Bronx Bomber
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How do we like him now with Eddie Royal inactive?
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Demaryius Thomas (1 Viewer)
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
Everywhere I have read, including the NFL.com inactive report, has Royal as Active today. http://www.nfl.com/inactivesThomas is set to start, though.
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Cheesedawg
Footballguy
Eddie Royal is active. Sigmund Bloom says Thomas is starting.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Crap. ESPN had him as inactive then just said it was a mistake and he's active.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
More than Decker, Royal and Willis combinedThomas got 2x as many targets as the TEsNice start, albeit limited production
Saint
Footballguy
Has to start somewhere.... This is a good indicator of high potential upside.Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Once they started throwing the ball Thomas was Tebow's first read. Some miscommunication, drops, and bad throws at first. Neither qb nor wr had played in a while so it took some time to shake off the rust.
ClevelandRocks
Footballguy
Im shocked to hear a Stafford teamate call someone a china doll other then his own QB, yes i know he may not be injury prone just bad luck, will see about the MRI today. Being a megatron owner i want nothing more then Stafford to be healthy just funny to hear.
Warrior
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
epic. it's like a perfect storm of 'devoid of humor' and "doesn't even make sense".
Darryl Talley
Footballguy
I'd feel great if Orton was the QB. Some of the balls Tebow threw to Thomas were comical. That would be sad if Elway was trying to help him the past two weeks.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Does Tebow have a history of having a favorite target and locking into them? Do we expect this to continue with Thomas? I'm assuming the completions will go up as they gain chemistry and get the rust off.
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CalBear
Footballguy
No, he has a history of spreading the ball around. His Heisman season (2007) Percy Harvin had 59/858 and Andre Caldwell had 56/761. In 2008 no Florida receiver had more than 40 receptions. In 2009 Hernandez had 68/850 and Riley Cooper had 51/961.
Rick James
Footballguy
Rick James
Footballguy
I'd be hesitant to lean on this as a reason to not start Thomas. Completely different scenarios.
CalBear
Footballguy
Sure; I was just answering the question.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
nysportsfan
Footballguy
What?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Just looked at the targets. Despite the low yardage totals due in large part to the Debacle that was Tesus at QB (hopefully that improves a bit with a week of 'wow you really sucked last week' practice) there was a very briht silver lining here.
Demaryius got TEN targets, (tope ten target guy for the week too as highest targets was 12). That's a very good sign going forward, especially with it being his 1st week back. He looked to have his quickness and burst, It was pretty obvious that Tesus knows he's inaccurate and likes to throw to the Bigger guys so they can fight for the balls/not get em picked.
They are gonna be down by 20 most of the game, so the odds of DT having a good-great week this week vs the Lions are pretty high IMHO.
Demaryius got TEN targets, (tope ten target guy for the week too as highest targets was 12). That's a very good sign going forward, especially with it being his 1st week back. He looked to have his quickness and burst, It was pretty obvious that Tesus knows he's inaccurate and likes to throw to the Bigger guys so they can fight for the balls/not get em picked.
They are gonna be down by 20 most of the game, so the odds of DT having a good-great week this week vs the Lions are pretty high IMHO.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Here is what I came up:Three 2010 starts Lloyd: 28 targetsAll other WRs: 28RBs: 15TEs: 9Second half vs. SDCLloyd: 2 targetsAll other WRs: 4RBs: 1TEs: 2Miami game:Thomas: 10 targetsAll other WRs: 9RBs: 3TEs: 5Very small sample size, but the Miami target breakout is very similar to the 2010 numbers.Thomas replaces Lloyd as primary targetAll other WRs get an approx equal number as primary targetRB and TE ratio flip, with TEs getting 1/2 as many looks as primary and RBs getting 1/3 as many looks as primary (#s reversed in 2010)Again, not much data to compare, but perhaps a pattern is emerging. Thomas owners should hope so (and hope that Tebow throws him some catchable passes)
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Snap counts from Sunday:
Decker 71/77
Royal 67/77
Thomas 45/77
Saw Fox talking after the game he said they had Demaryius out there more than they wanted due to the game situation. He also said that DT looked okay but we haven't seen his best yet.
Decker 71/77
Royal 67/77
Thomas 45/77
Saw Fox talking after the game he said they had Demaryius out there more than they wanted due to the game situation. He also said that DT looked okay but we haven't seen his best yet.
JFurby
Footballguy
like you said, small sample size but good analysis.
The Sniper
Footballguy
Ditto
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
:goodpsoting:doesn't bode well for decker owners (of which I am also one). Might be time to sell hi on him if it's not to late...
eric rymer
Footballguy
FWIW, Cecil and Sig have mentioned a couple times on the Audible that the two things Tebow does well (throws a good out pattern and has a decent deep ball) just doesn't mesh with what Decker does well. He is more of an over the middle type receiver that fails to get good separation. Does not bode well for Decker. And if Julius Thomas gets going like Cecil keeps mentioning then those targets over the middle for Decker should decrease even more. 
DT is absolutely the guy to have here.
DT is absolutely the guy to have here.
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I'm on the same boat as you. It hurts considering I'm a Chargers and Giants fan haha.Also, I see the snap count above... what did that count look like for the rest of the skill position players (mainly Julius Thomas)
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doeseatplace
Footballguy
Julius Thomas was inactive week 7 due to a lingering ankle injury. He practiced on a limited basis last week
dboysrock94
Footballguy
You do realize he was drafted with dez right?
anicholsnj
Footballguy
Never thought I'd run into another of my kind... I guess that's what rooting for San Diego in New Jersey will do to you... I can't stand these idiots and there Jets jerseys.
Al Toon's Mole
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Just trying to think a little outside the box here perhaps but......the first thing that came to my mind on Sunday was that Lloyd was pretty damn good at catching the ball. I mean anything that came within his wingspan and a little outside of it too. Thomas I watched last year with Orton, he looked great, pro ready, I thought he deserved more playing time. But, with Tebow: vs MIA, 10 targets (wow), but only 3 catches (9.0 yd avg, meh) (Lloyd had 14 catches out of those 28 targets above for somewhere around a pretty juicy 17-19 ypc avg). 1 TD, ok, awesome. This reminds me a little bit of Antonio Brown in PIT before this past Sunday (earlier in the season) and maybe Greg Little (aside from the TD), lots of targets, not lots of catches, maybe a TD.Decker: 3 targets, but 2 catches, not much in yardage, and though someone posted above that Thomas was open on some deep balls why does everyone keep mentioning along those lines the play where Decker was wide open deep? Tebow hits on that pass, this conversation is a lot different. Tebow is a big play guy, so is Decker; I'm just not sure that ship has sailed.
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Al Toon's Mole
Footballguy
Quite a few of DT's 'targets' were on balls that Tebow was just heaving out of bounds, so the 3 catches were really on about 6-7 catchable targets.I'm not sure if its fair to write off Decker just yet, and I think there is a good chance that both he and DT have some upside once Tebow gets a bit more comfortable.But for the next week or so, I'd think you have to roll with Thomas on talent alone.
rocketsauce
Footballguy
I just traded him for Darius Heyward-Bey, who seems to look like a legit WR2. Probably should've waited another week to see if Thomas' value shot up any more, but I'm not terribly interested in him for the long haul, mainly based on the type of offense I expect to see out of Denver week to week.
From what I've derived from the FBGuys, Decker doesn't gain separation well, or at least as well, as Thomas. What he does do well is run routes and go after the ball, but this requires precise timing and accuracy on the part of the QB: Decker can have a guy all over him, but if the QB throws an accurate pass, Decker can adjust at the last minute and catch it, eliminating the necessity to get separation and making him a great target in tight spaces. At this point, Tebow does *not* appear to be good on timing routes OR throwing precise passes, and this is why folks believe he will struggle throwing to Decker.Thomas is apparently much more explosive: he can get a few steps on a defender and create a pocket of airspace around him that an inaccurate QB can drop the ball into, allowing DT to catch it. Different skill-set than Decker, and not necessarily better, but I have to agree it seems like a better fit for Tebow's abilities at this time.I packaged Decker today and traded him away. My big concern is that, in addition to the issues above, I think Tebow will have significantly fewer attempts than Orton and is more likely to lock on to Thomas....Demaryius or Julius, since they create better open bullseye's on field....with those limited attempts. Decker was heavily targeted by Orton early on...I'll be surprised if he tops 4 or 5 targets on a weekly basis w/Tebow. Gonna be tough to get starter-worthy production from that.
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Yes, I'm sure he does - and many experts at the time and since have said the exact same thing...provided Thomas can stay anything close to healthy.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Theoretically, that sounds nice and all, but Id like to see Tebow play a few more games, hopefully where he doesnt look like garbage for 50 minutes, and see how the numbers and targets are and go from there. In the end, I think Decker will be more valuable than people are being giving him credit for, and I think people are getting a little too excited on what Thomas will do from here on out this year. I own both Thomas and Decker, for the record.
T with T
Footballguy
D. thomas or A. brown? Who do you guys like?
Hendo
Footballguy
as an owner of both I rate Brown a lot higher then DT. I just believe in his situation more with Ben there and the steady amount of targets he has received. I like DT's potential but his situation is not ideal and i do not like Tebow passing to any of my WR's, his release looks incredibly slow... i mean INCREDIBLY slow like he telegraphs where the throw is going to the defense. Tebow is really the only negative i would have against DT aside of his health issues, but its a noteworthy one.
