Dennis Hastert Indicted (1 Viewer)

[Todd Andrews]

Who is surprised by another repressed Republican momo scandal?

I thought everyone assumed all Republican men were gay by now.

 

[Dr Oadi]

You can get charged for bank fraud for withdrawing your money and telling the FBI who asks you what you are doing to F off?

Welcome to America.

 

[Dr Oadi]

And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

You have a right not to speak to the police. If you choose to lie, like say you saw someone else do the crime and cost the police time and money, then I don't have an issue with it being a crime.

Do you have an issue about lying about withdrawing your money from your bank account?

 

[NCCommish]

And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

You have a right not to speak to the police. If you choose to lie, like say you saw someone else do the crime and cost the police time and money, then I don't have an issue with it being a crime.

Do you have an issue about lying about withdrawing your money from your bank account?

Yes? How else are you going to defeat bank fraud and tax evasion without punishing people who lie to investigators?

 

[Christo]

And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

You have a right not to speak to the police. If you choose to lie, like say you saw someone else do the crime and cost the police time and money, then I don't have an issue with it being a crime.

Do you have an issue about lying about withdrawing your money from your bank account?

Yes? How else are you going to defeat bank fraud and tax evasion without punishing people who lie to investigators?

Punish them for the tax evasion and fraud.

 

[dickey moe]

So the former Speaker of the House liked to diddle young boys.

We are Rome.

 

[NCCommish]

And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

You have a right not to speak to the police. If you choose to lie, like say you saw someone else do the crime and cost the police time and money, then I don't have an issue with it being a crime.

Do you have an issue about lying about withdrawing your money from your bank account?

Yes? How else are you going to defeat bank fraud and tax evasion without punishing people who lie to investigators?

Punish them for the tax evasion and fraud.

Pretty sure that happens. Why lie? He had the money to lawyer up and tell them to pound sand. He didn't have to lie during a federal investigation.

 

[NCCommish]

Oh and if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Oh and if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

like withdraw money from your bank account.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm very strongly opposed to criminalizing stuff like structuring, which I was familiar with from my poker-playing days. (I didn't play high enough stakes for that to be an issue, but I i-knew lots of people for whom it was).

If Hastert abused a student, and I have no reason to doubt this story, they should go after him for that directly. "Press X to Win" shouldn't be an option in criminal law.

 

[Henry Ford]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

 

[Dr Oadi]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

That is what he was arrested for. Of course though we should ignore the stupid laws and say hey a pedophiles in jail so who cares. It's not like most people have 9grand to take out here and there so if most people aren't affected then its aok.

 

[FlapJacks]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

I said it at the time, that Hastert should have been indicted for covering for Foley...

In this case, I'd also like to see jail time for the extortionist

One more thing, how does a high school wrestling coach amass such wealth? Politics....

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

Why? Everybody agrees that raping underage kids is a bad thing. That's not a particularly interesting issue because of the near-unanimity of opinion.

What's more interesting for me and apparently lots of other folks is the concept of jailing somebody for doing something that's completely okay, but we're going to call it illegal because we know that he did some other thing that everybody agrees is bad. It seems to me that that should be at least troubling for anybody who considers himself a civil libertarian. By "troubling," I mean maybe you ultimately come down on the Al-Capone-tax-evasion side of things, but it's at least a live issue in a way that the kiddie-diddling thing isn't.

 

[Clifford]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

I agree 10000%.

With what we know now, this really does appear to stink.

ALL this guy did was take money out of the bank to pay someone off, and lie to the feds about it. The libertarian in me thinks this is absolutely ridiculous. If he committed a crime years ago, go after him for that. But I HATE that it is a crime to take money out of your own bank. And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

This really sucks.

NOTE: I don't know anything really about his politics. But it doesn't matter.

Do you hate that they got Al Capone for tax evasion. Common sense dictates that he's paying that kind of money because he butt-raped a kid.ETA guess that was a pretty predictable counter.

 

[randall146]

Now that I've read though the indictment, I see that this isn't a public corruption case, and in fact they probably only went after him at all because he is a former public official. Keep in mind that the actual crime here is: withdrawing $ from the bank in less than $10,000 increments to avoid attracting attention. This is called "structuring" - a ridiculous offense that in my view is abused by the feds. Libertarians would be outraged by this law if they knew more about it

It's a complicated case in that it's hard to pick any "good guys."

-The alleged victim of the at least 35 year old wrongdoing (I'd guess molestation), who is now extorting $ millions to keep quiet

-Hastert, the alleged wrongdoer, but also the victim of the multi-million $ extortion, whose crime here is making small withdrawals to pay off the extorter and then lying about it

-The feds - avengers of a serious 35 year old crime and/or prosecutors of the victim of extortion because he didn't withdraw his money the way the feds like

I agree 10000%.

With what we know now, this really does appear to stink.

ALL this guy did was take money out of the bank to pay someone off, and lie to the feds about it. The libertarian in me thinks this is absolutely ridiculous. If he committed a crime years ago, go after him for that. But I HATE that it is a crime to take money out of your own bank. And I HATE that it's a crime to lie to the police.

This really sucks.

NOTE: I don't know anything really about his politics. But it doesn't matter.

Do you hate that they got Al Capone for tax evasion. Common sense dictates that he's paying that kind of money because he butt-raped a kid.ETA guess that was a pretty predictable counter.

I don't hate that they got Capone for tax evasion, because morally and legally you've got to pay your taxes. The law should enforce that. There's no morality about cash transactions over or under $10,000. It's a bull#$%^ "gotcha" kind of law.

Common sense dictates only that Hastert is paying the money because he'd rather pay than have the accusation come out. He very well may have "butt raped a kid", but it seems strange that in all the reports I've read no one has reported or even suggested that the kid was underaged when this happened.

So, without more info, I can only see that he chose to pay $3.5 million instead of having his gay relationship come out. That's sad. Relying on bull#$%^ laws to publicly out him seems wrong.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Lots of dumb in this thread, not surprisingly, but one point of order. In most states, it is not a crime to lie to the police, unless it's also obstruction (which it often is). It is a crime, however, to lie to a federal agent about a material matter.

 

[Henry Ford]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

Why? Everybody agrees that raping underage kids is a bad thing. That's not a particularly interesting issue because of the near-unanimity of opinion.

What's more interesting for me and apparently lots of other folks is the concept of jailing somebody for doing something that's completely okay, but we're going to call it illegal because we know that he did some other thing that everybody agrees is bad. It seems to me that that should be at least troubling for anybody who considers himself a civil libertarian. By "troubling," I mean maybe you ultimately come down on the Al-Capone-tax-evasion side of things, but it's at least a live issue in a way that the kiddie-diddling thing isn't.

There are a lot of things that are illegal just because they say we are, with no inherent evil attached to them. We're not calling it illegal because he did other bad things. We're calling it illegal because it is - and hey, look why he was doing the illegal thing. To cover up some other illegal things.

 

[NCCommish]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

Why? Everybody agrees that raping underage kids is a bad thing. That's not a particularly interesting issue because of the near-unanimity of opinion.

What's more interesting for me and apparently lots of other folks is the concept of jailing somebody for doing something that's completely okay, but we're going to call it illegal because we know that he did some other thing that everybody agrees is bad. It seems to me that that should be at least troubling for anybody who considers himself a civil libertarian. By "troubling," I mean maybe you ultimately come down on the Al-Capone-tax-evasion side of things, but it's at least a live issue in a way that the kiddie-diddling thing isn't.

He was deliberately trying to circumvent federal financial law to cover up a felonious act. He lied which is usually obstruction to a federal investigation about it. How many laws does he get to break and we just say that's cool?

 

[Henry Ford]

Do we just stop talking about a murder someone committed because the guy was only caught because he was talking on his cell phone in a school zone while he was making his getaway?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Do we just stop talking about a murder someone committed because the guy was only caught because he was talking on his cell phone in a school zone while he was making his getaway?

Have to say this is a little weird, still. I'm all for using the structuring tool to get the "bad guy" (the drug kingpin, the terrorist).... but as posted elsewhere the feds have not been sticking to the spirit of the law.

In your hypo they charge the murderer with murder.

What else is Hastert being charged with?

And the extorter, what of him? If he knew of a crime (and it sounds like there definitely was one) he should bring it to police or the press, but instead he holds up Hastert.

It's also interesting where Hastert was working these days and how much money he has been making off his er "public" service.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sounds like Denny got his kiddie diddle on. Can't diddle just one the other victims should start popping up soon.

I guess this explains his complicity in covering for Mark Foley.

That's the claim, now - sexual allegations from when he was a teacher/wrestling coach ("let me show you this move!").

Tough call on whether to spend $3.5M, knowing (a) it's likely to come out (no pun intended) anyway, and (b) that's a lot of money, and (c ) as noted, this might not be the only one.

Hastert was really bad at this.

In public corruption what typically happens and what works is when politicians are given or give pieces of property or shares in a company. That's totally hideable.

Basically Hastert seems none too bright for one thing, and also totally driven by ego and fear. Probably there's more to be revealed.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Sounds like Denny got his kiddie diddle on. Can't diddle just one the other victims should start popping up soon.

I guess this explains his complicity in covering for Mark Foley.

That's the claim, now - sexual allegations from when he was a teacher/wrestling coach ("let me show you this move!").

Tough call on whether to spend $3.5M, knowing (a) it's likely to come out (no pun intended) anyway, and (b) that's a lot of money, and (c ) as noted, this might not be the only one.

Hastert was really bad at this.

In public corruption what typically happens and what works is when politicians are given or give pieces of property or shares in a company. That's totally hideable.

Basically Hastert seems none too bright for one thing, and also totally driven by ego and fear. Probably there's more to be revealed.

I heard there were accident specialists on Silk Road that worked for a lot less than 3.5 million.

 

[Henry Ford]

Do we just stop talking about a murder someone committed because the guy was only caught because he was talking on his cell phone in a school zone while he was making his getaway?

Have to say this is a little weird, still. I'm all for using the structuring tool to get the "bad guy" (the drug kingpin, the terrorist).... but as posted elsewhere the feds have not been sticking to the spirit of the law.

In your hypo they charge the murderer with murder.

What else is Hastert being charged with?

And the extorter, what of him? If he knew of a crime (and it sounds like there definitely was one) he should bring it to police or the press, but instead he holds up Hastert.

It's also interesting where Hastert was working these days and how much money he has been making off his er "public" service.

Until they get the evidence together to charge him with murder, he'll be charged with reckless driving.

Of course, there's no statute of limitations on murder. There is one on sexual assault of a minor in Illinois. So he can't be charged with assaulting the minor.

 

[General Tso]

Every time I see one of these stories I'm more amazed the US continues to lead the world and question how we have these degenerates setting our laws.

Please read this so you can stop being amazed.

I tried like hell to read that article, because the premise sounded interesting, but good God almighty that's the worst writing style I've seen since I used to have to read engineering texts in college. The author is more concerned with sounding smart than communicating clearly.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I wonder if the person receiving the payments declared the income?

 

[sublimeone]

Every time I see one of these stories I'm more amazed the US continues to lead the world and question how we have these degenerates setting our laws.

Please read this so you can stop being amazed.

I tried like hell to read that article, because the premise sounded interesting, but good God almighty that's the worst writing style I've seen since I used to have to read engineering texts in college. The author is more concerned with sounding smart than communicating clearly.

Hayek is difficult to read. Most of his stuff was written in the 30s and 40s I think... If you can get through it though it's some of the most brilliant philosophical/economic/political thought you will ever come across.

 

[PlayaHata]

Yorkville, IL is my hometown. I was born in 1971 and my mom was a teacher there as well, but at the grade school not the HS. She emailed me yesterday and said that Denny and 2 other teachers rented a house out in the country and she would go to parties there before I was born. Back when this allegedly happened, Yorkville was a REALLY small town. Mom said there were only 1,200 or so people that lived there around that time. Chances are good that she knows both the victim and the extortionist. I'm guessing one or both of their names will come out eventually. Time will tell...

 

[FlapJacks]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

I said it at the time, that Hastert should have been indicted for covering for Foley...

In this case, I'd also like to see jail time for the extortionist

One more thing, how does a high school wrestling coach amass such wealth? Politics....

About that cash...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419125/how-did-denny-hastert-get-rich-enough-pay-millions-accuser-john-fund

Tldr - bought farmland and got money earmarked for a highway there...the Harry Reid way...

All the #### he got away with and the best they can arrest him for is the way he withdrew the cash...

 

[Apple Jack]

hey republicans, enough with the little boys already. youve had your fun, but its time to stop.

 

[sublimeone]

hey republicans, enough with the little boys already. youve had your fun, but its time to stop.

classy posting there AJ

 

[Apple Jack]

hey republicans, enough with the little boys already. youve had your fun, but its time to stop.

classy posting there AJ

internet "class" patrolman always special stuff

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I love that a story about a Republican politician who's been accused of covering up for a former politician who seduced underage boys paying off an underage boy he seduced is a libertarian discussion about banking laws on this board.

Why? Everybody agrees that raping underage kids is a bad thing. That's not a particularly interesting issue because of the near-unanimity of opinion.

What's more interesting for me and apparently lots of other folks is the concept of jailing somebody for doing something that's completely okay, but we're going to call it illegal because we know that he did some other thing that everybody agrees is bad. It seems to me that that should be at least troubling for anybody who considers himself a civil libertarian. By "troubling," I mean maybe you ultimately come down on the Al-Capone-tax-evasion side of things, but it's at least a live issue in a way that the kiddie-diddling thing isn't.

There are a lot of things that are illegal just because they say we are, with no inherent evil attached to them. We're not calling it illegal because he did other bad things. We're calling it illegal because it is - and hey, look why he was doing the illegal thing. To cover up some other illegal things.

Right. And that's a problem.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

So Louie CK was right?

 

[Henry Ford]

Hastert Molested at Least Four Boys, Prosecutors Say

He's trying to get out of a six-month prison sentence because he had a stroke. He can take his meds just fine in prison.

Phrasing

 

[Rove!]

My sincere hope is that he never breathes a whiff of air outside of prison walls ever again.  I called for his ouster when it came out that he knew about Mark Foley and kept it hidden.  

 

[Tom Skerritt]

My sincere hope is that he never breathes a whiff of air outside of prison walls ever again.  I called for his ouster when it came out that he knew about Mark Foley and kept it hidden.  

Problem is that he is charged with financial crimes and lying to the Feds. He'll be out in less than six months.