Dallas Cowboys - Official Team Thread (2 Viewers)

[Ack88]

The body of work is clear:
This team feasts on middling and low level competition to build a deceptive statistical profile, making them sound “elite”.

When faced with good competition, the clear coaching and QB issues come out in perfect clarity.

If Dak is signed to another extension and McCarthy returns, expect more of the same.

This team will win 10ish games, likely play the AFC South winner, and perhaps win a road game, only to then be pulverized by SF or Philly on the road, followed by the usual sad sack press conferences about pressure and accountability.

Rinse and repeat.

But this isn't really even true. Arizona kicked their assssssssssss. Arizona has one win on the season - Dallas. That's it. That's the list.

God. Good thing I'm a Texas Rangers' fan, they'll never break your heart!

Good point on Arizona.
I’ll add some additional context-
The feasting on mediocre to bad teams is not new. They’ve done this for the past several years. This isn’t a knock, this is what good teams do.

Great teams, ones that are legitimate contenders, also win meaningful games against other contenders, particularly in late stages of the season.

The Cowboys consistently fail to do so, last Sunday’s game being an example.

So, until we see evidence of a change, the Cowboys remain a long shot to win a title.

I see no reason to believe we are any closer to changing that than we were two years ago and last year.

 

[modogg]

Coach Prime has made Colorado "Black America's Team".

'Deion was always beloved by us': Yes, Colorado is still Black America's football team

Colorado was blown out by Oregon. That doesn't change the fact Deion Sanders transformed Buffs into Black America's team, says columnist Mike Freeman.

www.usatoday.com

Just another sign that it's Coach Prime Time

**** like this is extremely divisive, Open and blatant racism.

it is funny you mention that. i was looking for an old magazine cover i kept with Deion coaching a little league team (maybe in Florida. it had all AA kids, except for one white kid that looked pretty obviously photo-shopped into the picture). have been looking for that magazine cover for awhile, was pretty funny. the team had green (maybe black) jerseys, but i can't remember which magazine or team.

ETA: and not saying the kid wasn't on the team. was just a pretty funny picture and my anti-Cowboys takes thought it was funny enough to put on our fridge for awhile. Probably 15-20 years ago

 

[drummer]

Coach Prime has made Colorado "Black America's Team".

'Deion was always beloved by us': Yes, Colorado is still Black America's football team

Colorado was blown out by Oregon. That doesn't change the fact Deion Sanders transformed Buffs into Black America's team, says columnist Mike Freeman.

www.usatoday.com

Just another sign that it's Coach Prime Time

**** like this is extremely divisive, Open and blatant racism.

it is funny you mention that. i was looking for an old magazine cover i kept with Deion coaching a little league team (maybe in Florida. it had all AA kids, except for one white kid that looked pretty obviously photo-shopped into the picture). have been looking for that magazine cover for awhile, was pretty funny. the team had green (maybe black) jerseys, but i can't remember which magazine or team.

ETA: and not saying the kid wasn't on the team. was just a pretty funny picture and my anti-Cowboys takes thought it was funny enough to put on our fridge for awhile. Probably 15-20 years ago

I just posted that because of the whole "America's Team" that has been a big part of the Cowboys brand for decades. Like the old "We have a hole in the ceiling at Cowboys stadium in Irving so God can look upon this team" thingy lol. It was just fun stuff back then, I can see how it's become more politicized with articles like this.

Coach Prime is his own brand, and good for him. He won two rings with the 49ers and Cowboys. But he wasn't the one to tip that scale. That was Charles Haley.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I get that everyone is railing on Dak today, but the defense got steamrolled. I know Parsons is a great player, but maybe he ought to keep quiet and stop worrying about his podcast and his brand and win something in the NFL first. Not saying that is the reason they lost, but talk and build your brand once you've been part of a winner, not when you are on a perennial playoff flop.

I think to a degree this is the root problem, behind Jerry. They get there and Jerry is such a salesmen, and these guys are such young kids, he uses the "Fame/endorsements" of being a Cowboy to try to help negotiate contracts. Which is silly in and of itself. But once these players start getting commercials, podcasts, appearances, etc - what I believe is they start "smelling themselves" much more than say any other team. No matter what they are a headline, they are famous, and in their eyes "they made it"

Now you got Micah basically saying "hey I do my job, maybe those other guys aren't doing theirs"

I'm sure he is a great teammate etc, but if I were another player close to his level I'd have a convo to maybe chill with the trash talking, the media appearances etc.

Yep, Jerry creates this environment, and the players simply adapt to it. I am sure Parsons meant no harm in his podcast, but saying they weren't put in the best position to win Sunday is pretty much throwing the entire coaching staff under the bus.

 

[Ack88]

The truth of the matter for all Dallas fans is that we won’t know any real meaningful information until after the Eagles game. That’s the next benchmark game.

 

[babydemon90]

Great teams, ones that are legitimate contenders, also win meaningful games against other contenders, particularly in late stages of the season.

The Cowboys consistently fail to do so, last Sunday’s game being an example.

So, until we see evidence of a change, the Cowboys remain a long shot to win a title.

I see no reason to believe we are any closer to changing that than we were two years ago and last year.

Last season the Cowboys beat the Vikings, Bengals, Eagles, and Bucs... Those were all playoff teams (technically so were the Giants but...yea)

 

[Deamon]

You should change the thread title soon.

It's outdated and it's not like the Cowboys to be living in the past.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

You should change the thread title soon.

It's outdated and it's not like the Cowboys to be living in the past.

That’s actually not bad ..

 

[Bankerguy]

Decent win with some flaws still evident. Good bounce back on a game they had to have.

Our o line is vastly overrated.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

If Dak can run the ball 5-10 times a game they will be successful on offense. If he doesn’t, they are below average.

I’ll eat some crow- Dak still has some wheels. That’s good because he’s going to need them.

 

[Terpman22]

Good win by Dallas. Their defense, even though they didn't get a sack until the final 2 plays is legit and its their identity. I'm not sure what the offensive identity is. From what I can tell, most Dallas fans are not happy with the playcalling, lack of guts and or creativity. Seems a little predictable. Gotta be happy Gallup showed some life last night too as well as Cooks. I think each had their best game of the season last night.

 

[Terpman22]

Per Tom Pelissero

Not sure why. Martin was paid the highest contract ever for a guard at the time. He still has time on that contract and is getting older. We have Ceedee and Micah among others that need paid, Diggs just got paid also. Dak about to get a new contract as well. Can’t pay everyone. Martin is a beast, but he signed the contract terms and length. Tired of these holdouts when they are no longer the top paid.

Yeah, I dont have a problem with it. Dont want a 5 year contract? Dont sign it. (I also dont side with management when they dump players early.)

Gotta pay the guy that is a surefire, probably first ballot, Hall of Famer. One of the best Cowboys of all time, IMO.

I don’t agree with theterpman often, but I do 100% here.
Dallas has a pretty good team here, the window might be open a crack to make a run at it. Pay that man his money and get his *** in camp

I’m sure it’s going to work out.

Even with Martin I have some grave concerns about the OL in the event of injury.

From what Ive heard, the backups have been pretty bad.

I would say in order the 3 things that could blow up the Cowboys season are:

1. OL Depth. By far the biggest worry if I were a Cowboys fans. From what I can tell the starters are supposed to look something like: Smith/Smith/Biadasz/Martin/Steele. Martin is a holdout and I have no idea how far along Steele is in his recovery from multiple ligament tears. Tyron Smith hasn't played a full season since his age 26 season, so its logical to expect the backups to play "at some point" My buddy was telling me about the Chuma guy way back when you guys signed him and its safe to say you probably don't want this guy seeing too much playing time. If they have to use 2 backups at the same time, it could be really bad.

2. The RB's. Pollard has never carried the full load and I'm not sure he can. So that means some sort of committee. None of the guys expected to serve as the Zeke replacement look like they are truly a replacement, so we will see what happens here.

3. Mike McCarthy calling plays. Just a wild card here. Could be good. Could be bland. Could be not so great. I'm not sure what to make of this part, but its something to keep an eye ont.

Checking in on these 3 takes I had pre season, so far, I think I went 3 for 3 here. Not that the season is bad or anything but it could definitely be better IMO. I was looking for my "You shouldn't sign Pollard" takes, but I'll just include that here.

Given the benefit of hindsight, would you guys STILL pay Pollard, knowing that you could have plugged in Ferguson at tight end, not draft Schoonmaker and maybe draft a guy like Roschon Johnson, Tyjae Spears or Devon Achane at that 2nd round pick?

Pollard is the 4th highest paid running back in the league at $10m+ and is 13th in the league in rushing and down a full 1+ YPC from last year, currently at 3.9 YPC.

For comparison, so far, Swift is being paid $1.7M and is right now 5th in the league in rushing with a 5.3 YPC.

 

[G-King]

Bump for a nice win yesterday. Dak, Bland and Micah were on fire. Dak flashed back to his rookie year self for a game,by making good decisions. The one INT was not on him, and he controlled the pace of the game well with long drives. Bland set a record with his 3rd INT TD return, and Micah… woah that dude has been a draft day steal. Complete wrecking ball that OC’s have to contend with in their head every play. Nice win, but the real test is this week.

 

[Ack88]

We did what we usually do- pound below average teams and pad the stat sheets. This is not a knock, it is what good teams do.

Dallas has all the talent to be great, but we’ve been here many, many times the last few years: measuring stick game coming against Philly. The question remains- can we beat an elite team on the road in the back half of the year?

We were buried by SF in the last measuring stick game, and I don’t expect any real change. We will get pile drivered into the ground next Sunday afternoon, most likely.

Jerry and the bunch talk a great game, but I don’t see us moving out of the second tier unless we win.

As they say, what is past is prologue.

 

[Ack88]

We did what we usually do- pound below average teams and pad the stat sheets. This is not a knock, it is what good teams do.

Dallas has all the talent to be great, but we’ve been here many, many times the last few years: measuring stick game coming against Philly. The question remains- can we beat an elite team on the road in the back half of the year?

We were buried by SF in the last measuring stick game, and I don’t expect any real change. We will get pile drivered into the ground next Sunday afternoon, most likely.

Jerry and the bunch talk a great game, but I don’t see us moving out of the second tier unless we win.

As they say, what is past is prologue.

Over/under for Dak interceptions: 1.5

What say you?

 

[Ack88]

Per Tom Pelissero

Not sure why. Martin was paid the highest contract ever for a guard at the time. He still has time on that contract and is getting older. We have Ceedee and Micah among others that need paid, Diggs just got paid also. Dak about to get a new contract as well. Can’t pay everyone. Martin is a beast, but he signed the contract terms and length. Tired of these holdouts when they are no longer the top paid.

Yeah, I dont have a problem with it. Dont want a 5 year contract? Dont sign it. (I also dont side with management when they dump players early.)

Gotta pay the guy that is a surefire, probably first ballot, Hall of Famer. One of the best Cowboys of all time, IMO.

I don’t agree with theterpman often, but I do 100% here.
Dallas has a pretty good team here, the window might be open a crack to make a run at it. Pay that man his money and get his *** in camp

I’m sure it’s going to work out.

Even with Martin I have some grave concerns about the OL in the event of injury.

From what Ive heard, the backups have been pretty bad.

I would say in order the 3 things that could blow up the Cowboys season are:

1. OL Depth. By far the biggest worry if I were a Cowboys fans. From what I can tell the starters are supposed to look something like: Smith/Smith/Biadasz/Martin/Steele. Martin is a holdout and I have no idea how far along Steele is in his recovery from multiple ligament tears. Tyron Smith hasn't played a full season since his age 26 season, so its logical to expect the backups to play "at some point" My buddy was telling me about the Chuma guy way back when you guys signed him and its safe to say you probably don't want this guy seeing too much playing time. If they have to use 2 backups at the same time, it could be really bad.

2. The RB's. Pollard has never carried the full load and I'm not sure he can. So that means some sort of committee. None of the guys expected to serve as the Zeke replacement look like they are truly a replacement, so we will see what happens here.

3. Mike McCarthy calling plays. Just a wild card here. Could be good. Could be bland. Could be not so great. I'm not sure what to make of this part, but its something to keep an eye ont.

Checking in on these 3 takes I had pre season, so far, I think I went 3 for 3 here. Not that the season is bad or anything but it could definitely be better IMO. I was looking for my "You shouldn't sign Pollard" takes, but I'll just include that here.

Given the benefit of hindsight, would you guys STILL pay Pollard, knowing that you could have plugged in Ferguson at tight end, not draft Schoonmaker and maybe draft a guy like Roschon Johnson, Tyjae Spears or Devon Achane at that 2nd round pick?

Pollard is the 4th highest paid running back in the league at $10m+ and is 13th in the league in rushing and down a full 1+ YPC from last year, currently at 3.9 YPC.

For comparison, so far, Swift is being paid $1.7M and is right now 5th in the league in rushing with a 5.3 YPC.

Pollard is good, but probably overrated.
Better in a timeshare and in space.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Trade deadline today!!

Who are we getting ???


Probably Noone

“we like our guys”

 

[Bankerguy]

Trade deadline today!!

Who are we getting ???


Probably Noone

“we like our guys”

Positions of need:
RB - between the tackles
TE -Pass catching
WR to get Gallup off the field
CB - depth

O-line if Tyron is out long term.

Edit - I’d like a WR personally. CD is great, Cooks is mid. Gallup is terrible. Need a big catch span target, good in the Red Zone.

 

[Bankerguy]

Th real win last week - was increase of motion used with our offense. Something I have been screaming about for a couple years.

Previous plays with motion all year - 33
Last week - 18

 

[Hastur]

Trade deadline today!!

Who are we getting ???


Probably Noone

“we like our guys”

Positions of need:
RB - between the tackles
TE -Pass catching
WR to get Gallup off the field
CB - depth

O-line if Tyron is out long term.

Edit - I’d like a WR personally. CD is great, Cooks is mid. Gallup is terrible. Need a big catch span target, good in the Red Zone.

I like what I see in Jake Ferguson and his hands. He's caught every ball thrown his way for the past 5 weeks. They just need to use him more, similar to Witten. A pressure relief valve of sorts.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Well that was fun

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Trade deadline today!!

Who are we getting ???


Probably Noone

“we like our guys”

Positions of need:
RB - between the tackles
TE -Pass catching
WR to get Gallup off the field
CB - depth

O-line if Tyron is out long term.

Edit - I’d like a WR personally. CD is great, Cooks is mid. Gallup is terrible. Need a big catch span target, good in the Red Zone.

I like what I see in Jake Ferguson and his hands. He's caught every ball thrown his way for the past 5 weeks. They just need to use him more, similar to Witten. A pressure relief valve of sorts.

I agree that they need to throw to him more. His td this week was a nice grab

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Well that was fun

Typical Jerry Jones FA splash - win now mode, does nothing to improve his roster that has seen it's fair share of injuries.

Cool.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Well that was fun

Typical Jerry Jones FA splash - win now mode, does nothing to improve his roster that has seen it's fair share of injuries.

Cool.

Sucks

 

[Terpman22]

Well that was fun

Typical Jerry Jones FA splash - win now mode, does nothing to improve his roster that has seen it's fair share of injuries.

Cool.

Spent a 4th on Trey Lance without consulting anyone.
Chase Young just went for a 3rd.
Rasul Douglas and a 5th went for a 3rd.

He has a unique philosophy.

 

[Football Jones]

Philly weak BAY-BEE!!!

We’re gonna make the playoffs, but the road win this week would be huge.

:cowboyup:

 

[G-King]

I know it’s a football thread but Rangers have a chance to win the World Series like, well…..never.
BUT NOT THIS YEAR, BABBBYYYYY. Our boys are schooling the Diamond Backs tonight!
10-0 currently.
LETS GO!!!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Well that was fun

Typical Jerry Jones FA splash - win now mode, does nothing to improve his roster that has seen it's fair share of injuries.

Cool.

Spent a 4th on Trey Lance without consulting anyone.
Chase Young just went for a 3rd.
Rasul Douglas and a 5th went for a 3rd.

He has a unique philosophy.

The Redskins weren't trading their players to the Cowboys (or the Eagles). The Trey Lance trade is a bargain flyer.

Why do we need or want Rasul Douglas?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Good News:
Nobody expects us to win.


Bad News:
This game isnt the one that matters.

 

[Terpman22]

Well that was fun

Typical Jerry Jones FA splash - win now mode, does nothing to improve his roster that has seen it's fair share of injuries.

Cool.

Spent a 4th on Trey Lance without consulting anyone.
Chase Young just went for a 3rd.
Rasul Douglas and a 5th went for a 3rd.

He has a unique philosophy.

The Redskins weren't trading their players to the Cowboys (or the Eagles). The Trey Lance trade is a bargain flyer.

Why do we need or want Rasul Douglas?

I was just merely pointing out there were deals to be made. The Jags got a quality offensive lineman for a 5th, who was a Top 10 PFF guy that last 2 years. Pretty sure you guys could use a quality offensive lineman, yeah?

Rasul Douglas is the #1 PFF rated CB (you might be as surprised as me to hear that, but is what it is).

And I agree with you, the Redskins weren't gonna give you guys Chase Young.

Jerry seems to think the roster is set, and that is fine. I feel everyone else, including the guys I have known my entire life that are Cowboys fans, disagree.

 

[Ack88]

Well that was fun

Typical Jerry Jones FA splash - win now mode, does nothing to improve his roster that has seen it's fair share of injuries.

Cool.

Spent a 4th on Trey Lance without consulting anyone.
Chase Young just went for a 3rd.
Rasul Douglas and a 5th went for a 3rd.

He has a unique philosophy.

The Redskins weren't trading their players to the Cowboys (or the Eagles). The Trey Lance trade is a bargain flyer.

Why do we need or want Rasul Douglas?

I was just merely pointing out there were deals to be made. The Jags got a quality offensive lineman for a 5th, who was a Top 10 PFF guy that last 2 years. Pretty sure you guys could use a quality offensive lineman, yeah?

Rasul Douglas is the #1 PFF rated CB (you might be as surprised as me to hear that, but is what it is).

And I agree with you, the Redskins weren't gonna give you guys Chase Young.

Jerry seems to think the roster is set, and that is fine. I feel everyone else, including the guys I have known my entire life that are Cowboys fans, disagree.

No contending team can ever just say “our roster is set.”

That’s absurd. Your job as gm is to burn those phone lines and explore everything.

Perhaps JJ was looking to build confidence amongst the current roster, but you don’t show your hand until all the cards have been played.

 

[Terpman22]

Well that was fun

Typical Jerry Jones FA splash - win now mode, does nothing to improve his roster that has seen it's fair share of injuries.

Cool.

Spent a 4th on Trey Lance without consulting anyone.
Chase Young just went for a 3rd.
Rasul Douglas and a 5th went for a 3rd.

He has a unique philosophy.

The Redskins weren't trading their players to the Cowboys (or the Eagles). The Trey Lance trade is a bargain flyer.

Why do we need or want Rasul Douglas?

I was just merely pointing out there were deals to be made. The Jags got a quality offensive lineman for a 5th, who was a Top 10 PFF guy that last 2 years. Pretty sure you guys could use a quality offensive lineman, yeah?

Rasul Douglas is the #1 PFF rated CB (you might be as surprised as me to hear that, but is what it is).

And I agree with you, the Redskins weren't gonna give you guys Chase Young.

Jerry seems to think the roster is set, and that is fine. I feel everyone else, including the guys I have known my entire life that are Cowboys fans, disagree.

No contending team can ever just say “our roster is set.”

That’s absurd. Your job as gm is to burn those phone lines and explore everything.

Perhaps JJ was looking to build confidence amongst the current roster, but you don’t show your hand until all the cards have been played.

I feel this. He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Seems like an odd style for improving your roster, waiting on other teams to offer players.

But I digress.

Would love to hear some thoughts on what it would take for you guys to win this weekend. What needs to happen, what can't happen, etc.

I would say that if they go to a quick passing game like Washington + Howell did, we might be in trouble. And I'd throw it to James Bradberry's direction all day long. Something is just off with him, seems disinterested and not really playing close at all to where he was last year.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

 

[Terpman22]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

Even if the man said it himself??!?

 

[Football Jones]

It’s amazing how many people form opinions from quotes without context (& that’s even if the quote was accurate or taken out context, itself). Greg Olsen addressed this very thing on the broadcast.

He essentially said don’t worry about what JJ is saying publicly about whether they’re looking to make deals, etc. There’s a lot of gamesmanship & other dynamics that go into getting something done. The Cowboys could’ve been burning up the phone lines regardless of what the perception is.

Ol’ Jerry didn’t get where he is by being dumb. His team has a stacked roster & is known for the being the best talent evaluators in the game. The NFL hasn’t passed him by like it has others. He’s not perfect, but no GM is.

The main takeaway here is don’t be so gullible & suck up everything you hear, especially as far as the NFL goes, as well as life, in general.

 

[G-King]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

Even if the man said it himself??!?

And you believe that to be true? With Jerry? Oh man, no offense but that’s some serious gullibility.

 

[Terpman22]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

Even if the man said it himself??!?

And you believe that to be true? With Jerry? Oh man, no offense but that’s some serious gullibility.

Actions speak louder than words and well, the only deal he made was a 4th for Trey Lance a while back.

So I take him at his word if that's how it played out.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

Even if the man said it himself??!?

Seriously?

Yes

Can’t believe you’re asking honestly

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

Even if the man said it himself??!?

Seriously?

Yes

Jerry trolls yet another again and again. It’s an art form really.

 

[Terpman22]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

Even if the man said it himself??!?

Seriously?

Yes

Jerry trolls yet another again and again. It’s an art form really.

I mean, I really don't care. He's not addressing Eagles fan in his pressers and interviews. I suspect its the Dallas fanbase and media, but if you are used to that, I believe you. My peeps are too.

 

[Football Jones]

Bunch of ways this could go (obviously). One thing I like is Hurts' declining rushing ability. I know he's dinged, but I was shocked how Hurts looked early on. He wasn't running like the same guy from just last season. Some players simply lose their wheels early in their careers. Maybe that's it or he might be getting too bulky from squatting. Maybe Sirianni is forcing him to squat 600 so he's good at the Sneaky Sneak.

That said, despite Hurts' middling arm talent, he's got premier weapons that help him overcome it. Gotta keep a lid on those guys. We need to get protection & test that secondary of theirs.

Long-term, Hurts is going to be less & less effective as his wheels decline over time. At some point, the running ability can't compensate for the lack of arm talent & you get a tipping point. Happens to all of them eventually.

 

[Terpman22]

Bunch of ways this could go (obviously). One thing I like is Hurts' declining rushing ability. I know he's dinged, but I was shocked how Hurts looked even early in the season. Didn't look like the same guy from just last season. Some guys simply lose their wheels early in their careers. Maybe that's it or he might be getting too bulky from squatting. Maybe Sirianni is forcing him to squat 600 so he's good at the Sneaky Sneak.

That said, despite Hurts' middling arm talent, he's got premier weapons that help him overcome it. Gotta keep a lid on those guys. We need to get protection & test that secondary of theirs.

Long-term, Hurts is going to be less & less effective as his wheels decline over time. At some point, the running ability can't compensate for the lack of arm talent & you get a tipping point. Happens to all of them eventually.

Lot of shade thrown at Jalen Hurts. I'm here for it. AJ Brown had a career high of 1075 yards WR and 11 TDs before he came to Philly. First year with Hurts he broke the Eagles receiving yards records and had 11 touchdowns. And that is with Devonta Smith having 1196 yards himself as well. Also has a 30-12 record in his first 42 starts. Guessing Dak wasn't quite at that winning % his first 42 games, despite starting his career 13-3. And for anyone saying "loaded team" the year Jalen was drafted, the team went 4-11-1. And then started 2021 with a completely new HC/DC/OC.

Now is the team loaded now, sure. That's testament to Howie Roseman doing what he does and adding premium players all over the place with any method possible.

And before we go too far down this road, I'd like to hear your best 3-5 QB's in the league without good WRs. You can start with Patrick Mahomes, and go from there.

 

[Football Jones]

Bunch of ways this could go (obviously). One thing I like is Hurts' declining rushing ability. I know he's dinged, but I was shocked how Hurts looked even early in the season. Didn't look like the same guy from just last season. Some guys simply lose their wheels early in their careers. Maybe that's it or he might be getting too bulky from squatting. Maybe Sirianni is forcing him to squat 600 so he's good at the Sneaky Sneak.

That said, despite Hurts' middling arm talent, he's got premier weapons that help him overcome it. Gotta keep a lid on those guys. We need to get protection & test that secondary of theirs.

Long-term, Hurts is going to be less & less effective as his wheels decline over time. At some point, the running ability can't compensate for the lack of arm talent & you get a tipping point. Happens to all of them eventually.

Lot of shade thrown at Jalen Hurts. I'm here for it. AJ Brown had a career high of 1075 yards WR and 11 TDs before he came to Philly. First year with Hurts he broke the Eagles receiving yards records and had 11 touchdowns. And that is with Devonta Smith having 1196 yards himself as well. Also has a 30-12 record in his first 42 starts. Guessing Dak wasn't quite at that winning % his first 42 games, despite starting his career 13-3. And for anyone saying "loaded team" the year Jalen was drafted, the team went 4-11-1. And then started 2021 with a completely new HC/DC/OC.

Now is the team loaded now, sure. That's testament to Howie Roseman doing what he does and adding premium players all over the place with any method possible.

And before we go too far down this road, I'd like to hear your best 3-5 QB's in the league without good WRs. You can start with Patrick Mahomes, and go from there.

I think you’re taking the Hurts shade the wrong way. I’m not the only who feels the same. Loss of elite running ability for a QB with middling (or average) arm talent is a real concern for your franchise in the coming years. As a Cowboys fan, I admit I love it, but that’s to be expected.

Nothing was said about your team or Roseman. It was just an observation about Hurts.

Good luck this week (not).

 

[Terpman22]

Bunch of ways this could go (obviously). One thing I like is Hurts' declining rushing ability. I know he's dinged, but I was shocked how Hurts looked even early in the season. Didn't look like the same guy from just last season. Some guys simply lose their wheels early in their careers. Maybe that's it or he might be getting too bulky from squatting. Maybe Sirianni is forcing him to squat 600 so he's good at the Sneaky Sneak.

That said, despite Hurts' middling arm talent, he's got premier weapons that help him overcome it. Gotta keep a lid on those guys. We need to get protection & test that secondary of theirs.

Long-term, Hurts is going to be less & less effective as his wheels decline over time. At some point, the running ability can't compensate for the lack of arm talent & you get a tipping point. Happens to all of them eventually.

Lot of shade thrown at Jalen Hurts. I'm here for it. AJ Brown had a career high of 1075 yards WR and 11 TDs before he came to Philly. First year with Hurts he broke the Eagles receiving yards records and had 11 touchdowns. And that is with Devonta Smith having 1196 yards himself as well. Also has a 30-12 record in his first 42 starts. Guessing Dak wasn't quite at that winning % his first 42 games, despite starting his career 13-3. And for anyone saying "loaded team" the year Jalen was drafted, the team went 4-11-1. And then started 2021 with a completely new HC/DC/OC.

Now is the team loaded now, sure. That's testament to Howie Roseman doing what he does and adding premium players all over the place with any method possible.

And before we go too far down this road, I'd like to hear your best 3-5 QB's in the league without good WRs. You can start with Patrick Mahomes, and go from there.

I think you’re taking the Hurts shade the wrong way. I’m not the only who feels the same. Loss of elite running ability for a QB with middling (or average) arm talent is a real concern for your franchise in the coming years. As a Cowboys fan, I admit I love it, but that’s to be expected.

Nothing was said about your team or Roseman. It was just an observation about Hurts.

Good luck this week (not).

Ok fair enough. "How far you can throw a ball" only takes you so far. Hurts drops the deep ball with the best of em. How far is "arm talent" taking Zach Wilson, for instance?

I'd say Dak and Hurts probably have about the same level of "arm talent" do you disagree?

And that's fine if you are waiting for Hurts' demise. He's 5 years younger than Dak, and while he is hobbled this year a bit, I'm not seeing him going anywhere any time real soon.

Nice chatting with you though.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

think you’re taking the Hurts shade the wrong way

You new here ??

 

[Cowboysfan8]

He literally was on record stating, and I paraphrase "We like our roster but anything can happen. But I'm not making calls to teams, they can call us"

Don’t believe everything you read/hear

Even if the man said it himself??!?

Seriously?

Yes

Jerry trolls yet another again and again. It’s an art form really.

I mean, I really don't care. He's not addressing Eagles fan in his pressers and interviews. I suspect its the Dallas fanbase and media, but if you are used to that, I believe you. My peeps are too.

I mean, I really don’t care either.
If you believe what Jerry Jones says in an interview about whether they’re going to trade for someone, or if it’s raining outside or not , or whatever…that’s on you bud

 

[Football Jones]

To comment further, the "science" behind my statement is the less DCs have to contend with Hurts' wheels, the more assets they can use on stopping their air attack.

Maybe he's been hiding an injury all season, but Hurts just doesn't look like the same runner as he was earlier in his career. He's gone from averaging mid-high 5 YPC in '21 to mid-high 4 last year to under 4 this season. I can see running less, but not that much decline in production. Something is going on.

It might not be as noticeable as a RB who loses his legs & falls off a cliff, but it's still telling about his future. At some point, it's going to be all about his arm & I'm not sure he's up to the task (like some other notable QBs). It's going to be key for Hurts to be able to continue to threaten Ds with his legs. The decline seems to be happening pretty fast so not sure what to think.

 

[need2know]

To comment further, the "science" behind my statement is the less DCs have to contend with Hurts' wheels, the more assets they can use on stopping their air attack.

Maybe he's been hiding an injury all season, but Hurts just doesn't look like the same runner as he was earlier in his career. He's gone from averaging mid-high 5 YPC in '21 to mid-high 4 last year to under 4 this season. I can see running less, but not that much decline in production. Something is going on.

It might not be as noticeable as a RB who loses his legs & falls off a cliff, but it's still telling about his future. At some point, it's going to be all about his arm & I'm not sure he's up to the task (like some other notable QBs). It's going to be key for Hurts to be able to continue to threaten Ds with his legs. The decline seems to be happening pretty fast so not sure what to think.

Ha. Let's see how hurts does this weekend

 

[Football Jones]

To comment further, the "science" behind my statement is the less DCs have to contend with Hurts' wheels, the more assets they can use on stopping their air attack.

Maybe he's been hiding an injury all season, but Hurts just doesn't look like the same runner as he was earlier in his career. He's gone from averaging mid-high 5 YPC in '21 to mid-high 4 last year to under 4 this season. I can see running less, but not that much decline in production. Something is going on.

It might not be as noticeable as a RB who loses his legs & falls off a cliff, but it's still telling about his future. At some point, it's going to be all about his arm & I'm not sure he's up to the task (like some other notable QBs). It's going to be key for Hurts to be able to continue to threaten Ds with his legs. The decline seems to be happening pretty fast so not sure what to think.

Ha. Let's see how hurts does this weekend

Hurts has a lot of weapons to work with. He certainly could do well, but my take is more about his future.

I like Jalen as a person (being a Sooners fan), but I'm fading his NFL prospects unless I see those wheels again. For one, he won't always have Kelce & Lane (they're getting up there).

 

[eighsse2]

He's gone from averaging mid-high 5 YPC in '21 to mid-high 4 last year to under 4 this season. I can see running less, but not that much decline in production. Something is going on.

Well if he does fewer actual "run" runs, then the tush pushes make up a bigger percentage of his total rushing plays. Obviously that will bring down his ypc. I wonder how his ypc look season by season if you remove tush pushes.