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McCown had 3 great games against the 3 worst defenses in the league. Minny, Redskins and Dallas....if you think Cutler would not put up those #s you are nothing more than a clueless fan that is the norm in this country. Cannot fix stupid.
Da Guru said:
What people fail to realize is McCown did well against 3 teams with pathetic Defenses....assuming people posting here actually understand football, given they play a lot of FF, I am shocked at how they do not see that when you play 3 of the worst pass Ds in the league (and that is what Minny; Skins; Dallas were), you better put up points, especially when Jeffrey is making the best catches a WR made this year throughout the NFL.Sweet Love said:
All their money in a QB? LOL go drink another beer and stay drunk. Bears have close to $40M in salary cap. Signing a franchise QB only helps spread out the cap impact. Bears have enough $ to improve on D. Not to mention they can now spend every draft pick on D and be fine. You keep thinking you are right though....great entertainment.
It's actually 3 out of 5 years in Chicago he had winning seasons. Got Bears to 2010 NFC Championship with 274 yards, 2 TDs passing, 2 TDs rushing. Had a career-high QB rating this year. Among best in NFL in QB rating in fourth quarter this season. That's above average, anyone saying otherwise I have no idea what the issue is. His career interception rate is too high, but he's had less than a full year in the new system. There's room for him to improve. He gives them a good shot at a title in the next few years while they can focus drafting on defense only.
His ints are high in the past because again, he had Johny Knox, Roy Williams, Hester, Earl Bennett as his #1 or #2 WR. The only weapon he ever had before Marshall got here was Greg Olsen at TE. He also had one of the worst OL ever in the league with no LT, RT or OGs worth a darn. Just look at what happens to QBs when they have no weapons or OL by looking at Brady and Eli. You cannot play QB without a supporting cast.
I've been a pretty staunch Cutler defender, but you can't simply put everything on his supporting cast like that. His decision making definitely still needs work -- he still needs to get better at throwing the ball away or just taking what's there.
sweetness, with the playoffs on the line Cutler didn't put a TD on the board until his team was down 33-3 against the 29th-ranked d in the league (ranked much lower than Washington's) two and a half weeks ago. I don't think it's stupid to assume McCown could have done better than that.
Isn't Aaron Rodgers getting paid $130M over 7 years? Doesn't that make $17M per year for Cutler seem like a bad deal in comparison?
He only got two possessions — yeah both 3 and outs — before he was down 21-0. Are you kidding me?
no, not at all.
Rodgers' extension was 5 / $110 million, so significantly more than Cutler. I'm not a Bears' fan so no sense in poking me with a stick, man. Jeff George? Come on. I agree Cutler's not Manning / Brees / Brady / Rodgers. But he's not Jeff George by a longshot.
I'm sure McCown could have done about the same as Cutler in that game as well. I'm also certain Cutler would have went at least 3-2 in the games that McCown started. I mean it was against the Cowboys, Rams, Vikings, Matt Flynn's Packers, and the Ravens. Not a single winning team in that group.
blind homerism + a short temper...not a good combo
Oh, I forgot, nothing is ever Cutler's fault with blind homers like you.
I'm going to side with the GM on the durability issue. Jay has missed 12 games and played 104. Only a couple starting QBs out there, Eli and Rivers, have went their whole career without missing a decent chunk of time.
That's true. How many other times has it happened? I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's a ridiculous gamble to take when you have a guy and a system in place that's good enough to compete for a championship.
as a franchise, you can't count on that. But you can hedge your bets. I don't think there was any language that precluded the Bears from franchising Cutler. Maybe it will work out, but I think that's assuming Cutler makes good on the potential he's had for the duration of his career.
Surely you know that the Broncos got 2 first-round picks and a third-rounder for Cutler? That's a far cry from letting someone walk.
Did you see Hester fumble the ball and the D not stop anyone enroute to a 21-0 start? Once teams know you have to pass to win, it is easy to play D. Bears could not run the ball in that game and the imbalance showed. Again, watch some football...the ignorance here is breath taking.
Talk about getting lucky. Otherwise they would be starting Tebow now....please, get a clue. Or are you saying the Broncos knew Peyton would hurt his neck, be available and agree to sign? LMAO.
Jeffrey was a rookie last year and was injured for 6 games (not the packer games but still it hurt his development). It takes time to develop a WR. And despite that, it took a couple of fluky drops from Alshon to be the only reason the packers won one of the games. But you keep being delusional. The entire board knows how pathetic you are in your homerism. I will enjoy watching you squirm as Cutler tears up your pathetic team's D the next few years....speaking of which, why are the fudgepacker fans so scared this weekend to get their asses kicked by the Niners that they will not even buy playoff tickets? LOLOLOL.....blackout is coming....bandwagon, inbred hicks know the Niners are gonna stomp your team in your home field like the Giants and Falcons and Vikings have done the last few times.
Franchising him would have been a horrible move since the cap hit would be huge this upcoming year and not allow them to upgrade the D. Signing this deal helps spread the cap hit over 7 years with flexibility on which years the Bears want it to be more focussed. The Bears have an O that is SB caliber for the next 3 years, with Cutler, Forte, Marshall, Alshon, Bennett and the entire OL pretty much signed except for Garza at C. The Bears were top 5 (even top 3) in most relevant offensive stats this year, and this was despite playing in a new system. With a full off-season, more growth for Alshon, more development for the 2 rookies on the OL etc, the sky is the limit for this O.
yes, and I saw the offence do nothing against the 4th-worst (statistically) d in the league until the game was wrapped up. It seemed like a rerun of when Cutler's Broncos played the Chargers with the playoffs on the line in 2008.
Vs Washington
What worries me about the structure of this contract is that at some point you have to charge the money to the cap. The tag would have cost $16.2 million. That is still less than the $17 million the contract averages. They are probably structuring the contract to lower the cap hit for the first few years. But at some point that money has to be charged to the cap. I think by playing games with the contract structure teams are creating problems for themselves down the road. That worries me. To me it is like trading away future draft picks. It may sound like a good idea now but in the long run it can cripple you.
That's not what they're doing. They're paying him 54 million by March of 2016. If things aren't going in the right direction, they can draft a qb in 2015 or 16 and cut him. I'm optimistic cutler will show continued improvement though.
Really? Now many Super Bowls has Denver won since Cutler left?
Cutler played hurt in the 2nd Det game. His ankle was sprained during the game. Trestman stuck with him although clearly he was hurt and hence could not move/complete passes in the 2nd half. Trestman finally removed him before the final drive. Again, watch a game before spewing your ignorance. Against Wash, it was early before he was hurt. He has come back many times this year and carried the team in the 2nd half to wins (See Minny first game. Browns etc). In fact, Cutler had one of the best 4th Q stats this year in the NFL.
More ignorance....the structure is such that the cap hit will be higher in the first 3 years (not back-loaded). Bears have ~$40M in cap space before the deals today so they have plenty to fix other areas, not to mention they can spend every draft pick in the first 4 rounds on D if they so desire. With Slauson back, the entire O will be back now (except Garza right now, but I expect him to re-sign too at a vet salary for a couple of years or so).
That is simply not true. Joe Flacco has never missed a game. Matt Ryan has missed two games in a six year career. Rodgers missed seven games this year but in the five years prior to that he had missed two games. Both Brady and Peyton missed a season, but outside of that they never missed a game. Brees has been in New Orleans for eight years and never missed a game. Since becoming the starter, in the last seven years, Romo has missed fourteen games. Cutler has missed twelve in the last three years. Roethlisberger, because of his reckless style, tends to get dinged up and miss time. He has only played sixteen games twice since 2004, but he has only missed eleven games in the last eight years. So I think that compared to all these other QBs Cutler certainly does have a durability issue.
I have yet to see the specific structure of the deal. My guess is that you haven't either. What I have seen is that it is a $127 million deal over seven years with $54 million guaranteed. I saw something that says the contract averages $18 million a year for the first three years, but nothing about how much of that is signing bonus. But the only way that a contract that pays Cutler an average of $17 million a year is less than a franchise tag that would have required the team to pay Cutler $16.2 million for next year is if the contract is back loaded.
So, basically more excuses for Cutler.
that anyone thinks there is a blackout coming.
I agree. That is a lot of dough, but the contract basically has an out after three years. The guarantee is taken care of in three years so that after three years you can cut him with no cap hit. It is odd that Emery complained about the franchise tag of $16.2 million handcuffing the team and then proceeded to spend $22.5 million in the first year. But I would much rather see this than the type of contract that the Ravens signed Flacco to. That is really back loaded and they will have to renegotiate to avoid a huge cap hit in three years. This is basically a three year contract with a series of one year contracts tagged on the end. So if you were going to sign Cutler to a long term this is about the best deal you could have made. Cutler has three years to prove he is worth this contract. If the Bears decide at the end of that three year period that he isn't they can move on with a clean slate.
I'd rather have the Flacco contract, assuming it came with the Super Bowl win that inflated it.
the question is should you?
They have the cap space...but it obviously could hurt them. The good is the out after 3 years. They are not locked into too many years of it if it goes bad...and in that time you can draft and pay little to nothing on someone to develop.
yeah, i am not ripping iti
