Cris Carter and His Very Asinine Statement (1 Viewer)

[Leroy Hoard]

"The weight of some other mortal's prediction concerning where I ultimately end up is inconsequential."

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo]

If they are correct, then you need to hear it.

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[JamesTheScot]

ESPN has been tripping over itself getting the faith angle in EVERYTHING it does on Tebow.They had a piece on Sports Center last night where they interviewed the lead singer of The Fray. They led in with these facts...He is a Christian who was successful in his non-religious job.He became more 'Christian' in his job (I guess they made Christian music) and got criticized for it.He's from Denver.BTW - I am an Evangelical Christian. Tebow and I would be very much comfortable with being close brothers in Christ more than likely. And I think he is totally sincere. A guy like Kurt Warner was more private about his faith, but in the Evangelical world, we usually like to follow the Christian athletes. However, I have had several conversations with Christians who are not sports fans asking me if Tebow is going overboard a bit. There are actually critics of his super-transparent faith even among the brethren, so to speak.

I'm just not seeing how Warner was more private. He had Kurt Warner bible stories or some such in bookstores. He was very open about his beliefs and didn't shy away from it.I think Tebow's faith gets more attention than Warner because we got to know about Warner's faith after he had established himself as an impressive NFL QB. Even early on, it was pretty apparent that Warner had some skill. And his story fit the typical underdog story. But Tebow isn't your typical underdog. He had tremendous college success. And he already had a fan club rolling before he ever took his first snap in the NFL. But you also see the obvious flaws in his game when you watch. So you wonder how someone can do it so wrong yet still win. So his is a situation that is a bit unique, which drives the curiosity, which drives the news coverage, which drives perception and also creates more curiosity in people who otherwise wouldn't be paying much attention to football. And I'll come right out and say it. Some people are scratching their heads and wondering how he does it and wondering if there's a link between his success and his faith. And if he keeps winning, they'll keep wondering. Imagine the attention that story would get. "Does Tebow's win last Sunday prove that God exists?"And you have the part about it that most people (some reluctantly) concede that he's a good guy and admit he's the kind of person they'd like to see their son grow up to be or have their daughter marry. Which is my biggest fear. He's still human and he's bound to disappoint at some point in time. And I hope the crowds don't turn on him in anger when they were the ones who put him on the pedestal.Tebow's faith is a part of the story that it never was for Warner. But that doesn't mean Warner wasn't as open about his faith. It could be that we just weren't listening as closely or lacked the appetite for it that would drive news coverage as it does when Tebow is involved.

 

[JamesTheScot]

A Chris Cater is an IdiotB I am semi religious and have no problem with Tebow and his openess with religion.C I must be the only one who thinks Tebow pretty much sucks as a QB and dont have the patience to watch the whole game till he finally does something right while the defense plays their asses off the whole game to keep the team in the game only to see the blind squirrel find the nut and become the hero. Amen

That blind squirrel has found the nut in several games now. Not sure how often blind squirrels find nuts, but if a particular blind squirrel finds nuts on 6 of 7 outings, you have to start wondering if blindness is the determinative disability that everyone assumes it to be.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Faith is fine, but religion sucks. Tebow is a good football player. Doesn't need to get any more complicated than that, IMO

They aren't really any different. People are imperfect which means their practice of any particular faith/religion will be imperfect. Whether they practice it alone or corporately in large numbers, the failure to achieve perfection is there all the same.If we think churches are full of hypocrites, then we should feel right at home. The more we insist we aren't, the more we prove we are.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I am sure there are many people in the NFL that are just as spiritual as Tebow, but prefer to keep it to themselves.

Aaron Rodgers

If you're a Christian and you are keeping it to yourself, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

On ESPN First Take today, Cris Carter said what had to be one of the most asinine pieces of analysis I heard in a long while.

He said: "You can't embrace Tim Tebow without embracing his faith ... if you are supporting him and the way he is playing, you have to support his Christianity and his faith".

Wow!! WTF?!?!

Really? I can only like Tim Tebow because he is a Christian?!? No, I like Tim Tebow because he brings some excitement to football. As a matter of fact, I actually prefer people are more private with their spirituality and religious beliefs. I think religion has become too commercialized and politicized to begin with. We don't need it publicized anymore. I am sure there are many people in the NFL that are just as spiritual as Tebow, but prefer to keep it to themselves.

But to sit there and say if you like Tim Tebow you have to like his faith too -- what a crock of s#%t, to be blunt. Horrible take.

The video can be found here: http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/feature/index?page=firsttake

Look, Cris Carter is no wordsmith. I think he just got his words mixed up. I think he meant to say:"You can't ACCEPT Tim Tebow without ACCEPTING his EXPRESSION OF HIS faith ... if you are supporting him and the way he is playing, you have to support his RIGHT TO EXPRESS HIS Christianity and his faith".

In other words...you can't be "I like Tebow and the way he plays, but I wish he wasn't so Jesus-y." That's who he is, and it's part of how he plays (and does everything in his life). So if you accept part of Tebow, you have to accept the whole package. He's not a guy who keeps his faith separate from other parts of his life. It all flows together. Not that you have to literally support or accept his faith as your own; you just have to accept that that's the kind of guy he is. It's what makes him who he is and that's how he chooses to approach life.

I could be wrong, but it's easy to mix up a word or two and come out with a completely different meaning.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo]

I am sure there are many people in the NFL that are just as spiritual as Tebow, but prefer to keep it to themselves.

Aaron Rodgers

If you're a Christian and you are keeping it to yourself, you're doing it wrong.

Yes, I've always thought our society could be so much better with just a bit more more proselytizing, especially from professional athletes.

 

[TheAssassin]

Faith is fine, but religion sucks. Tebow is a good football player. Doesn't need to get any more complicated than that, IMO

They aren't really any different. People are imperfect which means their practice of any particular faith/religion will be imperfect. Whether they practice it alone or corporately in large numbers, the failure to achieve perfection is there all the same.If we think churches are full of hypocrites, then we should feel right at home. The more we insist we aren't, the more we prove we are.

Well said

 

[otb_lifer]

Carter played a few seasons in Philly with the "MINISTER" of defense himself, Reggie White ... was faith an issue then? Did he feel that supporting Reggie was akin to supporting his faith?

I asked in another thread, and it begs to be touched on again ... substitute "Jewish" or "Muslim" ... or even *gasp* "Gay" for "Christian" ... does the same polarization exist? does it get beaten to death ad nauseam?

 

[Da Guru]

Carter played a few seasons in Philly with the "MINISTER" of defense himself, Reggie White ... was faith an issue then? Did he feel that supporting Reggie was akin to supporting his faith? I asked in another thread, and it begs to be touched on again ... substitute "Jewish" or "Muslim" ... or even *gasp* "Gay" for "Christian" ... does the same polarization exist? does it get beaten to death ad nauseam?

Carter was coked up during his Philly daze, probably did not even know Reggie was a man of faith.

 

[barista]

I guess that means that Jesus really hates the Bears.

 

[mr roboto]

ESPN has been tripping over itself getting the faith angle in EVERYTHING it does on Tebow.

They had a piece on Sports Center last night where they interviewed the lead singer of The Fray. They led in with these facts...

He is a Christian who was successful in his non-religious job.

He became more 'Christian' in his job (I guess they made Christian music) and got criticized for it.

He's from Denver.



BTW - I am an Evangelical Christian. Tebow and I would be very much comfortable with being close brothers in Christ more than likely. And I think he is totally sincere. A guy like Kurt Warner was more private about his faith, but in the Evangelical world, we usually like to follow the Christian athletes. However, I have had several conversations with Christians who are not sports fans asking me if Tebow is going overboard a bit. There are actually critics of his super-transparent faith even among the brethren, so to speak.

I'm just not seeing how Warner was more private. He had Kurt Warner bible stories or some such in bookstores. He was very open about his beliefs and didn't shy away from it.I think Tebow's faith gets more attention than Warner because we got to know about Warner's faith after he had established himself as an impressive NFL QB. Even early on, it was pretty apparent that Warner had some skill. And his story fit the typical underdog story.

But Tebow isn't your typical underdog. He had tremendous college success. And he already had a fan club rolling before he ever took his first snap in the NFL. But you also see the obvious flaws in his game when you watch. So you wonder how someone can do it so wrong yet still win. So his is a situation that is a bit unique, which drives the curiosity, which drives the news coverage, which drives perception and also creates more curiosity in people who otherwise wouldn't be paying much attention to football. And I'll come right out and say it. Some people are scratching their heads and wondering how he does it and wondering if there's a link between his success and his faith. And if he keeps winning, they'll keep wondering. Imagine the attention that story would get. "Does Tebow's win last Sunday prove that God exists?"

And you have the part about it that most people (some reluctantly) concede that he's a good guy and admit he's the kind of person they'd like to see their son grow up to be or have their daughter marry. Which is my biggest fear. He's still human and he's bound to disappoint at some point in time. And I hope the crowds don't turn on him in anger when they were the ones who put him on the pedestal.

Tebow's faith is a part of the story that it never was for Warner. But that doesn't mean Warner wasn't as open about his faith. It could be that we just weren't listening as closely or lacked the appetite for it that would drive news coverage as it does when Tebow is involved.

Warner thinks Tebow should tone it down.

For a while, Warner seized those live platforms, aware that networks often edited out his religious references in taped interviews. Then he learned some things along the way.

"There's almost a faith cliche, where (athletes) come out and say, 'I want to thank my Lord and savior,' " Warner said. "As soon as you say that, the guard goes up, the walls go up, and I came to realize you have to be more strategic.

"The greatest impact you can have on people is never what you say, but how you live. When you speak and represent the person of Jesus Christ in all actions of your life, people are drawn to that. You set the standard with your actions. The words can come after."

Tebow should listen up, because Warner already has lived this story. He's had coaches who felt religion was cutting into football time, telling Warner he spent too much time with the Bible. He saw how some fans were offended by the frequent shout-outs to Jesus, that Warner somehow was suggesting that God was a football fan, caring more about an NFL quarterback than, say, "a tsunami victim."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/11/26/20111126nfl-kurt-warner-tim-tebow-advice.html#ixzz1gjM9mrGa