Current 2008 Draft order..... (1 Viewer)

[jgb95]

December 4, 2007

(Ed. note: Selection order based on current record and combined W-L record of all opponents.)

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Team W-L Opponents' W-L %

1 Miami 0-12 .542

2 New England (from SF) 3-9 .484

3 New York Jets 3-9 .521

4 Atlanta 3-9 .521

5 St. Louis 3-9 .521

6 Cincinnati 4-8 .479

7 Oakland 4-8 .500

8 Kansas City 4-8 .500

9 Baltimore 4-8 .510

10 New Orleans 5-7 .479

11 Houston 5-7 .510

12 Denver 5-7 .531

13 Carolina 5-7 .536

14 Chicago 5-7 .552

15 Philadelphia 5-7 .568

16 Washington 5-7 .573

17 Arizona 6-6 .438

18 Buffalo 6-6 .500

19 Minnesota 6-6 .505

20 Detroit 6-6 .547

21 Dallas (from Cleveland) 7-5 .438

22 Tennessee 7-5 .490

23 San Diego 7-5 .516

24 Seattle 8-4 .411

25 Tampa Bay 8-4 .453

26 New York Giants 8-4 .500

27 Jacksonville 8-4 .521

28 Pittsburgh 9-3 .438

29 Green Bay 10-2 .474

30 San Francisco (from Indianapolis) 10-2 .505

31 Dallas 11-1 .479

32 New England (pick forfeited) 12-0 .458

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1 Miami - Glenn Dorsey

2 New England - Darren McFadden

3 New York Jets - Michael Jenkins or Vernon Gholston or one of the QBs, or Chris Long

4 Atlanta - Brian Brohm

5 St. Louis - Jake Long

 

[greenf7cat]

I think I may be the only one who thinks that NE will not take McFadden. If they end up with a top 4 pick (which would stand as of today), they will most likely trade the pick if you ask me. They could potentially take a big hit in the salary cap if they re-sign Moss, so they may not have the room to sign a top 5 pick... just my two cents

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think I may be the only one who thinks that NE will not take McFadden. If they end up with a top 4 pick (which would stand as of today), they will most likely trade the pick if you ask me. They could potentially take a big hit in the salary cap if they re-sign Moss, so they may not have the room to sign a top 5 pick... just my two cents

Of course they'd like to trade out of that pick. If the don't, I think they go BPA which is McFadden. Which also works out well because Maroney can't seem to stay healthy.

 

[BLOX]

There should be 30 owners beating the management of the 49ers at this year's owners' meetings!!!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There should be 30 owners beating the management of the 49ers at this year's owners' meetings!!!

I'd like a 49er fan to chime in on how well Staley's played.Vikes play them this weekend, so I'll get to see him first hand.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think I may be the only one who thinks that NE will not take McFadden. If they end up with a top 4 pick (which would stand as of today), they will most likely trade the pick if you ask me. They could potentially take a big hit in the salary cap if they re-sign Moss, so they may not have the room to sign a top 5 pick... just my two cents

I think there is a separate cap number for draft picks - and it is based on the NLF's slotting system, so teams with more/higher draft picks have more money.I am not sure how that fits into the overall cap though.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think I may be the only one who thinks that NE will not take McFadden. If they end up with a top 4 pick (which would stand as of today), they will most likely trade the pick if you ask me. They could potentially take a big hit in the salary cap if they re-sign Moss, so they may not have the room to sign a top 5 pick... just my two cents

I think there is a separate cap number for draft picks - and it is based on the NLF's slotting system, so teams with more/higher draft picks have more money.I am not sure how that fits into the overall cap though.

I've never heard of that. Are you sure? Anyone?

 

[Colin Dowling]

1 Miami - Glenn Dorsey

2 New England (from SF) - Chris Long

3 New York Jets - McFadden

4 Atlanta 3-9 .521 - Woodson

5 St. Louis 3-9 .521 - Jake Long

 

[David Yudkin]

The Pats will have trouble signing Samuel, Moss, and a Top 2-3 pick all at the same time, given that they still have to worry about Stallworth, Watson, and a big cap number for Colvin (if not others).

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think the Pats will trade down though to someone who wants McFadden badly enough to not give NYJ a chance at him.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think I may be the only one who thinks that NE will not take McFadden. If they end up with a top 4 pick (which would stand as of today), they will most likely trade the pick if you ask me. They could potentially take a big hit in the salary cap if they re-sign Moss, so they may not have the room to sign a top 5 pick... just my two cents

I think there is a separate cap number for draft picks - and it is based on the NLF's slotting system, so teams with more/higher draft picks have more money.I am not sure how that fits into the overall cap though.

I've never heard of that. Are you sure? Anyone?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2862869I found the answer - it is a cap within the cap. It represents the maximum amount a team can spend on draft picks, but it does not extend the overall cap.

 

[teamroc]

1 Miami - Glenn Dorsey

2 New England - Darren McFadden

3 New York Jets - Michael Jenkins or Vernon Gholston or one of the QBs, or Chris Long

4 Atlanta - Brian Brohm

5 St. Louis - Jake Long

There is no chance they take McFadden. Are they really going to give 55m to McFadden? They have the best offense in the NFL. They won two SBs with NO running backs. And after last night, did you see the Patriot LBs? I doubt Vrabel/Seau/Bruschi could run a 4.8. They have the WORST rz defense in the league. The defense is getting exposed. If the Pats aren't up big, forcing the other team to pass, they defense gets pushed around. Ravens? One of the worst offenses in the league, ran all over the Pats, who are one of the best teams ever?

They will resign Moss, cut Stallworth, and roll with Morris/Maroney. And I'm not even sure McFadden is the #2 player in the draft.

The Pats need speed on defense, badly. If Seau/Vrabel/Bruschi ALL retired next year, it wouldn't be a huge shock. Those guys wouldn't start for many teams in the league IMHO. They're in a great system, but the defensive talent is clearly lacking. As long as they resign Moss, the offense will be very good. The defense is a huge question mark for the Pats.

And again, no freaking way on earth they give 30-35mil guaranteed to McFadden. They will go BPA - defense with that pick. And I'd wager LB.

 

[David Yudkin]

1 Miami - Glenn Dorsey

2 New England - Darren McFadden

3 New York Jets - Michael Jenkins or Vernon Gholston or one of the QBs, or Chris Long

4 Atlanta - Brian Brohm

5 St. Louis - Jake Long

There is no chance they take McFadden. Are they really going to give 55m to McFadden? They have the best offense in the NFL. They won two SBs with NO running backs. And after last night, did you see the Patriot LBs? I doubt Vrabel/Seau/Bruschi could run a 4.8. They have the WORST rz defense in the league. The defense is getting exposed. If the Pats aren't up big, forcing the other team to pass, they defense gets pushed around. Ravens? One of the worst offenses in the league, ran all over the Pats, who are one of the best teams ever?

They will resign Moss, cut Stallworth, and roll with Morris/Maroney. And I'm not even sure McFadden is the #2 player in the draft.

The Pats need speed on defense, badly. If Seau/Vrabel/Bruschi ALL retired next year, it wouldn't be a huge shock. Those guys wouldn't start for many teams in the league IMHO. They're in a great system, but the defensive talent is clearly lacking. As long as they resign Moss, the offense will be very good. The defense is a huge question mark for the Pats.

And again, no freaking way on earth they give 30-35mil guaranteed to McFadden. They will go BPA - defense with that pick. And I'd wager LB.

Pats will not invest big in a rookie LB. No way, no how. They don't believe that they have to invest that early a pick for what other teams normally don't want--an undersized DE that they want to convert to LB.IMO, the Pats will take a DL if they keep their pick. Past this year, they will have to resign some of their existing DL, so this would get them another fresh face and leverage on the other guys too.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1 Miami - Glenn Dorsey

2 New England - Darren McFadden

3 New York Jets - Michael Jenkins or Vernon Gholston or one of the QBs, or Chris Long

4 Atlanta - Brian Brohm

5 St. Louis - Jake Long

There is no chance they take McFadden. Are they really going to give 55m to McFadden? They have the best offense in the NFL. They won two SBs with NO running backs. And after last night, did you see the Patriot LBs? I doubt Vrabel/Seau/Bruschi could run a 4.8. They have the WORST rz defense in the league. The defense is getting exposed. If the Pats aren't up big, forcing the other team to pass, they defense gets pushed around. Ravens? One of the worst offenses in the league, ran all over the Pats, who are one of the best teams ever?

They will resign Moss, cut Stallworth, and roll with Morris/Maroney. And I'm not even sure McFadden is the #2 player in the draft.

The Pats need speed on defense, badly. If Seau/Vrabel/Bruschi ALL retired next year, it wouldn't be a huge shock. Those guys wouldn't start for many teams in the league IMHO. They're in a great system, but the defensive talent is clearly lacking. As long as they resign Moss, the offense will be very good. The defense is a huge question mark for the Pats.

And again, no freaking way on earth they give 30-35mil guaranteed to McFadden. They will go BPA - defense with that pick. And I'd wager LB.

To say they won Super Bowls with no running backs is laughable. Corey Dillon was an integral part of them winning. If they don't find a running game, they're not going to win as the weather gets colder. I'm convinced that they're not going undefeated.

However, I agree that they could very well draft a defensive player. The one guy I think would fit their scheme perfectly is Vernon Gholston. The guy is a monster and would be really good in a 3-4 scheme.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Debating the Pats pick is like debating what the winning lottery numbers will be. They're the most mysterious team around when it comes to the draft

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

1 Miami - Glenn Dorsey

2 New England - Darren McFadden

3 New York Jets - Michael Jenkins or Vernon Gholston or one of the QBs, or Chris Long

4 Atlanta - Brian Brohm

5 St. Louis - Jake Long

That's exactly what I think they would do. Could you imagine what that would do to Maroney's value in FF? lol

 

[paulbertini]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

 

[teamroc]

1 Miami - Glenn Dorsey

2 New England - Darren McFadden

3 New York Jets - Michael Jenkins or Vernon Gholston or one of the QBs, or Chris Long

4 Atlanta - Brian Brohm

5 St. Louis - Jake Long

There is no chance they take McFadden. Are they really going to give 55m to McFadden? They have the best offense in the NFL. They won two SBs with NO running backs. And after last night, did you see the Patriot LBs? I doubt Vrabel/Seau/Bruschi could run a 4.8. They have the WORST rz defense in the league. The defense is getting exposed. If the Pats aren't up big, forcing the other team to pass, they defense gets pushed around. Ravens? One of the worst offenses in the league, ran all over the Pats, who are one of the best teams ever?

They will resign Moss, cut Stallworth, and roll with Morris/Maroney. And I'm not even sure McFadden is the #2 player in the draft.

The Pats need speed on defense, badly. If Seau/Vrabel/Bruschi ALL retired next year, it wouldn't be a huge shock. Those guys wouldn't start for many teams in the league IMHO. They're in a great system, but the defensive talent is clearly lacking. As long as they resign Moss, the offense will be very good. The defense is a huge question mark for the Pats.

And again, no freaking way on earth they give 30-35mil guaranteed to McFadden. They will go BPA - defense with that pick. And I'd wager LB.

To say they won Super Bowls with no running backs is laughable. Corey Dillon was an integral part of them winning. If they don't find a running game, they're not going to win as the weather gets colder. I'm convinced that they're not going undefeated.

However, I agree that they could very well draft a defensive player. The one guy I think would fit their scheme perfectly is Vernon Gholston. The guy is a monster and would be really good in a 3-4 scheme.

It's hardly laughable. Dillon won 1 SB.Antowain Smith? Really? Dillon was CHEAP, ala Randy Moss. They've never paid a ton of money for a RB. The first 2 SBs, the Pats has no running game.

 

[David Yudkin]

Debating the Pats pick is like debating what the winning lottery numbers will be. They're the most mysterious team around when it comes to the draft

Not really. They have not taken QB, LB, or WR in the first round. They like DL, OL, and TE in the first round. They are not adverse to taking DB either, but that one is more dependent on need. Seeing how they recently took Maroney early, it would be tough predicting them to take another RB in the first round.

 

[David Yudkin]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

 

[teamroc]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

When is the last time the Pats had a top 5 pick? They've never really been in a position to draft franchise type talent.I do agree they will try to trade down. They just don't want to give a 55 mil contract to a rookie, regardless of what position he plays.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Debating the Pats pick is like debating what the winning lottery numbers will be. They're the most mysterious team around when it comes to the draft

Not really. They have not taken QB, LB, or WR in the first round. They like DL, OL, and TE in the first round. They are not adverse to taking DB either, but that one is more dependent on need. Seeing how they recently took Maroney early, it would be tough predicting them to take another RB in the first round.

Just because they haven't taken a QB, LB, or WR in the 1st doesn't mean they won't. They like taking the best player available. I don't see any pattern at all over the last ten years. 2007 - Brandon Merriweather (s)

2006 - Maroney (rb)

2005 - Mankins (g)

2004 - Wilfork (de)

2003 - Warren (dt)

2002 - Graham (te)

2001 - Seymour (de)

2000 - Klemm (t)

1999 - Woody (cen)

1998 - Edwards (rb)

So because they historically take d-linemen, they should take another one? That makes no sense.

So what if they took Maroney early? He hasn't stayed healthy and looks tentative. McFadden would be an upgrade.

And while they haven't taken a WR in the 1st since Terry Glenn, they have taken several at the top of the 2nd.

Pats draft history.

 

[teamroc]

Debating the Pats pick is like debating what the winning lottery numbers will be. They're the most mysterious team around when it comes to the draft

Not really. They have not taken QB, LB, or WR in the first round. They like DL, OL, and TE in the first round. They are not adverse to taking DB either, but that one is more dependent on need. Seeing how they recently took Maroney early, it would be tough predicting them to take another RB in the first round.

Just because they haven't taken a QB, LB, or WR in the 1st doesn't mean they won't. They like taking the best player available. I don't see any pattern at all over the last ten years. 2007 - Brandon Merriweather (s)2006 - Maroney (rb)2005 - Mankins (g)2004 - Wilfork (de)2003 - Warren (dt)2002 - Graham (te)2001 - Seymour (de)2000 - Klemm (t)1999 - Woody (cen)1998 - Edwards (rb)So because they historically take d-linemen, they should take another one? That makes no sense.So what if they took Maroney early? He hasn't stayed healthy and looks tentative. McFadden would be an upgrade.

And having the 2nd/3rd overall pick changes everything. The talent you get, the cost of the player.Qb/RB would be the only positions I would rule out. If they didn't have to resign Moss/Stallworth/Watson and had lots of cap room, I could maybe see them taking McFadden if he grades out of this world. But after last night, that defense is a mess. I was shocked to learn they had the worst RZ defense in the league. You'd think the endzone would help the 3-4 defense, letting them crowd the line of scrimmage.

 

[David Yudkin]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

When is the last time the Pats had a top 5 pick? They've never really been in a position to draft franchise type talent.

They took Seymour at 6 and Ty Warren at 13.In the BB era, here's the players they have drafted in the Top 50 picks . . .24 - Brandon Meriweather DB 21 - Laurence Maroney RB36 - Chad Jackson WR 32 - Logan Mankins G 21 - Vince Wilfork DT32 - Ben Watson TE 13 - Ty Warren DT 36 - Eugene Wilson DB 21 - Dan Graham TE 6 - Richard Seymour DT48 - Matt Light T 46 - Adrian Klemm T

 

[William Munny]

I think the Pats will trade down though to someone who wants McFadden badly enough to not give NYJ a chance at him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Qb/RB would be the only positions I would rule out. If they didn't have to resign Moss/Stallworth/Watson and had lots of cap room, I could maybe see them taking McFadden if he grades out of this world. But after last night, that defense is a mess. I was shocked to learn they had the worst RZ defense in the league. You'd think the endzone would help the 3-4 defense, letting them crowd the line of scrimmage.

But you don't have to fix that with the 2nd overall pick. They don't need to take a d-lineman at that spot. That's not the problem. So which dback or linebacker is worth the #2 overall this year?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

When is the last time the Pats had a top 5 pick? They've never really been in a position to draft franchise type talent.

They took Seymour at 6 and Ty Warren at 13.In the BB era, here's the players they have drafted in the Top 50 picks . . .24 - Brandon Meriweather DB 21 - Laurence Maroney RB36 - Chad Jackson WR 32 - Logan Mankins G 21 - Vince Wilfork DT32 - Ben Watson TE 13 - Ty Warren DT 36 - Eugene Wilson DB 21 - Dan Graham TE 6 - Richard Seymour DT48 - Matt Light T 46 - Adrian Klemm T

Most of which have panned out. So should they take another player for an area that is not a need, or shore up another area?

 

[David Yudkin]

The other thing is that in recent drafts, the Pats have had so much roster depth that they struggled to roster their draft picks from last year. Simply trading down or acquiring a bunch of later round picks won't help them much.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The other thing is that in recent drafts, the Pats have had so much roster depth that they struggled to roster their draft picks from last year. Simply trading down or acquiring a bunch of later round picks won't help them much.

All the more reason to go BPA.

 

[teamroc]

Qb/RB would be the only positions I would rule out. If they didn't have to resign Moss/Stallworth/Watson and had lots of cap room, I could maybe see them taking McFadden if he grades out of this world. But after last night, that defense is a mess. I was shocked to learn they had the worst RZ defense in the league. You'd think the endzone would help the 3-4 defense, letting them crowd the line of scrimmage.

But you don't have to fix that with the 2nd overall pick. They don't need to take a d-lineman at that spot. That's not the problem. So which dback or linebacker is worth the #2 overall this year?

There is none atm. I don't really see any player they'd be happy giving 55m to. I see them taking almost anything to drop down, just to avoid the massive cap investment. But it's too early to tell. There's always lots of movement before, during and after the combine. We'll have to see what they do about Moss, Harrison, Seau, some of the older guys. Watson. What kind of cap room they have.

 

[JohnnyU]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

When is the last time the Pats had a top 5 pick? They've never really been in a position to draft franchise type talent.I do agree they will try to trade down. They just don't want to give a 55 mil contract to a rookie, regardless of what position he plays.

All the other owners should get together and black ball the patriots and not trade with them. Force them to keep whoever they draft early and have to pay him top dollar.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think I may be the only one who thinks that NE will not take McFadden. If they end up with a top 4 pick (which would stand as of today), they will most likely trade the pick if you ask me. They could potentially take a big hit in the salary cap if they re-sign Moss, so they may not have the room to sign a top 5 pick... just my two cents

I think there is a separate cap number for draft picks - and it is based on the NLF's slotting system, so teams with more/higher draft picks have more money.I am not sure how that fits into the overall cap though.

I've never heard of that. Are you sure? Anyone?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2862869I found the answer - it is a cap within the cap. It represents the maximum amount a team can spend on draft picks, but it does not extend the overall cap.

FWIW, the amount given to drafted players is way too much. It can be a detriment to teams that draft early if a player is a bust. They need to put more in the hands of proven players and less in unknowns. Guys in their first year making more than 90% of the players on their team is stupid

 

[David Yudkin]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

When is the last time the Pats had a top 5 pick? They've never really been in a position to draft franchise type talent.

They took Seymour at 6 and Ty Warren at 13.In the BB era, here's the players they have drafted in the Top 50 picks . . .24 - Brandon Meriweather DB 21 - Laurence Maroney RB36 - Chad Jackson WR 32 - Logan Mankins G 21 - Vince Wilfork DT32 - Ben Watson TE 13 - Ty Warren DT 36 - Eugene Wilson DB 21 - Dan Graham TE 6 - Richard Seymour DT48 - Matt Light T 46 - Adrian Klemm T

Most of which have panned out. So should they take another player for an area that is not a need, or shore up another area?

You have to understand how the Pats operate. They clearly value both lines to make the team go. They also like having a Plan B as leverage for their players that may want to test the free agency market. As I said, they would much prefer getting experienced LBs than using younger guys. THat's pretty much the framework on how they've built their teams. Sure, they could shake things up and do something different, but IMO they have been somewhat predictable.

 

[Liquid Tension]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

When is the last time the Pats had a top 5 pick? They've never really been in a position to draft franchise type talent.

They took Seymour at 6 and Ty Warren at 13.In the BB era, here's the players they have drafted in the Top 50 picks . . .24 - Brandon Meriweather DB 21 - Laurence Maroney RB36 - Chad Jackson WR 32 - Logan Mankins G 21 - Vince Wilfork DT32 - Ben Watson TE 13 - Ty Warren DT 36 - Eugene Wilson DB 21 - Dan Graham TE 6 - Richard Seymour DT48 - Matt Light T 46 - Adrian Klemm T

Most of which have panned out. So should they take another player for an area that is not a need, or shore up another area?

Good info...It looks to me that BB has a great understanding of DT's. If I am someone in the Dolphin organization, I get someone else I can trust to talk with Bill about his opinion of Dorsey

 

[LILB811]

I think the interesting thing is that for all the brilliance of the Patriots in trading with the 49ers and getting their top 5 pick, had they never made the trade they could've taken Posluszny, David Harris or Tim Crowder at that spot. They would've paid that guy less and given them a year to grow in the system. Obviously you don't know who will pan out and Posluszny has been injured, but both of the linebackers ended up within the division and seem to be in the mold of the player most people feel the Pats D needs.

Instead, the Patriots have the top 5 pick, and there isn't really a worthy player at LB or DB, as Andy mentioned, who is worth that pick. To me it seems like if they don't take McFadden, they'll trade out of the pick, which makes the original trade look even worse.

 

[greenline]

1 Miami 0-12 .542

Glenn Dorsey - DT

2 New England (from SF) 3-9 .484

Darren McFadden - RB

3 New York Jets 3-9 .521

Chris Long - DE

4 Atlanta 3-9 .521

Brian Brohm - QB

5 St. Louis 3-9 .521

Jake Long OT

 

[David Yudkin]

I think the interesting thing is that for all the brilliance of the Patriots in trading with the 49ers and getting their top 5 pick, had they never made the trade they could've taken Posluszny, David Harris or Tim Crowder at that spot. They would've paid that guy less and given them a year to grow in the system. Obviously you don't know who will pan out and Posluszny has been injured, but both of the linebackers ended up within the division and seem to be in the mold of the player most people feel the Pats D needs.Instead, the Patriots have the top 5 pick, and there isn't really a worthy player, as Andy mentioned, who is worth that pick. To me it seems like if they don't take McFadden, they'll trade out of the pick, which makes the original trade look even worse.

Seeing how the Pats ended up getting Randy Moss with the other pick they got in that trade, I wouldn't exactly say things didn't work out for them.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the interesting thing is that for all the brilliance of the Patriots in trading with the 49ers and getting their top 5 pick, had they never made the trade they could've taken Posluszny, David Harris or Tim Crowder at that spot. They would've paid that guy less and given them a year to grow in the system. Obviously you don't know who will pan out and Posluszny has been injured, but both of the linebackers ended up within the division and seem to be in the mold of the player most people feel the Pats D needs.

Instead, the Patriots have the top 5 pick, and there isn't really a worthy player at LB or DL, as Andy mentioned, who is worth that pick. To me it seems like if they don't take McFadden, they'll trade out of the pick, which makes the original trade look even worse.

Well, McFadden is and since Maroney isn't setting the world on fire, I think the Patriots could do well with a running game.I don't think it's a coincidence that they've struggled as the weather has turned.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think the Pats will trade down though to someone who wants McFadden badly enough to not give NYJ a chance at him.

I've been saying this for a while now... The Jets Clearly Need DMac, I just hope that SF wins a game or 2 more so we get the chance.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the Pats will trade down though to someone who wants McFadden badly enough to not give NYJ a chance at him.

I've been saying this for a while now... The Jets Clearly Need DMac, I just hope that SF wins a game or 2 more so we get the chance.

The Jets clearly need a lot of things. I wouldn't put RB at the top of the list.(Praying this turns away from Patriots discussion... )

 

[greenline]

Quick insight - NE does not take LBs early because they like to play a 3-4. NEs 3-4 is different than say the Chargers or the Ravens 3-4. A lot of the LBs in the draft did not and do not fit into their scheme. BB has said before that most LBs coming out of college cannot drop into coverage well enough for the NFL game.

I don't see any LBs in this draft who fit this mold early.

 

[Road Warriors]

i think the pats trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder and take Larinitis the LB from Ohio State.

Again, Pats have openly said it is not in their best interest to take a LB in the first round and have said this/done this for years. I suppose if there is a perfect fit then there may be a minimal chance, but they prefer seasoned LB or taking a later round pick and grooming someone.

When is the last time the Pats had a top 5 pick? They've never really been in a position to draft franchise type talent.I do agree they will try to trade down. They just don't want to give a 55 mil contract to a rookie, regardless of what position he plays.

All the other owners should get together and black ball the patriots and not trade with them. Force them to keep whoever they draft early and have to pay him top dollar.

Isn't collusion frowned upon by the league?

 

[Buckna]

Dark horse pick for the Pats: Malcolm Jenkins.

Seems unlikely they will be able to afford to keep Samuel on the roster, so CB becomes a need this offseason. Spending that much money on a corner would be wild, so this scenario likely involves someone trading with the Pats.

 

[greenf7cat]

The Pats will have trouble signing Samuel, Moss, and a Top 2-3 pick all at the same time, given that they still have to worry about Stallworth, Watson, and a big cap number for Colvin (if not others).

exactly!!

 

[LILB811]

I think the Pats will trade down though to someone who wants McFadden badly enough to not give NYJ a chance at him.

I've been saying this for a while now... The Jets Clearly Need DMac, I just hope that SF wins a game or 2 more so we get the chance.

The Jets clearly need a lot of things. I wouldn't put RB at the top of the list.(Praying this turns away from Patriots discussion... )

I almost feel like Dorsey, Brohm, and Jake Long are locks for those teams no matter where they pick.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Chris Long (versatile, intelligent DE) seems like a much more logical pick for the Patriots than McFadden. Laurinaitis seems like a great fit for the Pats, but I can't see him going #2 overall. Jake Long is also a possibility if he grades out well, but I saw somebody point out that having a rookie as the highest-paid member of a veteran OL might cause chemistry problems. Don't know much about Dorsey.

The Pats have a need at RB (Maroney has been a disappointment), but I just don't think they value RB enough to spend a #2 overall pick on one. If McFadden graded out like a Bush or a Peterson, I'd consider it more likely, but I don't think he will.

 

[greenline]

Chris Long (versatile, intelligent DE) seems like a much more logical pick for the Patriots than McFadden. Laurinaitis seems like a great fit for the Pats, but I can't see him going #2 overall. Jake Long is also a possibility if he grades out well, but I saw somebody point out that having a rookie as the highest-paid member of a veteran OL might cause chemistry problems. Don't know much about Dorsey.The Pats have a need at RB (Maroney has been a disappointment), but I just don't think they value RB enough to spend a #2 overall pick on one. If McFadden graded out like a Bush or a Peterson, I'd consider it more likely, but I don't think he will.

Maybe but they cannot pay Chris Long all that money and have him be a rotation player. He is not going to knock Seymour or Ty Warren off their job and NE has pretty good depth already on the line. Long does not project out for a switch to OLB either even though NE likes to use guys who were DEs at OLB. I assume they will trade down but for the excercise purposes of a mock draft you need to select someone. Also, I don't think Lauranitis is a fit here.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Chris Long (versatile, intelligent DE) seems like a much more logical pick for the Patriots than McFadden. Laurinaitis seems like a great fit for the Pats, but I can't see him going #2 overall. Jake Long is also a possibility if he grades out well, but I saw somebody point out that having a rookie as the highest-paid member of a veteran OL might cause chemistry problems. Don't know much about Dorsey.The Pats have a need at RB (Maroney has been a disappointment), but I just don't think they value RB enough to spend a #2 overall pick on one. If McFadden graded out like a Bush or a Peterson, I'd consider it more likely, but I don't think he will.

McFadden is (read: will be) a better NFL back than Bush.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think the Pats will trade down though to someone who wants McFadden badly enough to not give NYJ a chance at him.

I've been saying this for a while now... The Jets Clearly Need DMac, I just hope that SF wins a game or 2 more so we get the chance.

The Jets clearly need a lot of things. I wouldn't put RB at the top of the list.(Praying this turns away from Patriots discussion... )

Yes... so did many teams when they took an RB w/ a top 8 Pick... NOS and Minny didn't NEED Bush or ADP when they picked them; but they sure do look like better teams with those guys. The Jets really can't expect too Ride TJ and Leon again...