Danieal Manning DB Ranking (1 Viewer)

[Regis]

I just noticed Manning is now #12 on John Morton's rankings. Is this correct? He's still listed as a backup on the depth charts.

I'm in a draft where 60 DB's have gone off the board and Manning is still available. Should I be jumping all over that???

 

[brakeyawself]

I just noticed Manning is now #12 on John Morton's rankings. Is this correct? He's still listed as a backup on the depth charts. I'm in a draft where 60 DB's have gone off the board and Manning is still available. Should I be jumping all over that???

Yea , I have Brown on my team. Should I drop him and grab manning or harris? Or will he be back making this all moot?

 

[nortobc]

Color me stupid, but who is Daniel Manning?

 

[Regis]

I would think his value can only go up that high if Mike Brown is out for the season. Last I heard they didn't know how long he was going to be out. The rankings still have Brown at the #15 DB. That's what made me wonder if it was an error....

 

[Jene Bramel]

Manning is a rookie safety, drafted by the Bears in the second round this year. He was a highly thought of small school college player and he moves into a starting role with Brown out. Many thought he'd have worked his way into the FS role at some point during the season anyway.

Norton is a safety guy, so it's no surprise he's bumped him so highly. It hasn't been confirmed that Brown is out for any stretch of regular season time yet, but you have to be pretty leery of a guy who's already having discomfort in a repaired Achilles tendon.

The SS spot is probably the more valuable of the two in Chicago, but Chris Harris really isn't anything special. Lovie Smith likes to use his safeties aggressively and if Manning proves himself valuable in pass rush or run support, he may put up some big numbers.

I don't know that I'd overpay in a redraft league just yet, but he should've been rostered in all dynasty leagues with a reasonable number of roster spots already. I don't think I'd drop Brown yet, but you have to be a little skeptical that he'll be ready for the regular season.

 

[brakeyawself]

Not to mention last I heard Harris had moved in to SS while Brown is out and Manning to FS. I could be wrong though.

 

[boubucarow]

Not to mention last I heard Harris had moved in to SS while Brown is out and Manning to FS. I could be wrong though.

I am a bears fan that watched every single game they played last year and I know that if Brown is injured then Harris should be moved to SS unless Manning doesn't prove he is a capable centerfield FS. If Manning proves to be a good centerfield FS, then Harris will be the SS this year. If Brown is healthy and Manning proves good, then expect Harris to be benched either before the season or early in the season so that Manning could be the FS. Harris is a good in the box tackler but is not a good centerfielder so I hope that Manning proves enough to replace him.

 

[Regis]

Thanks for all the good, fast replies. I'm going to hold off adding him to my team, but will keep him on my radar....

 

[The Gator]

Picked him up with the last pick in our rookie draft.

 

[cr8f]

Norton is a safety guy, so it's no surprise he's bumped him so highly. It hasn't been confirmed that Brown is out for any stretch of regular season time yet, but you have to be pretty leery of a guy who's already having discomfort in a repaired Achilles tendon.

No wonder he has Pollard so high.

 

[brakeyawself]

I think Im going to add Manning and drop Brown anyway. Im sure someone will pick him up, and then he'll get injured again. Either way Im only gonna take like a 15% drop in production between the two. I think thats worth my gamble since its a dynasty league and I cant stand fearing injuries.

 

[lions327]

I think Im going to add Manning and drop Brown anyway. Im sure someone will pick him up, and then he'll get injured again. Either way Im only gonna take like a 15% drop in production between the two. I think thats worth my gamble since its a dynasty league and I cant stand fearing injuries.

Do you have any other players you could drop besides Brown? I'm not so sure dropping him is a good idea right now.

 

[brakeyawself]

I think Im going to add Manning and drop Brown anyway. Im sure someone will pick him up, and then he'll get injured again. Either way Im only gonna take like a 15% drop in production between the two. I think thats worth my gamble since its a dynasty league and I cant stand fearing injuries.

Do you have any other players you could drop besides Brown? I'm not so sure dropping him is a good idea right now.

I could drop Vasher, Bernard Pollard, or Jason Allen. I like Pollard and Allen better long term. Vasher I think I can get more for in a trade than Brown. I could be wrong about that though. Brown worries me. And from the way my trade proposals have gone. He worries a lot of people. So I dont know. I picked up Manning and dropped Brandon Marshall though. I have enough young WR's and he just got injured. Now im just trying to include Brown in some trades. I start 3 DB. So right now my starters are Vasher, Brown, and Gibril Wilson.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I think Im going to add Manning and drop Brown anyway. Im sure someone will pick him up, and then he'll get injured again. Either way Im only gonna take like a 15% drop in production between the two. I think thats worth my gamble since its a dynasty league and I cant stand fearing injuries.

Do you have any other players you could drop besides Brown? I'm not so sure dropping him is a good idea right now.

I could drop Vasher, Bernard Pollard, or Jason Allen. I like Pollard and Allen better long term. Vasher I think I can get more for in a trade than Brown. I could be wrong about that though. Brown worries me. And from the way my trade proposals have gone. He worries a lot of people. So I dont know. I picked up Manning and dropped Brandon Marshall though. I have enough young WR's and he just got injured. Now im just trying to include Brown in some trades.

No reason to keep Vasher around unless you're in a deep league that starts corners as a separate position.

 

[brakeyawself]

I think Im going to add Manning and drop Brown anyway. Im sure someone will pick him up, and then he'll get injured again. Either way Im only gonna take like a 15% drop in production between the two. I think thats worth my gamble since its a dynasty league and I cant stand fearing injuries.

Do you have any other players you could drop besides Brown? I'm not so sure dropping him is a good idea right now.

I could drop Vasher, Bernard Pollard, or Jason Allen. I like Pollard and Allen better long term. Vasher I think I can get more for in a trade than Brown. I could be wrong about that though. Brown worries me. And from the way my trade proposals have gone. He worries a lot of people. So I dont know. I picked up Manning and dropped Brandon Marshall though. I have enough young WR's and he just got injured. Now im just trying to include Brown in some trades.

No reason to keep Vasher around unless you're in a deep league that starts corners as a separate position.

Well, in my league Tillman was the 2nd ranked DB last year. And Vasher had 50 fp higher than BRown. Interceptions count for 15 points. So ctampa 2 corners are pretty valuable.

 

[John Norton]

I was afraid something like this would happen

The news about Mike Brown's Achilles injury hit just as I was about to send my weekly projections update and the way the initial report read I took is as being a serious IE season ending injury. I am very high on Manning for the long term and believe a long term injury to Brown would put Manning in an exceptionally productive position as the Bears SS.

After sending up the projections I later learned that the injury is being called a "strain" at this point and Brown may not miss a great deal of time. I updated the projections accordingly and resent but unfortunately those have not yet been uploaded, thus Manning is way up on the list while Brown is gone all together.

In short, if you have spare roster space grab Manning and tuck him away as he has great potential.

Don't go out and cut someone like Bernard Pollard but I would pick Manning over Jason Allen in a heartbeat. Can you remember the last Miami DB who was worth having on a roster? I've been doing IDP for 14 years now and I can't think of one. On the other hand the Bears have placed safeties in the top 10 several times in recent years.

Sorry for the confusion on this guys. I was just trying to get the most up to date projections possible out there. If I hadn't made the change and Brown was out I would have taken flack for having him ranked while on IR. Sometimes we just can't win you know

 

[brakeyawself]

I was afraid something like this would happen The news about Mike Brown's Achilles injury hit just as I was about to send my weekly projections update and the way the initial report read I took is as being a serious IE season ending injury. I am very high on Manning for the long term and believe a long term injury to Brown would put Manning in an exceptionally productive position as the Bears SS. After sending up the projections I later learned that the injury is being called a "strain" at this point and Brown may not miss a great deal of time. I updated the projections accordingly and resent but unfortunately those have not yet been uploaded, thus Manning is way up on the list while Brown is gone all together. In short, if you have spare roster space grab Manning and tuck him away as he has great potential. Don't go out and cut someone like Bernard Pollard but I would pick Manning over Jason Allen in a heartbeat. Can you remember the last Miami DB who was worth having on a roster? I've been doing IDP for 14 years now and I can't think of one. On the other hand the Bears have placed safeties in the top 10 several times in recent years. Sorry for the confusion on this guys. I was just trying to get the most up to date projections possible out there. If I hadn't made the change and Brown was out I would have taken flack for having him ranked while on IR. Sometimes we just can't win you know

Yea.. hmm thats a whole nother dillema I really liked Allen, or at least what HE brings to the table. Brodney Pool is available though so maybe ill make an Allen for Pool switch. (Boo to sean jones.)

 

[boubucarow]

One

Two Half way down the page to training camp battles. Brad Biggs is the Chicago Sun-Times Bears writer.

Three Bears in the fifth paragraph.

Four

Below is part of the fourth article.

August 16, 2006

BOURBONNAIS -- Danieal Manning just became the most important Bears rookie since Mike Brown. With Brown down again, Manning is forced to learn as fast as he runs.

Nobody knows exactly how long Brown's inflamed left Achilles' tendon will sideline him.

Second-year man Chris Harris moves from free safety to Brown's strong safety spot while Manning stays at free safety. The future is now.

"We really like what we're getting from Danieal Manning right now," defensive coordinator Ron Rivera said. "The kid's an athlete. He has speed that we haven't had back there in a long time. When I'm talking speed, I'm talking great speed."

As for Harris, Rivera says, "He might be better suited as a strong safety."

MY VIEW: The Bears gave up a ton of big passing plays last year and a large part of the blame falls on their safeties. For every big play where Tillman was burnt, there was another where Chris Harris was late. I have been posting this since draft talk started. Harris is a quality safety but does not have the speed to play deep center field.The Bears do not always play conventional cover two with both safeties back. Mike Brown was often in the box and sometimes was blitzing. Brown is tremendous in the box and very astute in coverage but also lacks speed so he played strong safety. Harris is very similar to Brown in that he is very competent in the box but he sometimes was out of position in the secondary and does not have the speed to make it up.

If Brown does not play, Danieal Manning will be given every opportunity to start day 1 at free safety while Harris becomes the new strong safety. If Brown does play, it is Manning vs Harris for free safety. And the Bears are hoping Manning wins that job.

Going into the draft, I repeatedly stated the Bears were looking at FS. Then they take a DB who is very fast and a part time kick returner with their first pick. The best player in their secondary was their strong safety. Why did everyone assume Manning was a SS? Why would the make the second pick in their draft a backup to one of their best players? They took Manning to challenge Harris.

As for IDP, if Brown is out. Harris is a goldmine. Manning will be a fringe DB unless he pulls an Ed Reed 2004. Harris will be playing SS and will make a ton of tackles. However, if Brown is healthy. Brown is the beast and Harris is probably on the bench unless the team feels Mannings is not ready.

 

[boubucarow]

Additional link...

Bears Defensive Back Coach Steven Wilks

How would you assess Chris Harris' performance last season and what does he need to improve on?

Just watching tape, you can tell that Chris is a smart guy. He picked things up quickly. He understands his limitations, so he puts himself in good position to make plays. I think that he has gotten better at the little things as far as his backpedal, staying deep and over the top, and always trying to break down hill. The biggest thing right now is just trying to get better with his explosiveness and quickness with his transition out of his breaks, and he understands that. That's one of the things that he's going to work on this summer. We're looking for Chris to build on what he did last year, just being the smart player that he is.

What have been your impressions of Danieal Manning and what will his role be this season?

As I told Danieal, the quicker that he can pick up the defense, the more beneficial it will be for him. He has all the tools and the skills to play safety. If we were short at corner, I would have no reservations about playing him at corner as well. He has that quick twitch that you're looking for back there. He has good closing speed and nice range on the ball.

 

[boubucarow]

One more... for now

Taken from a Chicago Bears Message Board

It appears that this was written by Brad Biggs of the Sun-Times again. Edited to add link to Sun-Times Article.

Rookie safety Manning giving in to instincts

August 14, 2006

BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- Rookie safety Danieal Manning said he didn't have any butterflies Friday night in his first pro football game.

But that was just his stomach. There was a lot going on in his head as the second-round pick from Abilene Christian said he has been thinking too much on the field. He let instinct take over during the end of practice Sunday night at Olivet Nazarene University, though, jumping a route run by Bernard Berrian to intercept quarterback Rex Grossman. There was nothing but daylight in front of Manning, who would've scored in a game. It's the kind of play the Bears are looking for from Manning, who they say has cornerback coverage skills.

''We had a good blitz call on, and coach [steve Wilks] told me they're going to throw that slant, anticipate it,'' Manning said. ''So I anticipated it and jumped on it.''

Manning got more work with the first team at free safety as Mike Brown was sidelined with what coach Lovie Smith described as a minor lower leg injury. Chris Harris moved over to strong safety. That has been the case several times in camp, and the exposure is only helping him.

''Athletic ability will only carry you so far,'' Manning said. ''You've got to know what you're doing. Now I have to be able to trust my instincts. I'm thinking too much out there, and I have to trust what I see and jump on it like I saw that interception earlier.''

 

[boubucarow]

I swear the last one and then I will let it go.

Chicago Sun-Times Article

Manning was drafted to give the Bears more speed in the secondary and he has already flashed excellent ball skills and better range as a free safety than Brown or Harris. Manning has the speed and range to help over the top and at least run a player out of bounds if he happens to catch a deep ball against one of the Bears cornerbacks such as Charles Tillman. He can offer a dimension that guys like Sean Taylor and Nick Collins bring to Washington and Green Bay.

But the real concern with Manning is how he will adapt in run support. At 5-11, 196 pounds, Manning is not going to be the guy filling up the box when the Bears move a safety down. But there is also a concern with the different angles he'll face at the NFL level, how well he'll fill his gaps and whether he's a solid enough tackler in the open field.

By Mike Mulligan of the Sun Times.

 

[boubucarow]

Exhibit S

Manning started at free safety against the Chargers and played deep most of the time. Harris often playing near the box and blitzed on occasion.

I repeat. If Brown is out, Chris Harris is the Bears safety to target. Manning will be a marginal IDP starter. Harris will be a top 10 IDP DB if Brown is out all year.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Exhibit SManning started at free safety against the Chargers and played deep most of the time. Harris often playing near the box and blitzed on occasion.I repeat. If Brown is out, Chris Harris is the Bears safety to target. Manning will be a marginal IDP starter. Harris will be a top 10 IDP DB if Brown is out all year.