David Harris and Paul Posluszny (1 Viewer)

[money.never.sleeps]

Rated top 5-10 LB on FBG dynasty rankings...

David Harris : 5 total tackles today (5 solo).

Same with Posluszny.. 6 total tackles 3 solo.

Makes me question the hype from the truth. 2 guys who have started combined what 11 games in career yet are top 5-7 in LB rankings?

How does that make any sense but hype? Which does no good to anyone.

I know it's 1 game but its a 1/13th of what matters so do we chalk this up to a "so-so" productive day or just hype that needs serious adjustment?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Chalk it up to only being one game.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Borberly.. I'll give you this, you actually make more sense with rankings than some others but yea.. its one week..

Just wanted to bust balls.

Ruud did have nice game.. I have him in many league but Poz dissapointed me esp. with Crowell out.

Derrick Johnson also.. Lofton did decent, i think 6 tackles

John Norton, on otherhand...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Seahawks offense was pretty useless all day. Don't think Poz had too many opportunities. But, just look at the history of production from the Bills MLB position, including what John DiGiorgio did last year. The loss of Crowell is only going to help Poz's production.

As for Harris, I didn't see much but Barton had a pretty nice game next to him. Harris showed what he was capable of last season.

I still feel comfortable that both of these guys will meet preseason expectations by the time the season is over.

 

[TheArchitect]

Seahawks offense was pretty useless all day. Don't think Poz had too many opportunities. But, just look at the history of production from the Bills MLB position, including what John DiGiorgio did last year. The loss of Crowell is only going to help Poz's production.As for Harris, I didn't see much but Barton had a pretty nice game next to him. Harris showed what he was capable of last season.I still feel comfortable that both of these guys will meet preseason expectations by the time the season is over.

Based on the projections/hype, "preseason expectations" for Harris = TOP 3!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Based on the projections/hype, "preseason expectations" for Harris = TOP 3!

Favre trade might hurt him a little bit, but I think he'll still be a stud.

 

[TheArchitect]

Based on the projections/hype, "preseason expectations" for Harris = TOP 3!

Favre trade might hurt him a little bit, but I think he'll still be a stud.

Yes, the Favre factor could be a factor.. other teams won't be grinding sown the clock in the second half... BUT, wasn't that factored into Harris astronomical projections???

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Based on the projections/hype, "preseason expectations" for Harris = TOP 3!

Favre trade might hurt him a little bit, but I think he'll still be a stud.

Yes, the Favre factor could be a factor.. other teams won't be grinding sown the clock in the second half... BUT, wasn't that factored into Harris astronomical projections???

astronomical projections? he put up 75 solos and 5 sacks in 9 games last year. Norton and I had him projected for a little over 100 solos and 4 or 5 sacks.

 

[Rovers]

Borberly.. I'll give you this, you actually make more sense with rankings than some others but yea.. its one week.. Just wanted to bust balls. Ruud did have nice game.. I have him in many league but Poz dissapointed me esp. with Crowell out.Derrick Johnson also.. Lofton did decent, i think 6 tacklesJohn Norton, on otherhand...

Exactly.... you just wanted to bust balls. Tool.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Borberly.. I'll give you this, you actually make more sense with rankings than some others but yea.. its one week.. Just wanted to bust balls. Ruud did have nice game.. I have him in many league but Poz dissapointed me esp. with Crowell out.Derrick Johnson also.. Lofton did decent, i think 6 tacklesJohn Norton, on otherhand...

Exactly.... you just wanted to bust balls. Tool.

Always with the big words.....Point is the rankings are skewed based on REAL PRODUCTION.But thank you for the meaningless post.. least I have valid argument. You just posted to be an ########

 

[TheArchitect]

Based on the projections/hype, "preseason expectations" for Harris = TOP 3!

Favre trade might hurt him a little bit, but I think he'll still be a stud.

Yes, the Favre factor could be a factor.. other teams won't be grinding sown the clock in the second half... BUT, wasn't that factored into Harris astronomical projections???

astronomical projections? he put up 75 solos and 5 sacks in 9 games last year. Norton and I had him projected for a little over 100 solos and 4 or 5 sacks.

You're right! My bad... 103 tackles (6.5/g) and 5 sacks (to be exact) is conservative... but the projected FPs are still astronomical! I just hope he shows up next week, because he didn't look as "hungry" as last year!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Point is the rankings are skewed based on REAL PRODUCTION.

Sorry, but there is no way one week can be enough of a sample size to determine if a ranking or projection is good or bad. Also, 5 solos is not the end of the world for only one game.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

I obviously understand the rantionale for the rankings but it's humerous that a particular person thinks my arguments are unwarranted and has to resort to childish banter about sentence structure.

I didn't know there were "Internet Street Toughs" here...

I understand the defending of rankings but is it wrong for someone to question them based on the amount of actual game play? I think its irrational ,illogical, and arrogant to assume a person wouldn't question such things, wouldn't you agree?

It's a conversation and no more. Guess some dont understand that aspect of my post(s).

 

[-baller]

7 tackles x 16 games = 112 solos for the season

if harris can come up w/9 next week, he's right on track for a pretty good year.....

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

speaking on behalf of my fellow FBG staff, I'm pretty sure we all welcome questions, comments, and criticism as long as it's not just bashing for the sake of bashing.

 

[TheArchitect]

Point is the rankings are skewed based on REAL PRODUCTION.

Sorry, but there is no way one week can be enough of a sample size to determine if a ranking or projection is good or bad. Also, 5 solos is not the end of the world for only one game.

You're absolutely right! Crowder had a solid game and I'm sure Harris/Peterson step up when Crowder slips. You guys have my 3 starting LBs projected to average 18 tackles per week and they produced 16 today... I'm just p*ssed that I traded away Michael Turner for Harris in a multiplayer deal and am now losing out on my opportunity to take advantage of all those "edge walkers"!Can we expect a post-mortem and/or updated projections before Tuesday night?

 

[Rovers]

I obviously understand the rantionale for the rankings but it's humerous that a particular person thinks my arguments are unwarranted and has to resort to childish banter about sentence structure. I didn't know there were "Internet Street Toughs" here... I understand the defending of rankings but is it wrong for someone to question them based on the amount of actual game play? I think its irrational ,illogical, and arrogant to assume a person wouldn't question such things, wouldn't you agree?It's a conversation and no more. Guess some dont understand that aspect of my post(s).

First off, no more PM's, as I blocked you after that last one.... I have ZERO problems with disagreeing with staff, or other posters... none wahtsoever. BTW, "tool" does not have the meaning you want to infer here... on internet boards it has come to mean a person who is generally abravise and argumentative when they post, often based on false or incorrect assumptions. Disagree, debate, argue... but with mutual respect. Actually, it's you who is acting like a "street tough" here in a forum. You started this whole thing with insults, so it wasn't a "conversation". In any case, you are blocked on my PM list (congrats, first one to be so honored at FBG's since I became a member) and made the ignore list as well. Have a nice day.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Point is the rankings are skewed based on REAL PRODUCTION.

Sorry, but there is no way one week can be enough of a sample size to determine if a ranking or projection is good or bad. Also, 5 solos is not the end of the world for only one game.

You're absolutely right! Crowder had a solid game and I'm sure Harris/Peterson step up when Crowder slips. You guys have my 3 starting LBs projected to average 18 tackles per week and they produced 16 today... I'm just p*ssed that I traded away Michael Turner for Harris in a multiplayer deal and am now losing out on my opportunity to take advantage of all those "edge walkers"!Can we expect a post-mortem and/or updated projections before Tuesday night?

We'll absolutely be addressing all of these players in our columns and podcast this week. Norton takes into account all issues with his projections each week. Knowing John as well as I do, don't expect him to be too quick to be ripping up his offseason preparation on the strength of one week's numbers unless it's strongly indicated.John will have very early projections out sometime Tuesday. Aaron's upgrades/downgrades will be out tomorrow. The bulk of our content will be released Wed afternoon through Thursday night.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

I must be to "young or modern" to realize what the term "tool" means and or some of you are too old to realize the meaning. Internet forum or not.. it means "D1CK"

Regardless, my post from now on will be football related. Rovers, thank you for the explanation. You're numero uno in my book as well.

Players that impressed me at times today...

CB, Eric Wright for the Browns. Sometimes good players are in the right spot, eventhough the Cowboys scortched the Browns secondary. He made some tackles and plays warranting fantasy eyes.

Also was satisfied with Suggs today and Stewert Bradley was in the mix all day vs. a bad Rams O-Line

 

[TheArchitect]

Point is the rankings are skewed based on REAL PRODUCTION.

Sorry, but there is no way one week can be enough of a sample size to determine if a ranking or projection is good or bad. Also, 5 solos is not the end of the world for only one game.

You're absolutely right! Crowder had a solid game and I'm sure Harris/Peterson step up when Crowder slips. You guys have my 3 starting LBs projected to average 18 tackles per week and they produced 16 today... I'm just p*ssed that I traded away Michael Turner for Harris in a multiplayer deal and am now losing out on my opportunity to take advantage of all those "edge walkers"!Can we expect a post-mortem and/or updated projections before Tuesday night?

We'll absolutely be addressing all of these players in our columns and podcast this week. Norton takes into account all issues with his projections each week. Knowing John as well as I do, don't expect him to be too quick to be ripping up his offseason preparation on the strength of one week's numbers unless it's strongly indicated.John will have very early projections out sometime Tuesday. Aaron's upgrades/downgrades will be out tomorrow. The bulk of our content will be released Wed afternoon through Thursday night.

That's why I pay you guys whatever I pay you... "astronomical" ROI... Of course, I'm not going to breakdown every game, but need to know about any emerging situations (upgrades or dowengrades) that would make Harris, Peterson, Crowder, or Thornton expendable. Stewart Bradley and Rocky McIntosh are on the wire.FYI - Crowell is still projected at 80 tackles.

 

[Jene Bramel]

FYI - Crowell is still projected at 80 tackles.

I can't remember if John does forward IDP projections or not. If he does, Crowell will be zeroed out this week. If not, and you're using the preseason projections, I don't believe those will change.

 

[W1cked]

Patrick Willis = 5 tackles

1 game don't make a season

 

[prosopis]

I was a little dissapointed in Poz today to. I think part of the dissapointment is secondary to the hype. I watched the game today and I thought I would see more urgency with him. I could could live with so so stats week one but the way/speed he played did not look top ten to me. I drafted him last year and kept him on my roster looking forward to this year. I want some return on my investment.

 

[Tenacious]

I was a little dissapointed in Poz today to. I think part of the dissapointment is secondary to the hype. I watched the game today and I thought I would see more urgency with him. I could could live with so so stats week one but the way/speed he played did not look top ten to me. I drafted him last year and kept him on my roster looking forward to this year. I want some return on my investment.

Poz's lower production could be chalked up to decreased opportunity. That Bills offense was on the field a lot more today than they were in most games last year.

 

[kawaihae]

I actually watched David Harris for the first time today (well, at least with my new IDP-goggles on). I thought he looked very average. He didn't seem that fast to the hole, and actually didn't seem like a fundamentally sound tackler.

I'm a little worried, as I got him as my LB#1 (with Poz as my #2!) (and, if you see my other posts on the IDP board, I also have Nate Clements and Richard Marshall, who both sucked today! I'm near the edge of the ledge!).

 

[Tenacious]

I actually watched David Harris for the first time today (well, at least with my new IDP-goggles on). I thought he looked very average. He didn't seem that fast to the hole, and actually didn't seem like a fundamentally sound tackler. I'm a little worried, as I got him as my LB#1 (with Poz as my #2!) (and, if you see my other posts on the IDP board, I also have Nate Clements and Richard Marshall, who both sucked today! I'm near the edge of the ledge!).

I have Harris and Poz as well. But I'm staying patient. Pos looked good, I just don't think he had ample opportunity in this particular game. And neither of them put up a completely horrible stat line. It's unrealistic to expect peak performance game in and game out.

 

[kawaihae]

I actually watched David Harris for the first time today (well, at least with my new IDP-goggles on). I thought he looked very average. He didn't seem that fast to the hole, and actually didn't seem like a fundamentally sound tackler. I'm a little worried, as I got him as my LB#1 (with Poz as my #2!) (and, if you see my other posts on the IDP board, I also have Nate Clements and Richard Marshall, who both sucked today! I'm near the edge of the ledge!).

I have Harris and Poz as well. But I'm staying patient. Pos looked good, I just don't think he had ample opportunity in this particular game. And neither of them put up a completely horrible stat line. It's unrealistic to expect peak performance game in and game out.

Yeah, I know what your saying. IDP, more than offense, is a situation where you have to pick some guys you believe in, then ride out the bad games that come along with the good ones. So, I'm not going to freak out and drop any of my guys yet.But I, along with a lot of other first time IDPers, draft off of professionally prepared lists and rankings. This leads to me drafting some guys that I really don't know too much about. So this year, I'm really watching some of the defensive guys that are on my team "for the first time" (or through the IDP-goggles that I mentioned above).As for Poz, I watched him today and saw that he has some talent, but was stuck in a bad game situation. This will happen from time to time, and I'm sure he'll make up for it on the back end. Harris, on the other hand, just didn't look that great. He looked overly bulky and a little immobile, and being stuck in a 3-4 didn't make it seem any better.So, I guess the point is, when do you pull the plug on an IDP guy that you drafted early? I'm sure this is a large part of the skill of IDP leagues, so I'll have to learn along with everyone else. Hopefully with the help of Jene and the gang, I'll pull it off.

 

[rockalum]

3 tackles for Poz. Ugh. I hope Kirk Morrison can do better than that on MNF.

 

[Jene Bramel]

So, I guess the point is, when do you pull the plug on an IDP guy that you drafted early? I'm sure this is a large part of the skill of IDP leagues, so I'll have to learn along with everyone else. Hopefully with the help of Jene and the gang, I'll pull it off.

Here's a link to an excellent study one of our posters (RommelDAK) did addressing that question last year. The entire article is worth a read, but the upshot is -- it is unlikely that an underproductive IDP will begin playing to his "expected" potential if he hasn't begun to show signs of life by Week 4. There are extenuating circumstances here, but they'll probably be rare.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

So, I guess the point is, when do you pull the plug on an IDP guy that you drafted early? I'm sure this is a large part of the skill of IDP leagues, so I'll have to learn along with everyone else. Hopefully with the help of Jene and the gang, I'll pull it off.

Here's a link to an excellent study one of our posters (RommelDAK) did addressing that question last year. The entire article is worth a read, but the upshot is -- it is unlikely that an underproductive IDP will begin playing to his "expected" potential if he hasn't begun to show signs of life by Week 4. There are extenuating circumstances here, but they'll probably be rare.

Week 4 is about the right time. 1-2 weeks is simply not long enough to provide a sample size big enough to judge. Even at the 4 week point, you still have to look beyond the numbers and find out if there are other reasons for someone putting up lackluster numbers. Would anyone think of cutting Braylon Edwards right now after 2 catches for 14 yards? Joseph Addai after 44 yards? MJD after about 40 yards total? S Jax after 40 yards?

The same holds true for top 10 IDPs. One bad week is just that...a bad week.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

whenever people complain about a player underperforming and think about cutting him, I usually think back to a couple recent seasons from Bills players.

In 2005, London Fletcher only put up 32 solo tackles in his first 8 games, including 2 separate games in which he finished with just a single solo tackle. Then, he put up 72 in his last 8 games, including a 5-week stretch from week 10 to 14 that saw him record 53 solos, 26 assists, 3 sacks and an INT. Despite the awful start to his season, he wound up with the best tackle numbers of his career and a top-3 season.

In that same season, Aaron Schobel put up just 16 solos and 2 sacks in his first 6 games. I remember quite a few people dumping him. Then, over his next 10 games, he put up 38 solos and 10 sacks to finish as a top-5 DE.

Obviously it won't always work out this way, but it's important not to overreact to a slow start.

 

[jpeace121]

Poz was also a little busted up going into yesterday's game as well. Way to early to think about dumping him. Give it a little time - IMHO, you'll regret letting him go later in the season.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Last year we had a week one thread whining about DeMeco Ryans.

I like to be very patient with a player or two. I guess if my whole D was in the tank, I would be compelled to react sooner.

Mario Williams was an enigma to me last year. I drafted him with high expectations. He had a big opener but was mediocre to below average for 7 following weeks. I stayed patient but dumped him prior to week 9 planning ahead for his week 10 bye and needing to make some moves. He did nothing in week 9 and then went on bye, so it seemed like I dropped the right guy. After 9 games he had 4 sacks and 21 total tackles. The eventual winner of the that league (Bloom), who beat me in the final, picked him up. Over the final seven games he recorded 10 sacks and 36 tackles. Ugh. If a player is a perceived stud for valid reasons, and those reasons need to be your reasons, he deserves longer than four weeks, imo.

 

[jgb95]

miami didn't run the that much which could have been the reason for a low tackle number for Harris.

 

[gregjcross]

miami didn't run the that much which could have been the reason for a low tackle number for Harris.

Teams will run less v. the Jets this year compared to last due to a few factors, namely Kris Jenkins, C. Pace helping them kill drives up front. On offense, Brett Favre improves both T.Jones and J.Cotchery, making games more competitive rather than having them run over the Jets through the gut. Netted out, Harris is in a totally different situation than he was last year.

 

[-baller]

while we're at it --- p-will only had, like, 3 tackles.

 

[Tenacious]

while we're at it --- p-will only had, like, 3 tackles.

Great point. I noticed that this morning.I'm done worrying about it until we have at least 3 weeks under our belt.

 

[NoFBinLA]

miami didn't run the that much which could have been the reason for a low tackle number for Harris.

Teams will run less v. the Jets this year compared to last due to a few factors, namely Kris Jenkins, C. Pace helping them kill drives up front. On offense, Brett Favre improves both T.Jones and J.Cotchery, making games more competitive rather than having them run over the Jets through the gut. Netted out, Harris is in a totally different situation than he was last year.

If Lowery and Revis keep playing well, team may have to rush just to keep them honest and get some room to throw.I agree with some of the wait and see attitude with Poz and others. You have to look at the game itself and the Hawks didn't exactly keep the offense on the field often.

 

[captbly]

I have Harris and Pos... Yes I am disapointed, but I am not panicking yet. Seattle had no running game and was passing more Pos had 2 Pass Defends besides his tackles so it wasnt all bad. I didnt see the Jets game so I dont know what happened there. Harris plays at home this week too and that is a big plus. (Good read here on stadium scoring differences ... http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2008/0...ki_idpstats.php )

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I have Harris and Pos... Yes I am disapointed, but I am not panicking yet. Seattle had no running game and was passing more Pos had 2 Pass Defends besides his tackles so it wasnt all bad. I didnt see the Jets game so I dont know what happened there. Harris plays at home this week too and that is a big plus. (Good read here on stadium scoring differences ... http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2008/0...ki_idpstats.php )

Harris started 9 games last year.

In the 4 road games, he averaged 5.75 solo tackles and 1.5 assists.

In the 5 home games, he averaged 10.2 solo tackles and 4.2 assists.

 

[Rozelle]

Harris faced 17 rushing attempts, Jets averaged 31.4 last year 3rd highest, and league average is 27. Just have to see how this plays out in the coming weeks. A good bet Jets average less than last year with Favre in the picture.

Pos faced 21 rushing attempts and only 43 tackle ops, both below average.

With both these guys the ops were just down, no need to panic ... yet

 

[captbly]

I have Harris and Pos... Yes I am disapointed, but I am not panicking yet. Seattle had no running game and was passing more Pos had 2 Pass Defends besides his tackles so it wasnt all bad. I didnt see the Jets game so I dont know what happened there. Harris plays at home this week too and that is a big plus. (Good read here on stadium scoring differences ... http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2008/0...ki_idpstats.php )

Harris started 9 games last year.

In the 4 road games, he averaged 5.75 solo tackles and 1.5 assists.

In the 5 home games, he averaged 10.2 solo tackles and 4.2 assists.

Add to that fact that Miami is down at the bottom of that list too...and it kind of makes sense. Thanks for the article I enjoyed it BTW.. keep us posted on anything you come up with new while your messing with those numbers. (from the podcast)

 

[bcr8f]

Jared Allen no tackles no sacks.

Overrated?

 

[eric rymer]

Jared Allen no tackles no sacks.Overrated?

Dissapointing for sure. I put the blame for my loss this week completely on him.

 

[Gators]

Poz had a solid week 2 and Harris it seems like it may be time to worry. The Bills offense needs to stop doing so well. Last year Digorgio who isn't very good racked up big numbers.

 

[ADP]

Harris looks pretty good. NOT overated.

 

[duece2626]

Harris looks pretty good. NOT overated.