CSN Bay Area reports the 49ers would like to hammer out Colin Kaepernick's contract extension before the beginning of training camp.
The 49ers currently have just $592,000 in cap space, but will earn another $6.6 million when Carlos Rogers' deal comes off the books on June 1. Typically extensions lower cap numbers, but that won't be the case with Kaep this season, who's due just $973,766 in the final year of his rookie contract.
Source: CSN Bay Area
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CSN Bay Area reports the 49ers would like to hammer out Colin Kaepernick's contract extension before the beginning of training camp.
The 49ers currently have just $592,000 in cap space, but will earn another $6.6 million when Carlos Rogers' deal comes off the books on June 1. Typically extensions lower cap numbers, but that won't be the case with Kaep this season, who's due just $973,766 in the final year of his rookie contract.
Source: CSN Bay Area
A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.Kaepernick gets a six year extension through 2020 for $110+ million.
Details TBA, but reportedly the contract is heavily guaranteed.
* Schefter announced on NFL Live, others mentioned $61 million guaranteed, which would be the highest among QBs (Ryan $59 million?).
I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
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@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
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@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.Kaepernick gets a six year extension through 2020 for $110+ million.
Details TBA, but reportedly the contract is heavily guaranteed.
* Schefter announced on NFL Live, others mentioned $61 million guaranteed, which would be the highest among QBs (Ryan $59 million?).
Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.
I feel like defenses figured him out. Blaming injuries for regression is weak sauce. He has trouble reading defenses, he locks his WR1 down and if he isn't open he takes off.This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
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@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
Dude is legit.
Big jump coming this year.
Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.Kaepernick gets a six year extension through 2020 for $110+ million.
Details TBA, but reportedly the contract is heavily guaranteed.
* Schefter announced on NFL Live, others mentioned $61 million guaranteed, which would be the highest among QBs (Ryan $59 million?).
Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
I initially thought the deal was 6 for 100 and that seemed low to meI see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
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@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
I am shocked you would come to this conclusion.I feel like defenses figured him out. Blaming injuries for regression is weak sauce. He has trouble reading defenses, he locks his WR1 down and if he isn't open he takes off.This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
**ETA**
@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
Dude is legit.
Big jump coming this year.
Russell Wilson was down his top two WR's for most the year and had multiple offensive line injuries yet he performed. Good QBs survive injuries to players......
We have a different definition of 'carried'. As the end of the season he played well but he had some easy ones like the Redskins, Bucs and Falcons.This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
**ETA**
@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
Dude is legit.
Big jump coming this year.
thoughWe have a different definition of 'carried'. As the end of the season he played well but he had some easy ones like the Redskins, Bucs and Falcons.This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
**ETA**
@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
Dude is legit.
Big jump coming this year.
In the playoffs:
The Packers defense was terrible and he completed just 53% of his passes, though he did run all over them for 7/98.
Then it was the 49ers run defense that completely shut down the Panthers run game (13/33 for their RB's). Again, Kaep completely just 53% of his passes, but had just 8/15/1 rushing.
Again the Seahawks he ran the ball great (11/130) but complete 58% of his passes and through 2 INT's in the loss.
Since the Seahawks are the best at everything in the history of the NFL, you should be comfortable with their having superior WR depth. Boldin is better than anybody SEA had without Harvin, but it would be better to have Tate, Baldwin and Kearse than Boldin and no other WR.Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage. Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.Kaepernick gets a six year extension through 2020 for $110+ million.
Details TBA, but reportedly the contract is heavily guaranteed.
* Schefter announced on NFL Live, others mentioned $61 million guaranteed, which would be the highest among QBs (Ryan $59 million?).
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
Although you try to dismiss me with your first statement, I'll play as typically you are a little more classy.......just last year before people called the hawks receivers pedestrian, plenty also said they thought they couldn't win with the WR's they had especially when Harvin and Rice were down. If at the beginning of last year you gave people the choice of Boldin, Davis, and 49ers WR crew or Tate, Baldwin, Miller, and crew people would have taken the 49ers. If you swapped Wilson for Kaep I would argue Tate, Baldwin and Miller wouldn't look as attractive to you. Wilson makes them better the same way all good QBs make their WR core better.Since the Seahawks are the best at everything in the history of the NFL, you should be comfortable with their having superior WR depth. Boldin is better than anybody SEA had without Harvin, but it would be better to have Tate, Baldwin and Kearse than Boldin and no other WR.Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage. Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.Kaepernick gets a six year extension through 2020 for $110+ million.
Details TBA, but reportedly the contract is heavily guaranteed.
* Schefter announced on NFL Live, others mentioned $61 million guaranteed, which would be the highest among QBs (Ryan $59 million?).
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
Davis is a great TE, but that is still just two weapons, SEA also had a viable Zach Miller.
We have a different definition of 'carried'. As the end of the season he played well but he had some easy ones like the Redskins, Bucs and Falcons.This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
**ETA**
@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
Dude is legit.
Big jump coming this year.
In the playoffs:
The Packers defense was terrible and he completed just 53% of his passes, though he did run all over them for 7/98.
Then it was the 49ers run defense that completely shut down the Panthers run game (13/33 for their RB's). Again, Kaep completely just 53% of his passes, but had just 8/15/1 rushing.
Again the Seahawks he ran the ball great (11/130) but complete 58% of his passes and through 2 INT's in the loss.
Is there a thread this guy doesn't ruin?I am shocked you would come to this conclusion.I feel like defenses figured him out. Blaming injuries for regression is weak sauce. He has trouble reading defenses, he locks his WR1 down and if he isn't open he takes off. Russell Wilson was down his top two WR's for most the year and had multiple offensive line injuries yet he performed. Good QBs survive injuries to players......This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.Dude is legit.I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
**ETA**
@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
Big jump coming this year.
He's as deserving as Romo, Stafford, and Cutler. I'd guess he has more playoff wins than those dudes combined.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
Hes not a better QB than any of those guys, unless your metric is how fast you are.He's as deserving as Romo, Stafford, and Cutler. I'd guess he has more playoff wins than those dudes combined.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
He's not a starting caliber QB? OK.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?Although you try to dismiss me with your first statement, I'll play as typically you are a little more classy.......just last year before people called the hawks receivers pedestrian, plenty also said they thought they couldn't win with the WR's they had especially when Harvin and Rice were down. If at the beginning of last year you gave people the choice of Boldin, Davis, and 49ers WR crew or Tate, Baldwin, Miller, and crew people would have taken the 49ers. If you swapped Wilson for Kaep I would argue Tate, Baldwin and Miller wouldn't look as attractive to you. Wilson makes them better the same way all good QBs make their WR core better.Since the Seahawks are the best at everything in the history of the NFL, you should be comfortable with their having superior WR depth. Boldin is better than anybody SEA had without Harvin, but it would be better to have Tate, Baldwin and Kearse than Boldin and no other WR.Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage. Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.Kaepernick gets a six year extension through 2020 for $110+ million.
Details TBA, but reportedly the contract is heavily guaranteed.
* Schefter announced on NFL Live, others mentioned $61 million guaranteed, which would be the highest among QBs (Ryan $59 million?).
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
Davis is a great TE, but that is still just two weapons, SEA also had a viable Zach Miller.
I didn't realize qualifying to start for a team made you a top 5 contract player, with the most guaranteed money.He's not a starting caliber QB? OK.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
Any decent young starter from here on out is getting $100m, especially with the cap jumping. That's just how it is.I didn't realize qualifying to start for a team made you a top 5 contract player, with the most guaranteed money.He's not a starting caliber QB? OK.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
Glad the NFL spent so long trying to squelch rookie contracts so they could immediately begin overpaying every game managing QB that makes it deep in the playoffs on a good team.Any decent young starter from here on out is getting $100m, especially with the cap jumping. That's just how it is.I didn't realize qualifying to start for a team made you a top 5 contract player, with the most guaranteed money.He's not a starting caliber QB? OK.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
I never said he was. He's not worse than any of those either. I'm pretty sure he's had much better post season play.Hes not a better QB than any of those guys, unless your metric is how fast you are.He's as deserving as Romo, Stafford, and Cutler. I'd guess he has more playoff wins than those dudes combined.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
Wait... what???Any decent young starter from here on out is getting $100m, especially with the cap jumping. That's just how it is.I didn't realize qualifying to start for a team made you a top 5 contract player, with the most guaranteed money.He's not a starting caliber QB? OK.I don't understand why anyone thinks hes worth that kind of money.
It cracks me up that this is what the SF fans concern themselves with: Not if this was a horrible deal for SF, but rather what they hope this does to Seattle's decisions.Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?
I'm sure the Niner fans hope so
As crazy as $20M a year to a guy who has played a year and a half is, it's way better than the old system.Glad the NFL spent so long trying to squelch rookie contracts so they could immediately begin overpaying every game managing QB that makes it deep in the playoffs on a good team.
Where did a Niner fan say this?It cracks me up that this is what the SF fans concern themselves with: Not if this was a horrible deal for SF, but rather what they hope this does to Seattle's decisions.Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?
I'm sure the Niner fans hope so
ninersnation.com for one, but this has been the mantra (or the thought that the Seahawks have no cap space) for a while now. To be fair, that last part has been many misinformed fans, not just SF fans.Where did a Niner fan say this?It cracks me up that this is what the SF fans concern themselves with: Not if this was a horrible deal for SF, but rather what they hope this does to Seattle's decisions.Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?
I'm sure the Niner fans hope so
What hip-hop look?Look for CK to ditch the hip-hop look and go for the suits after games.
Yes, they would have.shadyridr said:You guys act as if the 49ers had any choice in the manner. This is something 32 out of 32 teams would have done.
Technically, the deal has $61 million guaranteed, even though $6 million of the guaranteed salary could evaporate (more on that later). Either way, only $13.073 million is guaranteed at signing. It comes in the form of a $12.328 million signing bonus, a base salary of $645,000, and a workout bonus of $100,000.
For 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and part of 2018, the base salaries are guaranteed only for injury. On April 1 of each year, the guarantees convert from injury only to fully guaranteed. That gives the 49ers the ability to decide, in any given year, to move on from Kaepernick. And with the deadline for the conversion of the guarantee coming on April 1, the 49ers can squat on his rights until several weeks after the start of free agency, making it harder for him to get paid elsewhere.
The base salary for 2015 is $12.4 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2015.
For 2016, the base salary is $13.9 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2016.
For 2017, the base salary is $16.5 million, guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2017.
For 2018, the base salary is $17 million, $5.2 million of which is guaranteed for injury only until April 1, 2018.
The non-guaranteed base salary for 2019 is $18.8 million, and the non-guaranteed base salary for 2020 is $21 million.
In each year from 2015 through 2020, however, there’s a catch. A big one. The total payout potentially de-escalates by $2 million per year, with up to $12 million potentially going away.
Kaepernick can halt the de-escalation by taking, in any year of the deal, 80 percent of the snaps and if: (1) the 49ers appear in the Super Bowl; or (2) Kaepernick is named a first-team or second-team All-Pro. If he satisfies the requirement in 2014, the full $12 million remains. If he fails in 2014 but succeeds in 2015, $10 million stays. If he does it for the first time in 2016, $8 million remains. If he does it for the first time in 2017, $6 million stays — and so on until 2019, when if he satisfies the requirement that year for the first time $2 million stays in the deal for 2010.
It’s a convoluted way to pump up the base value of the deal artificially, allowing Kaepernick and his agents to claim that the deal is better than it will be, unless he satisfies the requirements to stop the de-escalator this year.
The contract also includes, starting in 2015, a whopping $2 million per year in per-game roster bonuses, an amount that one source characterized as “massive” in comparison to similar deals. It means that, for every game Kaepernick misses due to injury after the 2014 season, he loses $125,000.
Starting in 2015, $400,000 per year is tied to workout bonuses, which adds up to $2.4 million of the base value.
The contract also requires Kaepernick to purchase, with after-tax dollars, a disability policy that pays the 49ers $20 million if he suffers a career-ending injury.
As one source put it, Kaepernick can feel good about the deal because he has a lot more guaranteed money today than he had yesterday. But the same source also added that the 49ers are nevertheless “thrilled” with the contract, which allows them to control Kaepernick’s rights for seven years and to move on after any of the next six seasons, if they ultimately decide that Kaepernick is more like the guy who struggled at times during the 2013 regular season and less like the guy who found the gas pedal in the playoffs.
If they keep him, the average payout will be low in comparison to other franchise quarterbacks, and the difference will become glaring as other franchise quarterbacks get new deals under a salary cap that is expected to continue to spike.
This makes the contract much less ridiculous, so I guess the Ravens maintain their deathgrip on the worst QB contract in the NFL.For 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and part of 2018, the base salaries are guaranteed only for injury. On April 1 of each year, the guarantees convert from injury only to fully guaranteed. That gives the 49ers the ability to decide, in any given year, to move on from Kaepernick. And with the deadline for the conversion of the guarantee coming on April 1, the 49ers can squat on his rights until several weeks after the start of free agency, making it harder for him to get paid elsewhere.