Could the Dolphins Pass on the #1 Pick? (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

Then the Rams, at No. 2, will take either Michigan T Jake Long or LSU DT Glenn Dorsey. I’d be really surprised if the Falcons don’t take Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Their QBs are Joey Harrington and Chris Redman. Last year at this time, their QBs were Michael Vick (now in jail) and Matt Schaub (now in Houston). It’s even been speculated Parcells could actually pass at No. 1 and then jump back in and take Chris Long a few spots later to attempt to save a bunch of money.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...all.html?page=1

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

seems silly to me

If this does happen I could see Roger getting a rule in there that if you time out you forfiet the pick if this happens

 

[Banger]

Then the Rams, at No. 2, will take either Michigan T Jake Long or LSU DT Glenn Dorsey. I’d be really surprised if the Falcons don’t take Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Their QBs are Joey Harrington and Chris Redman. Last year at this time, their QBs were Michael Vick (now in jail) and Matt Schaub (now in Houston). It’s even been speculated Parcells could actually pass at No. 1 and then jump back in and take Chris Long a few spots later to attempt to save a bunch of money.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...all.html?page=1

won't happen. What if someone else moves up/takes their guy? Too much risk for gaining some cap. Trade down instead and make it worth your while...

 

[Shrek]

I've often wondered what would happen if teams started doing this. Then I saw what happened with people like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, and Brady Quinn. For some reason, it doesn't matter if they slip down in the draft. They and their agents have some sort of "perceived worth", regardless of the player's actual draft position. If you draft someone like that all you're going to get is a hassle, a probable holdout, and you're likely to pay more for them than what they're worth just to get them into camp. IMO the problem these days is that the top draft spot salaries are escalating too fast.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Then the Rams, at No. 2, will take either Michigan T Jake Long or LSU DT Glenn Dorsey. I’d be really surprised if the Falcons don’t take Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Their QBs are Joey Harrington and Chris Redman. Last year at this time, their QBs were Michael Vick (now in jail) and Matt Schaub (now in Houston). It’s even been speculated Parcells could actually pass at No. 1 and then jump back in and take Chris Long a few spots later to attempt to save a bunch of money.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...all.html?page=1

No chance this happens.

seems silly to me

If this does happen I could see Roger getting a rule in there that if you time out you forfiet the pick if this happens

Why would they institute a rule like that? That's just silly and goes against the whole parity idea the NFL is trying to promote.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I've often wondered what would happen if teams started doing this. Then I saw what happened with people like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, and Brady Quinn. For some reason, it doesn't matter if they slip down in the draft. They and their agents have some sort of "perceived worth", regardless of the player's actual draft position. If you draft someone like that all you're going to get is a hassle, a probable holdout, and you're likely to pay more for them than what they're worth just to get them into camp. IMO the problem these days is that the top draft spot salaries are escalating too fast.

There's no rule that says a player has to make less money than the player drafted in front of him. I don't know why you'd have a problem with Reggie Bush doing that. There's no rule that says a free agent WR that has 1000 yards has to get paid more than one who has 950 yards, either. A player should sign for what they feel they're worth.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The problem is the Brady Quinn's of the world always think they're worth a lot more than they really are.

 

[Cookiemonster]

With the top picks gaining value so quickly, I've been waiting for 3 or 4 years for this to happen. It's only a matter of time and in a draft like this where the top 7 or 8 are nearly equal in value/buzz, I think it'd be a good strategy to try out. Would the next team be on the clock for the same amount of time and then on to the the 3rd and so on? My only concern is how long it could domino.

 

[twitch]

This #1 pick will be possibly the most important move Parcells makes as the leader of the Dolphins. It will set the tone for this organization for the next 10 years. He's being paid high-level exec dollars to make brilliant moves that will turn this organization around. And you honestly think he's just gonna PASS on the pick to save a couple bucks?? Really? I'd scratch every last hair off my head trying to figure that one out.

Parcells would love to move this pick. He'd love to move down to 5 or 6 and add a 2nd rounder. He'd love to trade with Dallas and acquire their two #1s and maybe a 4th. He'd love to do alot of things. What he's going to do is sign a #1 pick before the draft begins. And what he's NOT going to do is pull the bonehead move of the year and simply wait until the 2nd or 3rd slot to make his pick.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This #1 pick will be possibly the most important move Parcells makes as the leader of the Dolphins. It will set the tone for this organization for the next 10 years. He's being paid high-level exec dollars to make brilliant moves that will turn this organization around. And you honestly think he's just gonna PASS on the pick to save a couple bucks?? Really? I'd scratch every last hair off my head trying to figure that one out.

Parcells would love to move this pick. He'd love to move down to 5 or 6 and add a 2nd rounder. He'd love to trade with Dallas and acquire their two #1s and maybe a 4th. He'd love to do alot of things. What he's going to do is sign a #1 pick before the draft begins. And what he's NOT going to do is pull the bonehead move of the year and simply wait until the 2nd or 3rd slot to make his pick.

I disagree with a lot of what you post around here. But you nailed it with that second paragraph.

 

[az_prof]

You may recall that the Vikings under Tice did this a few years ago (by accident not on purpose) and my recollection is that it DID complicate negotiations because the player perceived their value higher than their draft slot. It makes sense to trade down even if you don't get a great pick in return if this is really what you want to do. Parcells would never just skip the pick. This is crazy talk. I have read somewhere that he would like to trade down but that he said this year is a hard year to do that

 

[Yenrub]

Anyone here think that Bill and Miami would take less than “draft chart” value for the 1st pick?

 

[massraider]

Anyone here think that Bill and Miami would take less than “draft chart” value for the 1st pick?

Sure, I could see it.I just wonder if there's a team out there that's locked in on one guy. Seems like every team in the top 5 or 10 can go in more than one direction.

 

[Phurfur]

I've often wondered what would happen if teams started doing this. Then I saw what happened with people like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, and Brady Quinn. For some reason, it doesn't matter if they slip down in the draft. They and their agents have some sort of "perceived worth", regardless of the player's actual draft position. If you draft someone like that all you're going to get is a hassle, a probable holdout, and you're likely to pay more for them than what they're worth just to get them into camp. IMO the problem these days is that the top draft spot salaries are escalating too fast.

I think you may be wrong about Brady Quinn. If I remember correctly allot of his potential contract is incentive based which makes him a very affordable BU QB.Brady lost allot of money falling to where he did.

 

[twitch]

Anyone here think that Bill and Miami would take less than “draft chart” value for the 1st pick?

Sure, I could see it.I just wonder if there's a team out there that's locked in on one guy. Seems like every team in the top 5 or 10 can go in more than one direction.

I agree. I dont see a homerun play at the top of the draft making it worth the move up. Chris Long looks like a sure thing as a Dend, but I just dont know if he's worth the boatload of money and picks it would take to move up and get him. I do expect him to be the guy Parcells eventually takes.

 

[LawFitz]

Anyone here think that Bill and Miami would take less than “draft chart” value for the 1st pick?

Sure, I could see it.I just wonder if there's a team out there that's locked in on one guy. Seems like every team in the top 5 or 10 can go in more than one direction.

That draft value chart is a complete joke IMO. Who the F cares what the valuations were umpteen years ago when Jimmy Johnson created this thing. Based on top pick salary escalation and year to year talent fluctuation, this chart should be no where near as ubiquitous as the league makes it out to be.This year moving down from #1 should take A LOT less than that stupid chart portrays.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Anyone here think that Bill and Miami would take less than “draft chart” value for the 1st pick?

Sure, I could see it.I just wonder if there's a team out there that's locked in on one guy. Seems like every team in the top 5 or 10 can go in more than one direction.

I agree. I dont see a homerun play at the top of the draft making it worth the move up. Chris Long looks like a sure thing as a Dend, but I just dont know if he's worth the boatload of money and picks it would take to move up and get him. I do expect him to be the guy Parcells eventually takes.

It's hard to justify the expense to move up currently and there doesn't seem to be a home run. That's what makes the first 5 or so picks so exciting to me this year- any number of people could go any number of place.

 

[Marc Levin]

He will have contracts out to the top-5 people and one of them will accept before draft day.

Why would he wait and pick later when he wil have his guy signed before the draft?

 

[twitch]

He will have contracts out to the top-5 people and one of them will accept before draft day.

Why would he wait and pick later when he wil have his guy signed before the draft?

I understand your logic, and I think the jist of its intent is true. But I dont really think theyve got 5 guys theyre willing to actually show contracts to. Theyve probably got it narrowed down to 2 by now, or they will in a week or so when the contract talks become closer to an actual reality. And Id guess those 2 guys would be Jake Long and Chris Long. One of those 2 will be more than willing to sign a deal to play and LIVE in Miami and hold the lifelong privelege of being an NFL #1 overall draft pick. Parcells will have those 2 guys wrestling in mudd to play for the Dolphins. Signing their player by Friday before the draft, as youve said, is a given. Im getting kindof pumped for your boys at this point, Levin. I realize this is a bit of a turning point for your franchise, so its a big pick. No doubt, your man Parcells is gonna get a guy jacked to the max to shed his skin for the franchise. And beyond just the mere skills that the chosen player will obviously bring to the table, its that attitude that he really wants. And that is exciting.

 

[Shrek]

I've often wondered what would happen if teams started doing this. Then I saw what happened with people like Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, and Brady Quinn. For some reason, it doesn't matter if they slip down in the draft. They and their agents have some sort of "perceived worth", regardless of the player's actual draft position. If you draft someone like that all you're going to get is a hassle, a probable holdout, and you're likely to pay more for them than what they're worth just to get them into camp. IMO the problem these days is that the top draft spot salaries are escalating too fast.

I think you may be wrong about Brady Quinn. If I remember correctly allot of his potential contract is incentive based which makes him a very affordable BU QB.Brady lost allot of money falling to where he did.

Yes, and IIRC it took them quite awhile to get him signed. It was just an example- they're not all the same exact case. The point is that because of people like Kiper and other NFL mocks, these players think they deserve to not only get drafted at a certain spot, but that they deserve the money even if they aren't drafted at the spot they thought they were going to be drafted at.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I wouldn't be surprised if the next NFLPA / Owner agreement includes a rookie salary cap / scale.

Even Bill Polian has said that the NFL Draft is now messed up because of all the $$ you have to spend on the top rookies, none of which have earned that kind of money at the pro level.

If a rookie scale gets instituted, it could solve some issues.

 

[Marvelous]

Anyone here think that Bill and Miami would take less than “draft chart” value for the 1st pick?

Sure, I could see it.I just wonder if there's a team out there that's locked in on one guy. Seems like every team in the top 5 or 10 can go in more than one direction.

That draft value chart is a complete joke IMO. Who the F cares what the valuations were umpteen years ago when Jimmy Johnson created this thing. Based on top pick salary escalation and year to year talent fluctuation, this chart should be no where near as ubiquitous as the league makes it out to be.This year moving down from #1 should take A LOT less than that stupid chart portrays.

I am surprised that no one to date has traded out of the top spot for far less than the draft chart dictates. It is time to blow the old chart up and in my opinion, it only takes one trade to do it.

 

[renesauz]

This topic seems to come up every 3 weeks or so.

Guys, NOBODY will EVER purposefully skip themselves in the draft. That makes ZERO sense, especially out of the #1 spot, where you can negotiate with the guy you want before you ever draft him, and if he won't sign for something reasonable...move on to the next guy until you do. You'll get a few boos on draft day if you don't take the consensus #1...but who cares?

Philly got bood badly with McNabb.

The Texans were crucified for Super Mario.

How'd those two picks work out?