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[TBIST]

Josh McDaniels is straight up stupid.

Josh McDaniels fist pump

 

[Max Power]

its not all about stats and winning. The locker room is now a better place

 

[Buffaloes]

Three weeks into the season, I'd say they can definitely use Hillis. The other 3? Probably wouldn't be much better than what Orton and the WRs are doing in the passing game right now. Weird thread.

 

[basher]

Sure?

 

[todisco1]

Kyle Orton looks okay. The WRs seem to be doing reasonably well too.

I'm going to disagree with the original post.

 

[Brady Gaga]

Most teams like to keep their most talented players. But not Joshy.

Orton has been good but then why trade away almost all the picks he got for trading away Cutler and Marshall to move up for Tebow?

And how does he explain giving away the other picks he got from the Cutler trade to move up for Alphonso Smith last year with Smith now already traded away. And if he didn't need Marshall, then why use their own 1st rounder to draft his unproven clone in Bay Bay?

 

[basher]

Three weeks into the season, I'd say they can definitely use Hillis. The other 3? Probably wouldn't be much better than what Orton and the WRs are doing in the passing game right now. Weird thread.

Even hillis is iffy with a healthy Moreno.

 

[Buffaloes]

Three weeks into the season, I'd say they can definitely use Hillis. The other 3? Probably wouldn't be much better than what Orton and the WRs are doing in the passing game right now. Weird thread.

Even hillis is iffy with a healthy Moreno.

I think the Broncos are lacking a power back that can get the tough yards. Moreno's struggled at the GL this year too. But at this point, the OP is pretty far off base. The passing game is fine. The running game blows.

 

[Runningman]

Well the bigger question is did he replace them with similar or better talent. I think McDaniels is avery good coach but he sucks balls as a personel guy. Not only evalution of talent but also just plain draft mangement. Denver desperately needs a good GM but probably won't get one.

 

[Brady Gaga]

Well the bigger question is did he replace them with similar or better talent. I think McDaniels is avery good coach but he sucks balls as a personel guy. Not only evalution of talent but also just plain draft mangement. Denver desperately needs a good GM but probably won't get one.

All that team needed was defense. Shanny left the offense loaded. McDunce will be fired before 2012 - book it.

 

[Mile High]

Did the OP hear Alfred Williams and Mark Schlereth today? They both tore MaDaniels apart about everything. Not so much on Cutler but on Marshall and Hillis

 

[Mile High]

Three weeks into the season, I'd say they can definitely use Hillis. The other 3? Probably wouldn't be much better than what Orton and the WRs are doing in the passing game right now. Weird thread.

Even hillis is iffy with a healthy Moreno.

I think the Broncos are lacking a power back that can get the tough yards. Moreno's struggled at the GL this year too. But at this point, the OP is pretty far off base. The passing game is fine. The running game blows.

According to Williams and Schlereth they put the blame right on MaDaniels. Made good points, to run you have to practice the run. They were saying all this passing takes it's toll on the O-line

 

[Runningman]

Well the bigger question is did he replace them with similar or better talent. I think McDaniels is avery good coach but he sucks balls as a personel guy. Not only evalution of talent but also just plain draft mangement. Denver desperately needs a good GM but probably won't get one.

All that team needed was defense. Shanny left the offense loaded. McDunce will be fired before 2012 - book it.

Well I can understand some of it, some of them were problem guys maybe etc. but if you trade proven talent for draft picks those picks better be good. In this case not so much.

 

[cr8f]

Josh needs to prove he's smarter than surrogate father Belichick.

 

[Northbound Train]

its not all about stats and winning. The locker room is now a better place

 

[waybackwhen]

its not all about stats and winning. The locker room is now a better place

Oh good. I guess we can forget about the W/L record then.

 

[Max Power]

its not all about stats and winning. The locker room is now a better place

Oh good. I guess we can forget about the W/L record then.

only the fans care, silly...

 

[moleculo]

quick...name three guys who did not want to play in Denver and forced their way out of town.

(hint: one of them isn't a fullback)

 

[Vision6]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Should've kept the other guys though.

 

[Max Power]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad. Should've kept the other guys though.

Cutler and Knox...

 

[Buffaloes]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Way too early to say definitively, but aside from Quinn (who may or may not pan out, either way I think he was a reach) there is a lot of promise there. Tebow's a complete unknown, but the other three have looked good when they've hit the field this year.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235#ixzz10nGnxNlv

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

yeah, if only cutler and marshall were there they'd be throwing for 700 yds/game.

 

[Vision6]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad. Should've kept the other guys though.

Cutler and Knox...

*Cutler and a 6th round pick.If Denver kept that pick they probably would have wasted it like the others

 

[Vision6]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Way too early to say definitively, but aside from Quinn (who may or may not pan out, either way I think he was a reach) there is a lot of promise there. Tebow's a complete unknown, but the other three have looked good when they've hit the field this year.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235#ixzz10nGnxNlv

Are you sure that's right because I thought they used the 1st they got from the Bears in 2010 for 2009 2nd rounder CB Alphonso Smith (who has since been cut).

 

[Buffaloes]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Way too early to say definitively, but aside from Quinn (who may or may not pan out, either way I think he was a reach) there is a lot of promise there. Tebow's a complete unknown, but the other three have looked good when they've hit the field this year.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235#ixzz10nGnxNlv

Are you sure that's right because I thought they used the 1st they got from the Bears in 2010 for 2009 2nd rounder CB Alphonso Smith (who has since been cut).

Yes. Denver traded its own pick for Smith. Read the article I linked, the guys I posted are what Denver ended up turning the picks from the Cutler trade into.

 

[David Yudkin]

The Broncos are currently leading the league with 350 passing yards a game and are second in total offense. That hasn't translated to points as of yet. Not sure the offense is really hurting all that much without those players.

 

[BRONG]

What , there aren't 50 way more informative threads about this? Or did the the OP just now put part of this together?

 

[moleculo]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Way too early to say definitively, but aside from Quinn (who may or may not pan out, either way I think he was a reach) there is a lot of promise there. Tebow's a complete unknown, but the other three have looked good when they've hit the field this year.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235#ixzz10nGnxNlv

Are you sure that's right because I thought they used the 1st they got from the Bears in 2010 for 2009 2nd rounder CB Alphonso Smith (who has since been cut).

no - they traded their own 2010 1st round for the 2009 2nd to take Craphonso. It was a pretty controversial move around these parts because everyone assumed it would be an easy top 5 pick.Also - Craphonso wasn't cut - he was traded.

 

[moleculo]

out of curiousity - can someone pls compare and contrast the Broncos W/L before the 2006 draft class arrived, Denvers W/L with these guys, and their W/L since? TIA

 

[Max Power]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad. Should've kept the other guys though.

Cutler and Knox...

*Cutler and a 6th round pick.If Denver kept that pick they probably would have wasted it like the others

6th or 5th?

 

[thecardiackid]

Most teams like to keep their most talented players. But not Joshy.

Orton has been good but then why trade away almost all the picks he got for trading away Cutler and Marshall to move up for Tebow?

And how does he explain giving away the other picks he got from the Cutler trade to move up for Alphonso Smith last year with Smith now already traded GIVEN away. And if he didn't need Marshall, then why use their own 1st rounder to draft his unproven clone in Bay Bay?

fixed.i don't think JM could have handled the GM side any worse. now all of the *problems* that needed to be removed are dropping nice stat lines for other teams.

at least his offense is ranked high. he'll need it to find a new OC job, much sooner than his ego will let him believe.

 

[Runningman]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Way too early to say definitively, but aside from Quinn (who may or may not pan out, either way I think he was a reach) there is a lot of promise there. Tebow's a complete unknown, but the other three have looked good when they've hit the field this year.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235#ixzz10nGnxNlv

Although you are right the jury is not completely in, I think you are breaking out the lipstick for the pig here. Orton is what he is and what we thought he was. He works well in the system but has no ability to be that little bit of extra good that wins football games. Please don't break out his winning percentage a great deal of that was made on the backs of the Good Bears defenses. Ayers has proven to be spectacularly average, Thomas has shown glimpses let's hope, Decker can't even get activated, Quinn is what he is also, and one third of Tebow is a shot in the dark. Not adequete compensation for a possible franchise QB IMO.

 

[Mile High]

out of curiousity - can someone pls compare and contrast the Broncos W/L before the 2006 draft class arrived, Denvers W/L with these guys, and their W/L since? TIA

Not sure how far you want to go back before 2006. 2000-11-52001-8-82002-9-72003-10-62004-10-62005-13-32006-9-72007-7-92008-8-82009-8-82010-1-2

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

They could probably use Hillis, but it's not a huge deal.

 

[Mile High]

They could probably use Hillis, but it's not a huge deal.

To be fair they did sign LeDale White to replace Hillis. He might have been able to punch in a few.

 

[Max Power]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad. Should've kept the other guys though.

Thats the thing about picks...they are gambles

 

[candymanvandyfan]

I think this is one of those things where the coach thinks if he can make yards with worse players and castoffs, he doesn't have to share any credit.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

quick...name three guys who did not want to play in Denver and forced their way out of town.(hint: one of them isn't a fullback)

The same three guys who didn't want to be coached by a clown and had leverage to make their circus exit possible.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Way too early to say definitively, but aside from Quinn (who may or may not pan out, either way I think he was a reach) there is a lot of promise there. Tebow's a complete unknown, but the other three have looked good when they've hit the field this year.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235#ixzz10nGnxNlv

Quinn is a hot mess. I'd rather have Hillis than Quinn and it ain't evemn close. Quinn is garbage. He was garbage in CLE. Problem with an egomaniac like Daniels is that he thinks the only thing standing between Quinn and stardom was Daniels. He has to realize it's not all about him.

 

[pizzatyme]

Hillis move was bad. I'm okay with the rest. How they used the picks is another story.

BTW, does Hillis seem like a reincarnation of Alstott to anyone else? Dude looks legit to me!

 

[basher]

a mike alstott who doesn't go down after 3 yards.

 

[basher]

They made the right move dealing Cutler for all those picks and Orton (who isn't much worse). However they wasted those picks so it looks bad.

Way too early to say definitively, but aside from Quinn (who may or may not pan out, either way I think he was a reach) there is a lot of promise there. Tebow's a complete unknown, but the other three have looked good when they've hit the field this year.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235#ixzz10nGnxNlv

Quinn is a hot mess. I'd rather have Hillis than Quinn and it ain't evemn close. Quinn is garbage. He was garbage in CLE. Problem with an egomaniac like Daniels is that he thinks the only thing standing between Quinn and stardom was Daniels. He has to realize it's not all about him.

I think they were talking about Richard Quinn.

 

[moleculo]

quick...name three guys who did not want to play in Denver and forced their way out of town.(hint: one of them isn't a fullback)

The same three guys who didn't want to be coached by a clown and had leverage to make their circus exit possible.

this is not accurate.The first was a giant immature ##### who got so upset that a coach dared to consider a trade that he refused to take phone calls from the owner and demanded that he be traded. I believe things were gonna work out and smooth over, until said ##### pissed off the man who signs the checks. If you want to blame anyone in Denver, blame the owner.The second - who knows what happened there, but he was a healthy scratch for the last game of the season - word is he gave up on the season in the middle of the playoff hunt.The third had a good relationship with McD, but did not like living in Denver after his friend was killed and he felt that he was mis-treated by Denvers training staff.

 

[Bri]

what moleculo said

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Josh McDaniels is straight up stupid.

Josh McDaniels fist pump

Not only did he get rid of his best players he WASTED his #1 pick on a qb who is lucky to make an NFL roster and he passed on the best wr in the draft.

McDaniels should be fired for being incompetent.

 

[Neofight]

Can we revisit the Alphonso Smith for Dan Gronkowski trade? Smith is starting and looking like the real deal in Detroit: he has almost as many interceptions (4) as Gronk the Lesser has catches (6), plus 6 passes defended and a fumble recovery near the goal line (though he did fumble as well). He is smart, talented, plays "sassy" and he already has a pick six (courtesy of Sam Bradford).

Anyone have a clue as to why McDaniels gave up on this kid so quickly after he spent a 1sy rounder to get him? It would seem that with two 32 year old starters they might need a player with his abilities in the near future. It will be interesting to see what the Broncos young backups do when they get their chance.

But right now this looks like a pretty horrible move.

 

[jojoh07]

Can we revisit the Alphonso Smith for Dan Gronkowski trade? Smith is starting and looking like the real deal in Detroit: he has almost as many interceptions (4) as Gronk the Lesser has catches (6), plus 6 passes defended and a fumble recovery near the goal line (though he did fumble as well). He is smart, talented, plays "sassy" and he already has a pick six (courtesy of Sam Bradford).

Anyone have a clue as to why McDaniels gave up on this kid so quickly after he spent a 1sy rounder to get him? It would seem that with two 32 year old starters they might need a player with his abilities in the near future. It will be interesting to see what the Broncos young backups do when they get their chance.

But right now this looks like a pretty horrible move.

Its mcdaniels , Nothing makes sense about him , he will be fired in the offseason

 

[PolishNorbi]

quick...name three guys who did not want to play in Denver and forced their way out of town.(hint: one of them isn't a fullback)

The same three guys who didn't want to be coached by a clown and had leverage to make their circus exit possible.

this is not accurate.The first was a giant immature ##### who got so upset that a coach dared to consider a trade that he refused to take phone calls from the owner and demanded that he be traded. I believe things were gonna work out and smooth over, until said ##### pissed off the man who signs the checks. If you want to blame anyone in Denver, blame the owner.

Put yourself in that position. Pro bowl QB, drafted 11th overall, and coming off a 4,500 yards season and the new coach wants to bring a QB who just played his first year in a very gifted offense and says he prefers him over you? Wouldn't you be pissed as well? I sure as hell would. Now at the same time, I do think he does have some blame put on him.

 

[moleculo]

Can we revisit the Alphonso Smith for Dan Gronkowski trade? Smith is starting and looking like the real deal in Detroit: he has almost as many interceptions (4) as Gronk the Lesser has catches (6), plus 6 passes defended and a fumble recovery near the goal line (though he did fumble as well). He is smart, talented, plays "sassy" and he already has a pick six (courtesy of Sam Bradford).

Anyone have a clue as to why McDaniels gave up on this kid so quickly after he spent a 1sy rounder to get him? It would seem that with two 32 year old starters they might need a player with his abilities in the near future. It will be interesting to see what the Broncos young backups do when they get their chance.

But right now this looks like a pretty horrible move.

right now it looks like Detroit got the better deal...good for them. It's pretty obvious (to me, anyways) that ASmith in DET <> ASmith in DEN, whatever that is worth.Present thoughts are that Alphonso wasn't working hard, and came in cocky lsat year. He apparently wasn't working hard, and thought that things should be handed to him. After being traded for an afterthought, the light came on and he is starting to fulfill his potential.

It's either that or Det runs a scheme more in-line with Alphonso does.

As far as Denvers defensive back-up, I feel pretty good about Perrish Cox and Syd-Quan Thompson. Both have flashed more than Alphonso ever did in Denver. Cox is the best DB prospect Denver has had since the late Darrent Williams.

 

[moleculo]

quick...name three guys who did not want to play in Denver and forced their way out of town.(hint: one of them isn't a fullback)

The same three guys who didn't want to be coached by a clown and had leverage to make their circus exit possible.

this is not accurate.The first was a giant immature ##### who got so upset that a coach dared to consider a trade that he refused to take phone calls from the owner and demanded that he be traded. I believe things were gonna work out and smooth over, until said ##### pissed off the man who signs the checks. If you want to blame anyone in Denver, blame the owner.

Put yourself in that position. Pro bowl QB, drafted 11th overall, and coming off a 4,500 yards season and the new coach wants to bring a QB who just played his first year in a very gifted offense and says he prefers him over you? Wouldn't you be pissed as well? I sure as hell would. Now at the same time, I do think he does have some blame put on him.

I most certainly would be pissed too. I, however, am a mature professional, and I would behave as such. I would buckle down and work hard to prove myself and to earn whatever it is that I desire.