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Consensus Top 350 Albums of All-Time: 58. Master of Puppets – Metallica (180 Viewers)

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Yeah, I heard about this. I don't know exactly what to say because I surely was not a power user, and from what I remember, unless there was a secret code through which you could order cocaine I think they're doomed.
 
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Yeah, I heard about this. I don't know exactly what to say because I surely was not a power user, and from what I remember, unless there was a secret code through which you could order cocaine I think they're doomed.
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On the plus side, the site doesn't have nearly the number of pop-up ads that it used to.

On the downside, they laid off Stephen Thomas Erlewine.
 
Eephus said:
rockaction said:
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Yeah, I heard about this. I don't know exactly what to say because I surely was not a power user, and from what I remember, unless there was a secret code through which you could order cocaine I think they're doomed.
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On the plus side, the site doesn't have nearly the number of pop-up ads that it used to.

On the downside, they laid off Stephen Thomas Erlewine.
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Okay, they've been writing about Allmusic and Erlewine since June of last year. He was laid off by Xperia. That just sounds ominous. And I'm not going to lie because I just . . . usually don't, I guess. I have no idea who that guy is, but they've got a decent seven-page thread over at Steve Hoffman Forums about his firing in June of 2024, and a bunch of those guys at Hoffman apparently very much use Allmusic, so I have no idea what to think but when one of the Hoffman comments says something about databases and that he probably helped replace himself I don't dig it at all. Do. not. like.

Anyway, thanks for the name, Eephus. He sounds—and the comments make him seem —like a writer that earned his way to be influential (someone said "Xennials" dug him. LOL.) and at the top of the game.
 
I've finished a first pass start to finish, but I may play around with it before the deadline (which is why I haven't submitted it yet).
I hope I'm not the only one with jazz and original Broadway cast recordings on their list.
 
kupcho1 said:
I've finished a first pass start to finish, but I may play around with it before the deadline (which is why I haven't submitted it yet).
I hope I'm not the only one with jazz and original Broadway cast recordings on their list.
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You won't be. I've got some outliers that I'm pretty sure are making my list.
 
Uruk-Hai said:
Pip's Invitation said:
Ghost Rider said:
krista4 said:
Ghost Rider said:
Ilov80s said:
Ghost Rider said:
Fun exercise, and one that will make us think and ponder.

I would add as well that the key is that everyone must submit the same number of albums to make this work. If someone submits a list with only 10 or 15 albums, it is unbalanced from the rest and skews the results. Not a big deal obviously since this is just for fun anyway, but it's still a good idea to keep it orderly, IMO of course.
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Why would someone submitting less albums skew the results? I don’t think it’s a situation where you have X number of points to give and if I turned in just a list with one William Hung album that it would get all X points and instantly be rocketed to the number 1 spot.

I assume every top ranked album gets 70 points, second ranked album gets 69 points or something similar. Anything not submitted just means you’re missing a chance to potentially imprint the list with your tastes.
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I would flip it this way, then. Start at the bottom with 1 point and work your way up, so if you submit a list with just 20 albums, your number 1 album gets 20 points instead of 70. Someone's number 1 shouldn't get the 70 points if they aren't sending a list with 70 albums.
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I don't understand why not.
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Why would you give the max points to someone who is not listing the max number of albums? That would make zero sense. It goes without saying that whatever album is last on your list gets 1 point, so you just work your way up with the points based on how many albums you list.
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It could also go without saying that whatever album is first on your list gets 70 points, so you just work your way down with the points based on how many albums you list.
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Given the format, this is how I'd do it.

I'd actually "lift" the bottom (snicker) quite a bit to dampen the ratio-kill. There's no way I think my number one album is 70 times better than my number seventy. I got into a discussion in one of tim's threads a few years ago about this, but couldn't articulate it well enough. I also don't know what the "right" numbers would be.

Anyway, it's Doc's thread and his house, his rules
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Yep, yep! Despite my earlier posts about scoring lists that do not submit 70 albums, it's his thread, his rules. And I will respect that. :cool:
 
Out of the 3 lists there are 13 albums that appear on 2 lists.

Interestingly enough 4 albums with only 2 votes are ahead both albums with 3 votes,
 
kupcho1 said:
OK, so updating for 70 albums and the fact that live albums are out of bounds, here's some stats on my (current) list:
  • Oldest album on the list - 1963
  • Newest album on the list - 2015 (had forgotten about a release in 2015 that will absolutely be on my final, no kidding, seriously, submitted list)
  • 1960s - 6
  • 1970s - 17
  • 1980s - 17
  • 1990s - 10
  • 2000s - 18
  • 2010s - 2
I mildly surprised I've got more from the 2000s than the 80s or 70s. Until it changes. Repeatedly.
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I am not sure if I will have one from the 60s, but probably not. I do have a 2023 and 2024 on the list already though.

ETA: nevermind, i forgot a key band. There will be one or two from the late 60s.
 
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Got my list of about 100 in no order. It was kind of fun last night as we made dinner, built legos I had my kid randomly pick a number and whoever that was in my unranked spreadsheet was the album we would listen to. It was fun to listen to them like that since I’m much more of a playlist kind of guy these days. She liked every album (though she didn’t land on any pure jazz). The one she seemed to like the most surprised a lot. It’s probably going to be my number 1 and I don’t consider it an easy album to get into. So this venture just started and it’s already been awesome.
 
rockaction said:
I can’t believe you guys have your lists going. I can’t wrap my head around my personal top seventy. Crikey.
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Although I’ve only compiled a bunch of artists at this point, I’ve decided to mostly just go with 70 albums that I think might be popular enough to be liked by others here and that I’d like to do well in the overall rankings. I think it will be much easier to do a list this way.
 
kupcho1 said:
I've finished a first pass start to finish, but I may play around with it before the deadline (which is why I haven't submitted it yet).
I hope I'm not the only one with jazz and original Broadway cast recordings on their list.
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I have jazz, and OH will if he does a list. Broadway recordings hadn't occurred to me, so I'm glad you mentioned them!
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Because I am doing all of this manually - please DO NOT submit your list until it's final, I will not take any changes after a submission.
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Update @kupcho1 is kind enough to help me create the formulas in a google sheet, which will make my life easier, so I can take changes after submissions but would ask for only minor changes.
 
krista4 said:
kupcho1 said:
I've finished a first pass start to finish, but I may play around with it before the deadline (which is why I haven't submitted it yet).
I hope I'm not the only one with jazz and original Broadway cast recordings on their list.
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I have jazz, and OH will if he does a list. Broadway recordings hadn't occurred to me, so I'm glad you mentioned them!
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I have jazz and want to add classical but am unsure how to fit that in too
 
Finished making a group of about 150 albums I would consider, now to cut it in half and determine a final order. I've got some jazz, but decided to avoid classical because that just seems to get too complicated.

Sorry if all the questions about rules are annoying, but one important one did come up as I was making this initial group. Compilations are generally not allowed, but is there any room for exceptions if that is the only way to include certain music? What I'm getting at is whether there is a way to include music from the time before the idea of an album existed. In particular, there is some great folk and blues music that deserves to be represented, but only exists as a collection of an artist's single recordings.
 
turnjose7 said:
Finished making a group of about 150 albums I would consider, now to cut it in half and determine a final order. I've got some jazz, but decided to avoid classical because that just seems to get too complicated.

Sorry if all the questions about rules are annoying, but one important one did come up as I was making this initial group. Compilations are generally not allowed, but is there any room for exceptions if that is the only way to include certain music? What I'm getting at is whether there is a way to include music from the time before the idea of an album existed. In particular, there is some great folk and blues music that deserves to be represented, but only exists as a collection of an artist's single recordings.
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That seems to be an exception that works for me.
 
turnjose7 said:
Finished making a group of about 150 albums I would consider, now to cut it in half and determine a final order. I've got some jazz, but decided to avoid classical because that just seems to get too complicated.
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I am leaning that way as well. Just because it’s really such a different thing. Yes most releases are new recordings but the music itself isn’t new and the people who typically get the most credit (Mozart) for the music don’t actually have records out. And 5 different people could put up Beetjoven’s 3rd but be 3 different orchestras and conductors making none of them really chart on the list.
 
It would have been easy to just reuse my picks from the Desert Island Albums draft we did during the pandemic but I went with draft schtick for that one :bag:

Northern Voice

Thread 'Desert Island Album Draft - 15th Anniversary Edition - 50 Rounds in the books, sign up now for KP's listening program'

Alright, the original desert island album draft, the one that started it all as it was, took place here in April 2005. There are a number of people from that draft who are still around but the music threads have grown and expanded a lot since those days, so I figure 15 years later, it's time to take another crack at it. 

This will be a proper draft - picks in order, not one AM/one PM, etc... Past round one we will probably institute a 1 or 2 hour clock during daytime hours to keep it moving.

I think it's necessary to do it this it way since scarcity will be a real issue in...
 
Eephus said:
It would have been easy to just reuse my picks from the Desert Island Albums draft we did during the pandemic but I went with draft schtick for that one :bag:

Northern Voice

Thread 'Desert Island Album Draft - 15th Anniversary Edition - 50 Rounds in the books, sign up now for KP's listening program'

Alright, the original desert island album draft, the one that started it all as it was, took place here in April 2005. There are a number of people from that draft who are still around but the music threads have grown and expanded a lot since those days, so I figure 15 years later, it's time to take another crack at it. 

This will be a proper draft - picks in order, not one AM/one PM, etc... Past round one we will probably institute a 1 or 2 hour clock during daytime hours to keep it moving.

I think it's necessary to do it this it way since scarcity will be a real issue in...
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That link didn’t work for me for some reason.
 
Eephus said:
It would have been easy to just reuse my picks from the Desert Island Albums draft we did during the pandemic but I went with draft schtick for that one :bag:

Northern Voice

Thread 'Desert Island Album Draft - 15th Anniversary Edition - 50 Rounds in the books, sign up now for KP's listening program'

Alright, the original desert island album draft, the one that started it all as it was, took place here in April 2005. There are a number of people from that draft who are still around but the music threads have grown and expanded a lot since those days, so I figure 15 years later, it's time to take another crack at it. 

This will be a proper draft - picks in order, not one AM/one PM, etc... Past round one we will probably institute a 1 or 2 hour clock during daytime hours to keep it moving.

I think it's necessary to do it this it way since scarcity will be a real issue in...
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Yeah I thought about that great thread. I’ll have some overlap for sure but changes always adapt and I will have some albums that weren’t released yet.

Also thank for this place during lockdown.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Eephus said:
It would have been easy to just reuse my picks from the Desert Island Albums draft we did during the pandemic but I went with draft schtick for that one :bag:

Northern Voice

Thread 'Desert Island Album Draft - 15th Anniversary Edition - 50 Rounds in the books, sign up now for KP's listening program'

Alright, the original desert island album draft, the one that started it all as it was, took place here in April 2005. There are a number of people from that draft who are still around but the music threads have grown and expanded a lot since those days, so I figure 15 years later, it's time to take another crack at it. 

This will be a proper draft - picks in order, not one AM/one PM, etc... Past round one we will probably institute a 1 or 2 hour clock during daytime hours to keep it moving.

I think it's necessary to do it this it way since scarcity will be a real issue in...
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That link didn’t work for me for some reason.
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The one from 2005 is gone but the 2020 draft still works
 
Submissions should be formatted as

Album Name - Artist - points

*points should be in reverse of the ranking meaning your top album gets 70 points, second favorite 69 points and so on until you're 70th album gets 1 point.

It would be very helpful if lists are submitted from a excel spreadsheet or google sheet - but not necessary if you can't.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Submissions should be formatted as

Album Name - Artist - points

*points should be in reverse of the ranking meaning your top album gets 70 points, second favorite 69 points and so on until you're 70th album gets 1 point.

It would be very helpful if lists are submitted from an excel spreadsheet or google sheet - but not necessary if you can't.
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Would it be more helpful if I just give you a link to a google sheet so there’s no formatting issues across software?
 
I think i'll send in a few but the amount of FULL albums I've listened to is very low. Likely should have done the same for the book countdown.
 
Ilov80s said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Submissions should be formatted as

Album Name - Artist - points

*points should be in reverse of the ranking meaning your top album gets 70 points, second favorite 69 points and so on until you're 70th album gets 1 point.

It would be very helpful if lists are submitted from an excel spreadsheet or google sheet - but not necessary if you can't.
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Would it be more helpful if I just give you a link to a google sheet so there’s no formatting issues across software?
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Probably - we can try at least
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Submissions should be formatted as

Album Name - Artist - points

*points should be in reverse of the ranking meaning your top album gets 70 points, second favorite 69 points and so on until you're 70th album gets 1 point.

It would be very helpful if lists are submitted from a excel spreadsheet or google sheet - but not necessary if you can't.
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Just checking the math here and an album ranked 40th to 45th by 3 different people will score higher than an album ranked #1 by just one person.
That kinda sucks.
Rewards quantity not quality.
And i have no solutions unless its something like #1 =140 points, #2 = 130 points, #3 = 120 points…..#8 = 75 points……until it matches the original. Or have the spread go to #25 or something.
 
turnjose7 said:
Finished making a group of about 150 albums I would consider, now to cut it in half and determine a final order. I've got some jazz, but decided to avoid classical because that just seems to get too complicated.

Sorry if all the questions about rules are annoying, but one important one did come up as I was making this initial group. Compilations are generally not allowed, but is there any room for exceptions if that is the only way to include certain music? What I'm getting at is whether there is a way to include music from the time before the idea of an album existed. In particular, there is some great folk and blues music that deserves to be represented, but only exists as a collection of an artist's single recordings.
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A bit similar (but also a bit different), I do have some compilations of African or Brazilian music (either genre or artist based) from the 60s/70s that will probably put in. Mostly composed of stuff that I could not pinpoint any original source album if I tried (if they ever were on an album and not just released as a single).
 
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