Commisioner Cheating (1 Viewer)

[Purdue Pete]

I'm playing the commissioner in the 2nd round, winner gets 5% of kitty and goes to the Super-Bowl (25%).

I'm also in 2nd for Total Points (45% of kitty)

Here's what I found and sent to our league:

I could live with the "Google 8am" waiver wire pick-up rule, but now my limit has been reached.

The commissioner has violated his powers by changing his line-up after the game was in progress.

Cut and paste the following link, or check for your self on the league web-site (assuming the transactions have not been deleted).

http://picasaweb.google.com/pete.grimley/F...548533872330354

At 7:15pm Gore was on the Bench, MBIII was in the line-up.

Aparently as the game progessed, the commisioner (note that after the game started he had to use his LM priviledges to change his line-up) couldn't decided between Gore and MBIII, what was the final straw, when Gore went over the 100yard mark in the 3rd quarter ~9;51pm, Gore gets put back in the line-up, replacing MBIII.

This is BULL ####. Seriously, I'd like to know what lame excuse you have. There isn't one. You cheated, you were caught.

I'm DONE, I QUIT, I WANT A REFUND.

Should I bench the rest of my starters or drop them ? or should I wait see what lame excuse he come's up with ??

 

[ptsteelers]

WOW. That is really screwed up.

....Should I bench the rest of my starters or drop them ?

NO. NEVER.Play your team out.Take this to the rest of the league and vote the living hell out of it.But never revolt by sitting your players. It does you NO GOOD to do so.EDIT - Good luckEDIT 2 - Or ... if you have a player scoring more than one of your starters, ask ... no, DEMAND he does the same for you.

 

[Courtjester]

WOW. That is really screwed up.

....Should I bench the rest of my starters or drop them ?

NO. NEVER.Play your team out.Take this to the rest of the league and vote the living hell out of it.But never revolt by sitting your players. It does you NO GOOD to do so.EDIT - Good luckEDIT 2 - Or ... if you have a player scoring more than one of your starters, ask ... no, DEMAND he does the same for you.

Make sure you point this out to the league.This is an automatic forfeit for him regardleass of how his lineup fares and then find another league next year.

 

[John Facenda]

I would enjoy seeing MBIII score a couple of TD's and get 100 yds combined against the Eagles today.

 

[Purdue Pete]

WOW. That is really screwed up.

....Should I bench the rest of my starters or drop them ?

NO. NEVER.Play your team out.Take this to the rest of the league and vote the living hell out of it.But never revolt by sitting your players. It does you NO GOOD to do so.EDIT - Good luckEDIT 2 - Or ... if you have a player scoring more than one of your starters, ask ... no, DEMAND he does the same for you.

Make sure you point this out to the league.This is an automatic forfeit for him regardleass of how his lineup fares and then find another league next year.

Posted on the league website message board, emailed all league members this morning.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

As a commish myself I am shocked at some of the stuff I see go on at this boards. Are you in a league that is full of friends or just something you found on the web? Either way its BS and I would make sure not to be in a league like this next season.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

I would say one of two things have to happen...

1. He forfeits that position for your matchup

2. He forfeits the game.

Oh, and

3. Everyone quits that league or kicks him out.

That's basically fraud. Manipulating the system to get yourself more money.

What a punk.

 

[u999spf]

His team should have to forfeit. Also - The remaining league members should kick the commissioner out of the league for good and a new commissioner should take over.

Just having the commish forfeit may not save the season....Depending on the other owners in your league, they may all want refunds and to just stop the league. Because of this incident, all previous week scores and previous seasons for that matter will be called into question. Everyone will wonder if the commish pulled the same stunts in previous weeks and is that why he made it to the playoffs?

Owners that are not paid up may decide to not send in their payments because of this and you can't really blame them. It will certainly suck for the eventual winners but they may not be able to collect the cash sue to them.

 

[jetpack]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. After something similar happened in my league we implemented a co-commish to validate the actions of the commish (trades, last minute line-up changes, etc.)

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

And what good does this do us?

We want name, address, league name etc so we can avoid the guy and make a pariah of him.

Of course, if you're lieing...

 

[Nemesis]

http://picasaweb.google.com/pete.grimley/F...548533872330354

Nice album....... (hit slideshow or the back arrow to see the rest of them)As for your situation:

1-Let the commissioner respond....if he doesn't, then I'd assume he knows he cheated.

2-If that is the case, then PLAIN & SIMPLE.......he forfeits the game NOW and you advance. Do not accept anything less or let him "play out the game".

3-Worry about the $$.....Is he holding it? If so, I'd recommend you solicit SOMEBODY ELSE in the league to get it from him. If YOU make a big stink about it, it's going to make it more diffiicult.

 

[Phurfur]

Play to win and worry about everything else later. MBII may still out score Gore.

 

[Tanner9919]

I'm playing the commissioner in the 2nd round, winner gets 5% of kitty and goes to the Super-Bowl (25%).

I'm also in 2nd for Total Points (45% of kitty)

Here's what I found and sent to our league:

I could live with the "Google 8am" waiver wire pick-up rule, but now my limit has been reached.

The commissioner has violated his powers by changing his line-up after the game was in progress.

Cut and paste the following link, or check for your self on the league web-site (assuming the transactions have not been deleted).

http://picasaweb.google.com/pete.grimley/F...548533872330354

At 7:15pm Gore was on the Bench, MBIII was in the line-up.

Aparently as the game progessed, the commisioner (note that after the game started he had to use his LM priviledges to change his line-up) couldn't decided between Gore and MBIII, what was the final straw, when Gore went over the 100yard mark in the 3rd quarter ~9;51pm, Gore gets put back in the line-up, replacing MBIII.

This is BULL ####. Seriously, I'd like to know what lame excuse you have. There isn't one. You cheated, you were caught.

I'm DONE, I QUIT, I WANT A REFUND.

Should I bench the rest of my starters or drop them ? or should I wait see what lame excuse he come's up with ??

not only should you post it on your league's website that the commish is a FRAUD, but also start talking about replacing the commish and even start thinking about kicking him out of the league.. if the guy running the league cheats, you have to push him aside for someone else..

also, try adding two co-commissioners, that way 3 heads can vote on things, you don't have one guy running everything.

 

[ptsteelers]

Soooo Pete,

Any word from the e-mails yet ?

 

[Purdue Pete]

http://picasaweb.google.com/pete.grimley/F...548533872330354

Nice album....... (hit slideshow or the back arrow to see the rest of them)

Some of those will be recognized from this site, I changed my Team Name to "Fantasy Bust" because I started 0-7Now on an 8 game streak, 2nd in points, 1 game away from Superbowl.

As for your situation:

1-Let the commissioner respond....if he doesn't, then I'd assume he knows he cheated.

2-If that is the case, then PLAIN & SIMPLE.......he forfeits the game NOW and you advance. Do not accept anything less or let him "play out the game".

3-Worry about the $$.....Is he holding it? If so, I'd recommend you solicit SOMEBODY ELSE in the league to get it from him. If YOU make a big stink about it, it's going to make it more diffiicult.

Rec'd a response from commisioner.He fully admitted that he had changed his line-up after the game, something about not being home and he changed it right after the game started, blah. blah.

I followed up with

Who made the line-up change at 7:15pm if you weren't home.

Then, he changed line-up at 8:27, after game had started.

Two more line-up changes swapping between Gore and MBIII at 9:15 and again at 9:51pm.

His stand, as of right now, is

1) He put MBIII back in his line-up as it was at the beginning of the game

I said "If you think this fixes it, you are wrong, you FORFEIT"

2) He said "I will not FORFEIT"

I said "Let the league decide"

Meanwhile, I will let the games play out, today and tommorrow and see what happens.

 

[Purdue Pete]

Soooo Pete,Any word from the e-mails yet ?

Co-Commisioner has suggested that which ever between MBIII and Gore score the fewest points,this will be who is inserted in the commisioner's line-up.Reasoning was that he obviously couldn't decide, but was going to play one or the other.I disagreed, if he had left MBIII in the line-up he could have changed to one of his other RB's before the gamesstarted today.I also said, I coulnd't decide between C.Portis and S.Young, so do I get to choose who scores the MOST points afterthe games are played.I'm holding to my FORFEIT stance. Despite what the co-commsioner says.

 

[Mene]

The only option he has is to Forfeit. Anything less is just not enough for something like this. I wish you luck in getting the league behind you, and in your game if it has to be played out. That is really unbelievable... as a commisioner in a money league, I cannot imagine what it takes to cheat at all, let alone so blatantly.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Forfeit.

 

[mcjc4]

Soooo Pete,Any word from the e-mails yet ?

Co-Commisioner has suggested that which ever between MBIII and Gore score the fewest points,this will be who is inserted in the commisioner's line-up.Reasoning was that he obviously couldn't decide, but was going to play one or the other.I disagreed, if he had left MBIII in the line-up he could have changed to one of his other RB's before the gamesstarted today.I also said, I coulnd't decide between C.Portis and S.Young, so do I get to choose who scores the MOST points afterthe games are played.I'm holding to my FORFEIT stance. Despite what the co-commsioner says.

How does he not forfeit? Just to save some dignity. i would continue to ask how all those changes were made when he wasn"t home until he answers that question. i would post the question 5 or 6 times today until he answers.i am guessing this is a friends or co-workers league? That is the only way the co-commish could be taking the position he is taking. Are they friends? Betting they are.

 

[Nemesis]

Co-Commisioner has suggested that which ever between MBIII and Gore score the fewest points,

this will be who is inserted in the commisioner's line-up.

Reasoning was that he obviously couldn't decide, but was going to play one or the other.

I'm holding to my FORFEIT stance. Despite what the co-commsioner says.

What is the relationship of the commissioner to the co-commissioner?"Couldn't decide" is couldn't decide (flip a coin if that's the case)..............Cheating is what he did......you don't lower your standards of acceptance

 

[BoneYardDog]

Forfeit is the only honorable answer...

But he is obviously not an honorable person, he is a pathetic POS...

Anyone else in the league that does not agree that the should forfeit this game for cheating are wrong...

The co-commish is wrong for suggesting anything less...

This is a money league there should be no excuse for this EVER...

Edited to add: Point everyone in the league to this thread or cut and paste from this thread to your league message board. Do not let up, do not let this stand...

 

[Phurfur]

http://picasaweb.google.com/pete.grimley/F...548533872330354

Nice album....... (hit slideshow or the back arrow to see the rest of them)

Some of those will be recognized from this site, I changed my Team Name to "Fantasy Bust" because I started 0-7Now on an 8 game streak, 2nd in points, 1 game away from Superbowl.

As for your situation:

1-Let the commissioner respond....if he doesn't, then I'd assume he knows he cheated.

2-If that is the case, then PLAIN & SIMPLE.......he forfeits the game NOW and you advance. Do not accept anything less or let him "play out the game".

3-Worry about the $$.....Is he holding it? If so, I'd recommend you solicit SOMEBODY ELSE in the league to get it from him. If YOU make a big stink about it, it's going to make it more diffiicult.

Rec'd a response from commisioner.He fully admitted that he had changed his line-up after the game, something about not being home and he changed it right after the game started, blah. blah.

I followed up with

Who made the line-up change at 7:15pm if you weren't home.

Then, he changed line-up at 8:27, after game had started.

Two more line-up changes swapping between Gore and MBIII at 9:15 and again at 9:51pm.

His stand, as of right now, is

1) He put MBIII back in his line-up as it was at the beginning of the game

I said "If you think this fixes it, you are wrong, you FORFEIT"

2) He said "I will not FORFEIT"

I said "Let the league decide"

Meanwhile, I will let the games play out, today and tommorrow and see what happens.

This guy needs to be punched out. Then he might get it.

 

[shadyridr]

I would enjoy seeing MBIII score a couple of TD's and get 100 yds combined against the Eagles today.

Why? Then he'll just swap him back in for Gore

 

[jockoe]

Rec'd a response from commisioner.He fully admitted that he had changed his line-up after the game, something about not being home and he changed it right after the game started, blah. blah.

This reasoning is lame. If a person is not home to make line-up changes, "tough luck". He does not get special privileges just because he is the commissioner. Do the owners that are not the commissioner get to make changes after the game starts? "I doubt it". He obviously cheated, but if he is holding the prize money you will not get him to forfeit. If you can get him to agree to your co-commissioner's deal and take the lower score of the 2 players involved, I think you've got the absolute best deal in this debacle that you are going to get.Definately quit this league after this year.

 

[fsufan]

http://picasaweb.google.com/pete.grimley/F...548533872330354

Nice album....... (hit slideshow or the back arrow to see the rest of them)

Some of those will be recognized from this site, I changed my Team Name to "Fantasy Bust" because I started 0-7Now on an 8 game streak, 2nd in points, 1 game away from Superbowl.

As for your situation:

1-Let the commissioner respond....if he doesn't, then I'd assume he knows he cheated.

2-If that is the case, then PLAIN & SIMPLE.......he forfeits the game NOW and you advance. Do not accept anything less or let him "play out the game".

3-Worry about the $$.....Is he holding it? If so, I'd recommend you solicit SOMEBODY ELSE in the league to get it from him. If YOU make a big stink about it, it's going to make it more diffiicult.

Rec'd a response from commisioner.He fully admitted that he had changed his line-up after the game, something about not being home and he changed it right after the game started, blah. blah.

I followed up with

Who made the line-up change at 7:15pm if you weren't home.

Then, he changed line-up at 8:27, after game had started.

Two more line-up changes swapping between Gore and MBIII at 9:15 and again at 9:51pm.

His stand, as of right now, is

1) He put MBIII back in his line-up as it was at the beginning of the game

I said "If you think this fixes it, you are wrong, you FORFEIT"

2) He said "I will not FORFEIT"

I said "Let the league decide"

Meanwhile, I will let the games play out, today and tommorrow and see what happens.

he should forfeit the game and be removed from the league next year.

 

[Guru]

Have a league meeting in person and take him out to the woodshed!

 

[middleweightcontender]

Definitely quit after this year, or if you can, have him removed. You should get your money back if you leave, or he should forfeit this game. Anyone who does not see this should not play in money leagues. Like everyone else has said, he doesn't get the luxury of picking who to play AFTER one of his players has had a good game. Regardless of the end result, he has tampered with his team with information after the fact.

 

[wolverine0611]

Personally I think that he will regret his decison to not play MMIII. It is dishonest regardless of his reason, but his decision will probably end up benefiting you. The other thing you could do to prevent cheating next year is volunteer to be commish next year. If he refuses to give up commissionership, then find another league.

 

[MaddHatter]

Find a new league for next year.

 

[pinda]

my cousin sitting beside me during the SF/CIN game realized who was playing and realized that he forgot to start Chad and Vernon Davis, what can I do as commish.........NOTHING................this guy not only should forfeit, but should be kicked out of the league

 

[protoslacker]

Also- very rare to get caught the first time you cheat: I'll give good odds he's been cheating prior to this.

 

[Tornacl]

Also- very rare to get caught the first time you cheat: I'll give good odds he's been cheating prior to this.

Is there any way to see lineup changes in prior weeks? He's probably done this several times before, but no one ever noticed. If it were a league I'm in, I'd be finding the times of all lineup changes, even if it took contacting whatever league management software you use.

 

[smcindoe]

Also- very rare to get caught the first time you cheat: I'll give good odds he's been cheating prior to this.

Andy Pettite says you're wrong!(In other news, you're right.)

 

[RudiStein]

He should resign as commish. I'm sure the Patriots will hire him.

 

[Jayrod]

Wow!?!

Did you ask the guy if he likes to steal money from people, too? Because that is exactly what he is trying to do as this is a money league. He should HAVE to forfeit. As a commish in a no money league, I can't fathom cheating to help my team. Ridiculous.

If every league member doesn't know about this already, make sure they do and be sure to suggest they may have been cheated as well. The best way to get him to forfeit is to get more guys behind you, which I'm sure wouldn't be tough unless they are all his buddies or family or something....even then, he'd be hard pressed to get anyone on his side.

 

[Smizzy]

Guys....There is only one logical answer to this problem. Get his address and go to his house and kill him with a spork.

 

[Rogi]

I would refuse to play FF with this guy again, especially if there's $$ involved. Trust has been broken.

 

[Pigskins]

Guys....There is only one logical answer to this problem. Get his address and go to his house and kill him with a spork.

Post his address and his email here. I will find a way to use it.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Forfeit IMO.

His excuse doesn't add up and actions are inexcusable.

The fact he still won't outright admit cheating is terrible. I think he's probably just in a stage of denial, thinking no one would catch him. It's too bad your co-commish isn't more helpful (maybe he's a close friend of the commish perhaps?). If I were a co-commish and saw this business going on, I'd revoke the commish powers of the commish.

I think the co-commish saying take the lower pts player is admirable, but it wouldn't erase the fact he cheated. I'd look at the league history and check other times he may haved cheated.

If you can win the matchup regardless, I wouldn't make a big stink about it anymore.......get your $$ at the end of the year & quit. No way this guy gets another $ more from me.

Seeing the LM moves is one of the things I really like about ESPN.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I kind of hate to admit that I care, but I'd like to know what comes of this. I hope the league punishes the cheating with a forfeit. Let us know.

 

[mggoilers]

This happened last year in our league. Commish came up 2 points short after round 1 last year...he had the Chicago D/ST going...we get 10 points for D/ST TD's.

Well he had the Chicago D, and this was last year when Devin Hester ran back a kick and punt for TD in week 14. so, this got him 20 points but he still lost by 2 points..we go to bed and he's lost.

We wake up and he wins by 8 points...this is what he did. He added a Distance Bonus of 5 points for each punt and kick return TD over 40 yards. For kick returns that's a given, and for punts it's a given 90%(or more) each time as well. This bonus gave him 10 extra points.

Little did he know, I printed out the rules pre-season and about every two weeks during the season because I didn't trust the guy. He had poor communcation skills, and I wanted to Cover my A.

I called him, and told him what I had and past week's history showing the original scoring(about 5-6 examples) and asked him to admit his mistake and correct the result. He denied any wrongdoing, I gave him 24 hours to man up or I was telling the entire league. Complete Denial.

I gathered a group of owners including the guy he lost too, and laid out everything...They confronted the commish, and he denied everything and shut down the league.

Sad thing, Cheating commish sat right across from the guy he cheated at work and they were friends. I set everything up to continue the playoffs, and owner who was initially cheated ended up winning.

No payout last year, but bought the winner a T-shirt, and waived his dues this year...Haven't heard from the old commish since, but what does that say about your character?

 

[FTRWRTR]

I don't have anything to say about your commish that hasn't already been said but I want to add that your co-commish is just as crappy. Like everyone elso said you need to quit this league next year.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Sad thing, Cheating commish sat right across from the guy he cheated at work and they were friends. I set everything up to continue the playoffs, and owner who was initially cheated ended up winning.

Damn, that's pretty ballsy. I guess he must of really wanted to harrass him about losing at work.Do they still sit across from each other?