Daryl Smith at WLB (1 Viewer)

[brakeyawself]

I like this guy. I think he's a really good pass rusher and tackler. now that hes the wsl in jax, anyone have any insight as to his upside? I think he could finish a top 25 lb. but thats just my take. Especially if hes playing 3 downs.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

I like this guy. I think he's a really good pass rusher and tackler. now that hes the wsl in jax, anyone have any insight as to his upside? I think he could finish a top 25 lb. but thats just my take. Especially if hes playing 3 downs.

Daryl Smith is the Jags' SLB. Griesen, Pat Thomas and Clint Ingram are in a three way battle for the WLB slot. Griesen had a solid outing last night, especially in run support where he was able to clog up lanes and made a few big stuffs. However, his ability to defend the short-medium passing routes are in question (burned at least once Week 1). As of now, Griesen probably has the inside track to starting with Pat Thomas comming in second. Until Ingram hits the playing field, nobody can reasonably expect him to make an impact.

 

[brakeyawself]

I like this guy. I think he's a really good pass rusher and tackler. now that hes the wsl in jax, anyone have any insight as to his upside? I think he could finish a top 25 lb. but thats just my take. Especially if hes playing 3 downs.

Daryl Smith is the Jags' SLB. Griesen, Pat Thomas and Clint Ingram are in a three way battle for the WLB slot. Griesen had a solid outing last night, especially in run support where he was able to clog up lanes and made a few big stuffs. However, his ability to defend the short-medium passing routes are in question (burned at least once Week 1). As of now, Griesen probably has the inside track to starting with Pat Thomas comming in second. Until Ingram hits the playing field, nobody can reasonably expect him to make an impact.

ahh damn. i must have been reading the wrong depth charts. kffl has him listed at wsl. they usually update pretty regularly. hmm.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

I like this guy. I think he's a really good pass rusher and tackler. now that hes the wsl in jax, anyone have any insight as to his upside? I think he could finish a top 25 lb. but thats just my take. Especially if hes playing 3 downs.

Daryl Smith is the Jags' SLB. Griesen, Pat Thomas and Clint Ingram are in a three way battle for the WLB slot. Griesen had a solid outing last night, especially in run support where he was able to clog up lanes and made a few big stuffs. However, his ability to defend the short-medium passing routes are in question (burned at least once Week 1). As of now, Griesen probably has the inside track to starting with Pat Thomas comming in second. Until Ingram hits the playing field, nobody can reasonably expect him to make an impact.

ahh damn. i must have been reading the wrong depth charts. kffl has him listed at wsl. they usually update pretty regularly. hmm.

ah yes. i think ourlads does too. time for updating.

 

[brakeyawself]

well either way fbg has him listed as #42 in their idp dynasty rankings. so I guess that's good.... also nfl.com has him listed as the left side linebacker, so does fox sports i think. and i thought left side was weak side...

 

[No. 16]

Thought Smith was the WLB and like others have said everywhere else it has listed him so.

 

[brakeyawself]

Thought Smith was the WLB and like others have said everywhere else it has listed him so.

Yea, even FBG has him listed as W/S. Not either or. Not to mention he'll be the second 3 down backer either way. But I really dont know enough about the Jacksonville system to know what their WSL and SSL really means. I also dont really know enough about Smith to have incite into his upside, potential, or production level, aside from a couple of games i caught last year, and what ive been reading this week. actually Jene, if you can, i respect your opinion a lot in this forum. can you tell me anything about this guy? will he ever move to mlb, or anything like that? hehe, sorry to single you out, but you're great for this stuff.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

The plans are for him to move to WLB eventually, but I think this plan was derailed for some time due to instability at the other position- they were expecting Ingram to come in and push for the spot immediately, but as such, no player has distinguished himself from the pack (Griesen may have done that yesterday). When they want is for Clint Ingram to play up to his merits- and then for him to make the transition to SLB. Ingram is a great tackler and solid in run support but lacks the dynamic ability or speed to pressure the QB. On the other hand, Smith has all the tools needed and is a better fit at WLB. Could be a huge force from that position. But they need Ingram to make the transition. Smith is also an excellent tackler and they dont want the risk of having a question mark at SLB by moving him.Heres something that may clear it up:

David from Port Orange, FL: How simple or difficult will it be for Daryl Smith to switch positions? Isn't it completely different to play weakside?Vic: The Jaguars outside linebackers are interchangeable. That's by design. The outside linebackers aren't designated strongside or weakside because the outside linebackers will have to play both roles. What role they play is determined by the front the Jaguars are in. If the Jaguars are in an “over” front, the linebacker who would normally be the weakside linebacker becomes the strongside linebacker. If the Jaguars are in an “under” front, the roles are normal. It has to do with the strong safety's assignment in each defensive alignment. “Over” means overshifted to the tight end side. If Clint Ingram wins what is considered to be the strongside job and Daryl Smith is moved to what is normally considered to be the weakside position, Smith is the strongside (Sam) backer in an “over” front and Ingram is the weakside (Wil) backer. In an “under” front, Ingram is Sam and Smith is Wil. Fans are putting too much emphasis on this Sam/Wil thing. You have to know the defensive set before you can know who's Sam and who's Wil. The Jaguars linebackers are cross-trained. They can play both roles. That's why it's not important.

 

[brakeyawself]

The plans are for him to move to WLB eventually, but I think this plan was derailed for some time due to instability at the other position- they were expecting Ingram to come in and push for the spot immediately, but as such, no player has distinguished himself from the pack (Griesen may have done that yesterday). When they want is for Clint Ingram to play up to his merits- and then for him to make the transition to SLB. Ingram is a great tackler and solid in run support but lacks the dynamic ability or speed to pressure the QB. On the other hand, Smith has all the tools needed and is a better fit at WLB. Could be a huge force from that position. But they need Ingram to make the transition. Smith is also an excellent tackler and they dont want the risk of having a question mark at SLB by moving him.Heres something that may clear it up:

David from Port Orange, FL: How simple or difficult will it be for Daryl Smith to switch positions? Isn't it completely different to play weakside?Vic: The Jaguars outside linebackers are interchangeable. That's by design. The outside linebackers aren't designated strongside or weakside because the outside linebackers will have to play both roles. What role they play is determined by the front the Jaguars are in. If the Jaguars are in an “over” front, the linebacker who would normally be the weakside linebacker becomes the strongside linebacker. If the Jaguars are in an “under” front, the roles are normal. It has to do with the strong safety's assignment in each defensive alignment. “Over” means overshifted to the tight end side. If Clint Ingram wins what is considered to be the strongside job and Daryl Smith is moved to what is normally considered to be the weakside position, Smith is the strongside (Sam) backer in an “over” front and Ingram is the weakside (Wil) backer. In an “under” front, Ingram is Sam and Smith is Wil. Fans are putting too much emphasis on this Sam/Wil thing. You have to know the defensive set before you can know who's Sam and who's Wil. The Jaguars linebackers are cross-trained. They can play both roles. That's why it's not important.

Awsome info. I think im gonna keep this guy in my dynasty league over Leroy Hill now. Was trying to decide which one to trade.

 

[Jene Bramel]

The plans are for him to move to WLB eventually, but I think this plan was derailed for some time due to instability at the other position- they were expecting Ingram to come in and push for the spot immediately, but as such, no player has distinguished himself from the pack (Griesen may have done that yesterday). When they want is for Clint Ingram to play up to his merits- and then for him to make the transition to SLB. Ingram is a great tackler and solid in run support but lacks the dynamic ability or speed to pressure the QB. On the other hand, Smith has all the tools needed and is a better fit at WLB. Could be a huge force from that position. But they need Ingram to make the transition. Smith is also an excellent tackler and they dont want the risk of having a question mark at SLB by moving him.Heres something that may clear it up:

David from Port Orange, FL: How simple or difficult will it be for Daryl Smith to switch positions? Isn't it completely different to play weakside?Vic: The Jaguars outside linebackers are interchangeable. That's by design. The outside linebackers aren't designated strongside or weakside because the outside linebackers will have to play both roles. What role they play is determined by the front the Jaguars are in. If the Jaguars are in an “over” front, the linebacker who would normally be the weakside linebacker becomes the strongside linebacker. If the Jaguars are in an “under” front, the roles are normal. It has to do with the strong safety's assignment in each defensive alignment. “Over” means overshifted to the tight end side. If Clint Ingram wins what is considered to be the strongside job and Daryl Smith is moved to what is normally considered to be the weakside position, Smith is the strongside (Sam) backer in an “over” front and Ingram is the weakside (Wil) backer. In an “under” front, Ingram is Sam and Smith is Wil. Fans are putting too much emphasis on this Sam/Wil thing. You have to know the defensive set before you can know who's Sam and who's Wil. The Jaguars linebackers are cross-trained. They can play both roles. That's why it's not important.

Great find, nshelat1. Really good stuff for those of us who use scheme assignments and responsiblities as a big part of projecting player values. Would you mind sharing the link so we'll know who this Vic character might be and can watch out for future information.While this may be a bit technical for IDP purposes, it highlights the important point. The Jags play in a right-left alignment, rather than weak-strong. I'm don't think the commentary about over/under shifts has much to do with things for our purposes -- that's more important to defensive line alignment -- the backers and safeties are either playing over the strong side of the offensive formation or they're not.In any event, what's important for 2006 is that Daryl Smith's role probably has changed a bit. Smith was the right side OLB in 2005; this season both NFL.com gamebooks show him starting on the left side of the defensive alignment. Which is where the confusion comes in and suggests that he'll spend a higher percentage of the time on the strong side of the defensive formation during most games. And that suggests he'll be a good, but inconsistent player again in 2006.With regard to his future prospects, it had been rumored early this offseason that the Jags were considering moving Mike Peterson back to the outside to make better use of his all-around skills. There was speculation here that Smith would move inside should that happen. That talk is pretty much dead at this point. IMO, I'm not sure how the OLB role can better highlight the all-around talents of a player who filled up the stat sheets with 132 tackles, six sacks, three picks, and six passes defended. The current scheme seems to be working just fine.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

The plans are for him to move to WLB eventually, but I think this plan was derailed for some time due to instability at the other position- they were expecting Ingram to come in and push for the spot immediately, but as such, no player has distinguished himself from the pack (Griesen may have done that yesterday).

When they want is for Clint Ingram to play up to his merits- and then for him to make the transition to SLB. Ingram is a great tackler and solid in run support but lacks the dynamic ability or speed to pressure the QB. On the other hand, Smith has all the tools needed and is a better fit at WLB. Could be a huge force from that position. But they need Ingram to make the transition. Smith is also an excellent tackler and they dont want the risk of having a question mark at SLB by moving him.

Heres something that may clear it up:

David from Port Orange, FL: How simple or difficult will it be for Daryl Smith to switch positions? Isn't it completely different to play weakside?

Vic: The Jaguars outside linebackers are interchangeable. That's by design. The outside linebackers aren't designated strongside or weakside because the outside linebackers will have to play both roles. What role they play is determined by the front the Jaguars are in. If the Jaguars are in an “over” front, the linebacker who would normally be the weakside linebacker becomes the strongside linebacker. If the Jaguars are in an “under” front, the roles are normal. It has to do with the strong safety's assignment in each defensive alignment. “Over” means overshifted to the tight end side. If Clint Ingram wins what is considered to be the strongside job and Daryl Smith is moved to what is normally considered to be the weakside position, Smith is the strongside (Sam) backer in an “over” front and Ingram is the weakside (Wil) backer. In an “under” front, Ingram is Sam and Smith is Wil. Fans are putting too much emphasis on this Sam/Wil thing. You have to know the defensive set before you can know who's Sam and who's Wil. The Jaguars linebackers are cross-trained. They can play both roles. That's why it's not important.

Great find, nshelat1. Really good stuff for those of us who use scheme assignments and responsiblities as a big part of projecting player values. Would you mind sharing the link so we'll know who this Vic character might be and can watch out for future information.While this may be a bit technical for IDP purposes, it highlights the important point. The Jags play in a right-left alignment, rather than weak-strong. I'm don't think the commentary about over/under shifts has much to do with things for our purposes -- that's more important to defensive line alignment -- the backers and safeties are either playing over the strong side of the offensive formation or they're not.

In any event, what's important for 2006 is that Daryl Smith's role probably has changed a bit. Smith was the right side OLB in 2005; this season both NFL.com gamebooks show him starting on the left side of the defensive alignment. Which is where the confusion comes in and suggests that he'll spend a higher percentage of the time on the strong side of the defensive formation during most games. And that suggests he'll be a good, but inconsistent player again in 2006.

With regard to his future prospects, it had been rumored early this offseason that the Jags were considering moving Mike Peterson back to the outside to make better use of his all-around skills. There was speculation here that Smith would move inside should that happen. That talk is pretty much dead at this point. IMO, I'm not sure how the OLB role can better highlight the all-around talents of a player who filled up the stat sheets with 132 tackles, six sacks, three picks, and six passes defended. The current scheme seems to be working just fine.

Thanks Jene. Vic is a senior editor for Jaguars.com. Youll find some good info there on various occasions, and I love the Ask Vic segment where he fields questions on just about any topic. Particular story: http://www.jaguars.com/story/5203.asp

As for Smith shifting to Mike, those rumors were debunked earlier this offseason. But talk has been surfacing that the Jags DO plan on moving him to Mike upon Peterson's retirement or if they shift Peterson to WLB (IIRC his position in college). So to me, Daryl smith seems like a low-risk, medium upside guy with a long term potential to hit the jackpot.

The Jags are hoping, however, that Ingram will be able to be the longterm answer at strongside. He has decent zone-coverage skills, is instinctive and is able to lay the lumber- making him a glove fit for the strongside job. Smith's athleticism (played MLB in college) seems better fitted for pass rushing and the weakside job.