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Right.But two of the five tools are defensive.
Want to help me out with who led the league in OF assists last year?Right.But two of the five tools are defensive.
wait, are we talking def, or Avg, HR, R, RBI, SBs?I might have fantasy on the brain here.Want to help me out with who led the league in OF assists last year?Right.But two of the five tools are defensive.
I mean, clearly that's a function of people running on him all the time. For example, Soriano had 22 assists and ICHIRO! only had 8. Does that mean Soriano has a better arm than ICHIRO! Obviously not.Having said that, Soriano's range factor, zone rating and other defensive stats were all above average last year. He definitely had a better year in LF than I thought.Want to help me out with who led the league in OF assists last year?Right.But two of the five tools are defensive.
Definition of '5 tools' fromGriff was/maybe if he can get healthy, as well.
I don't remember Griffey being really fast, nor a particularly extraordinary baserunner... but I could be wrong.Mark Bonavita
The Sporting News
It's the gold standard, the accepted yardstick used to rate baseball players. But what exactly is a five-tool player?
If you know, quick, raise your hand. Anybody? Anybody? For such a common baseball term, its meaning remains a mystery to many. Others know the five tools, but don't know how teams and scouts gauge them as talents.
For the record, the five tools are 1) hitting for average, 2) hitting for power, 3) running speed, 4) arm strength and 5) fielding ability.
He was faster than average and a very good baserunner earlier in his career. Now he's a catcher on the basepaths.Definition of '5 tools' fromGriff was/maybe if he can get healthy, as well.I don't remember Griffey being really fast, nor a particularly extraordinary baserunner... but I could be wrong.Mark Bonavita
The Sporting News
It's the gold standard, the accepted yardstick used to rate baseball players. But what exactly is a five-tool player?
If you know, quick, raise your hand. Anybody? Anybody? For such a common baseball term, its meaning remains a mystery to many. Others know the five tools, but don't know how teams and scouts gauge them as talents.
For the record, the five tools are 1) hitting for average, 2) hitting for power, 3) running speed, 4) arm strength and 5) fielding ability.
RAIDERNATION said:Where have you gone, Raul Mondesi.![]()
(Though granted, his average was never stellar.)
Is he the first six tool player? Is that like being the 5th Beatle?DoubleG said:Bonds has had all 5 tools...at one time or another...just never at the same time.
To add to his validity, he is ONE BIG TOOL right now - does that count? (p.s. his brother seems quite a jerk too).
You'll have to apologize for Limp Ditka. He has no imagination whatsoever.whoknew said:Limp Ditka said:Soriano![]()
Get your own shtick, role player.You'll have to apologize for Limp Ditka. He has no imagination whatsoever.whoknew said:Limp Ditka said:Soriano![]()
i nearly died when i read this. his defense is barely passable.4x champ said:Chase Utley is pretty close.
I would not agree with that at all. He has improved a lot. Is he the best fielder, no, but I would call him good now.i nearly died when i read this. his defense is barely passable.4x champ said:Chase Utley is pretty close.
I would not agree with that at all. He has improved a lot. Is he the best fielder, no, but I would call him good now.i nearly died when i read this. his defense is barely passable.4x champ said:Chase Utley is pretty close.
Not with his .260 career average. He's short one tool.nobody has mentioned Andruw Jones?
I would not agree with that at all. He has improved a lot. Is he the best fielder, no, but I would call him good now.i nearly died when i read this. his defense is barely passable.4x champ said:Chase Utley is pretty close.He must still be reading the scouting reports from 5 years ago.
I believe that's called an oxymoron.healthy, Baldelli?
No, not recently. With the Mariner's (if you drop the year he only played 70 something games), he averaged just over 16 stolen bases a year. Certainly not Ricky Henderson numbers, but decent.Definition of '5 tools' fromDoubleG said:Griff was/maybe if he can get healthy, as well.I don't remember Griffey being really fast, nor a particularly extraordinary baserunner... but I could be wrong.Mark Bonavita
The Sporting News
It's the gold standard, the accepted yardstick used to rate baseball players. But what exactly is a five-tool player?
If you know, quick, raise your hand. Anybody? Anybody? For such a common baseball term, its meaning remains a mystery to many. Others know the five tools, but don't know how teams and scouts gauge them as talents.
For the record, the five tools are 1) hitting for average, 2) hitting for power, 3) running speed, 4) arm strength and 5) fielding ability.
Hunter Pence, watch this guy explode
If you look at OBP instead of average, he is 5-tool I think.4x champ said:Not with his .260 career average. He's short one tool.nobody has mentioned Andruw Jones?
Curtis Granderson
If you look at OBP instead of average, he is 5-tool I think.Not with his .260 career average. He's short one tool.nobody has mentioned Andruw Jones?
You haven't updated that thread in a while.Josh Hamilton...next year.
This is the first guy that came to mind. Why did it take 32 posts to get his name out there?Vladimir Guerrero
I'm the one that gave the inspiration, I'm just as much of an owner of this shtick as you are.Get your own shtick, role player.You'll have to apologize for Limp Ditka. He has no imagination whatsoever.
Will do tomorrowYou haven't updated that thread in a while.Josh Hamilton...next year.