and ahead of Quinn. LSU was supposed to win anyway, they didn't surprise anyone by any means, they just did what they were expected to do. Quinn's team was NOT supposed to win, and he was facing a much tougher defense than Russell was facing. I just don't get how, considering that, that this puts Russell all the way to #1 and ahead of Quinn.

Did you not see that guys rocket for an arm? and his giant size? You a ND fan by chance? Didnt you notice last year's game where Vince young leap frogged Lienart?

Not a Notre Dame fan, and I know he's big and has a rocket arm, but that really doesn't matter in the NFL unless you have great skills as a player, and I think Quinn has better skills as a QB.And yeah I saw when Young went over Leinart, but that was different. The Trojans were expected to win and be able to contain Young to an extent, but Young and the Longhorns just pulled off a dramatic upset with clutch play by Vince that made the defense look helpless. That's different than just Russell doing what's expected and Quinn not playing quite as well but against a vastly better defense.

 

[Chaos Commish]

There is no way the Texans pass on Peterson if he is on the board. However, Peterson will probably not fall that far.

Agree with both statements. I'm surprised to see Peterson falling in so many mocks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There is no way the Texans pass on Peterson if he is on the board. However, Peterson will probably not fall that far.

Agree with both statements. I'm surprised to see Peterson falling in so many mocks.

Too bad I'll never get to watch him play since they don't show Cleveland Browns games too often here in Minneapolis.

 

[WhoDat]

I love how everyone's chalking up Russell for the #1 pick now. Before the bowl game, no one even mentioned him as top 10... suddenly a good game against an inferior team, and a mediocre game by Quinn against a much superior team makes them switch. I don't get it.

people in the know had J.russell i nthe top ten. a few on this board even. Before the bowl game

I know that there were some people with him in the top 10 ("no one" I meant as a figure of speech ) but I just don't understand how that bowl game could possibly vault him to #1 and ahead of Quinn. LSU was supposed to win anyway, they didn't surprise anyone by any means, they just did what they were expected to do. Quinn's team was NOT supposed to win, and he was facing a much tougher defense than Russell was facing. I just don't get how, considering that, that this puts Russell all the way to #1 and ahead of Quinn.

Did you not see that guys rocket for an arm? and his giant size? You a ND fan by chance? Didnt you notice last year's game where Vince young leap frogged Lienart?

Not a Notre Dame fan, and I know he's big and has a rocket arm, but that really doesn't matter in the NFL unless you have great skills as a player, and I think Quinn has better skills as a QB.And yeah I saw when Young went over Leinart, but that was different. The Trojans were expected to win and be able to contain Young to an extent, but Young and the Longhorns just pulled off a dramatic upset with clutch play by Vince that made the defense look helpless. That's different than just Russell doing what's expected and Quinn not playing quite as well but against a vastly better defense.

And that is my problem with Quinn. He face a legit, SEC defense full of Sunday talent and he had a very hard time. That is a LARGE indicator for me of what things could be like on Sundays for Mr. Quinn and I do not care what offensive system he played in and who coached it.Tossing touchdowns versus the Service Academies and a defense like LSU are very different. The respective defensive backs at those schools are being groomed to be military officers or, hopefully, play on Sundays. I would want a QB that can do both and I am crossing my fingers that my beloved Lions do not take Quinn. I will burn everything I own that is Honululu Blue and Silver if his name gets called.

I know a few people see "it" in Quinn...pretty sure C. Commish likes him...but I cannot.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And that is my problem with Quinn. He face a legit, SEC defense full of Sunday talent and he had a very hard time. That is a LARGE indicator for me of what things could be like on Sundays for Mr. Quinn and I do not care what offensive system he played in and who coached it.Tossing touchdowns versus the Service Academies and a defense like LSU are very different. The respective defensive backs at those schools are being groomed to be military officers or, hopefully, play on Sundays. I would want a QB that can do both and I am crossing my fingers that my beloved Lions do not take Quinn. I will burn everything I own that is Honululu Blue and Silver if his name gets called.I know a few people see "it" in Quinn...pretty sure C. Commish likes him...but I cannot.

Why is that LSU game an indictment on Quinn only and not the entire team?LSU knew the only guy that could beat them was Quinn and game planned accordingly. All that game showed us was that Quinn isn't Vince Young.The jury is still out on him, but not for the reasons that people keep saying.

 

[WhoDat]

There is no way the Texans pass on Peterson if he is on the board. However, Peterson will probably not fall that far.

Agree with both statements. I'm surprised to see Peterson falling in so many mocks.

There are the durability, nagging injuries concerns, which are true, and the fact it is that time of year that dropping players, etc. is vogue. It generates web traffic and is good for business. Fact v. Fiction. I think once the Pro Day dust settles Peterson will be drafted accordingly.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I am crossing my fingers that my beloved Lions do not take Quinn. I will burn everything I own that is Honululu Blue and Silver if his name gets called.I know a few people see "it" in Quinn...pretty sure C. Commish likes him...but I cannot.

:( I want to see the Lions draft Quinn just to know you burned them out of your life. Quinn. Eesh, I sure liked him more before his last game than I did after. And it isn't that I didn't watch him play plenty of other games. The kid who took on USC as a junior was nails. The kid who took on LSU as a senior looked lost and totally dependent on his team, when you want a franchise QB to be someone the team can depend on. I downgraded him to the mid-first. Two things about my opinions Who Dat.1. I am not married to them.2. They change directions like Barry Sanders. I think people make the mistake of investing time into a failed opinion but lack the cowardice to change their minds. Not me. I just want to get it right.

 

[WhoDat]

And that is my problem with Quinn. He face a legit, SEC defense full of Sunday talent and he had a very hard time. That is a LARGE indicator for me of what things could be like on Sundays for Mr. Quinn and I do not care what offensive system he played in and who coached it.

Tossing touchdowns versus the Service Academies and a defense like LSU are very different. The respective defensive backs at those schools are being groomed to be military officers or, hopefully, play on Sundays. I would want a QB that can do both and I am crossing my fingers that my beloved Lions do not take Quinn. I will burn everything I own that is Honululu Blue and Silver if his name gets called.

I know a few people see "it" in Quinn...pretty sure C. Commish likes him...but I cannot.

Why is that LSU game an indictment on Quinn only and not the entire team?LSU knew the only guy that could beat them was Quinn and game planned accordingly. All that game showed us was that Quinn isn't Vince Young.

The jury is still out on him, but not for the reasons that people keep saying.

Good counter.It is not just the LSU game. That is the most recent example. My perception of Quinn was that he could light up a weak team and have a difficult time against a good team. That worries me and Notre Dame is not void of talent. Compare Quinn's situation to J. Cutler. Similiar type schools with similiar academic standards except Vandy is probably a little more void of talent. There was something about Cutler and his ability to compete in the SEC that I just do not see in Quinn. I am not basing my view from that lone game.

He is a smart kid in a pro offense. Those are technically pluses but I never saw "it" in him. I can normally stay fairly objective when we get onto the subject of players; talent and where they might be heading. Admittedly, this one is tough, as I feel that strongly about Quinn and the fact I do not want to see the Lions blow another high draft pick or a pick on a QB. Thus, my view is just a bit subjective.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He is a smart kid in a pro offense. Those are technically pluses but I never saw "it" in him. I can normally stay fairly objective when we get onto the subject of players; talent and where they might be heading. Admittedly, this one is tough, as I feel that strongly about Quinn and the fact I do not want to see the Lions blow another high draft pick or a pick on a QB. Thus, my view is just a bit subjective.

Now this I agree with. One of the biggest reasons that I was driving (or at least co-piloting) the Vince Young bandwagon last year was because it was so OBVIOUS that VY had "it" more than any player I'd seen in a long time. Possibly ever.Watching Quinn, there's no denying the talent, but he certainly didn't have "it." Maybe his "it" was taken in that bowl game by his receivers clanking the ball off their facemasks or the linemen or backs that couldn't pick up a blitz. Or maybe he just doesn't have "it" at all.

I don't know, but if I were Matt Millen, I personally would NOT take him as that franchise cannot afford taking a QB at #2 that doesn't have "it". They already did that with The Piano Man, and look how that turned out. Which is why I think the Lions take a DE, either Adams or Anderson.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Fwiw, I have pages of notes taken during games on both Quinn and Russell. When it gets good and slow around here this spring, I'll devote time to these two like we did Leinart and Cutler last year. My opinions on Quinn's play and potential have become complicated. I can't explain it, but his mechanics broke down late in games as a senior. This didn't happen as a junior. His mechanics were a mess start to finish against LSU. He also went from being a decisive player willing to look over his options and react quickly, to a player whose decision appeared to be carved in stone before the snap.

 

[WhoDat]

He is a smart kid in a pro offense. Those are technically pluses but I never saw "it" in him. I can normally stay fairly objective when we get onto the subject of players; talent and where they might be heading. Admittedly, this one is tough, as I feel that strongly about Quinn and the fact I do not want to see the Lions blow another high draft pick or a pick on a QB. Thus, my view is just a bit subjective.

Now this I agree with. One of the biggest reasons that I was driving (or at least co-piloting) the Vince Young bandwagon last year was because it was so OBVIOUS that VY had "it" more than any player I'd seen in a long time. Possibly ever.Watching Quinn, there's no denying the talent, but he certainly didn't have "it." Maybe his "it" was taken in that bowl game by his receivers clanking the ball off their facemasks or the linemen or backs that couldn't pick up a blitz. Or maybe he just doesn't have "it" at all.

I don't know, but if I were Matt Millen, I personally would NOT take him as that franchise cannot afford taking a QB at #2 that doesn't have "it". They already did that with The Piano Man, and look how that turned out. Which is why I think the Lions take a DE, either Adams or Anderson.

The Lions would never recover from another blown move at the QB position. It would cripple the team and probably be the final straw. They have to grab someone with an immediate ROI that will live out their first and, perhaps, second contracts. At best Quinn offers a return in a season or two. Football fans have been spoiled recently with rookie QB success but that is still the exception not the rule. I do not see Millen and Co. taking that chance at #2. The team does not have that luxury.

 

[Qbert89]

I can't believe the lions would draft a qb. First off kitna completed 62.4 % of his passes and was one of only four qbs to pass for over 4,200 yards. It's true he passed for only 21 TDs while throwing 22INTs and that needs to improve but qb is far from their most severe need.

Last time i checked Kitna is 34-35 yrs old.

 

[shabeeb]

Should Detroit draft Quinn, I would hope they would take a couple of seasons to groom him before naming him as their starter. I see it as a good fit at this point.

In the salary cap era does it really make sense to draft a QB with a top 10 pick and then have him sent on the bench for a few years...and then he is mediocre for a few more.

When was the last time this was done (if ever)?

I recall Donovan McNabb held the clipboard for 2 seasons while Doug Pederson (?) languished at QB for Philly. There must have been no shortage of pressure to bring McNabb in to help the then ailing Eagles. I recall a concerted effort on the part of the coaching staff to bring McNabb in slowly. It seemed to work in that case. Or how about Philip Rivers in SD. He sat behind Brees for two seasons also. Not every team can afford to have a top 10 QB sit for so long, but there seems to be some evidence that both the team and player benefit from having the new guy sit and learn. In Detroit, with Kitna playing well, it seems to be a good circumstance for this to happen. They do have other problems to address, but I can't remember whe they'va had a QB to remember. This might be the time to grab one..

 

[Jack Ham & Eggs]

I can't believe the lions would draft a qb. First off kitna completed 62.4 % of his passes and was one of only four qbs to pass for over 4,200 yards. It's true he passed for only 21 TDs while throwing 22INTs and that needs to improve but qb is far from their most severe need.

You're thinking logically, which means you're not thinking like the Lions.