DE Myles Garrett, CLE (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

He's been amazing for them for a long time. It's a testament to his dedication to excellence--the ability to play and produce at the highest level for a team that seemingly never has any hope. He's been to the Playoffs twice. They mortgaged the future for Watson, and now the Browns need a total rebuild.

I hope they do the right thing for him.

To be fair, Garrett deserves some blame for Watson. He went to bat for Watson, he also was very vocal about criticizing Baker Mayfield.

Garrett is an awesome player, who is likely a future HOFer, but I also don't feel they need to "do right" by him.

Garrett deserves blame for Watson?
Please explain

Garrett was probably the loudest voice (other than maybe Beckham, who had nowhere near the cache Garrett had) in essentially running Mayfield out of town. Garrett also said he believed Watson and thought he was a "good guy" which could also be called toeing the company line. But its also possible if Garrett had fully supported Baker, instead of being against him, the Browns don't make arguably the worst trade in history, which has only been compounded by Mayfield looking infinitely better than anyone the Browns have trotted out since he left.

Now I'm not saying they dumped Baker, and traded for Watson because of Garrett, that's not what I'm saying, but Garrett (the team MVP) joining in on crapping on Baker, was a catalyst for the process to start. So, I don't feel like we should feel bad for Garrett for having to suffer for being on the Browns, he very much made his own bed there.

He's the best defensive player in the NFL in my eyes, though maybe more like top-5 going forward given his age. I do wonder if the Browns will have a hard time passing up an offer of 2 1sts round picks, because I think that offer will be out there.

You're blaming of Garrett there seems misguided. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Grahamburn]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

 

[travdogg]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

 

[Grahamburn]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

Don’t know why the Falcons couldn’t afford him. His cap hits are low the next couple years. Yes, you have to extend him, but cousins dead cap is gone by then. But, fair enough. Math worked out as far as a pre-draft trade, which is what I’d think the Browns would want.

If the request is legit and not just a contract ploy you’d think they’d want to move him before the draft.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

Don’t know why the Falcons couldn’t afford him. His cap hits are low the next couple years. Yes, you have to extend him, but cousins dead cap is gone by then. But, fair enough. Math worked out as far as a pre-draft trade, which is what I’d think the Browns would want.

If the request is legit and not just a contract ploy you’d think they’d want to move him before the draft.

Browns are 6 wins better than the Falcons 2018-2024.

We thinking Myles just likes better weather?

 

[Grahamburn]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

Don’t know why the Falcons couldn’t afford him. His cap hits are low the next couple years. Yes, you have to extend him, but cousins dead cap is gone by then. But, fair enough. Math worked out as far as a pre-draft trade, which is what I’d think the Browns would want.

If the request is legit and not just a contract ploy you’d think they’d want to move him before the draft.

Browns are 6 wins better than the Falcons 2018-2024.

We thinking Myles just likes better weather?

Young QB on rookie contract. Offensive weapons galore.

Washington does seem like an obvious landing spot too with their cap situation and Daniels. If I were them though I’d want to keep my picks to build around him.

 

[travdogg]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

Don’t know why the Falcons couldn’t afford him. His cap hits are low the next couple years. Yes, you have to extend him, but cousins dead cap is gone by then. But, fair enough. Math worked out as far as a pre-draft trade, which is what I’d think the Browns would want.

If the request is legit and not just a contract ploy you’d think they’d want to move him before the draft.

I'm saying (speculating, but confident) that Garrett's current contract is irrelevant. He's signing a new contract this offseason no matter what team its with. That's why I think Atlanta couldn't afford him, they'd have the Cousins hit, plus an entirely new, likely position leading contract.

I do agree moving him before the draft would be ideal, if he's not moved by then, then you have some issues. I could also easily see Garrett holding out if his trade request isn't met.

 

[Buckna]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

Cousins has a No Trade Clause too, odds of him waiving it for Cleveland of all places seems pretty low IMO

 

[Grahamburn]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

Cousins has a No Trade Clause too, odds of him waiving it for Cleveland of all places seems pretty low IMO

Stefanski and Cousins have worked together. If the Browns were willing to take on the contract then he’d likely waive it versus being cut, not being assured a starting job, and signing for nothing.

 

[Grahamburn]

Anyway. I was just speculating. Appreciate those that engaged and talked it out.

I’m sure any number of teams are going to be calling the Browns about MG.

 

[Buckna]

What if Atlanta calls and says we’ll give you Cousins and 2 1sts?

Who says no?

They would probably say keep Cousins and give us the two #1's...

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Falcons aren't gonna give up 2 1sts, and can't afford Garrett, who absolutely is gonna want a new contract, likely one making him the highest paid defender in the NFL.

I think its very likely Cousins is just released, ala Russell Wilson last season.

I could see Washington giving up 2 1sts, being at #29 and not #15, and having oodles of cap space.

Cousins has a No Trade Clause too, odds of him waiving it for Cleveland of all places seems pretty low IMO

Stefanski and Cousins have worked together. If the Browns were willing to take on the contract then he’d likely waive it versus being cut, not being assured a starting job, and signing for nothing.

He’ll get $27.5MM from ATL this year even if cut. My guess is he will target the team that gives him the best chance of success for this year to get a chance to sign one more contract. I’ve never liked him much as a QB but Cousins is the GOAT at extracting max contract value out of teams. That could be a reunion with Stefanski due to offensive scheme but I’d expect him to favor a team with lots of cap space that can overpay him in 2026 and that likely wouldn’t be the Browns with Watson’s albatross contract.

 

[MAC_32]

Depends if you think Cousins is truly washed or not. They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

I'm not dismissing the Browns eventually adding Cousins, but I am dismissing them using Garrett as a vehicle to acquire him. If Garrett's moved, it's to reset, not to try to compete without him.

 

[Faust]

Anthony DiBona
“I’m told the Philadelphia Eagles’ interest in (Myles) Garrett is real.” - @DMRussini

https://x.com/dibonanfl/status/1895870430248124703?s=61

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm not against the Eagles going after Garrett, but I would prefer they continue to build through the draft. Howie Roseman has been money in the first three rounds of the past 4 drafts. But getting Garrett would make the Eagles prohibitive favorites to repeat next season, but then after that, they're playing with salary cap fire.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I'm not against the Eagles going after Garrett, but I would prefer they continue to build through the draft. Howie Roseman has been money in the first three rounds of the past 4 drafts. But getting Garrett would make the Eagles prohibitive favorites to repeat next season, but then after that, they're playing with salary cap fire.

Are they? If there's anyone who knows how to structure contracts so that their impact is blunted by the increase in the salary cap, it's Howie.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Anthony DiBona
“I’m told the Philadelphia Eagles’ interest in (Myles) Garrett is real.” - @DMRussini

https://x.com/dibonanfl/status/1895870430248124703?s=61

Stop, you guys have enough good players.

 

[bcat01]

Garrett wanted to meet with Haslam and Haslam said "No". I would think you would want to talk to your star player and see if you can work things out.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1898001226316337157?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

 

[mjb03003]

Garrett wanted to meet with Haslam and Haslam said "No". I would think you would want to talk to your star player and see if you can work things out.

Very easy to see why a player like Garrett would feel like the team is holding him hostage at this point.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Garrett wanted to meet with Haslam and Haslam said "No". I would think you would want to talk to your star player and see if you can work things out.

Bizarre if true. More fuel to push the exit for Garrett.

 

[Terpman22]

Garrett wanted to meet with Haslam and Haslam said "No". I would think you would want to talk to your star player and see if you can work things out.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1898001226316337157?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Yeah Haslem hasn't owned the team very long and I am not sure what his best decision he has made has been yet. But he definitely seems like he's ignorant a bit to how the league works now and if you want to play the game of "He's under contract so he's playing" that sh don't fly anymore in today's NFL. Then double down by showing that you really don't care or whatever...

*Clicks on Creed: Arms Wide Open*

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Garrett wanted to meet with Haslam and Haslam said "No". I would think you would want to talk to your star player and see if you can work things out.

Bizarre if true. More fuel to push the exit for Garrett.

All while forcing Deshaun Watson as QB1.

 

[MAC_32]

Garrett wanted to meet with Haslam and Haslam said "No". I would think you would want to talk to your star player and see if you can work things out.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1898001226316337157?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Yeah Haslem hasn't owned the team very long and I am not sure what his best decision he has made has been yet. But he definitely seems like he's ignorant a bit to how the league works now and if you want to play the game of "He's under contract so he's playing" that sh don't fly anymore in today's NFL. Then double down by showing that you really don't care or whatever...

*Clicks on Creed: Arms Wide Open*

Beyond the open checkbook for management, I got nothin'

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I actually hope he gets traded, but people are in denial or just out of touch with modern sports if you think it's a guarantee Myles is done in Cleveland

A betting site I just looked at has him staying in Cleveland as the slight favorite over any over of the individual destinations.

Per sources Miles Garrett just agreed to an extension with Cleveland.

Sources: Browns, Garrett agree to record deal

The Browns and Myles Garrett agreed to a record contract extension that averages $40 million per year and includes $123.5 million in guaranteed money, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[menobrown]

Saturday. Everyone I saw in the media is piling on the inept Browns for their owner having the gall to not accept a sit down meeting for the teams superstar who wants a trade.

Sunday. Said player accepts 4 year extension to stay.

Perhaps one of the better examples of money talks we'll ever see.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

No issues with the Browns filling Myles Garrett's coffers, he's one of the very best on the team and deserves it.
Others look to him for leadership and to rally around, it might be the top of the market but that's what Cleveland tends to do when they feel forced

-The truth is this is still an expansion team 25 years later and not a lot of players truly want to come there. Rewarding Garrett helps in signing other free agents

Like @menobrown said, money talks, bullspit! walks

 

[MAC_32]

Saturday. Everyone I saw in the media is piling on the inept Browns for their owner having the gall to not accept a sit down meeting for the teams superstar who wants a trade.

Sunday. Said player accepts 4 year extension to stay.

Perhaps one of the better examples of money talks we'll ever see.

Just to be clear, today's events do not change what transpired yesterday as being foolish and embodies why this organization is, and has been, where it is.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

 

[ghostguy123]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

A smart weenie

 

[ghostguy123]

Rewarding Garrett helps in signing other free agents

Like @menobrown said, money talks, bullspit! walks

I might agree if we actually had cap room to make moves.

 

[MAC_32]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

Given the sudden pivot, I think he got bad advice, and finally realized it. This isn't the NBA.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

A smart weenie

Pro bowlers do dumb stuff like that. Be a legend.

 

[Soulfly3]

Had absolutely zero stress about this. What went down was 100% what I knew would go down. Was 99% sure. I'm being 98% honest.

 

[ghostguy123]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

A smart weenie

Pro bowlers do dumb stuff like that. Be a legend.

Nobody is even gonna remember any of this.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

A smart weenie

Pro bowlers do dumb stuff like that. Be a legend.

Nobody is even gonna remember any of this.

I’m a Bills fan. Wanna know one of the top things I remember about Bruce Smith? The holdouts.

 

[RandyDB]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

A smart weenie

Pro bowlers do dumb stuff like that. Be a legend.

Nobody is even gonna remember any of this.

I’m a Bills fan. Wanna know one of the top things I remember about Bruce Smith? The holdouts.

Bruce Smith - BadThings

was the inspiration for my fantasy football team name

 

[-OZ-]

No issues with the Browns filling Myles Garrett's coffers, he's one of the very best on the team and deserves it.
Others look to him for leadership and to rally around, it might be the top of the market but that's what Cleveland tends to do when they feel forced

-The truth is this is still an expansion team 25 years later and not a lot of players truly want to come there. Rewarding Garrett helps in signing other free agents

Like @menobrown said, money talks, bullspit! walks

Just speculating here but it seems far more likely that management plus Cleveland are bigger factors than having been an expansion team before some of these guys could remember.

 

[ghostguy123]

All that just for more money. What a weenie.

A smart weenie

Pro bowlers do dumb stuff like that. Be a legend.

Nobody is even gonna remember any of this.

I’m a Bills fan. Wanna know one of the top things I remember about Bruce Smith? The holdouts.

It's March.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

 

[Soulfly3]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

How many SB contenders have the money to give him (and the picks to give up) right now?
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking.

 

[-OZ-]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

How many SB contenders have the money to give him (and the picks to give up) right now?
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking.

Washington and Minnesota. While they probably have other priorities, there isn’t a team out there who he wouldn’t help a lot.

 

[Soulfly3]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

How many SB contenders have the money to give him (and the picks to give up) right now?
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking.

Washington and Minnesota. While they probably have other priorities, there isn’t a team out there who he wouldn’t help a lot.

He'd help every single team in the league... He's the best player at his position... a vital position.

Washington definitely would be one that he could go to that has the cash and capital (and chance at winning) but theyre the only ones I can think of. Minnie doesn't do it for me

 

[MAC_32]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

How many SB contenders have the money to give him (and the picks to give up) right now?
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking.

Washington and Minnesota. While they probably have other priorities, there isn’t a team out there who he wouldn’t help a lot.

Washington is picking 29, like most contenders, they're missing the picks component.

 

[-OZ-]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

How many SB contenders have the money to give him (and the picks to give up) right now?
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking.

Washington and Minnesota. While they probably have other priorities, there isn’t a team out there who he wouldn’t help a lot.

Washington is picking 29, like most contenders, they're missing the picks component.

Obviously irrelevant now but how much more than the 29 would Cleveland have needed?

 

[Soulfly3]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

How many SB contenders have the money to give him (and the picks to give up) right now?
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking.

Washington and Minnesota. While they probably have other priorities, there isn’t a team out there who he wouldn’t help a lot.

Washington is picking 29, like most contenders, they're missing the picks component.

Obviously irrelevant now but how much more than the 29 would Cleveland have needed?

I'd have to assume a lot more.
At least another 1st, at the minimum. We're looking at near QB type haul really. It being such a late pick really makes it hard for them, that's basically a 2

 

[-OZ-]

Solid headline… He chased the bag instead of chasing the ring. Can’t say any better than that.

How many SB contenders have the money to give him (and the picks to give up) right now?
I don't know the answer, I'm genuinely asking.

Washington and Minnesota. While they probably have other priorities, there isn’t a team out there who he wouldn’t help a lot.

Washington is picking 29, like most contenders, they're missing the picks component.

Obviously irrelevant now but how much more than the 29 would Cleveland have needed?

I'd have to assume a lot more.
At least another 1st, at the minimum. We're looking at near QB type haul really. It being such a late pick really makes it hard for them, that's basically a 2

Two firsts would probably have been worth it.

 

[MAC_32]

Obviously irrelevant now but how much more than the 29 would Cleveland have needed?

An acceptance to also trade Ward, Tomlinson, JOK (when healthy), Delpit, Njoku, Jeudy, Conklin, Teller, tell Bitonio he should retire, then cut whoever else is necessary to facilitate those trades and remain cap compliant.

 

[Faust]

Browns DC Jim Schwartz expects career year from Myles Garrett following record-setting contract

 

[Faust]

Myles Garrett relishing chance to put Aaron Rodgers in 'graveyard'

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Browns DC Jim Schwartz expects career year from Myles Garrett following record-setting contract

I wonder what the % is of players who received a record-setting contract going out and having a career year immediately afterwards?