Commish submits emergency lineups!?! (1 Viewer)

[the UFFRM]

I am in a lower stakes league that drafted a month ago. Yesterday a league-mate told me that the commish has been submitting so-called "emergency lineups" for teams who he felt might not get around to it or "couldn't find the website"!?! I personally did not think this was right because IMO it is not the commissioner's duty to manage any team other than his own. I understand if it is a case where there is input from the owner if they can't get to a computer but the draft was literally more than four weeks ago. There have been issues in the past where said commisioner has wanted to change scoring or lineup reqs. post-draft in years past and has displayed other instances of micro-management and general fussiness.

I stated my position that this practice was out-of-line on the league MB and owners should be left to sink or swim on their own merit. Everyone that is willing to throw money and time at FF should know when lineups are due and act accordingly. Is this practice unheard of? Am I out-of-line? This guy is a little high strung and felt attacked by my post but the other problem is that I'm the only guy who speaks out when anything like this goes on. I hate to be the bad guy but this guy wants to paint me as the hardass who takes FF too seriously. I am angry because I feel like he's overstepped his boundaries. Please discuss.

 

[Bri]

I'd just figure it's wanting to get off to a good start.

Alot of leagues have a "last week's starters start again if no lineup is submitted" rule. Well it's week 1.

Plenty of time for owners to submit a lineup and no one will start with a goose-egg.

I think it's weird and all but I wouldn't get too upset about it or anything

 

[Billy1x]

Yes, the first game of the year. All line ups need to be filled. Its not the owner who didn't set up the line up who suffers but the rest of the league because the other guy got a free win.

 

[the UFFRM]

Yes, the first game of the year. All line ups need to be filled. Its not the owner who didn't set up the line up who suffers but the rest of the league because the other guy got a free win.

Exactly. Why does the commish get to decide who might set one or who might not. He did this Wed. nite. What if he starts someone the owner wouldn't have started and it changes the outcome. Not cool.

 

[the UFFRM]

This league does have the last week's starters lineup rule but that should mean the importance of the first submission and not give the commish an excuse to give random slack*** owners a leg up.

 

[LAUNCH]

Depends on the league, and depends on the commish. I think the general rule of the commish is that your job first and foremost is to think about the big picture and the integrity of the league even over your own team. If this is a group of friends I think it's a different set of rules than just a group from the internet. Do you know for sure that he is not talking to these guys on the phone and just clicking the buttons for them in order to make sure that everyone at least has a legit week 1 lineup? If your in a league where people are probably not going to be looking at their teams at all (leave the league) then the job he is doing as the commish is huge because these lineups could be the same for then next month or so.

My suggestion would be to get anyone who can't "call" in the lineup out of the league asap, but from the limited information it appears to me that the commish is doing exactly what he is supposed to do so that there are no free games for anyone, even if this means that the team he helped out wins.

LAUNCH

 

[eefflrat]

This league does have the last week's starters lineup rule but that should mean the importance of the first submission and not give the commish an excuse to give random slack*** owners a leg up.

dude, who did the Commish start against you that is driving you nuts? Did the guy you were playing say "Thank God the commish started Manning for me, I forgot there was a game on Thursday?"This doesn't seem like a big deal for me. It's week 1, you're looking for a freebie?

 

[jon_mx]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

 

[mdog1967]

I am in a lower stakes league that drafted a month ago. Yesterday a league-mate told me that the commish has been submitting so-called "emergency lineups" for teams who he felt might not get around to it or "couldn't find the website"!?! I personally did not think this was right because IMO it is not the commissioner's duty to manage any team other than his own. I understand if it is a case where there is input from the owner if they can't get to a computer but the draft was literally more than four weeks ago. There have been issues in the past where said commisioner has wanted to change scoring or lineup reqs. post-draft in years past and has displayed other instances of micro-management and general fussiness. I stated my position that this practice was out-of-line on the league MB and owners should be left to sink or swim on their own merit. Everyone that is willing to throw money and time at FF should know when lineups are due and act accordingly. Is this practice unheard of? Am I out-of-line? This guy is a little high strung and felt attacked by my post but the other problem is that I'm the only guy who speaks out when anything like this goes on. I hate to be the bad guy but this guy wants to paint me as the hardass who takes FF too seriously. I am angry because I feel like he's overstepped his boundaries. Please discuss.

If your the Team that was grinning because you thought you would get a leg up cause one of the owners didnt set his linup, shame on you. What the hell is a win pitting your savay drafting skills against another if you get a freebie. The whole point of FF is to try and out wit the other league members. If its for the Money and it sounds like its not than I can kinda understand. Your commish did the right thing. In my keeper league a few years ago I almost got thrown out, I didnt know that every week I had to submit a linup. I thought my last week would carry over, because I was near the bottom of the league they thought I was throwing games to get the first pick in the following years draft, the commish made sure to set my lineup and it didnt change anything I still sucked but to keep the integrity of the league in check, no team gets a by week win. Just push to get the lazy owners out and dont invite them back next year. Your here posting, if your smart enough to come to this site and Post then you dont need any freebies. Good luck and whip the dudes ### this week and put an exclamation point on it for good measure. If your not enjoying the game you should find another hobby. Its supposed to be fun, it dont mean much if you get into the playoffs cause you have bad or lazy owners. "just give me your best game"

 

[Billy1x]

Yes, the first game of the year. All line ups need to be filled. Its not the owner who didn't set up the line up who suffers but the rest of the league because the other guy got a free win.

Exactly. Why does the commish get to decide who might set one or who might not. He did this Wed. nite. What if he starts someone the owner wouldn't have started and it changes the outcome. Not cool.

I am assuming in this case that there are NO players in the line up at all. Several sites work this way which means the owner gets a zero for the total score and the opponent gets a win. All the commish is doing is loading a default lineup, its up to the owner to set the weekly lineup.IF there are already players loaded then the commish has no business touching the line up.

 

[Billy1x]

I am in a lower stakes league that drafted a month ago. Yesterday a league-mate told me that the commish has been submitting so-called "emergency lineups" for teams who he felt might not get around to it or "couldn't find the website"!?! I personally did not think this was right because IMO it is not the commissioner's duty to manage any team other than his own. I understand if it is a case where there is input from the owner if they can't get to a computer but the draft was literally more than four weeks ago. There have been issues in the past where said commisioner has wanted to change scoring or lineup reqs. post-draft in years past and has displayed other instances of micro-management and general fussiness. I stated my position that this practice was out-of-line on the league MB and owners should be left to sink or swim on their own merit. Everyone that is willing to throw money and time at FF should know when lineups are due and act accordingly. Is this practice unheard of? Am I out-of-line? This guy is a little high strung and felt attacked by my post but the other problem is that I'm the only guy who speaks out when anything like this goes on. I hate to be the bad guy but this guy wants to paint me as the hardass who takes FF too seriously. I am angry because I feel like he's overstepped his boundaries. Please discuss.

If your the Team that was grinning because you thought you would get a leg up cause one of the owners didnt set his linup, shame on you. What the hell is a win pitting your savay drafting skills against another if you get a freebie. The whole point of FF is to try and out wit the other league members. If its for the Money and it sounds like its not than I can kinda understand. Your commish did the right thing. In my keeper league a few years ago I almost got thrown out, I didnt know that every week I had to submit a linup. I thought my last week would carry over, because I was near the bottom of the league they thought I was throwing games to get the first pick in the following years draft, the commish made sure to set my lineup and it didnt change anything I still sucked but to keep the integrity of the league in check, no team gets a by week win. Just push to get the lazy owners out and dont invite them back next year. Your here posting, if your smart enough to come to this site and Post then you dont need any freebies. Good luck and whip the dudes ### this week and put an exclamation point on it for good measure. If your not enjoying the game you should find another hobby. Its supposed to be fun, it dont mean much if you get into the playoffs cause you have bad or lazy owners. "just give me your best game"

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

Who on earth "can't find the site"? There is so much time before week 1, and if an owner can't set his lineup, it's too bad in my opinion. There is no excuse for not having a lineup of some kind set. If people can't make it to their league to set their lineup, they should find another hobby.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

The commish should only tinker with lineups when asked to do so, especially when there is money involved. If an owner can't get to a computer (or find the site, haha), then it is his/her responsibility to notify the commish to make appropriate changes to their lineup. Anyone who forgets to check their lineup has no interest in FF, and is only wasting their money, and other people's time.

I wonder how many leagues are going to have Terry Glenn starting this week?

 

[Mr.Pack]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

I agree, I think OP was in line to get a freebie and is now hacked that he didn't.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

I tend to share the concern addressed in the opening post. As a general rule if an owner does not have the interest to submit a lineup for week 1 when is he going to? You may be looking at a team that will not be submitting a roster all season. If so, the bye week will get distributed over the season plus the #1 pick will be an added attraction when you recruit a new owner.

That said if it is known that there even might be a reason for the failure to submit a roster - owner arranged a sub to cover his draft because he was gone and has not checked in again yet or if a starting lineup was submitted but because of roster size limitations it was not accepted (think this issue has come up before?)- then I think you can begin considering an exception to the rule - but the rule should be the owner is responsible and pays the price if they drop the ball.

A free week is no different really than when an owner submits a poorly thought out lineup - no one would think the commish should come in and make corrections do they? It's all a matter of scale.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

The commish should only tinker with lineups when asked to do so, especially when there is money involved. If an owner can't get to a computer (or find the site, haha), then it is his/her responsibility to notify the commish to make appropriate changes to their lineup. Anyone who forgets to check their lineup has no interest in FF, and is only wasting their money, and other people's time.I wonder how many leagues are going to have Terry Glenn starting this week?

I know I almost did.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

setting lineups is part of the game too.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

setting lineups is part of the game too.

Often a point lost so close to the draft which often is the most active portion of the season.

 

[flyingsushi]

I don't believe the commish should tinker with anyone's lineup. Whats the difference between week 1 or week 10? None. Especially for a money league. I bet he wouldn't put in the best lineup for someone who forgot if he were playing them that week. Besides, that opens a can of worms that I don't prefer to be in on. You can't set the presidence of emergency lineups sometimes and not all the time. I can promise the person who lost because the emergency lineup rule was in place for week1 and not week 9 or whatever has every right to be pissed.

If there is money on the line, then that should be enough motivation for people to know when the season started for god's sake. I mean really, who in their right mind didn't know the Colts were going to spank the Saints on Thursday?

Emergency lineups are crap unless it is agreed upon before the season.

 

[matuski]

setting lineups is part of the game too.

Often a point lost so close to the draft which often is the most active portion of the season.

 

[Sweet Love]

This sounds like a very casual league with a lot of newbies in it. Is that the case?

 

[coolnerd]

This sounds like a very casual league with a lot of newbies in it. Is that the case?

This is my thought also. Seems most of the other members of your league likes the idea of being able to go, "hey commish I am busy with life, could you set my line-up." For most FBGs this is heresy, not so much for a guy who thinks its a silly FF league and not a big deal.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think the main point is that nobody else in the league complains about stuff like this; they seem happy with it. If this is acceptable in this league, you have to roll with it if you're going to play. I learned a long time ago that my job isn't to "reform" every league I'm in to get them into "game shape." If it works for them it's a good system, even if it wouldn't fly in any of my other leagues.

I would say that your thinking is like most on this board, but not in your league. So just leave it alone and enjoy the camaraderie (or whatever reason you joined).

 

[Nate]

Yes, the first game of the year. All line ups need to be filled. Its not the owner who didn't set up the line up who suffers but the rest of the league because the other guy got a free win.

This is the correct answer. If week 1 is starting and I've got an owner who hasn't filled a lineup, I fill it for him, but only on the first week if they are starting NOBODY.Why would you even want a win by forfeit?

 

[bentley]

Yes, the first game of the year. All line ups need to be filled. Its not the owner who didn't set up the line up who suffers but the rest of the league because the other guy got a free win.

This is the correct answer. If week 1 is starting and I've got an owner who hasn't filled a lineup, I fill it for him, but only on the first week if they are starting NOBODY.Why would you even want a win by forfeit?

I've done this a couple times over the last 13 years in our league. I usually pick a source (FFIndex back in the day, FBG now) and start the guys who are projected to score the most points this season for them. Once they're set for the first week, I won't touch them again, but it's not fair to everyone else if somebody picks up a win against a team that scores 0.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

I've done this a couple times over the last 13 years in our league. I usually pick a source (FFIndex back in the day, FBG now) and start the guys who are projected to score the most points this season for them. Once they're set for the first week, I won't touch them again, but it's not fair to everyone else if somebody picks up a win against a team that scores 0.

I admit I have done the same setting a lineup for an opposing team but wasn't and am still not convinced it is an automatic benefit to the league.How is it not fair to the rest of the league if you have an owner that drops the ball? Either the owner abdicated and everyone will eventually obtain a bye or it is a lesson learned by that owner and the league is better because of it. Should the focus be a he lucked out and I didn't so it is not fair mentality? If the rules are good for weeks 2 through the playoffs then why is week 1 necessarily different? I have never looked at it as me or someone else WANTING the freebie but accepting that is a part of the game as much as injuries, forgetting to change for bye weeks, not submitting a full roster...

 

[Dt's Mules]

this isn't a big deal at all...if you have any gripe, it would be that he should have entered the lineups for the vacant rosters with the players in the order in which they were drafted (thus taking any "thinking" out of the lineup submission process)

 

[1huskerfan]

this isn't a big deal at all...if you have any gripe, it would be that he should have entered the lineups for the vacant rosters with the players in the order in which they were drafted (thus taking any "thinking" out of the lineup submission process)

Anyone upset about not getting a walk in week 1 is a complete nit.

 

[Shrek]

I am in two different leagues with the following rule.

When the commissioner is setting intial rosters after the draft, the first player drafted at each starting position is your default starter for week 1.

In other words, if you start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF/ST, the first QB you drafted is automatically your starter, the first 2 RB's you drafted are your starters, etc. Of course an owner is free to manipulate their lineup after original rosters are submitted, but this eliminates the chance that someone will have a blank roster in week 1.

 

[The Gator]

I don't believe the commish should tinker with anyone's lineup. Whats the difference between week 1 or week 10? None.

Big difference. If week 10's line up isn't in, then week 9's ill be put in. Not so much for week 1.

 

[the UFFRM]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

I agree, I think OP was in line to get a freebie and is now hacked that he didn't.

Henry, T.O., Wayne, Hous, Porter, Witten, Norwood, K. Jones, M. Turner. Chris Brown, Ginn Jr., SD DEF. (three D's in top 10 last year), Nedney, Big Ben2RB, 4WR, 1 TE, QB, K, DEFOP either wins this league or finishes in the money, minimum. I would love to have everyone's best game just not what the commish's version of everyone's best game.

 

[the UFFRM]

I've done this a couple times over the last 13 years in our league. I usually pick a source (FFIndex back in the day, FBG now) and start the guys who are projected to score the most points this season for them. Once they're set for the first week, I won't touch them again, but it's not fair to everyone else if somebody picks up a win against a team that scores 0.

I see the point here too.

 

[bentley]

Several of us posted based on an assumption that I don't see answered here. Was the commish:

(a) Replacing blank lineups with someone's projected high scorer? or

(b) Taking existing lineups and adjusting them based upon who he thinks "should" be starting this week?

If it's (a), I think it's a fair practice as I said earlier. If it's (b), then you've got a problem.

 

[Bossman]

as a commishioner I was up against this same situation...

with only hours to go before kickoff I had 2 teams without lineups submitted.

I considered jumping in to save the owners much greif thinking real life must have taken priority over ff...

but I decided to leave it in hopes of teaching the owners a lesson (and not making it any easier for these owners to "not participate").

Both owners did get their lineups in... had they not, they could have still done so by Sunday 12:55, but without the option of any IND or NOS players.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

I agree, I think OP was in line to get a freebie and is now hacked that he didn't.

Henry, T.O., Wayne, Hous, Porter, Witten, Norwood, K. Jones, M. Turner. Chris Brown, Ginn Jr., SD DEF. (three D's in top 10 last year), Nedney, Big Ben2RB, 4WR, 1 TE, QB, K, DEFOP either wins this league or finishes in the money, minimum. I would love to have everyone's best game just not what the commish's version of everyone's best game.

OMG what a freakin awesome team...i don't know why you're concerned about the commish...with a lineup like that you are a LOCK to winare you available to help with next year's draft?

 

[kensat30]

Zero point week 1's could easily ruin a league IMO. Forget about what the commish did for a second here. Forget about the owners who didn't set their lineups for whatever reason. Do you really want the league to work this year? Do you care if you weren't in it?

You said yourself that this is a low stakes league. The only way I would put up a big argument for this is if you want the money. Because it's bad for the league to have empty lineups in week 1 from any other angle you look at it.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Week 1, not a big deal.

Owner called due to lack of computer access, not a big deal.

From the flip side,

As a commish,

When owners don't have the interest to submit lineups, rank players for the draft, read the rules or play ethically,

I really question the effort they and I put into the league.

Enforcing rules with no regrets is a lot easier too. When I start to see some effort like reading emails, you'll get 100%.

Until then, thanks for being a league donor.

 

[smackdaddies]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

Who on earth "can't find the site"? There is so much time before week 1, and if an owner can't set his lineup, it's too bad in my opinion. There is no excuse for not having a lineup of some kind set. If people can't make it to their league to set their lineup, they should find another hobby.

A co worker who was on the road all week and having laptop problems. He is working the 35 bridge collapse job and putting in 16 hour days. So I, as commish, talked to him on the phone and set his line up.Anyone who can't see the reason in that doesnt belong in any leagues I am in.

 

[the UFFRM]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

I agree, I think OP was in line to get a freebie and is now hacked that he didn't.

Henry, T.O., Wayne, Hous, Porter, Witten, Norwood, K. Jones, M. Turner. Chris Brown, Ginn Jr., SD DEF. (three D's in top 10 last year), Nedney, Big Ben2RB, 4WR, 1 TE, QB, K, DEFOP either wins this league or finishes in the money, minimum. I would love to have everyone's best game just not what the commish's version of everyone's best game.

OMG what a freakin awesome team...i don't know why you're concerned about the commish...with a lineup like that you are a LOCK to winare you available to help with next year's draft?

Anybody that is a regular on these boards probably would've drafted this team. I just made a plan and everybody fell right to me. The kicker is that this is a 14 teamer. You could also go with two TEs and 3 WRS but value wasn't there. I work with with a lot of people in this league and am friend with most so I really just want what's best for everybody.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

Who on earth "can't find the site"? There is so much time before week 1, and if an owner can't set his lineup, it's too bad in my opinion. There is no excuse for not having a lineup of some kind set. If people can't make it to their league to set their lineup, they should find another hobby.

A co worker who was on the road all week and having laptop problems. He is working the 35 bridge collapse job and putting in 16 hour days. So I, as commish, talked to him on the phone and set his line up.Anyone who can't see the reason in that doesnt belong in any leagues I am in.

Not setting a lineup for week one and calling one in to the commish are two totally different things.The guy I was playing this week was the only team not to set his lineup days, if not weeks ahead of time. I thought he might have been doing it just to play head games with me. I am the commish. I didn't set his lineup. He set it half an hour before the deadline.

 

[Holland Freeze]

Why would you be upset. You should want to beat the best team your opponent has. Who wants to win because people can't log on or find the site.

Who on earth "can't find the site"? There is so much time before week 1, and if an owner can't set his lineup, it's too bad in my opinion. There is no excuse for not having a lineup of some kind set. If people can't make it to their league to set their lineup, they should find another hobby.

A co worker who was on the road all week and having laptop problems. He is working the 35 bridge collapse job and putting in 16 hour days. So I, as commish, talked to him on the phone and set his line up.Anyone who can't see the reason in that doesnt belong in any leagues I am in.

Not setting a lineup for week one and calling one in to the commish are two totally different things.The guy I was playing this week was the only team not to set his lineup days, if not weeks ahead of time. I thought he might have been doing it just to play head games with me. I am the commish. I didn't set his lineup. He set it half an hour before the deadline.

Phoning in a lineup v the commish acting on his own initiative are 2 separate issues. The original post addressed the first and raises a valid concern. I also did not get the impression that the posters concern was not getting a free victory. Working on the 35 bridge is all well and good - nice sympathy ploy. Are the hours a sudden change - no? Is there a need to not set a lineup prior to the last minute - no? By the same token there is nothing wrong with calling in to the commish OR the commish following up and calling him to assist. But if you can not at least see there is a legit concern for the scenario that was provided then you may be correct sir - I would not belong in a league with you.

Is it everyone's impression then that rules and regulatons for a league are to be ignored when convenient? There are several posts about how bad a blank slate is for a league but no explanation why that is any worse than aiding an owner that has dropped the ball - it is usually better for the league to weed out those that are not interested as soon as possible. If it was an isolated mistake it is simply whining over someone who caught an advantage that you did not.