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shakeybarn
Footballguy
How about his entire rest of schedule... save those two games back-to-back on the road (one is at Bal, the other I forget)... hopefully you can start around. He's this year's Jon Kitna I decided weeks ago... quietly, everyone think he's junk with some talented receivers (Braylon and KW2), yet he'll finish Top 7.
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Footballguy
I would rank them as:
1. Healthy Bulger
2. Anderson
3. Griese
4. Banged-up Bulger
What I like about Anderson is that he will keep forcing the rock even if he starts playing poorly. That's probably bad for "real football", but it's great for fantasy football. A guy like Joey Harrington might get gun shy after the first interception, but Anderson keeps on throwing as if nothing happened.
I have Griese on one of my teams and he scares me. He's shaky. So far he's been more lucky than good.
1. Healthy Bulger
2. Anderson
3. Griese
4. Banged-up Bulger
What I like about Anderson is that he will keep forcing the rock even if he starts playing poorly. That's probably bad for "real football", but it's great for fantasy football. A guy like Joey Harrington might get gun shy after the first interception, but Anderson keeps on throwing as if nothing happened.
I have Griese on one of my teams and he scares me. He's shaky. So far he's been more lucky than good.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
There's been a lot of surprises in the NFL this year but I can't think of any more surprising than Anderson.
He went from backup, possibly 3rd string long term on what most thought one of the worst teams in the NFL heading into week 1 to leading what looks to be a above average offense in Cleveland.
There's no reason to think what you've seen in Cleveland isn't going to hold up through the rest of the schedule. He's already gone up against Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh. He's held his own in those games (Pitts he didn't get the entire game) and in games where he gets weaker defenses he will be a very good option.
Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow and JJ are playing well. I think he's a much better option than the QB's you have on your list.
He went from backup, possibly 3rd string long term on what most thought one of the worst teams in the NFL heading into week 1 to leading what looks to be a above average offense in Cleveland.
There's no reason to think what you've seen in Cleveland isn't going to hold up through the rest of the schedule. He's already gone up against Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh. He's held his own in those games (Pitts he didn't get the entire game) and in games where he gets weaker defenses he will be a very good option.
Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow and JJ are playing well. I think he's a much better option than the QB's you have on your list.
Downontheupside
Footballguy
He's the perfect fantasy QB this year. Good offense, lots of weapons for him to use, and the product of a terrible defense so you'll know he'll be in a lot of shootouts and throwing from behind. His remaining games aren't that tough, he plays with a lot of confidence, he's averaging over 2 TDS game, what's there not to like? Easily top 10 QB for the rest of the year.
Oh the Humanity
Footballguy
Biggest issue for him right now is that if cleveland falls out of the hunt for a playoff spot, they'll probably want to look at Quinn for a few games. Try to acquire a solid backup for the playoffs
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Yea, that's my big concern as well. I think Anderson is a much better fantasy QB than real NFL QB so far. He certainly shows potential as an NFL QB, but with the costly trade up into the first to get Brady the Browns might have a quick hook for Anderson if he shows any weakness at all once the Browns are out of it. I hope it doesn't happen, because those playoff week match ups(my main league playoffs start week 14) are too juicy.
Anderson has been a pleasant surprise. When your stupid Cowboys
traded for the Browns 1st rounder next year I thought for sure you would be getting one of the top 3 picks in the draft. Thankfully it's looking a bit lower.
Brother Mouzone
Footballguy
Anderson is still doing what it takes to stay in and win games. After last week I dont think Cleveland will pull him out for Quinn this season at all barring a big letdown game.
However, this is becoming less and less likely to happen. Aside from the NE game I think Anderson has made good decisions, he throws tight balls, and has shown the ability to be a double threat player in the redzone.
That being said, you have to start your young high prospect quarterback at some point... right?
However, this is becoming less and less likely to happen. Aside from the NE game I think Anderson has made good decisions, he throws tight balls, and has shown the ability to be a double threat player in the redzone.
That being said, you have to start your young high prospect quarterback at some point... right?
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
In real life Griese sucks, but in fantasy I don't have a problem with the numbers he is putting up even though my league penalizes for INT's...
He's averaging almost 300 yards and 2.3 TD in his three games. Anderson is averaging about 250 yards and 2.3 TD in his games (though he has two rushing TD that Griese doesn't). Given that they both turn the ball over a lot, I don't actually see much of a difference here.
He's averaging almost 300 yards and 2.3 TD in his three games. Anderson is averaging about 250 yards and 2.3 TD in his games (though he has two rushing TD that Griese doesn't). Given that they both turn the ball over a lot, I don't actually see much of a difference here.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I would love for the Panthers to offer a 2nd or 3rd to try and get this kid. Great size and talent.
H.K.
Footballguy
No, to both questions.Why? He is on a pace to throw for 37 TD passes and about 4000 yards. Simply put, he is not that good. Everyone has bad games, he is no exception. He just hasn't had one (FF wise) yet.
Let's say he continues his amazing season and finishes with 28 TD passes.....well, 14 of those TD's have already been thrown in the first 6 weeks, that means he'll be throwing the other 14 over the remaining ten games. His 2.3 TD's per game go to 1.4.
Look at Eli Manning's first half last year. He was on pace to throw for 30 TD passes through eight games. He finished with 24.
Anderson defines a "sell high" candidate.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Browns homer here...
For the original poster: Don't ignore that easy back-end schedule. Just keep Anderson and if you have room, pick up Quinn. In the preseason, he looked great, made the right decisions accurately and in a decisive fashion with a quick release, albeit running simplified 2 minute drills against prevent defenses. Quinn is a smart guy and according to the Plain Dealer and the Canton Repository, masters the offense in practices.
For Panther Power: Good idea as Anderson knows Jeff Davidson's offense. If Davidson is your coordinator for the long term, it may be a positive to have Anderson in the mix. However, I think the value of Anderson as Quinn's backup is worth more than the 3rd or 4th round pick he would command in a trade.
For H.K.: Watching the games, Anderson is getting awesome pass protection and is eliminating the stupid throws. If Anderson's remaining schedule was awful, I see selling high. But with the weapons on O and the schedule, why sell high?
For the original poster: Don't ignore that easy back-end schedule. Just keep Anderson and if you have room, pick up Quinn. In the preseason, he looked great, made the right decisions accurately and in a decisive fashion with a quick release, albeit running simplified 2 minute drills against prevent defenses. Quinn is a smart guy and according to the Plain Dealer and the Canton Repository, masters the offense in practices.
For Panther Power: Good idea as Anderson knows Jeff Davidson's offense. If Davidson is your coordinator for the long term, it may be a positive to have Anderson in the mix. However, I think the value of Anderson as Quinn's backup is worth more than the 3rd or 4th round pick he would command in a trade.
For H.K.: Watching the games, Anderson is getting awesome pass protection and is eliminating the stupid throws. If Anderson's remaining schedule was awful, I see selling high. But with the weapons on O and the schedule, why sell high?
D_House
Footballguy
I think he proved himself in the Pats game. His playoff schedule is a dream : 14 @ Jets, 15 Buffalo, 16 @ Cincy, 17 San Fran. Just have to hope that the Jets and Buffalo can put some points on the board, which given the Browns' track record on DEF, doesn't seem to be a stretch at all.
H.K.
Footballguy
Like I explained in my post. IMHO his pace is not sustainable. I do not see Anderson throwing for 37 TD's and 4000 yards (just like I don't see Tom Brady throwing 56 TD passes, either). I estimated 28 TD's, which is a very good season and should not be taken as an insult in any way. What do you project for Anderson for final season numbers?
Club Leftwich
Footballguy
I don't understand why Cleveland would fool around with playing Quinn when they've found their best QB since Kosar. Brady Quinn dropped in the draft like Aaron Rodgers, now he can ride the bench like him.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
If cleveland wasnt in the wildcard hunt, Quinn might already be playing.Andersons performance has not lead to making the move, yet. If cleveland stays in the hunt, there is no reason to play Quinn.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Stingdiddy
Footballguy
I think Anderson and the entire Cleveland offense is legit. Good line, good running game, great tight end and above average receivers...and a CRAPPY defense. Anderson is going to be throwing in the 4th quarter alot. Until Cleveland announces Quinn as the starter (I think this will happen late in the season) Anderson will be my starting QB with confidence.
Not Sure
Footballguy
I wouldn't really want to rely on him for the rest of the year because I can see Quinn making an appearance at some point. Out of the 5 games he has started, he wasn't very good (from an NFL perspective) in 3 of them. In the 1 game he didn't start (week 1) he still played most of the game and wasn't that good in that one either. He throws a lot of interceptions and that will get him benched. From a fantasy perspective he is putting up some points, but from an NFL perspective he isn't that good.
Routilla
Footballguy
I don't think we see Quinn until next year. DA is 3rd in the league in TDs and 9th in yds. Brees, Romo, Eli, Palmer and Cutler have all thrownas mnay if not more INTs. Great production IMO.
Not Sure
Footballguy
Anderson's stats this year:
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Comp ATT YDS Comp % TD INT2 good games 38 58 573 65.5% 8 14 other games 63 126 923 50.0% 6 7Total 101 184 1496 54.9% 14 8
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Footballguy
The average of those 4 "other" games is still enough to make him a top-10 fantasy QB.
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Not Sure
Footballguy
230.75 yards, 1.5 TDs and 1.75 INTs per game is a top 10 fantasy QB?Anyway, he is putting up some points from a fantasy perspective but from an NFL perspective he may not be doing enough to keep the job from Quinn for too much longer. That is my main point.
These numbers CONVENIENTLY left out his Rushing TD's, whic count for 1.5 passing TD's in most Leagues.So, if you add his RUSHING Td's as Passing for arguments sake, his games are:
328 -5
248 - 2.5
204 - 2
287 - 2
245 - 4.5
I count that as 4 good games and 1 decent game. No Stinkers unless you get penalized for INT's.
I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop on him and the Browns. But I think we may be looking at another Kurt Warner story. I know, call me crazy. I say he reaches 30+ TD's.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Cle will not fall out of the playoff hunt. The are 3-3 with a VERY soft schedule the rest of the way. Other than Pitt, their division stinks. They have already beaten Baltimore and Cincy too. IF you're going to worry about Anderson due to this, then you'd have to worry about a ton of other teams too.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Why does everyone always say that? Go look at the Bears point totals under Griese, then realize that its the CHICAGO BEARS....thye have a horrible O and hes actually putting up some points. His career stats are pretty good too. Do you realize that he has the highest QB rating in both Denver Bronco and TB Buc history? I have no clue why the guy gets so much hate.
saintfool
Dead sexy
with Quinn in the wings, what is DA's future with the franchise? he's likely a cheap back-up for the Browns but wouldn't they want to avoid a QB controversy next year? He may be desirable to franchises - Minnesota, Carolina, Miami, & Atlanta all come to mind - that have obvious needs for the position.
LILB811
Footballguy
Honestly, since the Browns don't have their first round pick anyway, I think they'll try to make a run at the playoffs and stick with what's been working in Anderson. It's not like Edwards, Winslow, Joe Thomas are going anywhere soon, so ride the wave. Especially if they're looking to move him in the offseason, they may want to showcase him this year. As far as fantasy, I think he should be a fine top 10 QB the rest of the way.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
I'm benching P Manning for DA vs Rams. 
H.K.
Footballguy
Minnesota - Definitely has a QB needMiami - Maybe, but they need to see how Lemon does the rest of the year.
Carolina - Jake is 32 and he is the starter, and they have Carr as a back up, DA will not go to Carolina.
Atlanta - Harrington & Leftwich, I doubt the team is looking at adding a third QB in that mix
others where homers could add insight:
Kansas City may be a possibility
Jacksonville - Are they really sold on Garrard?
Buffalo - Long shot, but the Losman era may be dead and Edwards.
Routilla
Footballguy
There are very few teams who know they have a stud at QB and are willing to let go of a quality back-up. I doubt CLE knows what they have in Quinn as a rookie and it would be ill advised to dump DA and hope they drafted a stud. Quinn could be a bust, we'll not know for at least a year or two. Unless DA doesn't like playing in CLE or unless some other team makes a healthy offer I would think he stays in CLE.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I appreciate the dissecting of the teams I mentioned but it wasn't really the point of my post. Does DA have a future with Cleveland? Will he revert to back-up, with a great chance to start if Quinn struggles, next season? Is there a plan in place for Cleveland?
LILB811
Footballguy
Right now, to me it looks like Derek Anderson in CLE = Drew Brees in SD. I don't think I'm the only one.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Atlanta moved Schaub too and learned to regret it. I'd keep unless they get a lot for him.
No you're not.
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You mean just like SD kept Brees over Rivers.Not saying it's going to happen, but not sure we can say it won't happen either.It's an interesting turn of events for cleveland.
Not Sure
Footballguy
I forgot about the rushing stats so I truly, from the bottom of my heart apologize to you. I hope you can forgive me. His rushing stats are nothing special, though, so it makes no difference and does not change anything about my argument. Here are his rushing stats by game:[code=ATT YDS TD
However, you can't CONVENIENTLY overlook INTs. Throwing INTs is how you get benched for the young 1st round pick who is waiting for his shot. As I have said many times, which you also seem to be conveniently overlooking - I agree that Anderson is putting up some points from a fantasy perspective but he isn't playing that well from an NFL perspective and with a guy like Quinn on the roster he could get benched if he doesn't play better and more consistently. Believe it or not, NFL coaches don't care how many fantasy points a player is scoring. They actually care about things like INTs and consistency though.
Routilla
Footballguy
Rivers watched for 2 years. At some point during that 2nd year SD decided he was good enough to keep as the starter and let Brees go. I'm saying it would be a huge gamble for CLE letting DA go without knowing what they have in Quinn.
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Not Sure
Footballguy
I can see CLE keeping Anderson on the roster, especially since the salary cap is much higher than it was when SD got rid of Brees so most teams have some room to work with. However, the main way they are going to be able to find out what they really have in Quinn is to play him which means at some point Anderson will be on the bench. If Quinn turns out to suck, then Anderson may beat him out over time. However Quinn is going to get his chance at some point soon.
Routilla
Footballguy
I think they would have went to Quinn instead of DA earlier this year when the starting job was available. Why throw him in to the mix during other team's(CLE included) push for the playoffs? Why would you rush a rookie like that?
Not Sure
Footballguy
It's not like Anderson is a really experienced vet with a proven track record either. If he continues to play inconsistently and throws a lot of INTs maybe they will think that Quinn will be better. That is why they would bench Anderson and put in Quinn. Also, we will see how long CLE is really in the playoff hunt. I am not sold on them as a possible playoff team yet.Routilla said:
shakeybarn
Footballguy
nothing special... hmmm, no not Vick like, who cares about the yards... as I look above that's on pace for 6 rushing TDs.....on pace for 3,900/44/21 and 6 rush TDs... a win on Sunday vs the Rams... and Brown will have matched their win total from last year by week 7. Romeo won't care if dude ends up 29 INTs. The team is mediocre, and that's a big step up.the guy's schedule gets 3 times easier for the bulk of the rest of the season. the guy never/rarely gets to work out with KW2, and a spotty/nicked running game, with a poor defense. he's the #4 QB, and bad week for him is 14 or 15 pts... vs a Philip Rivers who has already posted 4 single digit weeks, yet there's banter about whether or not he's a Top 10 QB.what do you want him to do, sling 5 TDs in one half...?
they care about winning... dude faced Pit, Bal, AND NWE defenses.... are you are ragging on him for 2 INTs a game (the 3 INT game was a WR error/bounce)... regardless.... a win is a win... they are 2-1 vs their division. and get STL, SEA, at PIT then at BAL [agree the tough part], HOU, atARI, atNYJ, BUF, at CIN, SFonly an injury keeps him out of the Top 10. that's with Big Ben, Carson Palmer, Eli, Favre, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Culter and Garrard breathing down his back.
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Footballguy
And he didn't even start in 4 of those games.I'm still gonna sell high if I can, though.
