Croyle Possible Starter in KC in 2007 (1 Viewer)

[Couch Potato]

This was sort of surprising to me. I think most assumed, myself included, that Croyle had another year on the bench and that either Huard or Green (if he returns) would start. That still may be the case, but the following article indicates Croyle is definitely in the hunt for the starting gig in 2007.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-t...o&type=lgns

No guarantees for Green

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports

March 5, 2007

Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Trent Green was told by team president Carl Peterson that he can come back to the team next season, but will have to compete for the starting job with second-year quarterback Brodie Croyle and will have to take a pay cut to return.

Hes thinking about the situation, agent Jim Steiner said Monday night. Green, 36, is due to make $7.5 million in base salary. A salary reduction is likely regardless of whether Green plays in Kansas City next season or not.

If Green allows the Chiefs to trade him or asks them to release him, a new team would likely also ask him to take a pay cut. The question is whether Green would have a chance to make up the lost salary in incentives.

Moreover, the bigger issue for Green regards his two-year future. The Chiefs are eager to have Croyle, a third-round pick last year, get more practice time and work in the exhibition season. The Chiefs believe Croyle is their quarterback of the future and feel they have a solid backup in veteran Damon Huard, who signed a three-year contract extension before the start of free agency.

Green, who missed eight games last season after suffering a concussion in the season opener, was told that Croyle would get a lot of practice time with the first team in the offseason and during training camp. With that writing on the wall, Green may feel compelled to go elsewhere, figuring that if the change to Croyle isnt made this year, it could come the following year.

Green could have a chance to go to another team this year and establish himself as a starter for the next two years. The Miami Dolphins are reportedly interested in Green. New Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron coached Green for two years with the Washington Redskins when both were getting started in the NFL.

The Dolphins, who released Joey Harrington on Monday, currently have Daunte Culpepper and Cleo Lemon at quarterback. Getting Green would obviously put Culpepper, who missed much of last season recovering from knee surgery, on the outs with the Dolphins.

Coming into the 2006 season, Green had averaged 23 touchdowns, 13 interceptions and more than 4,000 yards passing in the previous four seasons. However, he threw seven touchdowns and nine interceptions in eight games last season. The Chiefs offense also struggled in a playoff loss to the Indianapolis Colts and Green was part of the problem, botching a snap that cost the Chiefs a score early in the game and throwing the ball away early on several occasions.

 

[Ariakis]

Not a chance.

 

[Banger]

but at the end of the year didn't Herm name Green his starter for '07?

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think they'd LIKE Croyle to be the guy.

 

[softball]

Read the Tea Leaves. The Green Era in KC is done, he won't make it to traning camp IMO.

I believe Pat Kirwan on Sirius Satellite Radio stated last week that Huards contract has some escalators in it to bump up the value if Damon is the starter.

Croyle or Huard, get ready for even more of LJ.

 

[perry147]

I have been saying for awhile that the coaches like Croyle and he is the starter in KC in the near future. Well the future might just be next year.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I think they'd LIKE Croyle to be the guy.

We have a winner!My prediction is that Croyle is not the guy and Huard starts the next several seasons....and does well.

And yes, Green's days as a starter in KC are over. he can take about an 80% pay cut to stay as backup or we can trade him....but at age 37, he will not be starting anywhere else I imagine. I have said from the time KC bowed out of the playoffs that KC should just run with Huard and I think that is what will happen.

From what I have seen of Croyle, he looks like a decent backup Qb who is extremely fragile.

 

[T Man]

The job as Chiefs starting quarterback appears to be Brodie Croyle's to lose. Coach Herm Edwards stopped short in a media briefing on Tuesday of making that declaration. But Edwards did indicate Croyle would get much of the work when the Chiefs begin offseason practice in May and at training camp when it begins in July. “He’s going to get an opportunity,” Edwards said. “Maybe it doesn’t work out. But at least you’ll know. That’s not to say he’s going to be the starter. I don’t know who that guy is going to be at this point. But it needs to be open for competition, in my opinion, from what happened last year. It’s just the way we need to go. “I want to find out where he’s at. Until you give players the ability to go out there and do it, you never know. It’s just a matter of getting Brodie some reps where he’s in competition and … where you can see how he can perform.” The Chiefs last month re-signed veteran quarterback Damon Huard to prevent him from leaving as a free agent.Posted March 21, by Ben MallerDigg this | Add to del.icio.usDiscuss in the Forums | Link

I find it hard to believe that Croyle will be the starter; however, it appears that the Chiefs like him and will give him the opportunity. My thought is that Croyle must have bulked up last year, and they want to get him exposed to the system as much as possible (as a third stringer last year he got few reps after preseason). At the same time, they don't want Huard to throw too much.But why make it sound like Croyle may be the starter????

 

[TheFanatic]

I am not the first guy to look at stuff like this as motivational ploys, but what else is the coaching staff going to say? They are going to say that both have a shot. But the way I see it, Huard did well and has the inside track by a wide margin to starting in 2007 and holding onto that starting job beyond the 2007 season...60% completion rating, 11 TD's to 1 interception and a 98 QB rating in 2006. The 9 fumbles is a problem but as a passer the guy did pretty well....

 

[perry147]

Croyle is very underrated. I have followed his career while at Alabama (I live in Birmingham) and he is very much a solid player while playing on a weakened team while in college. Coaches always seem to like him and he has a great work ethic.

Maybe Croyle can be Herm's Pennington.

 

[prymetyme25]

Croyle is very underrated. I have followed his career while at Alabama (I live in Birmingham) and he is very much a solid player while playing on a weakened team while in college. Coaches always seem to like him and he has a great work ethic.

Maybe Croyle can be Herm's Pennington.

I've said this too. Herm seems too like going with young hand picked guys at qb with a solid vet(who could start) to back him.

 

[gump]

Croyle is very underrated. I have followed his career while at Alabama (I live in Birmingham) and he is very much a solid player while playing on a weakened team while in college. Coaches always seem to like him and he has a great work ethic.Maybe Croyle can be Herm's Pennington.

Agree...except that Brodie has twice the arm but half the accuracy. The potential is definitely there though.

 

[crimsonrebel]

Well since Pennington was top three in accuracy a few years back, thats not half bad. Hed still be more accurate than Vick. Now if Croyle did start, and Hall could learn to catch the ball...........

 

[Tick]

Seems like a Chris Simms or Charlie Frye setup to me - they aren't convinced he's their future, but think he's good enough to get a shot.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I didn't know starting QB jobs were handed out in newspapers in March.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Is it me or does Herm basically say every off-season that everyone has a chance to start in the upcoming season? Sheeesh...

 

[Couch Potato]

Brodie Croyle is going to be a quality starter in the NFL, whether that begins in 2007 or 2008.

People using his rookie year preseason as their basis for evaluating him are being simple minded.

In about three years I'd be saying I told you so, but nobody would remember or care what I'm saying now. So be ahead of the curve and get him now. He's available real cheap, and in some cases for free off the WW. You'll be glad you did, rather than waiting until he's more expensive.

Oh wait a minute... he wasn't a first round pick. What was I thinking?! I guess that disqualifies him from having a chance to be a very good NFL QB in the eyes of a lot of this board. Not Brady/Bulger/Hasselbeck/Romo/Delhomme/Kitna/Warner/T.Green owners though. Oh, one more, in light of today's Schaub news... Shcaub round 3, pick 90 2004. Croyle round 3, pick 85 2006.

 

[prymetyme25]

Brodie Croyle is going to be a quality starter in the NFL, whether that begins in 2007 or 2008.Anyone using his rookie year preseason as their basis for evaluating him are being simple minded. In about three years I'd be saying I told you so, but nobody would remember or care what I'm saying now. So be ahead of the curve and get him now. He's available real cheap, and in some cases for free off the WW in leagues. You'll be glad you did, rather than waiting until he's more expensive.Oh wait a minute... he wasn't a first round pick. What was I thinking?! I guess that disqualifies him from having a chance to be a very good NFL QB in the eyes of a lot of this board. Not Brady/Bulger/Hasselbeck/Romo/Delhomme/Kitna/Warner/T.Green owners though. Oh, one more, in light of today's Schaub news... Shaub round 3, pick 90. Croyle round 3, pick 85.

sshhhhhhhh......... I told people after watching him at the combine guy just had an aura about him. but keep that to yourself. CP

 

[Couch Potato]

Brodie Croyle is going to be a quality starter in the NFL, whether that begins in 2007 or 2008.Anyone using his rookie year preseason as their basis for evaluating him are being simple minded. In about three years I'd be saying I told you so, but nobody would remember or care what I'm saying now. So be ahead of the curve and get him now. He's available real cheap, and in some cases for free off the WW in leagues. You'll be glad you did, rather than waiting until he's more expensive.Oh wait a minute... he wasn't a first round pick. What was I thinking?! I guess that disqualifies him from having a chance to be a very good NFL QB in the eyes of a lot of this board. Not Brady/Bulger/Hasselbeck/Romo/Delhomme/Kitna/Warner/T.Green owners though. Oh, one more, in light of today's Schaub news... Shaub round 3, pick 90. Croyle round 3, pick 85.

sshhhhhhhh......... I told people after watching him at the combine guy just had an ora about him. but keep that to yourself. CP

*asking vewwy vewwy quietwy* What's an ora?Edit: Nevermind... aura.... I got it.

 

[Routilla]

I'd like to see KC cut Green(don't know if they can for CAP reasons) and put the $ into the OL/FB/blocking TE positions. Then draft a WR early and let Huard have some target besides Gonzo. Neither Huard nor Croyle will be able to move the team if there is no threat of a downfield receiver. Oh and that would allow LJ to crush defenses like he is more than capable of doing. Did I mention that I am an LJ owner?

 

[Couch Potato]

I'd like to see KC cut Green(don't know if they can for CAP reasons) and put the $ into the OL/FB/blocking TE positions. Then draft a WR early and let Huard have some target besides Gonzo. Neither Huard nor Croyle will be able to move the team if there is no threat of a downfield receiver. Oh and that would allow LJ to crush defenses like he is more than capable of doing. Did I mention that I am an LJ owner?

Sounds like you follow KC. I know this is an aside, but what do you think of Webb at WR?

 

[Couch Potato]

I was just looking at a link in another thread given by Dirtyhalos to the Red Dog dynasty draft held in February.

It's interesting where Croyle was taken among QBs. Granted, more info has come out since Feb. but behind guys like Walter and Garcia in dynasty?? I've been picking Croyle up since last year off the WW and now have him in four leagues at zero cost. This is a guy who, IMO, will be in the 16-18 range in 1-2 years. That's value.

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[Routilla]

I'd like to see KC cut Green(don't know if they can for CAP reasons) and put the $ into the OL/FB/blocking TE positions. Then draft a WR early and let Huard have some target besides Gonzo. Neither Huard nor Croyle will be able to move the team if there is no threat of a downfield receiver. Oh and that would allow LJ to crush defenses like he is more than capable of doing. Did I mention that I am an LJ owner?

Sounds like you follow KC. I know this is an aside, but what do you think of Webb at WR?

Webb, Hannon or Gardner would be the guys to look at IMO. I don't know squat about what Webb or Hannon can do. Gardner has shown glimpses but he's in a brand new system. I'd like to see another WR in the draft with this type of size(6'2" or taller). There seems to be a ton of smurfs available for roster spots but I like the bigger more physical WRs. Kennison is getting up there in age. I would think the KC training camps will be interesting for the WR position.

 

[Beaumont]

I'd like to see KC cut Green(don't know if they can for CAP reasons) and put the $ into the OL/FB/blocking TE positions. Then draft a WR early and let Huard have some target besides Gonzo. Neither Huard nor Croyle will be able to move the team if there is no threat of a downfield receiver. Oh and that would allow LJ to crush defenses like he is more than capable of doing. Did I mention that I am an LJ owner? :(

Sounds like you follow KC. I know this is an aside, but what do you think of Webb at WR?

Webb, Hannon or Gardner would be the guys to look at IMO. I don't know squat about what Webb or Hannon can do. Gardner has shown glimpses but he's in a brand new system. I'd like to see another WR in the draft with this type of size(6'2" or taller). There seems to be a ton of smurfs available for roster spots but I like the bigger more physical WRs. Kennison is getting up there in age. I would think the KC training camps will be interesting for the WR position.

Either Webb or Hannon is who to look at in KC. More likely Webb, but Hannon is free in even large leagues. They moved Hannon off the PS to the active roster at the end of the year to keep him from getting poached ...Kennison - Old

Parker - Mediocre

Hall - Not a WR, may be cut

Webb -

Hannon - (fastest player on the team IIRC)

Gardner -

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/626377.html

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

You know your WRs are bad when you are praying every night that some team takes RFA Samie Parker and we get a 4th in return. I would take a 7th just to get the guy off the team.

Me personally, I would cut 'em all outside of Kennison and started over @ WR. Hall and Parker stink, Gardner is on his 4th team I believe, and Webb and Hannon will never be All-Pros.

It is the KC pessimist in me, but that is how I see them.

 

[perry147]

Brodie Croyle is going to be a quality starter in the NFL, whether that begins in 2007 or 2008.Anyone using his rookie year preseason as their basis for evaluating him are being simple minded. In about three years I'd be saying I told you so, but nobody would remember or care what I'm saying now. So be ahead of the curve and get him now. He's available real cheap, and in some cases for free off the WW in leagues. You'll be glad you did, rather than waiting until he's more expensive.Oh wait a minute... he wasn't a first round pick. What was I thinking?! I guess that disqualifies him from having a chance to be a very good NFL QB in the eyes of a lot of this board. Not Brady/Bulger/Hasselbeck/Romo/Delhomme/Kitna/Warner/T.Green owners though. Oh, one more, in light of today's Schaub news... Shaub round 3, pick 90. Croyle round 3, pick 85.

sshhhhhhhh......... I told people after watching him at the combine guy just had an aura about him. but keep that to yourself. CP

I started getting him after the initial draft. Most anyone who watches him will tell you he has something special about him - he seems to carry himself differently than most young QBs.

 

[Benchwarmers]

How many times have we heard that a quarterback looks special. Then when the quarterback starts he sucks. No arm strength, cant read defenses, and so on. So I just buy into it. The Chiefs resigned Huard for the next 3 seasons and I believe Huard will be the starter this year for sure and probably in 2008 too. Huard at least has played well when he has seen action. Croyle might be the future but I dont think it will be anytime soon.

 

[prymetyme25]

Brodie Croyle is going to be a quality starter in the NFL, whether that begins in 2007 or 2008.Anyone using his rookie year preseason as their basis for evaluating him are being simple minded. In about three years I'd be saying I told you so, but nobody would remember or care what I'm saying now. So be ahead of the curve and get him now. He's available real cheap, and in some cases for free off the WW in leagues. You'll be glad you did, rather than waiting until he's more expensive.Oh wait a minute... he wasn't a first round pick. What was I thinking?! I guess that disqualifies him from having a chance to be a very good NFL QB in the eyes of a lot of this board. Not Brady/Bulger/Hasselbeck/Romo/Delhomme/Kitna/Warner/T.Green owners though. Oh, one more, in light of today's Schaub news... Shaub round 3, pick 90. Croyle round 3, pick 85.

sshhhhhhhh......... I told people after watching him at the combine guy just had an aura about him. but keep that to yourself. CP

I started getting him after the initial draft. Most anyone who watches him will tell you he has something special about him - he seems to carry himself differently than most young QBs.

Same thing i thought he has a presence like he belongs or he knew something that nobody else knew yet.

 

[gopowercat]

KC Radio is saying the deal is all but done (waiting on a contract deal with Green and Miami).

the dolphins will send a 7th round pick to the Chiefs.

 

[T Man]

KC Radio is saying the deal is all but done (waiting on a contract deal with Green and Miami).the dolphins will send a 7th round pick to the Chiefs.

Per Adam Schefter:

The Miami Dolphins and quarterback Trent Green have all but reached a contract agreement; there no longer is an issue about whether those two sides can strike a deal. The issue is between the Dolphins and the Chiefs. If those two teams can reach a trade agreement, Green will become a Dolphin. Otherwise, Miami could opt to try to sign David Carr, who will be released by the Houston Texans.

 

[perry147]

An article today on Croyle in the The Kansas City Star. It seems more and more as if he will be the starter.

Croyle raring to go

CHIEFS | Croyle raring to go

Quarterback is eager to show Edwards, Chiefs that their faith in his ability to become the starter is well-founded.

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

Occasional winter travels between Kansas City and his home in Alabama provided a convenient excuse for Brodie Croyle. He couldn’t always follow the often-dramatic developments regarding the Chiefs and their quarterbacks.

Word still filtered his way that the Chiefs plan to give Croyle every chance to win the starting position. That process started this week with the beginning of the offseason program.

“It makes you even more eager and more excited about what’s fixing to happen,” Croyle said. “They’re not guaranteeing me anything. They’ve just said they’re going to give me a shot. If I’m ready to go, I’m ready to go. My whole thought is that I’m going to be ready to go and have the best offseason and minicamp and training camp I can possibly have. I want to give them no reason to think anything but that I’m ready to go.”

Conditioning sessions started Monday. Quarterbacks had the first of their three-times-a-week classroom sessions with position coach **** Curl on Tuesday.

“We’ll talk about protections,” Curl said. “We’ll talk about routes. We’ll talk about defenses and how we’ll try to attack specific coverages. He’ll have to get up on the board after we look at some things. He’ll have to show us what he saw, this is what they did, this is how we’re going to protect it, this is where he should go with the ball in that situation.”

Eventually, Croyle and the other quarterbacks will move to the field to work on mechanics and techniques and do some throwing to receivers. Practice begins in May.

It’s the time of year for individual attention. At quarterback, most of it will be given to Croyle, the Chiefs’ third-round draft pick last year.

Coach Herm Edwards had Croyle on his radar before he joined the Chiefs. Edwards is friends with Mike Shula, Croyle’s college coach at Alabama. Shula provided Edwards with glowing reports on Croyle as his college career unfolded.

When Edwards got around to watching some video of Croyle, what he saw reminded him of Chad Pennington, his quarterback with the Jets. Croyle showed a cool head and the ability to make all the necessary throws.

Edwards would prefer that the 24-year-old Croyle win the job. That would, in theory, solve the Chiefs’ quarterback issues for the foreseeable future.

“This is his second time around, so he should be more knowledgeable about everything,” offensive coordinator Mike Solari said. “You usually see the biggest growth in the second year. He will start to see more things, comprehend more things. At first, everything is thrown at you and sometimes it’s overwhelming. Now, he’s not trying to just learn what to do. He can absorb everything, focus and really learn the details.

“This is a great time for him. It’s a perfect time to give him a chance to compete and show what he can do.”

The Chiefs were hopeful that the slightly built Croyle would return bigger than when he left, but he weighed in Monday at 207 pounds, about where he was when he left in January.

That’s despite his best efforts at meals.

“Ask anybody,” he said. “They think I’ve got a tapeworm, I eat so much.”

At issue is his ability to withstand the punishment of a 16-game season, if that becomes necessary. Croyle indicated he’d like to play at about 215.

“Trent went through the whole season at 212 last year,” he said. “I weighed 2 pounds less than Trent did today. Weight is not all that big an issue for me. It helps when you get banged around and all that. But most of it is how bad you want to get back up after you’ve been smoked. A lot of it has to do with how tough you are and how much you want to play the game. That can take you a lot further than just being 230 or 240 pounds.

“I’m not too concerned about it. Our strength coach isn’t too concerned about it. He’s been with Jake Plummer with Denver the last few years and (Plummer’s) been about 200.”

Ultimately, weight won’t be the make-or-break factor. The Chiefs would rather see his progress on the field.

“It’s one thing to be able to do in it the classroom,” Curl said. “It’s another thing when you’re playing in a game. You really need to get into a preseason game, where the bodies are coming at you full speed. In (offseason practices), you can make a mistake and it can be corrected. During the game, that mistake can get you beat.

“It’s going to be a work in progress. To say we’re going to be there at the first game, that would be great. But being realistic about it, it’s going to take longer than that.”

 

[trader jake]

Maybe Croyle can be Herm's Pennington.

I believe this statement is more accurate than you meant it to be because Croyle's health in college reminds me of Pennington with the Jets. So does the leadership abilities and lack of arm strength.Either way...Huard will be the Chiefs starter in 07'. Croyle will only see the field if/once the Chiefs fall out of playoff contention.

 

[perry147]

Maybe Croyle can be Herm's Pennington.

I believe this statement is more accurate than you meant it to be because Croyle's health in college reminds me of Pennington with the Jets. So does the leadership abilities and lack of arm strength.Either way...Huard will be the Chiefs starter in 07'. Croyle will only see the field if/once the Chiefs fall out of playoff contention.

I watched ESPN last night (please forgive me) and Mel (with a few others) were breaking who KC was going to draft - BUT they also talked about the QB positition and how Huard would be the starter and they might even keep Trent Green if they didn't get enough in trade value for him. It was also stated that the coaches liked Croyle but seeing how well Huard performed last year the coaching staff seemed intent upon stating him.I had no idea that KC had enough cap room to keep Green if they wanted. If Green stay this would undoubtedly greatly hurt BC's value.

 

[Couch Potato]

Maybe Croyle can be Herm's Pennington.

I believe this statement is more accurate than you meant it to be because Croyle's health in college reminds me of Pennington with the Jets. So does the leadership abilities and lack of arm strength.Either way...Huard will be the Chiefs starter in 07'. Croyle will only see the field if/once the Chiefs fall out of playoff contention.

I watched ESPN last night (please forgive me) and Mel (with a few others) were breaking who KC was going to draft - BUT they also talked about the QB positition and how Huard would be the starter and they might even keep Trent Green if they didn't get enough in trade value for him. It was also stated that the coaches liked Croyle but seeing how well Huard performed last year the coaching staff seemed intent upon stating him.I had no idea that KC had enough cap room to keep Green if they wanted. If Green stay this would undoubtedly greatly hurt BC's value.

I'm pretty sure the 'keep Green' talk is attempted leverage to get as much as they can for him, but a trade with the Dolphins will happen. I also think Huard will start the season, but that his 11-to-1 TD/Int ratio from last year was a major fluke and that he will underperform expectations, triggering a decision to look to the future and start playing Croyle at some point. If/when that happens will depend on their record, and looking at their schedule I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen at one of two points: (1) after the week 8 bye if they lose at OAK in week 7 and fall to 2-5 (@HOU, @CHI, MIN, @SD, JAX, CIN, @OAK, BYE), or (2) after the game at IND if they are 4-6 or worse with two upcoming home games to help Croyle be a little more comfortable (GB, DEN, @IND, OAK, SD, @DEN, TEN, @DET, @NYJ).

 

[Mr. Pink]

I'm a Bama fan that has watched Brodie live every season as a starter, not to mention the countless times on the telly.

From what I have observed, the guy has a cannon for an arm, but not even Tony Soprano could fit him with a better pair of cement shoes. No pocket presence whatsoever.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'm a Bama fan that has watched Brodie live every season as a starter, not to mention the countless times on the telly.From what I have observed, the guy has a cannon for an arm, but not even Tony Soprano could fit him with a better pair of cement shoes. No pocket presence whatsoever.

 

[perry147]

The latest news from the Chiefs.

Brodie Croyle is going to be the No. 1 or No. 2 quarterback

Agent says QB Green will not play for Chiefs

By Keven Lerner

Sun-Sentinel.com

Posted April 30 2007, 3:17 PM EDT

A day after Chiefs President/General Manager Carl Peterson said he won't release Trent Green, the quarterback's agent said his client has no intentions of playing in Kansas City.

"Trent's not going to be returning," Jim Steiner told The Kansas City Star. "They've said Brodie Croyle is going to be the No. 1 or No. 2 quarterback. They brought back Damon Huard. They've told Trent they want to get younger. So the Chiefs determined that, not Trent. That's not going to happen. It's grossly unfair of the Chiefs to keep Trent on their roster."

The Dolphins refused to trade their fourth-round pick to Kansas City for Green in this weekend's draft. Peterson then rejected the Dolphins' offer of a sixth-round selection, according to Steiner.

"We don't have any intention on releasing [Green] or letting him go for something that's not of value," Peterson told ESPN. "He's more valuable to us right now than probably anything that Miami or anybody else can do."

But barring a willingness to carry a projected reserve at a $7.2 million base salary in 2007, Green still ultimately appears headed to the Dolphins whether by trade or after being released.

Green has even worked out a restructured contract.

Without Green, the Dolphins will have three quarterbacks -- Cleo Lemon, Gibran Hamdan and second-round pick John Beck -- participating in this weekend's minicamp. Cameron said he didn't expect Daunte Culpepper to practice as he continues recovering from last November's knee surgery.

Staff writer Alex Marvez contributed to this report.

 

[Family Matters]

This article is typical offseason material we see from writers when change is imminent especially at the QB poisition. I wouldn't read too much into this. Why wouldn't coaches say he's going to compete for a starting job? It's their job to create a competitive environment so that players will try their best.

Croyle won't be the starter inless:

1. Huard is hurt.

2. KC is out of the hunt for the playoffs.

 

[Mapmaker]

Rumors abound about Green to Miami or now possibly an interest from the Falcons ... so someone has to step up for the Chiefs ... is Brody Croyle ready to the task ? .... from rtsports.com

Croyle figures he's ready to be No. 1

By DOUG TUCKER - AP Sports Writer

2007-06-03 17:26

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -The football came zipping out of Brodie Croyle's hand.

It soared 50 yards and came to rest with perfect precision in the arms of a wide receiver streaking toward the back of the end zone.

Brett Favre couldn't have thrown a more perfect pass. No wonder Trent Green is clamoring to be traded to Miami.

For at least this one play in practice, when the defense wasn't hitting for real, the third-round draft pick from Alabama looked as if he's ready to start in the NFL.

Does he feel like he is?

``I do,'' Croyle said Sunday.

``If you'd asked me the same question last year, I'd have probably said the same thing. But last year I wasn't. But through a whole year of learning and a whole offseason of continuing to get a little bigger, I feel like I'm ready to go.''

Whether he's ready or not will ultimately be Herm Edwards' decision. And there's no way the coach is going to show his hand.

``I have a while to do that,'' Edwards said Sunday, the final day of the Chiefs' mandatory three-day minicamp. ``The competition's been good. You don't rush it. It all takes care of itself.''

In the meantime, Croyle, Green and Damon Huard all continue to share the ball equally in practice. Green, the aging starter for most of the last six seasons, waits impatiently for the Chiefs to agree to a trade that will send him to the Dolphins.

He and Miami already have worked out a contract. He maintains Croyle is Kansas City's quarterback of the future and that any competition in the Chiefs' camp will be ``weighted'' to Croyle's advantage.

Plus, hardly anybody thinks the Chiefs will keep Green and his $7.2 million salary as a backup.

Croyle, a soft-spoken, second-year pro, is doing his best to sidestep all the controversy.

``We've all had the same amount of reps basically the whole time,'' he said. ``I'm going to get my shot, but at the same time I've still got to earn it.''

By no means does he view the job as his to lose.

``I view it as up in the air,'' he said. ``As long as I have the best day or the best camp or whatever, then I've got a shot at being a starter.''

Croyle made several eye-catching plays during a 90-minute workout in front of about 15,000 fans on Saturday, but also misfired a couple of times.

``I've still got a long way to go,'' he said. ``There were a lot of things Saturday I could have done better. I have a tendency to want to push the ball when I could easily have taken a checkdown. I've gotten better at that. But I've still got a long way to go. I still have the rest of (team practices) and training camp to get ready to go.''

Neither Croyle nor Huard, who started eight games last year while Green recuperated from a severe concussion, says the ongoing quarterback uncertainty is a problem.

``Not with us,'' Croyle said of Green. ``He's a pro. He comes in, he's the same Trent. My locker's right next to his. We still have the same conversations we've always had. So it hasn't translated over to us.''

But isn't it hard to get a rhythm going with everyone sharing equally in practice time?

``It is,'' Croyle said. ``It would be easier if you took 60 percent of the reps like if you were the starter. But you have to earn that right. You just have to make the most of the reps you get.''

As he visited with reporters on the edge of the practice field, it was obvious that Croyle had prepared carefully for all questions about Green and Miami sure to come his way.

``It doesn't do us any good to talk about it. Trent's situation is Trent's situation,'' he said. ``He doesn't bring it into the locker room. He comes out here and practices like he's a Kansas City Chief. Until otherwise, that's how he's going to do it. I have a lot to worry about myself.''

 

[jgb95]

I just traded Steve McNair for Croyle.

I also have Huard and Tom Brady.

 

[perry147]

I just traded Steve McNair for Croyle.

I also have Huard and Tom Brady.

Nice trade - Croyle will make a nice #2.

 

[BigRed]

Huard is starting. Cmon you have a guy who did great as the starter and a guy totally unproven. Granted Huard isn't the long-term answer, but who would you start?

 

[gump]

One major thing Brodie has going for him is his head. Smart kid, great leader, and VERY mature for his age.

If you ever saw the story of him giving his clothes to another kid who didn't have them, you'd know what I mean.

 

[Tick]

Huard is starting. Cmon you have a guy who did great as the starter and a guy totally unproven. Granted Huard isn't the long-term answer, but who would you start?

Good point. I'd definitely go with Volek or Collins over Young.

 

[perry147]

Huard is starting. Cmon you have a guy who did great as the starter and a guy totally unproven. Granted Huard isn't the long-term answer, but who would you start?

Good point. I'd definitely go with Volek or Collins over Young.

I think you start Croyle and if he plays badly (as in losing games for you) you replace him, but at tis time you have to find out if the kid can do it.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Oh wait a minute... he wasn't a first round pick. What was I thinking?! I guess that disqualifies him from having a chance to be a very good NFL QB in the eyes of a lot of this board. Not Brady/Bulger/Hasselbeck/Romo/Delhomme/Kitna/Warner/T.Green owners though. Oh, one more, in light of today's Schaub news... Shcaub round 3, pick 90 2004. Croyle round 3, pick 85 2006.

This is not an apples to apples comparison. All of the guys you listed were UDFA/last round picks (I think). Top NFL QBs are 99.9% of the time, 1 of 2 things. 1) Top 10 draft pick. Everyone in the free world knows you have the talent.2) UDFA/last round pick. Everyone missed out on you multiple times.Middle of the draft QBs don't amount to much. There isn't a lot of middle ground for QBs. Even late 1st/early 2nd round QBs don't end up doing much in the league unless your name is Brett Favre. I can't give you an exact reason for it, but that's the way it is. UDFA QBs probably have a better shot at NFL stardom than a 3rd round guy.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Peyton Manning: #1 overall

Drew Brees: top of the 2nd

Marc Bulger: 6th round

Michael Vick: #1 overall

Carson Palmer: #1 overall

Jon Kitna: UDFA

Tom Brady: 6th round

Brett Favre: top of the 2nd

Phillip Rivers: #4 overall

Ben Roethlisberger: 11th overall

Eli Manning: #1 overall

Vince Young: #3 overall

Donovan McNabb: #2 overall

JP Losman: bottom of the 1st

Rex Grossman: bottom of the 1st

Chad Pennington: bottom of the 1st

Steve McNair: #3 overall

Alex Smith: #1 overall

Tony Romo: UDFA

David Carr: #1 overall

Jake Delhomme: UDFA

Matt Hasselbeck: 6th round

Charlie Frye: 3rd round

Matt Leinart: #10 overall

Brad Johnson: 9th round

Jake Plummer: top of the 2nd

Joey Harrington: #3 overall

There really seems to be very little place for mid round QBs in the NFL. Yeah you have your exception to the rule Brett Favre. Drew Brees looks like he is gonna pan out. But the non top 10 guys that have any semblance of a good career tend come out of nowhere and do it. They aren't consensus middling talents. They are already trying to replace Charlie Frye in Cleveland.

If you want to hitch your bandwagon to a sleeper QB, it probably should be with some unknown that everyone missed.

 

[PrestonV20]

Well it looks like Green just got traded so let the training camp battle between Croyle and Huard officially begin

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Well it looks like Green just got traded so let the training camp battle between Croyle and Huard officially begin

What, you mean no Casey Printers or Omar Jacobs lol

 

[lord_helmet]

"ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports barring a massive upset during training camp, Kansas City Chiefs QB Brodie Croyle will be the team's starting quarterback entering the 2007 season."

Herman Edwards gambling with his job ?