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Could Best be the Fantasy R.O.Y? (1 Viewer)

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/...rove_to_be.html

Jahvid Best should prove to be the key addition for the Lions this season

By Tom Kowalski

June 06, 2010, 6:25AM

ALLEN PARK -- While second overall draft pick Ndamukong Suh might turn out to be a better overall player, first-round choice Jahvid Best could be the key addition to the Detroit Lions' season.

The Lions are clearly an offensive-heavy team at this point and they were extremely unbalanced with a ton of talent in the passing game and not much in the running department. Lions general manager Martin Mayhew expects Best to change all of that.

A running back with blazing speed -- and a threat to go the distance on any play -- Best also has excellent running ability. He won't break a ton of tackles, but he has great balance and explosion to pick his way through holes and accelerate through them.

Best is going to be Detroit's starting running back on opening day, there's no debate about that. What has yet to be determined, though, is how long he's going to be staying in the games.

While his 5-foot-10, 200-pound frame would suggest that he'll need to be in some sort of rotation to stay fresh, head coach Jim Schwartz isn't going into this with any preconceived notions. Actually, that's not true. Schwartz does have an idea of what he's looking for - what Chris Johnson has given the Titans over the last couple of years.

When Johnson was drafted -- and Schwartz was in Tennessee at the time -- it was believed the 185-pound Johnson couldn't handle a large workload. That has proven to be false and Schwartz hopes Best can prove the same thing in Detroit.

The Lions, though, will go into the season with idea that Best can't do that and hope for him to prove that he can. That's why Best was returning kickoffs during some of the off-season workouts. Look, if Best still is returning kickoffs as we get closer to the regular season, you can count that as an extremely bad sign.

There was a concussion issue with Best, who missed his last several games last season after suffering neck and head injuries while diving into the end zone on a touchdown. Best was cleared by a concussion specialist and it's believed that Best was healthy enough to play in California's bowl game but was advised against it because of his impending draft status. It's a similar situation to fourth-round pick Jason Fox, who didn't play in Miami's bowl game because he needed knee surgery to give him ample time to recover for draft preparations.

Still, Best has been banged up at different points during his football career and he has to prove that he can stay healthy. Carrying the workload doesn't just mean having the talent to do it, but possessing the durability as well.

The Lions moved up in the draft a few years ago -- to that same No. 30 spot -- to take another very talented runner, Kevin Jones of Virginia Tech. Jones started well in his rookie season but his career sputtered when he couldn't stay healthy.

Best needs to prove that history won't repeat itself.

 
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/...tilty_from.html

Lions look for versatilty from running backs Jahvid Best, Jerome Felton

By Tom Kowalski

June 04, 2010, 12:45AM

ALLEN PARK -- When it comes to the running back position, the Detroit Lions apparently are going to keep their options open.

During Thursday's Organized Team Activity practice -- the last one of the offseason the media will be allowed to attend -- first-round draft pick Jahvid Best was returning kickoffs and fullback Jerome Felton was playing tailback.

No, Lions coach Jim Schwartz hasn't lost his mind. He is just trying to keep an open one. This is the time of year when coaches experiment and move people around because they never know what might happen during training camp or the regular season.

The Lions traded up into the first round and took Best with the 30th overall pick because they wanted to add sizzle to their running attack. While Best will spend most of his time in that role, the Lions also want to see what he can do as a returner.

"He's working there and he did it (in college at California),'' Schwartz said. "There's a lot of ground to be covered before we actually return a kick this year but, yeah, he'll definitely be in the mix.''

If Best develops into the team's feature back, it's highly unlikely he'll do much -- if anything -- on special teams. But if he's just part of a running back-by-committee system, he'll be asked to help out on returns.

Best finished his college career by missing several games with a concussion. Schwartz said the injury factor won't be involved in any of his decisions.

"It really depends on his offensive role, it's not an issue of a fear of injury,'' Schwartz said. "There's a chance you can get hurt on every single play. You can't let that dictate a guy's playing time. The biggest thing is what is role is on offense and who else is returning.''

Meanwhile, Felton is getting a look at tailback, and not just in short-yardage or goal-line situations. The Lions have some decisions to make at the running back position and need to find players who are flexible.

"I've been playing a lot of tailback so we'll see how it works out,'' Felton said. "I hope to contribute in a big way this year.''

 
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/..._on_wbbl_1.html

Jim Schwartz on WBBL: It wouldn't surprise me if Kevin Smith is ready at start of training camp

By Philip Zaroo | MLive.com

June 04, 2010, 11:57AM

The last year has been rough for Kevin Smith, but things may be looking up a bit.

The Detroit Lions running back seems to be recovering quicker than expected from the knee injury he suffered toward the end of last season.

And after watching the Lions trade back up into the first round to take California tailback Jahvid Best, Smith is anxious to prove he's got a lot to offer.

"He's doing fantastic," Detroit head coach Jim Schwartz said on WBBL-FM's Bakita and Grey. "He's such a hard-working guy. We didn't expect anything different from him. But he's also healed pretty quick, and he's chompin' at the bit.

"If we were to play a game, he's not ready. But he's making progress, he's running around, he's taking some individual drills. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him ready at the start of training camp."

 
Smith averaged 3.4 YPC last season, one of the worst marks in the entire NFL out of all the backs who had 200+ carries.

Methinks Jahvid Best owners aren't too worried about him.

 
This is till the Lions you know. They are certainly getting better but I would temper expectations.

 
Any of the Best bandwagon'ers at all worried about the fact that the Green Bay and Minnesota defenses were ranked #1 and #2 against the run last year and Best gets to go against them a total of 4x?

Throw in games against the Cowboys, Jets, Eagles, Pats and Giants (#4, #8, #9, #13 & #14 respectively) and that's 44% of his schedule against Top-10 run defenses from last year -- and 56% of his schedule against Top-15 teams. And that doesn't even account for the two division games against Chicago with a freshly signed Julius Peppers, or games against Washington and Miami who were #16 & #18 against the run. If you count those for games as well that would be about 81% of Detroit's schedule against pretty decent run defenses.

I'm probably unwrapping it a bit more than needed, but I think there's something to think about with the Lions' division schedule at least.

 
Any of the Best bandwagon'ers at all worried about the fact that the Green Bay and Minnesota defenses were ranked #1 and #2 against the run last year and Best gets to go against them a total of 4x? Throw in games against the Cowboys, Jets, Eagles, Pats and Giants (#4, #8, #9, #13 & #14 respectively) and that's 44% of his schedule against Top-10 run defenses from last year -- and 56% of his schedule against Top-15 teams. And that doesn't even account for the two division games against Chicago with a freshly signed Julius Peppers, or games against Washington and Miami who were #16 & #18 against the run. If you count those for games as well that would be about 81% of Detroit's schedule against pretty decent run defenses.I'm probably unwrapping it a bit more than needed, but I think there's something to think about with the Lions' division schedule at least.
I'm not worried about it in the least. It's very common for high ranked defenses to "regress toward the mean" in the subsequent season.
 
Any of the Best bandwagon'ers at all worried about the fact that the Green Bay and Minnesota defenses were ranked #1 and #2 against the run last year and Best gets to go against them a total of 4x? Throw in games against the Cowboys, Jets, Eagles, Pats and Giants (#4, #8, #9, #13 & #14 respectively) and that's 44% of his schedule against Top-10 run defenses from last year -- and 56% of his schedule against Top-15 teams. And that doesn't even account for the two division games against Chicago with a freshly signed Julius Peppers, or games against Washington and Miami who were #16 & #18 against the run. If you count those for games as well that would be about 81% of Detroit's schedule against pretty decent run defenses.I'm probably unwrapping it a bit more than needed, but I think there's something to think about with the Lions' division schedule at least.
It's a factor to temper expectations, but it's hard to predict how defenses will do year-to-year. And if you're in a dynasty or keeper league, you have to discount it even further.
 
I think Best will be about the same as Kevin Smith was in his rookie year. They both can catch passes, but Best won't look any better than Smith did behind that o-line.

I predict similar #'s as Smith in his rookie season, maybe less with Smith coming back in the mix eventually. They always look better coming right out of college.

 
Smith's just a gutsy grinder who now has a bum wheel. Jahvid Best is freakin' gunpowder in cleats. Jim Schwartz used the 30th overall pick on him. The kid takes NFL Off. ROY with 1400+ total yards and a big handful of TDs, a few of them from 50+ yards out.

 
[stephenWright]If Jahvid Best doesn't win ROY does he have to change is name?[/stephenWright]

 
I watched the Cal Ultimate Frisbee team play at college nationals a few weeks back. I came away unimpressed. If Best is anything like their ultimate team I'm going to regret drafting him at 3 in two dynasties.

Otherwise, I'm going to enjoy watching a great football player. I hope he can just survive behind that line.

 
I'm bathing in Jahvid Best's kool-aid. I know that sounded awkward and auto-erotic but it's too late to backspace now.
I have to admit, I laughed out loud reading this.
Hee hee, I'm glad you got a chuckle!
the auto-erotic part of swimming in the man's sticky juice is a bit of an uncomfortable visual. But, Hey! I am with you man. I am just as excited about Best. ROY for sure. I think he'll have an ADP like spectacular season, truly. For real. Serious.
 
Like I said before,

Jahvid Best is freakin' gunpowder in cleats.

Many teams passed on Best earlier in the 1st round because of the recent image of the November concussion vs Oregon State. If that had happened in Aug/Sept instead -- and Best returned to finish the season strong, you can bet he would have gone top-10. Either way, it was an incidental head injury, not a knee or achilles.

All this Ryan Matthews hype, man I don't get it. Matthews has pretty good footwork and vision, but Best is

.
 
Like I said before,

Jahvid Best is freakin' gunpowder in cleats.

Many teams passed on Best earlier in the 1st round because of the recent image of the November concussion vs Oregon State. If that had happened in Aug/Sept instead -- and Best returned to finish the season strong, you can bet he would have gone top-10. Either way, it was an incidental head injury, not a knee or achilles.

All this Ryan Matthews hype, man I don't get it. Matthews has pretty good footwork and vision, but Best is

:kicksrock: :loco: I am with you all the way. Best will leave average RB's like Mattews in the dust. Think Best = Chris Johnson. Beast!

 
Like I said before,

Jahvid Best is freakin' gunpowder in cleats.

Many teams passed on Best earlier in the 1st round because of the recent image of the November concussion vs Oregon State. If that had happened in Aug/Sept instead -- and Best returned to finish the season strong, you can bet he would have gone top-10. Either way, it was an incidental head injury, not a knee or achilles.

All this Ryan Matthews hype, man I don't get it. Matthews has pretty good footwork and vision, but Best is

2007-Hip injury2008 offseason- surgery on elbow(dislocated) and foot.

2009-2 concussions with the on being major

Best as a football player is good....in regards to an NFL career.....carries huge question marks.

 
Any of the Best bandwagon'ers at all worried about the fact that the Green Bay and Minnesota defenses were ranked #1 and #2 against the run last year and Best gets to go against them a total of 4x? Throw in games against the Cowboys, Jets, Eagles, Pats and Giants (#4, #8, #9, #13 & #14 respectively) and that's 44% of his schedule against Top-10 run defenses from last year -- and 56% of his schedule against Top-15 teams. And that doesn't even account for the two division games against Chicago with a freshly signed Julius Peppers, or games against Washington and Miami who were #16 & #18 against the run. If you count those for games as well that would be about 81% of Detroit's schedule against pretty decent run defenses.I'm probably unwrapping it a bit more than needed, but I think there's something to think about with the Lions' division schedule at least.
I think these run defenses better worry about him, not too much vice-versa. I didn't worry about who Barry Sanders was playing against, and he didn't have the greatest of o-lines, to say the least. I'm not putting Best quite there with Barry, but one thing they have in common is that they are both extremely dynamic, slippery as can be with jaw-dropping (and ankle-breaking) wiggle. I'd be much more concerned about defensive rankings with plodder-type or avg. RBs like Forte or his fellow teammate K.Smith. And for those who play PPR (as I do), if/when the Lions fall behind some of these 'better' teams and have to air it out, this may prove to be a good thing for Best owners........
 
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benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Like I said before,

Jahvid Best is freakin' gunpowder in cleats.

Many teams passed on Best earlier in the 1st round because of the recent image of the November concussion vs Oregon State. If that had happened in Aug/Sept instead -- and Best returned to finish the season strong, you can bet he would have gone top-10. Either way, it was an incidental head injury, not a knee or achilles.

All this Ryan Matthews hype, man I don't get it. Matthews has pretty good footwork and vision, but Best is

and Curtis Martin was seriously dinged in College too.
 
Like I said before,

Jahvid Best is freakin' gunpowder in cleats.

Many teams passed on Best earlier in the 1st round because of the recent image of the November concussion vs Oregon State. If that had happened in Aug/Sept instead -- and Best returned to finish the season strong, you can bet he would have gone top-10. Either way, it was an incidental head injury, not a knee or achilles.

All this Ryan Matthews hype, man I don't get it. Matthews has pretty good footwork and vision, but Best is

So b/c one RB with a bigger build than Best was injured in college but made it in the NFL = Best making it???

 
Like I said before,

Jahvid Best is freakin' gunpowder in cleats.

Many teams passed on Best earlier in the 1st round because of the recent image of the November concussion vs Oregon State. If that had happened in Aug/Sept instead -- and Best returned to finish the season strong, you can bet he would have gone top-10. Either way, it was an incidental head injury, not a knee or achilles.

All this Ryan Matthews hype, man I don't get it. Matthews has pretty good footwork and vision, but Best is

WOW! Are you that nieve to think there is only one? That is one "example"..
 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
2007-Hip injury2008 offseason- surgery on elbow(dislocated) and foot.2009-2 concussions with the on being majorBest as a football player is good....in regards to an NFL career.....carries huge question marks.
WOW! Are you that nieve to think there is only one? That is one "example"..
Did I say that? I believe people are more naive....to push the injuries aside. I own Best in a dynasty and have stated multiple times that I love his talent. But to ignore his injuries and think he will be able to carry the load after he was injured EVERY single season in college football...is what will kill their fantasy seasons.
 
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I love Best's skillset as well, but I'm also leery of his injury history, especially the concussions. I think it would be "naive" not to be.

 
I love Best's skillset as well, but I'm also leery of his injury history, especially the concussions. I think it would be "naive" not to be.
Every RB in the NFL is one hit form being injured or concussed. So you FAIL to make any relevant point. Adrian Peterson had an injury history in college and what does that mean? NOTHING Darren McFadden had a healthy college career, what did that mean? NOTHINGI could go on and on but your a bit nieve if you think YOU can predict injuries.......... lol we have a regular nostradamus among us. :blackdot:
 
Not sure what your point is. Ray Rice looks pretty stocky there. He always looked stocky. Strange post.
respective combine pages...best - 5'10" 199 lbs.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jahvid-best?id=497147

rice - 5'9" 195 lbs.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ray-rice?id=941

clearly they have more similarities than differences in terms of their stature at a comparable stage of development...
Ray Rice's actual height is 5'8" on the nose. Jahvid Best is 5'10.1". Two inches is a big difference. I don't think they're very similar at all physically (and I'm a fan of Best's prospects).

 
Agreed....Anybody who has seen Rices' legs/lower body structure knows the physical comparisons aren't even really close.

Also, while "every" NFL player may be one hit away from being concussed, NOT EVERY player WAS CONCUSSED twice last year, including one where he lay motionless for nearly six minutes and was taken away in an ambulance. Steve Young admitted he was never the same after the concussion that left him motionless on the ground (not just "dinged" like some concussions), so I don't understand some people here not being at all concerned that this is an issue.

Especially in light of the commishes' office recent stance regarding Westy & Portis' situations last year.

It seems that if you like Best (& I'm not talking about EBF evaluating him as a prospect, like he does all rookies - I'm talking about those who seem to be aboard the ever quickening hype train), nothing is a detriment to his ROY & FF potential.

Lack of blocking skills - No problem, he'll split out wide on passing downs.

Had some injuries - No problem, they were "minor", all players can get hurt.

The Lions OLine is not real good - No problem, he'll outrun all the tacklers, he's got gunpowder in his cleats.

They play a hard D schedule this year - No problem, the D's will all regress to the means.

The Lions had him returning kicks last week (not real great for a "feature" RB IMO) - No problem, he can do it all is why.

Also, the "First RD" tag is a little misleading since the Lions moved up 4 spots to grab him @ 30 because they didn't want the "Shonn Greene" overnight event to take place again & risk teams trading up with St. Louis to take Best in front of Detroit on Day Two (like the deal the Jets made with Detroit at the start of RD3 for Greene the year before).

I personally don't care if he was taken 30th or 34th, but many point to his FIRST RD RB pedigree as another reason for his upcoming success. Now I like Best & was hopeful that he would be available at a reasonable price in both redrafts and dynasties, but due to the "Shark Pool/Rotoworld" effect that is no longer the case.

Everybody wants the next CJ2K (including THE LIONS), & I think many have prematurely pinned their hopes on Best being that guy - to the point of overlooking ANY possible negatives brought up by some in threads like this one.

It will be interesting to watch how he turns out, since I doubt I'll be able to land him on any of my teams, because there will be at LEAST one guy willing to reach way early for him in every draft I'm in this year....

He & Kolb will make or break a LOT of teams this year IMO. I've seen them end up on the same team a few times already this year (similar "hype" types).

Good thread & discussion though - one of the things I really like about the Shark Pool.

 
Not sure what your point is. Ray Rice looks pretty stocky there. He always looked stocky. Strange post.
respective combine pages...best - 5'10" 199 lbs.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jahvid-best?id=497147

rice - 5'9" 195 lbs.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ray-rice?id=941

clearly they have more similarities than differences in terms of their stature at a comparable stage of development...
Ray Rice's actual height is 5'8" on the nose. Jahvid Best is 5'10.1". Two inches is a big difference. I don't think they're very similar at all physically (and I'm a fan of Best's prospects).
Tell me that Rice's pic from college looks anything like Best's.Ray Rice

Jahvid Best

 

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