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Commish needs help - left open roster spot (1 Viewer)

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I am commish who needs opinion on ruling. An owner dropped Bears Def and picked up Dolphins Def. Although, he did not place them into his starting roster. This most likely will decide the outcome of the matchup so it is crucial. I have ruled that he should be penalized for not managing his roster. We have no rule in our constitution that stipulates you must have a complete starting roster. So I think it's pretty straight forward, no?

 
Sounds like your "no rule" on having a complete starting roster is pretty clear,he screwed up

 
Give him the Dolphin D, that was clearly his intent.
I commished several leagues,INTENT opens a can of worms,had 1 owner tell me he INTENDED to start QBA but couldn't get the site to work. His QBB scored 5 pts. that week,QBA scored 25. I told him he should have called me,he said he INTENDED to but his phone wasn't working either.

 
You have no rule that would penalize him for his (presumed) accident. Yet you wish to penalize him for his (presumed) accident. I think I'm missing something. You can't just make up a rule. At most, maybe solicit input from the other owners as to what you may do. Don't take it upon yourself to create a punishment for something that has no rule.

 
Give him the Dolphin D, that was clearly his intent.
I tend to agree with this, if the owner could never have had a worse outcome by playing the defense than by benching them and the only way to fill the roster spot was with that defense. In other words, if benching the defense could only hurt him and never help him... that would indicate it was an oversight on his part and not intentional to better his game... and if the only way he could fill the missing roster spot was with that defense... then it's kind of a no-brainer that the defense should have played and adding that defense to the active roster would merely be a clerical or ministerial task (not a tactical decision)... if the owner could have filled that missing spot with something else that was available to him, though... then I don't think I would even consider giving giving him the D because the decision really wasn't "forced' but had to be actively made.

if the policy of your league is to penalize an owner for this kind of thing, that's understandable... either way, you'll have to be consistent with whatever decision you make.

 
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Ask the owner if Miami's D had scored a negative for his team this week and putting them in his lineup would cause him to go from a win to a loss if he would want you to make the correction?

You cannot go on intent. He screwed up and gets the loss. Next time he'll make sure.

 
as commish, i have allowed this. if its The only d and an over sight. also, i would need to know full league rules and see all roosters. please post.

thx

 
Sounds like he needs a jolly good rodgering. And you're just the man to do it!

 
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Don't be a #####. If he dropped and added a team its pretty clear what he was intending to do.

We just had this come up with the team playing against me actually. My opponent had all his DB's on bye and tried bidding for one Saturday night. He lost his bid and had no one to play. It's easy to verify that he in fact TRIED to grab a player. The commish asked me if he could pick up his second player since waivers locked Sunday morning. I said go ahead. I lost anyways, but it wasn't because of that.

 
I am commish who needs opinion on ruling. An owner dropped Bears Def and picked up Dolphins Def. Although, he did not place them into his starting roster. This most likely will decide the outcome of the matchup so it is crucial. I have ruled that he should be penalized for not managing his roster. We have no rule in our constitution that stipulates you must have a complete starting roster. So I think it's pretty straight forward, no?
It's very straightforward.

He gets the lineup he started, he's responsible for his own starting lineup. He gets a zero.

I will add the Phins were facing the Chargers which up front looked like it was going to be a tough matchup, no one really knows what his intent was. And if you let this owner do this other owners could decide to leave the spot empty and if it was a bad game they save themselves from the negative and if it's a great game they can claim they simply "forgot." I think you need to deny the request.

 
I am commish who needs opinion on ruling. An owner dropped Bears Def and picked up Dolphins Def. Although, he did not place them into his starting roster. This most likely will decide the outcome of the matchup so it is crucial. I have ruled that he should be penalized for not managing his roster. We have no rule in our constitution that stipulates you must have a complete starting roster. So I think it's pretty straight forward, no?
Even if he didn't claim the Dolphins defense until waivers ran presumably on Wednesday morning, he had Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning to properly set his lineup. It's 2014 - Internet connections are everywhere. I can update my lineup while taking a #2 in a Starbucks bathroom. What exactly is his excuse? How is this fair to his opponent?

Don't ruin your league because someone failed to complete a two second task.

 
I did essentially the same thing last year (dropped a def on a bye but forgot to start the def I picked up). Never even thought it might be anyone's fault but my own.

 
Is this a league full of HARDCORE SHARKS with thousands of dollars on the line? Then he takes the zero.

Is this a normal league full of reasonable people with normal lives outside the realm of magic football? Then he obviously intended to start the Dolphins D and you shouldn't penalize him because your league management software is stupid. Put them in his starting lineup.

 
Is this a normal league full of reasonable people with normal lives outside the realm of magic football? Then ...
...the commissioner shouldn't be doing a thing after initially setting up the league until he needs to load playoff teams. It is the leagues where the guy thinks he can be more fair than the software running the league that ends up in constant turmoil. Every other team is playing on the same platform.

But I agree there should be no penalty for this, just the score of zero for the position.

 
Thanks for SOME of the responses. Lol. The opposing owner decided to allow him to start the defense before last nights game. With that the team with Miami D will win the match up because of the results of NYG v Ind. I still haven't made up my mind to insert the def. I think I will not allow it. Simply, you must manage your roster. This is mostly a friendly league, not a lot of money involved. I believe it can easily turn unfriendly if the league allows roster manipulation while the games are being played. "Intent","I meant to" and "what ifs" shouldn't be allowed. I think it's more friendly if the owner in question steps up and admits his mistake or ignorance.

 
Thanks for SOME of the responses. Lol. The opposing owner decided to allow him to start the defense before last nights game. With that the team with Miami D will win the match up because of the results of NYG v Ind. I still haven't made up my mind to insert the def. I think I will not allow it. Simply, you must manage your roster. This is mostly a friendly league, not a lot of money involved. I believe it can easily turn unfriendly if the league allows roster manipulation while the games are being played. "Intent","I meant to" and "what ifs" shouldn't be allowed. I think it's more friendly if the owner in question steps up and admits his mistake or ignorance.
There's nothing really "ignorant" about assuming that if you drop your starting defense and pick up another defense, the new defense will replace the old defense in your starting lineup. It's a stupid flaw of the software that this doesn't happen. This happened to someone in our work league last year on NFL.com. The commissioner stepped in and put the defense in their starting lineup after the fact. No one batted an eye. That's what you do in a league of friends and reasonable people, IMO.

This isn't some kind of slippery slope situation where you're guessing at the owner's intent. He obviously intended for the new defense to replace the dropped defense in his starting lineup.

 
More details to the story -

The owner acquired the defense Saturday morning. I tried to contact him on Sunday morning. He wasn't aware there was even an issue until I told him about it about it Monday afternoon. So, he hadn't even looked at his lineup and I still think he hasn't looked at his lineup. So, my point is, it is ignorance.

I don't know how these facts will sway opinions here but these are the facts. Is it "fair" or "friendly" to the other 11 guys who pay attention to thier lineup?

 
Thanks for SOME of the responses. Lol. The opposing owner decided to allow him to start the defense before last nights game. With that the team with Miami D will win the match up because of the results of NYG v Ind. I still haven't made up my mind to insert the def. I think I will not allow it. Simply, you must manage your roster. This is mostly a friendly league, not a lot of money involved. I believe it can easily turn unfriendly if the league allows roster manipulation while the games are being played. "Intent","I meant to" and "what ifs" shouldn't be allowed. I think it's more friendly if the owner in question steps up and admits his mistake or ignorance.
There's nothing really "ignorant" about assuming that if you drop your starting defense and pick up another defense, the new defense will replace the old defense in your starting lineup. It's a stupid flaw of the software that this doesn't happen. This happened to someone in our work league last year on NFL.com. The commissioner stepped in and put the defense in their starting lineup after the fact. No one batted an eye. That's what you do in a league of friends and reasonable people, IMO.This isn't some kind of slippery slope situation where you're guessing at the owner's intent. He obviously intended for the new defense to replace the dropped defense in his starting lineup.
Yeah because it's so difficult, after acquiring the defense, to go through that 2 click process. 1-submit lineup, 2-check box next to defense you want to play. That's just way too much work for non-"Hardcore Sharks" who have lives outside of "magic football". That 2 seconds might make you late for work or raking the lawn or something."Reasonable people" take responsibility for their own magic football teams, you know, like everyone else.

Not everyone plays in a league of friends, lot of people play in leagues with strangers online. Either way, I'd be annoyed if a commish decided to read intent and start managing another team's roster.

This one is a no-brainer. The guy goofed up. His own fault, pay attention next time.

 
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Yeah because it's so difficult, after acquiring the defense, to go through that 2 click process. 1-submit lineup, 2-check box next to defense you want to play. That's just way too much work for non-"Hardcore Sharks" who have lives outside of "magic football". That 2 seconds might make you late for work or raking the lawn or something.
Where did I ever say or even imply that it's difficult? Of course it would be easy to do so in two seconds. It's also reasonable to think that such a check isn't necessary if you're dropping your starting defense for another defense.

If this was 1994 and we were still calling in our transactions to the commissioner on a landline phone, would you have to specify, "Oh by the way, when I drop my defense and pick up this other defense, I want the new defense to go into my starting lineup in their place"? Of course not. Has the standard of "reasonableness" changed in the last 20 years that now a commissioner can pretend that he has no idea what the owner's intention was?

Not everyone plays in a league of friends, lot of people play in leagues with strangers online.
Of course, but I addressed this distinction in my first response and OP already mentioned that this is a friendly league with not a lot of money on the line, so the fact that a lot of people play in leagues with strangers online seems a bit irrelevant.

I'd be annoyed if a commish decided to read intent and start managing another team's roster.
I'd be annoyed if a commish declined to correct what is obviously an honest mistake caused by poor software design, but there's always room for reasonable people to disagree on these things.

In my two local friends leagues, it would be a no-brainer that the guy would get to start the defense. I can't imagine playing with "friends" who would argue otherwise. In 99% of cases I'm with everyone else, a commissioner shouldn't be messing with people's lineups. But this one's such a no-brainer that it's exactly the kind of exception that falls in the remaining 1%. :shrug:

 
Give him the Dolphin D, that was clearly his intent.
I commished several leagues,INTENT opens a can of worms,had 1 owner tell me he INTENDED to start QBA but couldn't get the site to work. His QBB scored 5 pts. that week,QBA scored 25. I told him he should have called me,he said he INTENDED to but his phone wasn't working either.
It's a little different when you only have 1 Defense and can play only one.

Sometimes common sense has to take over.

 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Gandalf the Grey said:
Yeah because it's so difficult, after acquiring the defense, to go through that 2 click process. 1-submit lineup, 2-check box next to defense you want to play. That's just way too much work for non-"Hardcore Sharks" who have lives outside of "magic football". That 2 seconds might make you late for work or raking the lawn or something.
Where did I ever say or even imply that it's difficult? Of course it would be easy to do so in two seconds. It's also reasonable to think that such a check isn't necessary if you're dropping your starting defense for another defense.If this was 1994 and we were still calling in our transactions to the commissioner on a landline phone, would you have to specify, "Oh by the way, when I drop my defense and pick up this other defense, I want the new defense to go into my starting lineup in their place"? Of course not. Has the standard of "reasonableness" changed in the last 20 years that now a commissioner can pretend that he has no idea what the owner's intention was?
Not everyone plays in a league of friends, lot of people play in leagues with strangers online.
Of course, but I addressed this distinction in my first response and OP already mentioned that this is a friendly league with not a lot of money on the line, so the fact that a lot of people play in leagues with strangers online seems a bit irrelevant.
I'd be annoyed if a commish decided to read intent and start managing another team's roster.
I'd be annoyed if a commish declined to correct what is obviously an honest mistake caused by poor software design, but there's always room for reasonable people to disagree on these things.In my two local friends leagues, it would be a no-brainer that the guy would get to start the defense. I can't imagine playing with "friends" who would argue otherwise. In 99% of cases I'm with everyone else, a commissioner shouldn't be messing with people's lineups. But this one's such a no-brainer that it's exactly the kind of exception that falls in the remaining 1%. :shrug:
You implied it was difficult in your earlier post when you said something about people with lives outside magic football. Everyone has lives outside magic football.

You're right about the friendly league part, I glossed over that when I read the OP. That doesn't change anything IMO. I commished a local league of friends for many years. I wouldn't have managed the roster and those friends/league members would have had a fit if I did. It was a low money league. That was the least important factor, bragging rights was more important.

The fact that it was a friendly league applies both ways as well. If it's "only" a friendly league then it's just as valid to expect the owner who goofed to eat his mistake.

And the mistake wasn't "caused" by poor software design. It was "caused " by an owner not paying attention.

Reasonable people can disagree, sure. There's always one or two people in a league one year or another (in my experience) who want "do-overs" of one type or another for their team or someone else's team. I've personally always felt that simple magic football rules and processes should apply across the board and I'd never expect it to be different for myself, friendly league or otherwise.

 

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