Dr. Octopus
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That will be more towards the end.
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Consensus Top 350 Albums of All-Time: 58. Master of Puppets – Metallica (193 Viewers)
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
For some reason I thought you were matching the titles from a list so I wasn’t very careful, ie. LZ2. Sorry about that.
rockaction
Footballguy
You were right in thinking that. In my personal top 100 because of its weird accessibility for a time signature concept.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I think some of their newer stuff is pretty good I really haven’t given it much attention though. Also though if it was some other random band I’d say it was really good but knowing what their peak was like it’s like eh… just ok
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Man I kinda forgot 
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Great point. It's one of the most accessible instrumental jazz albums period. So much so I didn't even really mention the time signature concept because that makes it sound like it is going to be avant-garde or a challenging listen. It's anything but that. Just pure cool jazz.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
"Smash" is definitely an album that takes me back. In 1994 I was still in college, if on the 10 year plan for a 4-year degree. My music tastes were expanding thanks equally to the college scene and the people I worked with at the time. I'd experienced absolutely no punk before college, but during the 90s I definitely was exposed to a lot, both old school and (at the time) newer stuff. And yeah, I'm putting at least "Smash" into the punk category. After all, this is an album full of fast-paced, hard-hitting, energetic songs that rarely last 3 1/2 minutes.
I'd definitely agree that there aren't any skips here. "Come out and Play" and "Self-Esteem" are the big hits here, and I haven't got close to tired of them. Partially because, at heart, I'm just a sucker with low self-esteem myself. Even if I ended up with a better girl than the person in that soon. Anyway, my point is that past that, I'm a huge fan of "Bad Habit", "Gotta Get Away", and the title track. But there are highlights in every song here for me. Little flashbacks at hearing songs like "Nitro (Youth Energy)", "Something to Believe In", and "Not the One".
As far as the song for the playlist, I'll leave that to Dan Lambskin, since he put it much much higher than I did. The title track's strong and fierce, but despite the song finishing before 3 minutes, the track's over 10. Personally, it's hard to choose, but I'd nominate "Gotta Get Away" here. Or, for a deeper cut, "It'll Be a Long Time".
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
Stellar selection. A friend drug me to see the Tragically Hip when I lived in Pennsylvania. He told me they were super popular in their native Canada, and put on a good show. We saw them at the 930 club down in DC, in front of maybe 500 people general admission. You could grab a cup of beer and make your way right up to the front by the stage. I saw them in that sort of setting many times, in Pittsburgh, Philly, DC, Towson, all over the region. At least 2/3 of the crowd would be Canadians who drove down because there was no way to see the Hip that up close in Canada. For comparison, I saw two concerts of theirs in Canada, and each was in a sold out NHL arena.
It’s interesting how popular they are in Canada, given that their popularity never really crossed the border, except for appearances at Woodstock and Saturday Night Live. I’m serious, they are huge up north. While you may have a hard time finding anyone who knows them down here in the states, you would equally be hard-pressed to find a Canadian that DOESN’T know them.
One final anecdote, when the Hip’s frontman, lead singer, and songwriter, Gord Downie, announced he had glioblastoma—aggressive brain cancer, in 2015, the band decided to do a final, 13 city farewell tour across Canada the following summer. I actually flew to Ottawa to see their second-to-last performance, probably the only Tennessean in the arena. Their final show, two nights later in Kingston, Ontario, was such a big deal that the CBC preempted the Rio Olympics to broadcast the concert live and drew an audience of 10 million people. That’s in a country with 30 million people. Trudeau was there wearing a tragically hip T-shirt, people gathered in every city across the country to watch the show on big screens. They called it “A National Celebration.”
Ilov80s
Footballguy
@Dan Lambskin did you make a final decision on a song? I saw you mentioned Smash which is a good choice but do want to warn you on Spotify it's over 10 mins long most of which is just silence before the "secret song" at the end. Remember when CDs snuck those on? So it might be a little funky on a playlist.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I new them a little bit because 89X in Windsor used to play them
Added all their stuff to my library a few months ago they’re really good kinda give me an REM vibe
And yeah they are loved there
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Let’s go with Gotta Get Away
Rand al Thor
Footballguy
Sorry man, Same here with And Justice for All. I think I had it around 31 or so. I don't mean to pile on, but I don't know if we need to chime in to get credit. My bad, and as someone said, you're doing the Lord's work and we're all very appreciative.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Given the content that's flowed since, I'll hold back on most of my comments, but I will say that Tenacious D was right.
One is the greatest song in the world.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Can't Change Me is the one that does it for me. Not that the others aren't great, they are, it's just I think the Songbook version is THAT much better than the original.I do remember that now that you mention it. I really should have just looked at that list to help make this one. This is a tough one because it really depends on the mood I’m in, as there are several different tones to the songs across this album. But I guess the one that i always want to list to is Fell on black days. I like this version so much more than the Soundgarden one.After being sniped for this album in a draft a few years ago by Larry, I had confidence he'd come through big in its ranking. I have a strong preference for the playlist, and will share later, but obviously he gets priority. Curious what direction he goes. So...sooo many worthy candidates.317 (tie). Songbook – Chris Cornell (87 points)
@Long Ball Larry #4
@MAC_32 #51
Songbook is an acoustic live album by American musician and Soundgarden vocalist Chris Cornell, released on November 21, 2011. The live album features songs recorded during Cornell's Songbook Tour, an acoustic solo tour which took place from March to May 2011 in the US and Canada, and is his first live album as a solo artist.
The songs on the tour varied in every show, and the album was recorded during various shows on the tour, and includes songs from Cornell's whole career: solo material, Soundgarden songs, Audioslave songs, Temple of the Dog songs, as well as covers of Led Zeppelin's "Thank You" and John Lennon's "Imagine".
My next choices would probably be Thank You or Can’t Change Me.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Anything but soft, relaxing favorites.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Added
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Thank dog that I don't have any albums with punctuation marks at the beginning. I bet Zoso comes back to haunt us, though.
Come to think of it, TAFKAP could be funny.
Come to think of it, TAFKAP could be funny.
jwb
Footballguy
The 80's were great musically. Such variety. And everything was fun - even the death metal sounded bright.
MAC_32
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
number 3.
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krista4
Footballguy
I mean, really? As the originator of the MAD countdowns, I can tell you that there were always a billion terrible submissions. It's just par for the course. I was mostly able to avoid the issues we're seeing, because I did everything manually, but I'm happy that Dr. O didn't do it that way because it is way, way too time-consuming. In any case, there was never any thought that I'd call someone out, other than our lovingly coining the term "don't Binky it" due to his insistence on sending lists the opposite way most of us would.
But really, errors just go with the territory, to say the least. I do get the frustration, but I spent scores of hours (seriously) on each one making sure it all tied and therefore get how awful these lists are.
It's not an exact science here, so all good.Isn't the idea to discuss albums we love, regardless of whether the ranking is technically "right"?
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
No bad intent or trying to call anyone out. Sorry if that’s how it came off. We’ve been joking for a while about how hard it must be to consolidate this whole mess and laughing at our own mistakes. I don’t care who did them, just thought it would be funny to hear the various iterations Dr Oc and Kupcho have been talking about.
I mean, really? As the originator of the MAD countdowns, I can tell you that there were always a billion terrible submissions. It's just par for the course. I was mostly able to avoid the issues we're seeing, because I did everything manually, but I'm happy that Dr. O didn't do it that way because it is way, way too time-consuming. In any case, there was never any thought that I'd call someone out, other than our lovingly coining the term "don't Binky it" due to his insistence on sending lists the opposite way most of us would.
But really, errors just go with the territory, to say the least. I do get the frustration, but I spent scores of hours (seriously) on each one making sure it all tied and therefore get how awful these lists are.
Isn't the idea to discuss albums we love, regardless of whether the ranking is technically "right"?
For instance, this could have been a fun one:
Led Zeppelin IV
Led Zeppelin 4
4
LZ4
Four
The one with the symbols
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Don't forget "Runes".No bad intent or trying to call anyone out. Sorry if that’s how it came off. We’ve been joking for a while about how hard it must be to consolidate this whole mess and laughing at our own mistakes. I don’t care who did them, just thought it would be funny to hear the various iterations Dr Oc and Kupcho have been talking about.
I mean, really? As the originator of the MAD countdowns, I can tell you that there were always a billion terrible submissions. It's just par for the course. I was mostly able to avoid the issues we're seeing, because I did everything manually, but I'm happy that Dr. O didn't do it that way because it is way, way too time-consuming. In any case, there was never any thought that I'd call someone out, other than our lovingly coining the term "don't Binky it" due to his insistence on sending lists the opposite way most of us would.
But really, errors just go with the territory, to say the least. I do get the frustration, but I spent scores of hours (seriously) on each one making sure it all tied and therefore get how awful these lists are.
Isn't the idea to discuss albums we love, regardless of whether the ranking is technically "right"?
For instance, this could have been a fun one:
Led Zeppelin IV
Led Zeppelin 4
4
LZ4
Four
The one with the symbols
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
He is the George Forman of album people, isn't he?Dayum I sure hope there aren't too many Peter Gabriel albums on folks' lists.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He didn’t like to title his albums because he saw them as chapters of the same book.He is the George Forman of album people, isn't he?Dayum I sure hope there aren't too many Peter Gabriel albums on folks' lists.
Security was a title imposed by the record company and was only identified that way on the shrink wrap. Once removed, the album just said Peter Gabriel (again, for the fourth time).
After he submitted his fifth album, he was asked if it had a title. He said no. They said it had to have one. He said “So?” And that’s what they went with.
Every studio album after that also has a two-letter title, as minimal as possible.
It would be hilarious if he made a final album with a Fiona Apple-style 100-word title.
Time Out is a great call that I totally didn't think of. I really believed I had a pretty thorough system for making sure I didn't overlook anything then totally whiffed there. Still not sure it would have made the final cut, but it would have had a chance. "Blue Rondo à la Turk" is commonly in my rotation playlist that mixes jazz, rock, fusion, and a bunch of other genres (some may recall that I wrote about the ELP version from the Isle of Wight in my artist countdown).
I could wait until it reappears on the list, but I'll just comment on Puppets now to get the controversial comment out of the way. For me, "One" is among the most overrated Metallica songs. Compared to many tracks from other Metallica albums of that era (at least one of which is on my list), I find the guitar work exceptionally boring. I agree, however, that "Blackened" is incredible and I think the title track is epic as well. The album finished around 150 on my extended list.
I could wait until it reappears on the list, but I'll just comment on Puppets now to get the controversial comment out of the way. For me, "One" is among the most overrated Metallica songs. Compared to many tracks from other Metallica albums of that era (at least one of which is on my list), I find the guitar work exceptionally boring. I agree, however, that "Blackened" is incredible and I think the title track is epic as well. The album finished around 150 on my extended list.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Lars being Lars. I will say looking back now I completely agree with you. But. Back then, I was the greatest air drummer in the Pacific Northwest and those drums popped for me. Ha ha
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Never knew this!
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
With all the errors I sure hope people figured out how go make this symbol Æ
zamboni
Footballguy
We haven't even gotten into the umlauts yet. @Mrs. Rannous
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If they didn’t I would cut and paste from your list.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I'm sure I made a mistake on how I named an artist to one of my submissions. Couldn't really decide the "right" way.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
303 (tie). Fear of Music – Talking Heads (91 points)
@KarmaPolice #16
@Dr. Octopus #49
@New Binky the Doormat #57
Fear of Music is the third studio album by the American new wave band Talking Heads, released on August 3, 1979, by Sire Records. It was recorded at locations in New York City during April and May 1979 and was produced by Brian Eno and Talking Heads. The album reached number 21 on the Billboard 200 and number 33 on the UK Albums Chart. It spawned the singles "Life During Wartime", "I Zimbra", and "Cities".
@KarmaPolice #16
@Dr. Octopus #49
@New Binky the Doormat #57
Fear of Music is the third studio album by the American new wave band Talking Heads, released on August 3, 1979, by Sire Records. It was recorded at locations in New York City during April and May 1979 and was produced by Brian Eno and Talking Heads. The album reached number 21 on the Billboard 200 and number 33 on the UK Albums Chart. It spawned the singles "Life During Wartime", "I Zimbra", and "Cities".
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
....and Justice for All had more people listing it without the ellipse than those that did, so that one will be moving waaayyyy up the list.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Album names are way more important to the compilation than the band name.
zamboni
Footballguy
The whole thread is out of order
Thanks for all you are doing, Doc and kupcho. I know how much of a PITA this is.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
298 (tie). Muswell Hillbillies – The Kinks (92 points)
@Mister CIA #18
@Don Quixote #32
Muswell Hillbillies is the tenth studio album by the English rock group the Kinks. Released on 24 November 1971, it was the band's first album released through RCA Records. The album is named after the Muswell Hill area of North London, where band leader Ray Davies and guitarist Dave Davies grew up and the band formed in the early 1960s.
The album introduces a number of working class figures and the stresses with which they must contend. It did not sell well but received critical acclaim and lasting fan appreciation.
@Mister CIA #18
@Don Quixote #32
Muswell Hillbillies is the tenth studio album by the English rock group the Kinks. Released on 24 November 1971, it was the band's first album released through RCA Records. The album is named after the Muswell Hill area of North London, where band leader Ray Davies and guitarist Dave Davies grew up and the band formed in the early 1960s.
The album introduces a number of working class figures and the stresses with which they must contend. It did not sell well but received critical acclaim and lasting fan appreciation.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I struggled with that on a couple of mine too but doubt I got a match on either
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I thought this one would finish higher but the Talking Heads albums' votes got very split up.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
298 (tie). Live at the Apollo – James Brown and the Fabulous Flames (92 points)
@Ilov80s #7
@Psychopav #43
Live at the Apollo is the first live album by James Brown and the Famous Flames, recorded at the Apollo Theater in Harlem in October 1962 and released in May 1963 by King Records. Capturing Brown's popular stage show for the first time on record, the album was a major commercial and critical success and cemented his status as a leading R&B star.
@Ilov80s #7
@Psychopav #43
Live at the Apollo is the first live album by James Brown and the Famous Flames, recorded at the Apollo Theater in Harlem in October 1962 and released in May 1963 by King Records. Capturing Brown's popular stage show for the first time on record, the album was a major commercial and critical success and cemented his status as a leading R&B star.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
This is a band I just don’t click with, to be fair i probably haven’t heard much outside of their hits. I don’t dislike them but not really something I’d ever willingly put on either.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, once I landed on only 1 album per group it became difficult to choose. Even before then, my rankings of first several TH albums is pretty flat. If one is better, it's not by much.
zamboni
Footballguy
Yes, doesn't surprise me. Very consistent band in which it's hard to separate one particular album over the others. Not a bad one in the bunch.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
All of the first five TH albums could have been considered for my top 70. Only one made it and obviously it wasn't this one. But this is an incredible record and the story of David Byrne as "world music" advocate begins here.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
298 (tie). Raising Hell – Run-D.M.C. (92 points)
Jeb #17
@Nick Vermeil #33
Raising Hell is the third studio album by American hip hop group Run-D.M.C., released on May 15, 1986, by Profile Records. The album was produced by Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin. Raising Hell is notable for being the first Platinum and multi-Platinum hip hop record. The album was first certified Platinum on July 15, 1986, before it was certified as 3× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on April 24, 1987. It is widely considered to be one of the greatest and most important albums in the history of hip hop music and culture.
Jeb #17
@Nick Vermeil #33
Raising Hell is the third studio album by American hip hop group Run-D.M.C., released on May 15, 1986, by Profile Records. The album was produced by Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin. Raising Hell is notable for being the first Platinum and multi-Platinum hip hop record. The album was first certified Platinum on July 15, 1986, before it was certified as 3× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on April 24, 1987. It is widely considered to be one of the greatest and most important albums in the history of hip hop music and culture.
simey
Footballguy
I went back and forth between this one and another, and went with the other cause I was more in the mood for it that day. On another day it would be this one. I love the various instruments they use on this album. I'm happy to see it in the countdown.