Creation vs. Evolution (1 Viewer)

[the rover]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

Another unbiased opinion...

ITS A FOSSIL!!its a picture of a fossil... you can't be biased about a fossil, you just state what is there...what is the issue you have with it?

ok. it's a fossil. but the same guy that's saying that that fossil is proof of the flood is arguing that fish don't fossilize, so the fossil of that fish is proof of the flood--but if fish don't fossilize, that fossil can't be proof of the flood. unless you're going to buy the argument that the flood suddenly trapped the fish--but how would that work? why would a fish be trapped by a flood? don't the fish live and thrive under the water? why would a fish care how much rain fell on the surface of the water?

 

[The Football Freak]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

Another unbiased opinion...

ITS A FOSSIL!!its a picture of a fossil... you can't be biased about a fossil, you just state what is there...what is the issue you have with it?

If you follow the links back to the main page then you come up with gems like this... "15 years work with secret codes tells me God exists for sure, and made the genetic code for sure!"

 

[larry_boy_44]

You realize they pretty much "made' chihuahuas in a lab, right?

That is just pure gold sig material there!

larry, can we go back to this? what labs created chihuahas?

they were bred out of other kinds of dogs, they didn't occur naturally...or I could be wrong and it was a different breed... I coulda swore it was chihuahuas... eh...think of it this way: When did breeds of dogs we have now originate, are all of them ancient? I doubt it...

 

[larry_boy_44]

Only humans have souls, right? My dog can't go to heaven.So, why spend so much time and effort to build an ark to save all of the species of animals? Why not just tell Noah to build a canoe?

because without the animals, stuff would get messed up... plants would overgrow, etc...

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry let's concentrate, for a moment, on collection problems.  A simple experiment might be enlightening.Start out in the Middle East.  Travel to what is now California. Climb the mountains and capture one male and one female condor. Bring them back. Do you think you could do it? You have one week (we're ignoring the other millions of species for simplicity). Oh, and by the way, there is no sexual dimorphism in condors (you can't tell their gender by looking at them).  Another possible problem is they tend not to sit and wait for capture but instead fly away.

before the flood a few things were true:1. tropical climate WORLDWIDE, there was no polar climates or any of that...2. all animals ate plants, no meat-eating until after the flood3. no animals were "afraid" of humans until after the floodso all the animals were probably in one area, so it probably wasn't even that difficult...

No polar climates? So the flood shifted the magnetic poles and in doing so changed how we rotate on our axis as we rotate around the sun? Amazing that rain could do all that...

no, the canopy of water above the earth made the whole earth like a greenhouse...this made the whole earth tropical... which in turn made polar animals non-existant until after the flood...

 

[larry_boy_44]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

Another unbiased opinion...

ITS A FOSSIL!!its a picture of a fossil... you can't be biased about a fossil, you just state what is there...what is the issue you have with it?

ok. it's a fossil. but the same guy that's saying that that fossil is proof of the flood is arguing that fish don't fossilize, so the fossil of that fish is proof of the flood--but if fish don't fossilize, that fossil can't be proof of the flood. unless you're going to buy the argument that the flood suddenly trapped the fish--but how would that work? why would a fish be trapped by a flood? don't the fish live and thrive under the water? why would a fish care how much rain fell on the surface of the water?

no, I'm saying without a catastrophic event that fossilized EVERYTHING INSTANTLY, how did anything become fossilized?How did things become fossilized? How do they become fossilized?If the flood happened and fossilized everything during it, it is possible for the fish to be fossilized, it ate the fish as the flood started and didn't finish it when it got fossilized...How did oil get here? Animals decompose, they don't turn into oil, so how'd the oil get there??

 

[larry_boy_44]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

Another unbiased opinion...

ITS A FOSSIL!!its a picture of a fossil... you can't be biased about a fossil, you just state what is there...what is the issue you have with it?

If you follow the links back to the main page then you come up with gems like this... "15 years work with secret codes tells me God exists for sure, and made the genetic code for sure!"

great job simplifying what they said to make it look stupid...that's almost as bad as teacher's manuals instrucing 1st grade teachers to tell students that people who believe in creation are dumb and don't believe in science... *shakes head*

 

[the rover]

You realize they pretty much "made' chihuahuas in a lab, right?

That is just pure gold sig material there!

larry, can we go back to this? what labs created chihuahas?

they were bred out of other kinds of dogs, they didn't occur naturally...or I could be wrong and it was a different breed... I coulda swore it was chihuahuas... eh...think of it this way: When did breeds of dogs we have now originate, are all of them ancient? I doubt it...

ok. I seem to remember you were pretty happy with people carving things into stone as proof of events in human history. the toltec and aztec indians did stone carvings of chihuahas. they bred them. in fact, the Aztecs most likely ate them. I have no idea what this has to do with your theories, but chihuahas have been around for about as long as there were civilizations in central america.

 

[larry_boy_44]

You realize they pretty much "made' chihuahuas in a lab, right?

That is just pure gold sig material there!

larry, can we go back to this? what labs created chihuahas?

they were bred out of other kinds of dogs, they didn't occur naturally...or I could be wrong and it was a different breed... I coulda swore it was chihuahuas... eh...think of it this way: When did breeds of dogs we have now originate, are all of them ancient? I doubt it...

ok. I seem to remember you were pretty happy with people carving things into stone as proof of events in human history. the toltec and aztec indians did stone carvings of chihuahas. they bred them. in fact, the Aztecs most likely ate them. I have no idea what this has to do with your theories, but chihuahas have been around for about as long as there were civilizations in central america.

yeah, I saw that when I looked it up...I remember some kind of dog being bred in the 1800s.... I don't remember which, I thought it was chihuahuas, though... but I was wrong... eh...

 

[Jericho]

Larry, here's a visual representation of plate tectonics. This is a side view. I'll use 'A' for land that would become the Americas, and 'E' for land that would be Eurasia.

~~~~AAAAAEEEEEEEEEE~~~~         ^^

You have one giant landmass with water on either side. The key is the '^^'. Those are volcanoes. As they erupt, they shove the plates apart. You can re-create this at home by putting two things that float beside each other ina sink full of water. Now put a straw under the water and blow, underneath where they meet. They two things will drift apart. So, it starts to look like this:

~~~~AAAAA~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~          ^^

Water has rushed in to fill in the gap between continents. That little pool is the very tiny start of what will eventually be the Atlantic Ocean. It's not very big now, but let's let those volcanoes keep going for a while...

~~~~AAAAA~~~~~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~            ^^

Well, looky there.

 

[the rover]

ooh, fun.now let's look at the question that started this:

The textbooks say: "We know the earth has been constantly changing since its start 4.6 billion years ago". How? How is this known?

see the part where the volcanoes are? don't think about those as big mountains, like mount st. helens, but as undersea volcanoes, or even just cracks. now as they allow new material to fill in the gaps as the plates move apart, new rocks get deposited and form the ocean floor. if every once in a while there was a measurable event that changed the nature of the ocean floor that was being created, it would result in bands, that you could observe and measure. if you knew the duration of the measureable event, you could compare it to the bands that you find, and figure out a rate of movement.luckily, there is a measurable event--the rocks created by the volcanic activity retained their magnetism, and the polarity of the magnetism at the time of their formation. this creates bands in the sea floor at plate boundaries that show a striping of alternately polarized magnetic bands. we don't even need to know the duration of time between shifts of the magnetic poles, because the mere fact of the striping establishes the movement recorded on the ocean floor.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

larry, can we go back to this?  what labs created chihuahas?

they were bred out of other kinds of dogs, they didn't occur naturally...

You're thinking of penguins, not chihuahuas.Joey: I am so freakin' bored with this summer vacation.

Joseph: Yeah, we should do something, for these are the greatest years of our lives. Hey, I know! Let's go to the zoo and watch the monkeys do it!

All: Yeah!

Anthony: I wanna see a big hairy monkey do it!

. . .

Joseph: Hey. I just had a particular thought. What if we go all the way to the zoo, and the monkeys ain't in the mood?

Joey: What, for doin' it?

Joseph: Yeah, for doing it, the monkeys.

Joey: That's okay. We'll just watch the penguins do it.

Tony: Ahh...that's disgusting. You're like a perverted individual!

Joseph: What? Why is that disgusting, and watching the monkeys doin' it ain't?

Tony: Because monkeys is natural with humans, penguins, they ain't natural like that.

Joey: What are you talking about? Penguins is natural.

Anthony: Penguins ain't natural, they was chemically man-made like The Incredible Hulk.

Joseph: Anthony, how do you know this about the penguins?

Anthony: It's in the Bible.

Joseph & Joey: It ain't in the Bible!

Anthony: It's in the Bible wit' Noah! Noah didn't take no penguins wit' 'em on the ark, so therefore penguins ain't natural. Read your Bible. There's no mention of penguins whatsoever.

-- The State, Episode 301

 

[LHUCKS]

Larry, here's a visual representation of plate tectonics. This is a side view. I'll use 'A' for land that would become the Americas, and 'E' for land that would be Eurasia.

~~~~AAAAAEEEEEEEEEE~~~~         ^^

You have one giant landmass with water on either side. The key is the '^^'. Those are volcanoes. As they erupt, they shove the plates apart. You can re-create this at home by putting two things that float beside each other ina sink full of water. Now put a straw under the water and blow, underneath where they meet. They two things will drift apart. So, it starts to look like this:

~~~~AAAAA~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~          ^^

Water has rushed in to fill in the gap between continents. That little pool is the very tiny start of what will eventually be the Atlantic Ocean. It's not very big now, but let's let those volcanoes keep going for a while...

~~~~AAAAA~~~~~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~            ^^

Well, looky there.

That post gets an A for creativity.Jericho's stock is on the rise.

 

[Jericho]

Jericho's stock is on the rise.

That would be a nice compliment if I wasn't older than dirt.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's not very big now, but let's let those volcanoes keep going for a while...

~~~~AAAAA~~~~~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~            ^^

Well, looky there.

Did the volcanoes wipe out all the amoebae on both continents, or am I just not looking for them hard enough?

 

[Jericho]

It's not very big now, but let's let those volcanoes keep going for a while...

~~~~AAAAA~~~~~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~            ^^

Well, looky there.

Did the volcanoes wipe out all the amoebae on both continents, or am I just not looking for them hard enough?

Damn it! Another opportunity wasted. I blame many factors, none of which are me.To amend this transgression, here are some cave paintings for Larry:

_____/~~~/|| ||          ..  .  ... /\ . . /\.  . ./\ ...  /\  . . ..

Fire breathing dinosaur invades amoeba village.

   \______________/     \............/~~~~~\........../~~~~~~       \......../        --------

Amoeba's Ark.

 

[snorlax]

They know it in Connecticut (IQ 113,) but not in -- what state did you say you're from, Larry?http://www.commonalty.com/iq.txt

Wisconsin, and I have a really, really high IQ, actually... like way above "genius" level...

This is my shtick, and you don't play it very well.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

ive stood by a time or two...to his credit though, he stays on message

He did? What was his message? It disappeared in a puff of logic.per the literary reference, Larry would get MUCH further learning evolution by reading the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. There's nothing in that book which is untrue.

He is struggling in a world where his faith is unaccepted. A message board, for some, is a difficult forum to negotiate. Much less have a debate with the depth and breadth of the topic at hand. He certainly tries though. My hope is that it does cause him and those who participate to renew their faith daily.

Especially if you are 20 y.o. and work at Best Buy while going to school as a computer science major.

 

[NCCommish]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

Another unbiased opinion...

ITS A FOSSIL!!its a picture of a fossil... you can't be biased about a fossil, you just state what is there...what is the issue you have with it?

Fossils in lake sediments are often very well preserved because in many lakes the floor is very low in oxygen, and organisms do not oxidise as they decay. Thats what leads to your fish eating a fish example.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

To amend this transgression, here are some cave paintings for Larry:

 _____/~~~/|| ||          ..  .  ... /\ . . /\.  . ./\ ...  /\  . . ..

Fire breathing dinosaur invades amoeba village.

   \______________/     \............/~~~~~\........../~~~~~~       \......../        --------

Amoeba's Ark.

:rotflmao: Transgression officially amended.

 

[No. 16]

They know it in Connecticut (IQ 113,) but not in -- what state did you say you're from, Larry?http://www.commonalty.com/iq.txt

Wisconsin, and I have a really, really high IQ, actually... like way above "genius" level...

Obvious fishing trip.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

Somebody posted the link earlier in the thread...here.

Under the Linnaean system, a taxonomist who wishes to name a group of organisms must also assign that group a rank, such as genus or family. But there are not enough of these to cope with the increasingly complex branching of the evolutionary tree now being discovered.

This doesn't help Larry's cause at all.

I think he just read the title that the biologists were considering renaming everything, so in his mind this was an admitance that they were wrong all along about evolution. I think that was the logic he was working under. Very fla\/\/ed, but an attempt.

 

[Possum]

yes! larryboy's thread has survived the night.I'm looking forward to another afternoon of lazy perusal, punctuated by bouts of hysterical laughter.

 

[Possum]

They know it in Connecticut (IQ 113,) but not in -- what state did you say you're from, Larry?http://www.commonalty.com/iq.txt

Wisconsin, and I have a really, really high IQ, actually... like way above "genius" level...

Obvious fishing trip.

I gotta agree with you there. But come on Shick!, this is good stuff - let it live, por favor?

 

[tangfoot]

its a picture of a fossil... you can't be biased about a fossil, you just state what is there...what is the issue you have with it?

I have an issue with his conclusion, and the entire basis of his argument.

 

[tangfoot]

I think he just read the title that the biologists were considering renaming everything

Larry, read? No....Larry was TOLD about that article. Just like Larry was TOLD everything else he has argued in his thread.Luckily, the lecturer had some handy "web sights" to show Larry to backup his claims.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

They know it in Connecticut (IQ 113,) but not in -- what state did you say you're from, Larry?http://www.commonalty.com/iq.txt

Wisconsin, and I have a really, really high IQ, actually... like way above "genius" level...

Obvious fishing trip.

Larry is too naive and sincere to understand fishing trips. He is being serious IMO.

 

[Noodlefish]

Wow...13 pages of enlightening debate. I feel better already.There was an interesting program last night (The Atheist Diaries) on BBC4. Jonathan Miller and Richard Dawkins were discussing RD's beliefs. Good stuff... but nowhere near as entertaining as this lot... :goodeffort::keepupthegoodwork:

 

[tangfoot]

Larry, I am putting in these quotes not as an affront to you or your beliefs.Simply put, Isaac Asimov is FAR more eloquent than I am, and he has spent a great deal of his life researching and studying the Bible and science.Do yourself a favor and find 3 books: The Thinking Man's Guide to Science, Isaac Asimov's Guide to the Bible, and Isaac Asimov's Guide to the New Testament.Especially with the two books about the Bible, Asimov takes a "religiously" scientific approach to what was written and places the stories historically and scientifically. It is a wonderful read, and certainly more informed than any annotated Bible I've ever come across.

Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.

Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centures since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly

One would suppose that the battle for religious liberty was won in the United States two hundred years ago. However, in the time since, and right now, powerful voices are always raised in favor of bigotry and thought control. It is useful, then, to have a compendium of the thoughts of great men and women of all faiths (and of none) on the subject, to convince us that we men and woman of freedom are not and never have been alone.

If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul.

Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.

To rebel against a powerful political, economic, religious, or social establishment is very dangerous and very few people do it, except, perhaps, as part of a mob. To rebel against the "scientific" establishment, however, is the easiest thing in the world, and anyone can do it and feel enormously brave, without risking as much as a hangnail. Thus, the vast majority, who believe in astrology and think that the planets have nothing better to do than form a code that will tell them whether tomorrow is a good day to close a business deal or not, become all the more excited and enthusiastic about the bilge when a group of astronomers denounces it.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Only humans have souls, right? My dog can't go to heaven.So, why spend so much time and effort to build an ark to save all of the species of animals? Why not just tell Noah to build a canoe?

because without the animals, stuff would get messed up... plants would overgrow, etc...

Sounds like an intelligent design.

 

[Jayrok]

Larry,Where are all the human fossils of all the people that died in the flood? We've found animals, dinos.. etc.. where are the wicked people?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry, here's a visual representation of plate tectonics. This is a side view. I'll use 'A' for land that would become the Americas, and 'E' for land that would be Eurasia.

~~~~AAAAAEEEEEEEEEE~~~~         ^^

You have one giant landmass with water on either side. The key is the '^^'. Those are volcanoes. As they erupt, they shove the plates apart. You can re-create this at home by putting two things that float beside each other ina sink full of water. Now put a straw under the water and blow, underneath where they meet. They two things will drift apart. So, it starts to look like this:

~~~~AAAAA~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~          ^^

Water has rushed in to fill in the gap between continents. That little pool is the very tiny start of what will eventually be the Atlantic Ocean. It's not very big now, but let's let those volcanoes keep going for a while...

~~~~AAAAA~~~~~~EEEEEEEEEE~~~~            ^^

Well, looky there.

the problem with that...On the other side there already were tectonic plates... and there were plates with the continents on them... over and under and all around....so were plates completely destroyed or something? Your example...~~~~AAAAAEEEEEEEEEEE~~~~isn't exactly right, 'cuz the ~~~ things connect, and that is exactly how many there are, they can't get bigger, we don't have a flat earth, we have a round one...does my question make sense?

 

[larry_boy_44]

also, another question...if fossilazation happens over a long period of time, how are there fossils of fish in mid-bite of another fish and things like that?

link?

http://home.att.net/~creationoutreach/pictures/fish.htm

Another unbiased opinion...

ITS A FOSSIL!!its a picture of a fossil... you can't be biased about a fossil, you just state what is there...what is the issue you have with it?

Fossils in lake sediments are often very well preserved because in many lakes the floor is very low in oxygen, and organisms do not oxidise as they decay. Thats what leads to your fish eating a fish example.

umm... how did the dead fish sink? Why didn't other, still living fish, eat the dead fishes?There are more problems with fossils than oxidization...although... how long does it take to fossilize?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Somebody posted the link earlier in the thread...here.

Under the Linnaean system, a taxonomist who wishes to name a group of organisms must also assign that group a rank, such as genus or family. But there are not enough of these to cope with the increasingly complex branching of the evolutionary tree now being discovered.

This doesn't help Larry's cause at all.

I think he just read the title that the biologists were considering renaming everything, so in his mind this was an admitance that they were wrong all along about evolution. I think that was the logic he was working under. Very fla\/\/ed, but an attempt.

dude, that post about renaming species and the Ark, it was only talking about HOW THE ARK IS POSSIBLE!!that's it...

dang... you guys are horrible...

You ignore 90% of the arguments and pick up on one topic that has, honestly, not all that much to do with the topic and BEAT IT TO DEATH!!

Drop the ark stuff, it doesn't prove evolution didn't happen, only that the ark could have...

 

[tangfoot]

it doesn't prove evolution didn't happen, only that the ark could have...

No it doesn't and no it doesn't.You've given no _credible_ evidence that the ark is possible.

 

[tangfoot]

umm... how did the dead fish sink? Why didn't other, still living fish, eat the dead fishes?There are more problems with fossils than oxidization...although... how long does it take to fossilize?

Who said anything about sinking?It's completely possible that the fish was trapped by a mudslide. If 1,000 tons of mud slide off a cliff into the water, the water (less dense) gets displaced.Have you ever seen the videos of lava falling into the ocean in Hawaii? Anything under that lava is trapped. The lava begins cooling as soon as it hits the water, so it is very common for objects to be trapped in an oxygen-free environment (surrounded by cooling rock).What's your argument again?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry,Where are all the human fossils of all the people that died in the flood? We've found animals, dinos.. etc.. where are the wicked people?

you know all those 12 foot tall people they find? Those... they're them...all those human fossils they find everywhere, they are all of the people pre-flood...most of the pieces of humans that they make "cavemen" out of (you know, like they find a thigh bone and out of that make a half-ape man that is really hairy and say it is an evolutionary link, BUT THEY ONLY HAD A THIGH BONE!!! How is that possible? They found a thigh bone and constructed the missing link from it? How'd they know about the other bones? (they didn't) how'd they know how the skin/hair looked? (they didn't)so we saw thier bias and what they were trying to find? Well, yeah, that is what we see...

 

[larry_boy_44]

it doesn't prove evolution didn't happen, only that the ark could have...

No it doesn't and no it doesn't.You've given no _credible_ evidence that the ark is possible.

why not? Because modern science doesn't seperate things the same way the Bible did? The Bible simply said "all things that CAN mate are the same kind"... ok... good enough...so, how many different types of things are there that can mate with eachother? With my 240 sheep/railroad car and sheep being the average animal's size...and the ark being the size of 800 railroad cars...So that means as long as there are only 192000 different "kinds" of animals, we're all good...and remember, WON'T is not CAN'T, they are totally different things...just 'cuz the mama polar bear won't touch the grizzly bear doesn't mean they can't mate, they just won't do it...

 

[ratpfink]

so were plates completely destroyed or something? Your example...~~~~AAAAAEEEEEEEEEEE~~~~isn't exactly right, 'cuz the ~~~ things connect, and that is exactly how many there are, they can't get bigger, we don't have a flat earth, we have a round one...

Think of it like a Rubik's Sphere, larry.

 

[larry_boy_44]

umm... how did the dead fish sink? Why didn't other, still living fish, eat the dead fishes?There are more problems with fossils than oxidization...although... how long does it take to fossilize?

Who said anything about sinking?It's completely possible that the fish was trapped by a mudslide. If 1,000 tons of mud slide off a cliff into the water, the water (less dense) gets displaced.Have you ever seen the videos of lava falling into the ocean in Hawaii? Anything under that lava is trapped. The lava begins cooling as soon as it hits the water, so it is very common for objects to be trapped in an oxygen-free environment (surrounded by cooling rock).What's your argument again?

how often exactly does this happen?I mean, seriously, are all fossils made this way? How are other fossils made? How are fossils that aren't anywehre near valcanos or plates made?How was oil made? Because that is a lot of dead animals that got crushed all over the world to make oil/gas/etc... how exactly did that happen?

 

[larry_boy_44]

so were plates completely destroyed or something? Your example...~~~~AAAAAEEEEEEEEEEE~~~~isn't exactly right, 'cuz the ~~~ things connect, and that is exactly how many there are, they can't get bigger, we don't have a flat earth, we have a round one...

Think of it like a Rubik's Sphere, larry.

so the whole earth stating rotating the plates? Really?Dude, that doesn't explain how this happened:abcdefghitoabcedfghihow did they SWITCH PLACES??because that si what HAD TO HAPPEN for there to still be plates after the continental plates moved... so how did it happen?if you don't know, that's fine, I don't really care, but don't act like a Rubik's sphere proves the plates moved hundreds & hundreds of miles over & around another plate so the continents weren't together anymore...

 

[NCCommish]

Larry,Where are all the human fossils of all the people that died in the flood? We've found animals, dinos.. etc.. where are the wicked people?

you know all those 12 foot tall people they find? Those... they're them...all those human fossils they find everywhere, they are all of the people pre-flood...most of the pieces of humans that they make "cavemen" out of (you know, like they find a thigh bone and out of that make a half-ape man that is really hairy and say it is an evolutionary link, BUT THEY ONLY HAD A THIGH BONE!!! How is that possible? They found a thigh bone and constructed the missing link from it? How'd they know about the other bones? (they didn't) how'd they know how the skin/hair looked? (they didn't)so we saw thier bias and what they were trying to find? Well, yeah, that is what we see...

Could you please get a link to where they found the 12 foot skeletons? Any of them. Because when I review your 11 and a half foot tall skeleton story I find no attribution for who actually found it, I find no info on where it was found including in the book of the man who supposedly has it, and I find that one of the people involved in the find has already been tied to a science misadventure. So I'll need a link with some real facts that can be checked independently.

 

[tangfoot]

why not? Because modern science doesn't seperate things the same way the Bible did? The Bible simply said "all things that CAN mate are the same kind"... ok... good enough...so, how many different types of things are there that can mate with eachother? With my 240 sheep/railroad car and sheep being the average animal's size...and the ark being the size of 800 railroad cars...So that means as long as there are only 192000 different "kinds" of animals, we're all good...and remember, WON'T is not CAN'T, they are totally different things...just 'cuz the mama polar bear won't touch the grizzly bear doesn't mean they can't mate, they just won't do it...

Credible evidence would be ANY of the following:1) Demonstrated ability for anything that large to be built in that historical period.---The only things we've found on that scale from this period of history are made of stone. Stone doesn't float.2) Documented evidence that shows that 192,000 "kinds" of animals is sufficient.I've already debunked your "can't and won't" theory 3 pages ago. Go back and refute my statement.

 

[Jayrok]

so all the people in the flood were 12 feet tall?and basketball wasn't invented for thousands of years later.. Pity.

 

[tangfoot]

how often exactly does this happen?I mean, seriously, are all fossils made this way? How are other fossils made? How are fossils that aren't anywehre near valcanos or plates made?How was oil made? Because that is a lot of dead animals that got crushed all over the world to make oil/gas/etc... how exactly did that happen?

Does it matter _how often_? The fossil record is accepted to be less than 1% of species that existed at the time the animals were fossilized.For fossils to be made, a very specific set of circumstances must take place. Most animals died off and left no traces behind. How fossils are made.How oil was made

 

[Mr. Anonymous]

I gotta give some credit to Larry for all of his effort in the face of all this ridicule. He's got persistence.Now, that said, how somebody could believe in this house of cards when what "really happened" is so easily accessible and supportable to the GOD-GIVEN brains that we have is beyond me.If God wanted us to believe that everything we see is a gigantic trick or illusion, he should have stopped our evolution at the chimp stage.

 

[bshipper]

I am just waiting for the irrefutable evidence you seem to lean on concerning origin of life. Actually mayber origin of energy or matter first, then get to the life from nonlife part and I DO believe evolution from there.

I would be more curious to hear some detailed explanations of this, origin of life, planets, etc. I know there has been talk about a self-replicating molecule, but where did the first one come from? Likewise, I assume that occured on Earth, so let's continue to go back to the beginning. How did the first "thing", not necessarily life, appear?

 

[Gigantomachia]

I gotta give some credit to Larry for all of his effort in the face of all this ridicule. He's got persistence.Now, that said, how somebody could believe in this house of cards when what "really happened" is so easily accessible and supportable to the GOD-GIVEN brains that we have is beyond me.If God wanted us to believe that everything we see is a gigantic trick or illusion, he should have stopped our evolution at the chimp stage.

Uh, not that I agree with Larry, I think he has issues, but your logic does not follow. It takes human reason to believe the world is an illusion, monkey's never doubt the worlds reality, they just eat it.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

I am just waiting for the irrefutable evidence you seem to lean on concerning origin of life. Actually mayber origin of energy or matter first, then get to the life from nonlife part and I DO believe evolution from there.

I would be more curious to hear some detailed explanations of this, origin of life, planets, etc. I know there has been talk about a self-replicating molecule, but where did the first one come from? Likewise, I assume that occured on Earth, so let's continue to go back to the beginning. How did the first "thing", not necessarily life, appear?

Science does not have an answer to that (yet). But, neither does religion. Where did God come from? Reason tells us that there HAS to be a beginning and an end to everything. We can't quite wrap our minds around infinity. But, isn't at least one possibility that there is no beginning and no end? There is no first thing. And there will be no last thing. Things just are, always have been, always will be.Anybody got a headache yet?

 

[Jericho]

so were plates completely destroyed or something? Your example...~~~~AAAAAEEEEEEEEEEE~~~~isn't exactly right, 'cuz the ~~~ things connect, and that is exactly how many there are, they can't get bigger, we don't have a flat earth, we have a round one...

Think of it like a Rubik's Sphere, larry.

so the whole earth stating rotating the plates? Really?Dude, that doesn't explain how this happened:abcdefghitoabcedfghihow did they SWITCH PLACES??because that si what HAD TO HAPPEN for there to still be plates after the continental plates moved... so how did it happen?if you don't know, that's fine, I don't really care, but don't act like a Rubik's sphere proves the plates moved hundreds & hundreds of miles over & around another plate so the continents weren't together anymore...

Dude, that doesn't explain how what you say happened, because what you say didn't happen.You know that continental plates are made of rock, right? And you know that they float on magma, right? And you know that magma is just molten rock, right? So I've already given you the volcano thing. Magma comes up from the ocean floor and forms new rock. Simultaneously, two plates are colliding somewhere else as they are pushed out. When they collide, they have to go somewhere. One winds up getting pushed upwards. This creates mountains. The other gets pushed downwards. This causes it to sink into the magma and be broken down to replace the magma that is gushing up from the ocean floor somewhere else.Plates are not unchanging and drifting. They are constantly having material added to some of their edges and subtraced from other of their edges, and meanwhile all the landscapes on top appear to shift. Like a conveyor belt. Imagine a single continental plate as a conveyor belt. Now put a house on the conveyor belt. Turn it on. See how the house shifts, but the entire belt mechanism stays in one place? Neat, huh?By the way, this stuff was all covered in high school science class. Maybe you should have remembered to set your alarm clock.