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That's all well and good, but what about salary considerations? This is a team with a lot of holes, especially on defense and WR after Steve Smith.JohnnyU said:
OK, first you say Williams is likely to fall off sooner rather than later because he's a speed guy.Myself (& several other posters) point out that he's not a "speed guy."I didn't say his wheels were about to come off, I said I think he's more likely to fall off before or at 30 than he is to last beyond it. I've never been much of a believer in stats in football, I use my eyes to evaluate players and situations and just use stats to make sure what I'm seeing isn't crazy, the game is subjective in nature so eye test evaluations mean a hell of a lot more than statistical ones. I don't think DeAng is a particularly special receiver, blocker, or inside runner - he's good, just nothing special. I think the numbers make him look like a great inside runner, but think the offensive line has more to do with that than anything else.You're not really making sense. The bolded above would be a very good description of Williams. He is a good inside runner (stats prove it, so you saying you don't think he is doesn't carry much weight), can break big plays, he's a good goal-line RB, he's a good receiver, and he's a good blocker. I think that would qualify as a "guy who does a little bit of everything."So RBs that fit the description you provided above (which DeAngleo certainly does) tend to have a longer shelf life. How does that indicate that Williams' wheels are soon to fall off?
When he's 29 going on 30 and probably declining if he is still with the Panthers I don't see them leaning heavy on him when they have a J Stew at a prime age for RB's, 25. It's certainly possible but I wouldn't make that bet.
Well by all accounts, he's better at all 3 of these things than Stewart, AND he runs behind the same offensive line as Stewart. So, if (according to you) Williams isn't special, and he's better in all those areas than Stewart, what does that say about him?
They addressed their holes at WR with rookies LaFell and Edwards. They both did well at minicamp, so hopefully they will work out.
This is a team that used two first round picks on RBs in a three-year span. They value the RB position higher than most teams, their blueprint is built around the running game on offense.The best hope for those that want to see Williams in another uniform next year is that Fox/Hurney are gone, because it is in their interest to at least franchise Williams next year, assuming that kind of option is still available under the new CBA.
Well, in the future I'll be sure to post all of my thoughts about a guy in my first post. If you're real curious you can search through my previous posts and you'll see that I value the eye much more than the stat sheet. Stats lie, especially in football. Maybe he is a better runner than I am giving him credit for, maybe Just Win Baby and I watched different games and saw different things from him, maybe I watched him play when he was nicked up and Just Win Baby did when he had a clean bill of health. Lots of maybe's and what if's in this game. Take the info you think is relevant and make your decision, clearly you and I don't use the same information.By the way, I think DeAng is a tremendous value for this season given where I've seen him going in drafts, I just don't feel confident about him in the future.
We can agree to disagree, but the line bolded above is a bit disingenuous, don't you think? You didn't "forget" to post some thoughts about Williams, you changed your reasoning as to why he was going to tail off sooner rather than later several times.For the record, I believe that "the eye" and stats are important, but that seeing a player is MUCH more important than just seeing his stats. That being said, you can't expect to have any credibility when you make statements like "Williams isn't that special a RB," and your final justification for that statement is "your eye." He has over 5 YPC in the NFL, AND he had a 1500 yard rushing season, with over 5 YPC, and 20 TDs! You can't do those things without being "special."
I'm actually more heavily invested in DeAng than J Stew.
No I didn't, I feel he's at risk to tail off for all of the reasons above, and still do.
I was coming here to post this. If the Tags are available then this makes the most sense from the Panther's POV- they will pay him ~ the same per year as he would get on the open market but essentially get a 1 year deal with a 1 year team option for a 28 year old RB. That is just about perfect (having 2 1 year options would probably be perfect). Worst case scenario is someone gives you 2 1st rounders for him.
While I do not agree with the poster you are referring to, I think the bolded is said way too much in the situation with Williams and Stewart.
Your reasons weren't accurate though and they kept changing. You kept backpeddling to make your point each time your point was refuted. All RBs fall off eventually and you may be right that Williams will hit that wall sooner rather than later (I don't agree but you could be right b/c who knows?) - but it's not because he is a "speed" back that will lose his speed, its not because he isn't a guy that can't consistently get 3-4 ypc, it isn't because he isn't a good inside runner, it isn't because he isn't a special talent.This may have some hyperbole involved but Jon Gruden said that he and his coaching staff considered Williams the most talented back in teh NFL while he was still with Tampa. When he was reminded that Adrian Peterson was in the league, he responded "I stand behind my original statement."
That may be true, but in some cases, the statement is appropriate. To believe that Stewart is a better back than Williams isn't, in and of itself, wrong. However, to say, according to the "eye test" that Williams "isn't a special back" reeks of bias. Stewart may end up, one day, being the superior NFL and FF RB to Williams. However, the ability to maintain over a 5.0 YPC, the ability to rush for over 1500 yards, and the ability to score 20 TDs in a single season, let along the ability to do all of these things in a single season indicate that Williams is, indeed, a "special back."
