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I'd argue that two are, but this isn't a Scoresman countdown.
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Consensus Top 350 Albums of All-Time: 1. The Dark Side of the Moon – Pink Floyd (149 Viewers)
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
We skipped it I was too tired
Third eye blind played our city fest for free that night skipped the too
Vanilla ice on labor Day for $8
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Maybe deep purpleI'd argue that two are, but this isn't a Scoresman countdown.
Aerosmith certainly not. They’re really hit or miss for me. I like older stuff and some of the 90s stuff. They hung on too long. Saw them live once they were ***. Someone barfed I’m a limo
GNR nah - the hardest of rock though
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Please add Hope You’re Feeling Better to the list.
Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Another amazing run of albums and own all of them … but didn’t rank many. This is why I found this to be one of the most difficult exercises to complete. Any of those I excluded could easily have made my top 50 given a few tweaks in my thought process or just a different head space than what I’ve been in the last few months.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Added.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think you overpaid.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Mt. Man
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Some quicker hits as I catch up a little:
50. Dookie – Green Day (382 points)
I considered putting in Nimrod or (slightly more likely) Warning for Green Day, but decided that Dookie packs more punch. A few huge hits, and a lot of fast-paced songs that are here for a good time, not a long time, in the punk style.
47. 2112 – Rush (398 points)
I’ll have to echo that the title song is the big reason that this album is ranked. Which only makes sense, considering it’s around half of the album’s length. That's not to throw too much shade on "A Passage to Bangkok" or "The Twilight Zone" though.
44. Tapestry – Carole King (416 points)
This album starts with an incredible 1-2-3 punch in “I Feel the Earth Move”, “So Far Away”, and “It’s Too Late”. Side 2 shines equally for King’s talent as a songwriter, including a few versions of songs originally done by other performers. I really like her version of “You’ve Got A Friend”, even if James Taylor’s version surpassed it.
36. Van Halen – Van Halen (489 points)
I put 1984 higher, but there this album is very much packed with great songs. Half the album became big hits (my favorite is “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘bout Love”, if barely above “Runnin’ with the Devil”) after all. I also really like “Ice Cream Man”, “On Fire”, and “Atomic Punk”.
I think that brings me up to The Bends, which is definitely getting its own entry.
50. Dookie – Green Day (382 points)
I considered putting in Nimrod or (slightly more likely) Warning for Green Day, but decided that Dookie packs more punch. A few huge hits, and a lot of fast-paced songs that are here for a good time, not a long time, in the punk style.
47. 2112 – Rush (398 points)
I’ll have to echo that the title song is the big reason that this album is ranked. Which only makes sense, considering it’s around half of the album’s length. That's not to throw too much shade on "A Passage to Bangkok" or "The Twilight Zone" though.
44. Tapestry – Carole King (416 points)
This album starts with an incredible 1-2-3 punch in “I Feel the Earth Move”, “So Far Away”, and “It’s Too Late”. Side 2 shines equally for King’s talent as a songwriter, including a few versions of songs originally done by other performers. I really like her version of “You’ve Got A Friend”, even if James Taylor’s version surpassed it.
36. Van Halen – Van Halen (489 points)
I put 1984 higher, but there this album is very much packed with great songs. Half the album became big hits (my favorite is “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘bout Love”, if barely above “Runnin’ with the Devil”) after all. I also really like “Ice Cream Man”, “On Fire”, and “Atomic Punk”.
I think that brings me up to The Bends, which is definitely getting its own entry.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I had it on my list
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I haven’t committed yet. Rival sons same place 2 days before. It’s the bougie hipster suburb art and food truck festival thingI think you overpaid.
Or in @Ilov80s terms Arts Beats and Eats
Scoresman
Footballguy
I'd argue that two are, but this isn't a Scoresman countdown.
Watch it buddy. Or I'll do a metal countdown and start a debate on how high Nickleback should be ranked.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I think of nu metal as closer to groove metal and helmet verged on that with parts of Betty, but for the most part isn’t quite there. I guess they have a little in common with post metal because a fair number of songs don’t have a typical structure and they play with time signatures a bit, but I think they may still be too conventional for post metal. If I’m going to dabble in semantic masturbation.
krista4
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As the old adage goes: "Rush may not be your favorite band, but they are probably your favorite band's favorite band."I sure hope soIs that it for Rush? Asking for a friend.
I'm way behind as usual, but I suspect someone's pointed out this was a Velvet Underground thing, right?
krista4
Footballguy
Paul McCartney begs to differ.
Also probably pointed out already. I'm just too lazy to read three pages and then go back to react to stuff in the prior three pages, so I'm sorry-ish.
krista4
Footballguy
I'm not sure I ever "liked" a post of yours in that countdown, despite loving the thread, because I couldn't read them.
krista4
Footballguy
If you guys choose "Sweet Child O' Mine," I'm going to be forced to post that McSweeney's bit that I've posted several times here already, but it always seems to find another person or two who hadn't read it before.
Oh, OK, I'll just do it anyway.
SO ****ING HILARIOUS
Oh, OK, I'll just do it anyway.
SO ****ING HILARIOUS
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Everybody uses dark mode, right?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Alright, time for FFA After Dark where we ramble about metal music. @Dan Lambskin started it!
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I don't like it at all.
zamboni
Footballguy
Good call - I believe it started as a VU reference, but have seen it attributed to Rush as well.As the old adage goes: "Rush may not be your favorite band, but they are probably your favorite band's favorite band."I sure hope soIs that it for Rush? Asking for a friend.
I'm way behind as usual, but I suspect someone's pointed out this was a Velvet Underground thing, right?
rockaction
Footballguy
Heh. Perfect 10/10
The first and last lines are the best, IMO.
“Why equivocate?” lol
“Where do we go now?” LOL
I’d nominate this song contra titus, MAC_32, and others so that would seem an uphill climb. My second choice would be “Rocket Queen” but Idiot Boxer already took me to heart with the Chili Peppers that I didn’t even vote for, so that was generous enough that I’m going to defer to his and other wisdoms even though he generously (again) solicited opinions.
Thanks, IB. Pick a rager or a sentimental one; they’re all pretty good.
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Dan Lambskin
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I was gonna tell people to listen to Puscifer new greatest hits In Case You Were Sleeping
They’re peaking and about to blow up IMO. Or maybe they’re too niche?
Give that album a listen it’s a wide span of their discography
That band probably the best use of human voice as an instrument. Maynard already the best vocalist in rock history but listen to the close for the hums snd chats and coos and whatever (carina round is so good)
Or maybe you like drums or synth?
Anyway give it shot. You even get a song with Milla Jovovich singing
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Or I can start talking about how amazing Devin Townsend is
rockaction
Footballguy
Nope. No semantics on your end. You’re right. I had looked into it the other night. Nu metal is very concerned with groove and rhythm. Never mind the scale—the big thing I was encouraged to look into was how the guitarists use rhythmic techniques to keep the groove going. AI said:
- Nu metal favors percussive riffs and groove-based playing.
- Guitar riffs are often one- or two-note patterns, played rhythmically, like a drumbeat.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'll piggyback on this.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
My case for Deep Purple and GNR (at least Appetite)
IMO this is very much like the debate about movies like Se7en and Silence of the Lambs being horror or thrillers. A big elephant in the room when talking about 70s acts being metal or not is that Sabbath unleashed hell at the start of the decade. THAT 100% is metal, but I would say just like other stuff there is a scale. Personally, I bristle when people say Led Zeppelin is metal. To me that is the example of a hard rock band. To my ears there is a world of difference between their 1970 albums.
As far as Deep Purple, to me they also flipped a gear dipped into the metal category in the early 70s as well. There are songs and parts of songs on In Rock that wouldn't sound out of place on a Sabbath or Priest album, IMO. For example - Bloodsucker. My other thought is that if you replace Lord's organ with a guitar, there would be 0 argument. Does that mean we are saying metal can't have keyboards in it? No, they don't operate in that zone most of the time as Sabbath or Priest later, but to be there is enough there and they sound different enough from other hard rock bands that I give them the metal seal of approval.
When I was posting about GNR I was specifically listening to and thinking about Appetite. 10 of the 12 songs sound like it's the soundtrack to the night my buddy and I got way too drunk on swamp waters, puked green in the gutter on the corner by the dorms, proceeded to pass out on said corner for a couple hours, and woke up smelling like piss. It's angry, raw, dangerous, and sleazy. I think because of those songs I tip the album into the metal category, but I am less convinced here. If it's not metal, it is the Seven of albums in that maybe it's as hard as you can get without being metal? That's why Paradise City draws my hatred so much - because buried in this awesome album I just described is this dumb song with that chorus "where the grass is green and the girls are pretty". It's dull, repetitive, overly long, and reeks of record company interference (I have 0 idea if that is true, just roll with me). Sweet Child doesn't get the same ire because I think is still has a little more grit. I still love it, but it honestly does stick on that album in a similar way. Does anybody remember that original artwork with the album?
I am not overly familiar with Aerosmith, but I've never heard anything by them that gets to the same zone as Deep Purple or had the dangerous edge as early GNR. I think they are another prototypical hard rock band like Zeppelin. I would be open to arguments otherwise though.
Just one dope's opinion though.
IMO this is very much like the debate about movies like Se7en and Silence of the Lambs being horror or thrillers. A big elephant in the room when talking about 70s acts being metal or not is that Sabbath unleashed hell at the start of the decade. THAT 100% is metal, but I would say just like other stuff there is a scale. Personally, I bristle when people say Led Zeppelin is metal. To me that is the example of a hard rock band. To my ears there is a world of difference between their 1970 albums.
As far as Deep Purple, to me they also flipped a gear dipped into the metal category in the early 70s as well. There are songs and parts of songs on In Rock that wouldn't sound out of place on a Sabbath or Priest album, IMO. For example - Bloodsucker. My other thought is that if you replace Lord's organ with a guitar, there would be 0 argument. Does that mean we are saying metal can't have keyboards in it? No, they don't operate in that zone most of the time as Sabbath or Priest later, but to be there is enough there and they sound different enough from other hard rock bands that I give them the metal seal of approval.
When I was posting about GNR I was specifically listening to and thinking about Appetite. 10 of the 12 songs sound like it's the soundtrack to the night my buddy and I got way too drunk on swamp waters, puked green in the gutter on the corner by the dorms, proceeded to pass out on said corner for a couple hours, and woke up smelling like piss. It's angry, raw, dangerous, and sleazy. I think because of those songs I tip the album into the metal category, but I am less convinced here. If it's not metal, it is the Seven of albums in that maybe it's as hard as you can get without being metal? That's why Paradise City draws my hatred so much - because buried in this awesome album I just described is this dumb song with that chorus "where the grass is green and the girls are pretty". It's dull, repetitive, overly long, and reeks of record company interference (I have 0 idea if that is true, just roll with me). Sweet Child doesn't get the same ire because I think is still has a little more grit. I still love it, but it honestly does stick on that album in a similar way. Does anybody remember that original artwork with the album?
I am not overly familiar with Aerosmith, but I've never heard anything by them that gets to the same zone as Deep Purple or had the dangerous edge as early GNR. I think they are another prototypical hard rock band like Zeppelin. I would be open to arguments otherwise though.
Just one dope's opinion though.
Dwayne_Castro
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Sir Paul has earned all the money he’s made, as have Geddy Lee, Sting, and others. They are the best of the best for a reason.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Everyone should listen to Ziltoid the Omniscient right?
Concept album “ about an extraterrestrial being named Ziltoid from the planet Ziltoidia 9. Ziltoid travels to Earth in search of "your universe's ultimate cup of coffee””
It’s heavy (like imagine an alien invasion ship battle set to a drum and bass assault ) but mostly clean vocals
He also played pretty much every instrument (programmable drum kit), did voices, production, everything
Just a great accomplishment
Or check out one of his 25+ other albums. Very diverse.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Metal is like pornography. I know it when I see it (hear it?)
Zep is not metal
Also I think we’re being set up for a bunch of ****ty corporate poser metal like Sleep Token
Dan Lambskin
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Ice Nine Kills is though
rockaction
Footballguy
My favorite Green Day. A little more diversified but still essentially them. They had that one big crossover song (that I didn’t and don’t like and haven’t softened on it) but “Jinx/Haushinka” made me search out and be more receptive to those Who codgers.
They’d done it on Insomniac (that bridge to a Who-sounding song with “86/Panic”), but here it really works like dynamite, IMO. Who knew I just needed to look to England’s mods from ‘64-‘67 to get that?
Back to Green Day, I might be close to being with @MAC_32 here and listing Insomniac as my favorite, but I think Nimrod takes it. Of course it’s all impossible without Dookie, and I have no idea what I’m ramblin’ about, so I will stop.
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zamboni
Footballguy
I had In Rock at #31 - that’s how much I regard that album.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Do you agree with my assessment? I am mostly having fun - I don't get nearly worked up about music and genres as I do movies. I just like trying to figure out a mild criteria for banter like this.
zamboni
Footballguy
Not sure what the assessment is, but if it’s good music regardless of genre, that works for me.
rockaction
Footballguy
What “metal” is depends on when you were coming of age, I think. I’ve got Guns as unquestionably metal. Brit metal was dead in the public consciousness in ‘87. You had Maiden, but the Rush fans liked Maiden in my school. Then you had thrash. Then you had glam or hair metal (calling it hair metal is seeing it from a temporal distance—nobody called it that until probably the later nineties and early aughts).
So thrash was like extreme skateboarding is to those ‘70s longboard riders, and GN' R was like using shorter boards and doing aerials on the half pipe, to use an analogy. Metal is kind of relative in a way.
Once you fuse it with hip hop and change the scale and make it so that you don’t solo and you almost always play rhythm and chugging riffs then GNR sounds like bluesy hard rock. Especially when you add prog and heavy for the sake of heavy added back into the mix which is a really late development (early aughts). I can see GN' R as being hard rock to people that came of age or had their metal listening years in the early aughts.
eta late* I just re-read this and “unquestionably” sounds absolute. It’s unquestionable to me from my experience. The point I was trying to make is that defining metal and categorizing it is very subjective and depends on temporal concerns. It is pretty much entirely a musical judgment rather than a sociopolitical and economic/ethical/size of audience-based judgment, which often determines who is considered punk. All these minefields! MAC would ask who needs genres? This might be why.
So thrash was like extreme skateboarding is to those ‘70s longboard riders, and GN' R was like using shorter boards and doing aerials on the half pipe, to use an analogy. Metal is kind of relative in a way.
Once you fuse it with hip hop and change the scale and make it so that you don’t solo and you almost always play rhythm and chugging riffs then GNR sounds like bluesy hard rock. Especially when you add prog and heavy for the sake of heavy added back into the mix which is a really late development (early aughts). I can see GN' R as being hard rock to people that came of age or had their metal listening years in the early aughts.
eta late* I just re-read this and “unquestionably” sounds absolute. It’s unquestionable to me from my experience. The point I was trying to make is that defining metal and categorizing it is very subjective and depends on temporal concerns. It is pretty much entirely a musical judgment rather than a sociopolitical and economic/ethical/size of audience-based judgment, which often determines who is considered punk. All these minefields! MAC would ask who needs genres? This might be why.
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Val Rannous
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My vote is for Welcome to the Jungle - It was the very first thing I saw/heard of theirs (thank you MTV), and I just stared at the screen saying "Wow". I knew I liked it from the very first notes out of Slash's guitar.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep, some of my friends went to see 3rd Eye Blind, they were trying to get me to go too. Homecoming isn't really my thing though, I don't want to run into people I knew 20-30 years ago.I haven’t committed yet. Rival sons same place 2 days before. It’s the bougie hipster suburb art and food truck festival thingI think you overpaid.
Or in @Ilov80s terms Arts Beats and Eats
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Yeah I didn’t grow up here so nothing special for me. We took the kids when they were little but we haven’t gone in a few yearsYep, some of my friends went to see 3rd Eye Blind, they were trying to get me to go too. Homecoming isn't really my thing though, I don't want to run into people I knew 20-30 years ago.I haven’t committed yet. Rival sons same place 2 days before. It’s the bougie hipster suburb art and food truck festival thingI think you overpaid.
Or in @Ilov80s terms Arts Beats and Eats
Mister CIA
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Very fair point, rock. If you grew up listening to Slipknot and the like, GNR probably sounds more tame and hard rock. I was bombarded with crap like Winger and Bulletboys, so GNR sounded more metal than that stuff.
As we go further down the timeline there are more and more examples of metal bands as well. Like I said in '70 it felt a bit like it was Sabbath, a handful of others that had metal DNA, and the weird underground bands that have about 9k listens on Spotify. A decade later in '80 we could list all sorts of bands. We had Sabbath and solo Ozzy, Motorhead, Maiden, Priest, etc, etc. The genre became more and more definable as we went along. It's just fun to explore some that early 70s stuff besides Sabbath and think about the differences and who the parents of metal were.
As we go further down the timeline there are more and more examples of metal bands as well. Like I said in '70 it felt a bit like it was Sabbath, a handful of others that had metal DNA, and the weird underground bands that have about 9k listens on Spotify. A decade later in '80 we could list all sorts of bands. We had Sabbath and solo Ozzy, Motorhead, Maiden, Priest, etc, etc. The genre became more and more definable as we went along. It's just fun to explore some that early 70s stuff besides Sabbath and think about the differences and who the parents of metal were.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
BTW, I have tried both bands mulitple times and neither Townsend or Puscifer are my thing. A couple songs here and there, but not sustained listening. I also listen to GH albums less than I do covers.
I've been irritating my kid by playing too much Between the Buried and Me lately, so I am definitely not criticizing anybody's metal leans.
I've been irritating my kid by playing too much Between the Buried and Me lately, so I am definitely not criticizing anybody's metal leans.
Val Rannous
Footballguy
Gee, thanks. I supposed I deserved that, after my posting of Finnish bluegrass Iron Maiden covers.I'd go with a sweet cover of Sweet Child 'O Mine for the playlist.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
So, uh, how bout that Jethro Tull?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Lol, i see what you did here.
That was going to be my follow up to my comment about Opeth never mentioning Rush as a favorite. Mikeal loves Tull. I would rather listen to Rush by far.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I had the SInging Nun for my singles collection.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
If it's dark mode that did you in then I don't want to be right.
Wait. What?
I like dark mode. I've changed all my screens to night reader. I can't look at a white screen anymore and I can't imagine how I did so until around 2022 or so. Argh. No wonder my eyes stink.