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College Football Team Seeks to Form a Labor Union (1 Viewer)

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Football, however entertaining, has nothing to do with the purpose of the university.

Do away with it and have the NFL run minor leagues.
People with this mindset often didn't go to schools with strong sports programs. While not vital to the EDUCATION of students, athletics can play a big role in bonding to the school and forming good memories and great friends. It's this kind of stuff that promotes donation to the schools. You rarely meet someone who donates to a school they attended based 100% on academics. You donate because you have fond memories of the place...and athletics can greatly influence this.
Not just this but 99% of college football players have no shot at playing in the NFL and actually do go to school for the scholarship and education. The 1% who don't can't support a minor league system. No other minor league system has ever worked such as USFL or NFL-Europe or anything else.
Those other systems haven't HAD to work though....they have college after all. I truly believe they'd figure out a way to make it work if they were forced to.
How many teams could you populate with players that aren't interested in college? Let's say you could get to 10. Which 10 cities are you putting those teams in? Alabama fan isn't going to be tossing money around to support the Memphis franchise in that minor league. It would have no shot to work.
I don't really understand where you're going here. Seems like you're talking about something different. My point is, if colleges drop CFB and it's not an option any longer, I think the NFL would figure out how to bridge the gap. It doesn't really have a basis on whether they are interested in college or not. It's whether they are interested in playing football after high school.
Who is going to fund these teams? Right now, they are funded by boosters. And TV contracts because boosters boost TV ratings. No one is watching a bunch of 18-21 year olds in a 10 team minor league system. Just like no one watches the D-League basketball games.

The NFL has tried to create a minor league. They put it in Europe because no one here gives a crap about that football. No one in Europe did either.
We're going in circles here....using examples of what happened while CFB was still around is a strawman IMO. If you don't think there wouldn't be a niche left were CFB be taken away completely, we really have nothing to discuss. We'll just have to agree to disagree. :shrug:
Do you ever answer a question or just tell people that they make up stuff? Can you just answer two questions?

What cities would support a minor league football system?

Who would fund that system?
I can guess on the second, and that would be the NFL. Not that it matters, I didn't say you were making stuff up. I said you were giving me evidence of a situation I wasn't talking about. Again, it's my belief that the NFL would fill the void should there come a time where CFB ceased to exist. At that point they'd be motivated to figure it out. Your example of the past failures of NFL Europe have exactly nothing to do with that scenario. In that scenario the "NFL minor leagues" would be the next step in getting to the NFL from high school. It wouldn't be as profitable as the current CFB system. Don't think there's any question about that, but something would have to exist.

 
Why would the nfl want to get involved with the funding and potential liability of a minor league with 19 year olds. :loco: That's completely insane; they have about as much to lose here as anybody, which is partially why CFB isn't going anywhere.

 
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True. Still thinking club teams will be the future. Maybe loosely associated with a school.
Yeah, this has always been my preference, but big college supporters never seem to like it. Football players do not need to be enrolled in the school. If they want, the schools can offer future scholarships as part of the player's compensation. When the player finishes his four years playing for the football team, then he can choose whether to enroll in the university.
You know, if this came about you could even make the delayed scholarship transferable. If Football Player didn't wish to pursue further education himself, he could always give the use of it to someone else, like one of his children.

 
Why would the nfl want to get involved with the funding and potential liability of a minor league with 19 year olds. :loco: That's completely insane; they have about as much to lose here as anybody, which is partially why CFB isn't going anywhere.
No doubt about it. Not because of liability but rather because they have a free minor league system with absolute none of the risk, cost, or headache of running one. This goes back to my earlier point that the backups and middle of the road players are just as valuable to the NFL in their capacity as crappy college players. You can't have Reggie Bush w/ out Eastern Michigan State Community College. People need to understand top echelon schools have no interest playing other top schools 12 times per year.

 
Why would the nfl want to get involved with the funding and potential liability of a minor league with 19 year olds. :loco: That's completely insane; they have about as much to lose here as anybody, which is partially why CFB isn't going anywhere.
I'm pretty confident they don't want to, but if CFB were to go away, what choice would they have? If they didn't they'd have to hope that someone else would, and that group be as cooperative as the colleges, no?

 
People might forget that there was a time when colleges did pay players, they brought in ringers, they did all sorts of underhanded stuff to get the best players. Then the schools got together and decided that was harmful to everyone. Is it so bad that the college football system tries to maintain at least the appearance of amateurism? Problem is the biggest school (forget which, Penn State or UT or Michigan or someone like that) makes close to $1 billion off their football program (or maybe it's the whole sports program, not sure). Anyway, obviously it is big business, but everyone is hurt if some schools go to a pay basis.

About the minor leagues, I really disagree that there could never be one. There is already semi-pro football across the country, it's everywhere. What they lack is quality of players and tv. The USFL got a tv contract, so did the XFL. It can be done, but the league would have to limit itself to players under say 23 and compete in cities like Austin TX. Get a tv contract, pay the players, they will sign, the dollars will flow, and the colleges can keep their "amateur" status assuming they actually enforce their academic standards. Frankly I think I'd rather watch rugby and soccer and baseball than watch LSU or some of my other favorite teams go to paying players, but I think they could more than survive with the highest quality players leaving. If you look at college basketball the big programs have done fine with the one-and-done rule siphoning off the very best (and even some players who don't even get drafted), they are doing as well or better than ever and what's more the parity has improved with all the small schools doing so well.

 
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People might forget that there was a time when colleges did pay players, they brought in ringers, they did all sorts of underhanded stuff to get the best players. Then the schools got together and decided that was harmful to everyone. Is it so bad that the college football system tries to maintain at least the appearance of amateurism? Problem is the biggest school (forget which, Penn State or UT or Michigan or someone like that) makes close to $1 billion off their football program (or maybe it's the whole sports program, not sure). Anyway, obviously it is big business, but everyone is hurt if some schools go to a pay basis.
The schools don't get to make up rules that are at odds with the law. Even if there are a lot of benefits. It may have resulted in a nice neat system that made fans happy and people a lot of money but it was all done by denying fundamental rights to the players. Having a nice neat system doesn't justify that.

 
About the minor leagues, I really disagree that there could never be one. There is already semi-pro football across the country, it's everywhere. What they lack is quality of players and tv.
Player quality doesn't matter. It's about the brands. Colleges are huge brands with huge alumni fan bases. A bunch of made-up franchises with no history and tradition aren't going to be marketable.

The USFL got a tv contract, so did the XFL.
Both had TV, both had better players than college football, neither one lasted very long.

 
What about the students playing sports who aren't on scholarship. What happens to them in all this? Seems like a major sticking point. By definition, they've basically said "I'll play for free". :oldunsure:
They can do intramurals like everyone else.
Or they can play video games. Neither option much resembles varsity athletics, however.

The answer to The Commish's question, though -- "What happens to them in all this?" -- may be that it will be business as usual. I'm not sure why anything would have to change for them.

 
What about the students playing sports who aren't on scholarship. What happens to them in all this? Seems like a major sticking point. By definition, they've basically said "I'll play for free". :oldunsure:
They can do intramurals like everyone else.
Or they can play video games. Neither option much resembles varsity athletics, however.

The answer to The Commish's question, though -- "What happens to them in all this?" -- may be that it will be business as usual. I'm not sure why anything would have to change for them.
Yeah, been thinking about this and I tend to agree. Are athletes not on scholarship allowed to get jobs etc?

 
Its looking like there is a very good chance the Northwestern team is going to vote NO on the union in the secret ballot scheduled for 4/25. A few inside sources (ex players close to the program) suggested this earlier this week. And now Fitzgerald has met with the team and suggested they vote NO, but to do their own research. Its become a Kain Colter vs. Fitzgerald thing. And the players love Fitz. Four of the senior leaders came out after practice today and said they are voting NO.

 
Its looking like there is a very good chance the Northwestern team is going to vote NO on the union in the secret ballot scheduled for 4/25. A few inside sources (ex players close to the program) suggested this earlier this week. And now Fitzgerald has met with the team and suggested they vote NO, but to do their own research. Its become a Kain Colter vs. Fitzgerald thing. And the players love Fitz. Four of the senior leaders came out after practice today and said they are voting NO.
Payoffs?

 
Saw the Daily Show last night. Another awesome shot directly to the NCAA. As I said. Burn it down. To the ground. By any means necessary.

 

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