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Covid and School This Fall (1 Viewer)
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I went to my local bagel shop for the first time in a while to pickup a call in order. 11 customers inside - 2 masks. Only one group of 4 at a table and all 4 without masks. One of the guys in their group was talking to the lady in front of me. Both complaining about things - “kids get colds all the time at the beginning of the school year” and things like that. Then they are complaining about kids sports being cancelled. I so bad wanted to interrupt them and say, “yes, it really sucks that folks can’t wear masks and help us get back to some normalcy”. I’m guessing it would have been lost on these folks.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yeah masks suck. We all get it. But if its what I have to do to allow my sons to play youth sports then mask me up. These "adults" don't get it. They complain their kids cant play sports but fail to take the measures to allow them to play sports.
MAC_32
Footballguy
How big is the school? class size? is there much movement throughout the day? what are the numbers like in your area? do you know a meaningful number of kids/parents?
I'm asking because the answer to those questions are why we are less concerned about sending our kids back, if the school actually opens anyway. The numbers in our area are our biggest concern. Not that they're bad. But they're not good either.
Doug B
Footballguy
Your point is certainly granted. Note that the NY Times article you linked is, IMHO, saying pretty much what Ilov80s and I were saying.
We might be talking past each other a bit ... our point was not "COVID-19 can't and won't spread in K-12 schools". The narrower point we were making was truly about "little kids" (IMHO, maxing out around 5-6 yo).
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
My prediction is all these schools doing in-person learning are going to end up with sizable chunk of teachers getting quarantined (when outbreaks happen) and some getting the virus itself. The pool of substitute teachers, which tends to be retired or older teachers, will want none of this nonsense and we are going to be hearing about teacher shortages here in the very near future.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Got my son's plan. He's going into JHS. They have 4 groups of kids. Groups A, B, and C are blended learning and rotate days in school. This means they are in school 5 days every 3 weeks. Group D is 100% Remote. When in school, kids will stay in classroom all day, teachers rotate. Kids eat lunch in the classroom and learn during their lunch break meaning the school day will be shorter. Everyone must wear masks all day. This is the part my son is gonna have the toughest time with.
munga30
Checkin' my email
Metro Boston here and my daughter is getting a "Bridge to Hybrid" back to public high school plan. All remote through Thanksgiving. *Possible* expansion to hybrid (2 days in-person, three days remote) then but only if "available data and reopening metrics" indicate it's safe and feasible. Return to full time in-person "when safe to do so."
The Gator
Footballguy
We got some indication on how our remote schooling will work for one of our kids:
School, and students, will follow a real-time school schedule, and kids will be expected to check-in virtually with each class at the appropriate time, and teachers will be expected to deliver some content during that time block. This includes a zero-hour class for our younger daughter.
All kids are being provided with a chromebook and WiFi hotspot if necessary.
Our older daughter is in a different high school, and I am less confident they will be as organized, but she also did pretty well last spring, so I am not terribly worried...yet.
School, and students, will follow a real-time school schedule, and kids will be expected to check-in virtually with each class at the appropriate time, and teachers will be expected to deliver some content during that time block. This includes a zero-hour class for our younger daughter.
All kids are being provided with a chromebook and WiFi hotspot if necessary.
Our older daughter is in a different high school, and I am less confident they will be as organized, but she also did pretty well last spring, so I am not terribly worried...yet.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
And I don't really know if it is safe or not. That isn't my field and I am not in a position to make a call about sending myself or kids to school. If I am asked to go in, I'll go in and teach. If I am asked to stay home, I'll stay home. I just think if I was in a position of leadership, I would targeting all the focus on the getting the youngest kids possible in school and working my way up- assuming there was enough reasonable support from the community and health officials.
Capella
Footballguy
Sounds like a nightmare. Is remote not a possibility or you just don’t want to do it?
shadyridr
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
This just doesn't seem to be working.
I haven't seen a single Texas district that is bringing in young kids where they aren't older kids.
Doug B
Footballguy
For those wondering how they'll keep kids wearing masks ...
My son's middle school had their orientation on Zoom yesterday evening. For kids attending the 2-day-a-week program (aka "A" & "B" schedules), the mask-rule consequences are:
- First time removing mask: spend rest of the day in the school's 'isolation room' (a place to work separate from the classroom)
- Second time removing mask: expulsion
It's similar for physical touching between students (to include fighting, teasing, poking, etc.) Kids will either adjust quick or repeat the grade. Not sure how close to 'zero tolerance' they're going to hew ... in the past, this school had been fairly loose with many rules and a fair amount of unruliness had been tolerated. I guess we'll see.
They also covered fairly convoluted protocols for students leaving class, returning to class, changing classes between periods, etc. A mistake I think they're making is having the kids continue to change classes instead of the teachers.
In our school district, families of kids in all grades have the option to choose 100% virtual lessons. We have chosen virtual learning both for our son & daughter.
My son's middle school had their orientation on Zoom yesterday evening. For kids attending the 2-day-a-week program (aka "A" & "B" schedules), the mask-rule consequences are:
- First time removing mask: spend rest of the day in the school's 'isolation room' (a place to work separate from the classroom)
- Second time removing mask: expulsion
It's similar for physical touching between students (to include fighting, teasing, poking, etc.) Kids will either adjust quick or repeat the grade. Not sure how close to 'zero tolerance' they're going to hew ... in the past, this school had been fairly loose with many rules and a fair amount of unruliness had been tolerated. I guess we'll see.
They also covered fairly convoluted protocols for students leaving class, returning to class, changing classes between periods, etc. A mistake I think they're making is having the kids continue to change classes instead of the teachers.
In our school district, families of kids in all grades have the option to choose 100% virtual lessons. We have chosen virtual learning both for our son & daughter.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I totally understand people's desire to make this work. Both for their own sake (free childcare) and for the children's sake (education, social normalcy). I'm not here to judge or throw stones at folks who want kids to stay home nor those who want kids to go back to school.
We had our back to school night orientation for my 1st grader last night and I was not impressed. Teacher immediately removed her mask and said it's hard to talk in that thing (she pulled it down around her chin). We were the last meeting of the day and she addressed me basically assuming that my primary concern was going to be the children's sufferering due to wearing masks, I'm guessing because that was a concern brought up by many of the other parents (she alluded to this). She assured me that kids wouldn't have to wear their masks when outside and that they would be taking mask wearing "breaks" throughout the day in the classroom. Honestly if I had to guess I'd give it about a week before masks are on less than 50% of the kids in the classroom less than 50% of the time.
Again, I totally understand the need people feel to get kids back to school for our economy to function, and for kids to be kids, but the cases are absolutely going to spike hugely on this. Whether or not that is worth it is the discussion we should be having. Whether or not we'll be able to do this while containing the spread through schools is a waste of time. That part is absolutely not going to happen.
ETA: This is in Utah
We had our back to school night orientation for my 1st grader last night and I was not impressed. Teacher immediately removed her mask and said it's hard to talk in that thing (she pulled it down around her chin). We were the last meeting of the day and she addressed me basically assuming that my primary concern was going to be the children's sufferering due to wearing masks, I'm guessing because that was a concern brought up by many of the other parents (she alluded to this). She assured me that kids wouldn't have to wear their masks when outside and that they would be taking mask wearing "breaks" throughout the day in the classroom. Honestly if I had to guess I'd give it about a week before masks are on less than 50% of the kids in the classroom less than 50% of the time.
Again, I totally understand the need people feel to get kids back to school for our economy to function, and for kids to be kids, but the cases are absolutely going to spike hugely on this. Whether or not that is worth it is the discussion we should be having. Whether or not we'll be able to do this while containing the spread through schools is a waste of time. That part is absolutely not going to happen.
ETA: This is in Utah
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KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Just a PSA: Chromebooks are going to be in very short supply if schools start shutting down, if you need one for your kid you may want to grab one now.
If possible just leave it in the packaging and return it if you need.
If possible just leave it in the packaging and return it if you need.
MAC_32
Footballguy
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
I just picked up a Lenovo Duet yesterday so I know they're still around. Supply is definitely thin though
Edit to add - in Upstate NY, but they had available for shipping too
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lumpy19
Footballguy
Agreed, 6-12 all remote and pre-K -5 spread out over all the schools to keep social distance.
MAC_32
Footballguy
She's in charge of technology and they're on back order everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if there are ones floating around out there in retail (online or brick/mortar), but like you said - thin. Anyone that may need one better get on it today.
xulf
Footballguy
Our school district gave out a sample plan for our elementary school kids that have this too. No chance it works for anyone that has kids in daycare. Even those that have WFH it's going to be a ####show...especially for those with multiple kids with things at the same time.
The Gator
Footballguy
We kept both of our kids on that schedule last spring - even though the schools were not on that schedule. But, it definitely works for older kids, more than younger kids.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Our previous nanny (when the twins were 1-3 years old) just told us she found another gig and can't help out during the day to supervise the 2nd graders at home while my wife and I work. Now we're gonna scramble to find someone to supervise... Ugh.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Otis said:
Should I fly into JFK or LaGuardia?
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I know, but the jury is out on that, too. Without a good study or one with a control group, we just don't know. But that doesn't really matter that much. All those teachers got to come from somewhere. And little kids are much more hands on than older kids. They want to hug the teacher, asuming the teacher isn't an ogre.Doug B said:
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
What is this? It sounds like she will be invading Normandy.The Gator said:
Yeah I doubt that will be enforced very well. There will be a lot of looking the other way other than the kids that are really being causing problems. And to a point that is ok. Mask usage doesn’t need to be 100% constantly to have significant mitigation effects. I’ve seen a lot of teens that are much better with the masks than middle aged adults.Doug B said:
Otis
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
Cuomo announced NY full opening schools so long as the numbers stay low.
Why didn’t the whole country just shut down like NY did? They’d all have been able to do the same.
Though I’m still banking on a massive outbreak that shuts down schools in a month. Then again I’m no expert, and Cuomo is listening to the experts and believes we can make this work, so let’s see what happens.
Why didn’t the whole country just shut down like NY did? They’d all have been able to do the same.
Though I’m still banking on a massive outbreak that shuts down schools in a month. Then again I’m no expert, and Cuomo is listening to the experts and believes we can make this work, so let’s see what happens.
The Gator
Footballguy
She is in an accelerated STEM program, where the kids take one extra class per year. The school operates on a block schedule, meaning they take 8 classes, 4 each on rotating days. The STEM program kids take one additional class that meets every day. For Freshmen, that class will either be Algebra 2 or Chemistry - and it starts at 7:25 each morning, with the regular schedule starting at 8:30. So, the "zero-hour" just reflects that it starts before the normal 1st hour class.
Over the course of the program, it allows extra flexibility in getting in math and science electives.
Chickenwang
Footballguy
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
Maybe they are protesting against homeworkOtis said:
Otis
Footballguy
He stopped the virus in New York State. Turns out we have a pretty big city here. Idiot or not, that’s impressive compared to what’s happening in other places.
If every governor in the country did what Cuomo did a couple months ago, we’d have no virus.
Capella
Footballguy
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I get your point, but a) there's no such thing as zero virus, not even in NYC, and b) circumstances were different in New York than in other places. Many other states haven't had huge outbreaks like the north east had.
pinequick
Footballguy
This. Our district is telling counselors, administrators, basically every certificated person who isn't a teacher, "You'll be subbing at some point." Which really strains the credulity of the notion of the "superiority of in-person instruction."Courtjester said:
Likewise, I see all of this being on about an 8-week timer. We got a list of the symptoms with which teachers MUST stay home. The overlap of these symptoms with a) seasonal allergies, and b) seasonal flu is high. Soooooo...
1. seasonal allergies/flu kick in,
2. tons of people have symptoms that require a test,
3. test demand soars,
4. test results turnaround times go back up,
5. teachers are out the full 10 days as a result,
6. No subs (for the reasons mentioned above).
All of this points to remote learning by the end of Q1 of the school year, simply for lack of warm bodies to post at the front of the room. [NOTE: none of the criteria above even touch on the likelihood of an ACTUAL Covid-19 infection event].
Otis
Footballguy
That’s fine but they do now. we don’t have great big walls between the states. It’s all or nothing.
culdeus
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
Its like motorcycle riders. There are two types of motorcycle riders, those that have crashed, and those that will.
culdeus
Footballguy
But I mean wouldn't the sane thing to do be to open up districts below some caseload level ?
JaxBill
Footballguy
We'd also have no nursing home patientsHe stopped the virus in New York State. Turns out we have a pretty big city here. Idiot or not, that’s impressive compared to what’s happening in other places.
If every governor in the country did what Cuomo did a couple months ago, we’d have no virus.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Texas has and is. Our Lt Gov said old people should just go ahead and die. I'm guessing he didn't mean himself. At least the Gov seems to get it now (mostly).
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
They also have no people. If your county (Loving) has 134 people and no incorporated towns, of course no one is sick. It's social distancing at its finest.
Marmalade
Footballguy
Largest School Enrollment in Oklahoma Broken Arrow High School roughly 4k kids 10th, 11th, and 12th has been delayed another 2 weeks to the first of September.
The next two largest schools (Union/Jenks) have decided to do the first 9 weeks online/virtual. Union Public Schools Superintendent Kirt Hartzler will recommend starting the upcoming year through distance learning Monday evening.
People are losing their minds on facebook. Seems that the parents want their kids out of the house ASAP!
Oklahoma colleges have started allowing kids back on campus. This is so weird.
The next two largest schools (Union/Jenks) have decided to do the first 9 weeks online/virtual. Union Public Schools Superintendent Kirt Hartzler will recommend starting the upcoming year through distance learning Monday evening.
People are losing their minds on facebook. Seems that the parents want their kids out of the house ASAP!
Oklahoma colleges have started allowing kids back on campus. This is so weird.
Otis
Footballguy
For those of us with lots of little ones, who we’ve been stuck at home with since March, yes I can confirm nearly every parent wouldn’t mind getting their kids out of the house ASAP.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I want them out of the house, but not for myself; for their development. I'll sacrifice my own time and sanity if it were a good thing for them, but this isn't.
