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Dental Implants $$$ (1 Viewer)
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Angry Bovine
Yep, I just edited my previous post. Here is an article:
http://www.accountingweb.com/article/irs-prescribes-rules-health-care-fsas/219391
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Could you kindly provide backup for that? Last I saw was IRS Notice 2012-40 that didn't make any mention of marital status. And I haven't yet seen a plan that makes that kind of allowance.
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Angry Bovine
It is in section 3 of the link you provided:
The $2,500 limit on salary reduction contributions to a health FSA applies on an employee-by-employee basis. Thus, $2,500 (as indexed for inflation) is the maximum salary reduction contribution each employee may make for a plan year, regardless of the number of other individuals (for example, a spouse, dependents, or adult children (see § 105(b)) whose medical expenses are reimbursable under the employee’s health FSA. Consistent with this rule, if each of two spouses is eligible to elect salary reduction contributions to an FSA, each spouse may elect to make salary reduction contributions of up to $2,500 (as indexed for inflation) to his or her health FSA, even if both participate in the same health FSA sponsored by the same employer.
This is how my wife and I are able to remain at 5K (we work for the same company).
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5Rings
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Just wait until he uses the correct terms...but I like the few he tossed out.Industry insider...
Implants is my business, lemme know if you have any questions. One option is to call a SUNY residence/ dental medical nj to see if it can be done cheaperDon't go 3 unit bridge. Not worth it. Best short term option is a fiber Maryland bridge or Essex retainer that does not require prepping the adjacent teeth yet maintains your "tooth space" and esthetics.
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5Rings
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Biggest problem with that is the lack of accuracy and passive fit in the prosthesis that the patient is being made to fit to, instead of the other way around. We are dang close though. Right now we are going from digital scan to virtual articulation, virtual design, and 3d printing the metal final stricture to be veneered. no models. Tell me more about your new gig Icon.
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Going to ACP In vegas? If so will have to meet up for a beer. I'm at the Cosmo with the GF wed thru Sunday. We're little guys / startup. Patented process (digital scan to 1 micron) doing full custom zircon crowns (any toothset you desire) on custom milled Ti bar delivered for less than half what glidewell's getting for their (inferior IMO) Individual Crown product. Options for eMax / cutbacks / porcelain stacking etc as well. Pretty nifty lil item that should hopefully double or triple our revenue in the next year or so.
Implants aren't technically my business so I apologize if I offended you with some slightly off base terminology about a adjacent field in an industry I just entered a few months ago
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5Rings
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I'll see you at ACP. I'm very interested in what you are doing, Glidewell and Implant Direct are already fighting for the low price market segment. I didnt think there was enough margin to get lower. I know my buddies at Argen are getting ready to join that segment too. Pretty cool technology you guys have. Are you using a CMM or optical scanner to get 1 micron? I didnt think anything less than an industrial CMM could get less than 20.[icon] said:Going to ACP In vegas? If so will have to meet up for a beer. I'm at the Cosmo with the GF wed thru Sunday.We're little guys / startup. Patented process (digital scan to 1 micron) doing full custom zircon crowns (any toothset you desire) on custom milled Ti bar delivered for less than half what glidewell's getting for their (inferior IMO) Individual Crown product. Options for eMax / cutbacks / porcelain stacking etc as well. Pretty nifty lil item that should hopefully double or triple our revenue in the next year or so.5Rings said:
Implants aren't technically my business so I apologize if I offended you with some slightly off base terminology about a adjacent field in an industry I just entered a few months ago
fwiw, you sound like you are already ahead of 99% of the guys who have been around for a few years, let alone a few months. i was not offended, sorry if i sounded that way, just fired up we have another dental dude. nice job!
p.s. You still in Memphis? If so, you gotta be with Carl and Drew, right?
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Yep re: bolded. Old college buddies with Drew and have known his wife and brother (latter works with us, former works for Carl) for ages as well. Small world.I'll see you at ACP. I'm very interested in what you are doing, Glidewell and Implant Direct are already fighting for the low price market segment. I didnt think there was enough margin to get lower. I know my buddies at Argen are getting ready to join that segment too. Pretty cool technology you guys have. Are you using a CMM or optical scanner to get 1 micron? I didnt think anything less than an industrial CMM could get less than 20.[icon] said:Going to ACP In vegas? If so will have to meet up for a beer. I'm at the Cosmo with the GF wed thru Sunday.We're little guys / startup. Patented process (digital scan to 1 micron) doing full custom zircon crowns (any toothset you desire) on custom milled Ti bar delivered for less than half what glidewell's getting for their (inferior IMO) Individual Crown product. Options for eMax / cutbacks / porcelain stacking etc as well. Pretty nifty lil item that should hopefully double or triple our revenue in the next year or so.5Rings said:
Implants aren't technically my business so I apologize if I offended you with some slightly off base terminology about a adjacent field in an industry I just entered a few months ago
fwiw, you sound like you are already ahead of 99% of the guys who have been around for a few years, let alone a few months. i was not offended, sorry if i sounded that way, just fired up we have another dental dude. nice job!
p.s. You still in Memphis? If so, you gotta be with Carl and Drew, right?
Correction..we're scanning to 3-5 microns, not 1. Sorry bout that! And I'll get ya more info when we're offline. Who are you with / whats your role? PM is cool with that, I'm anti wheelhousing as well.
Being a small shop with an "in-house" lab (under the same roof and affiliated) we've got a lot less overhead than most. We're living pretty good at some pretty amazing prices on full IC setups. We're just really starting to roll it out and are getting some great reactions. We're starting to develop programs with some Implant manufacturers now as quite a few folks are looking for turnkey solutions outside Nobel. "Enemy of my enemy" type scenario I guess.
Definitely drop me a line with what you're up to and I can pass along some more info. Def catch up at ACP for sure. I'll be dealing Blackjack in our booth and giving away Kindle Fire HDs
Trying to loosen things up a little bit.
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Sheriff66
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5Rings
Lurker
This thread brought out another FBG DDS and Icon. You have more people to answer your questions. ShootIs there a way to un-circle star a topic?
shadyridr
Footballguy
lmaoIs there a way to un-circle star a topic?
shadyridr
Footballguy
or the posty
Dentist
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we used to have denveredge who was another dds with more experience than me (12 years in the biz) but i haven't seen him around in a long while5Rings said:This thread brought out another FBG DDS and Icon. You have more people to answer your questions. ShootPsychopav said:Is there a way to un-circle star a topic?
Wingnut
Footballguy
I'm about to have my #4 and #7 teeth pulled and implants done. #7 has a crown I got 25 years ago that has had a leak for about 5 years, and I have some bone loss so replacing the crown is not an option. #4 had a filling that fell out months ago and the remaining tooth part broke almost flush with my gum a couple months ago.
I don't have dental insurance and I'm looking at about $6.5k total. Gonna have them do the extractions and bone grafts in a few weeks, get a temp flipper for #7, and do the implants months down the road.
Am leaning towards Care Credit due to no interest if paid off in 18 months.
I don't have dental insurance and I'm looking at about $6.5k total. Gonna have them do the extractions and bone grafts in a few weeks, get a temp flipper for #7, and do the implants months down the road.
Am leaning towards Care Credit due to no interest if paid off in 18 months.
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babydemon90
Footballguy
Well, thanks to an emergency extraction due to a tooth that fell apart (old root canal went bad I guess), I'll probably be doing this in the future. Just had the extraction yesterday - guess the standard is wait 2 months or so before looking at getting the extraction started?
johnnycakes
Footballguy
This is why I only let a highly qualified endodontist perform the root canal. The regular dentist usually comes back with X-rays saying what a piece of art he did with the root canal. And I haven't had one "go bad" yet. I know the official FBG dentist will disagree, that's understandable, but I would never let my regular dentist do a root canal.... I always go to the endodontist. I have had 4 canals... every one a piece of art... every one less painful than getting a filling. In fact, no pain at all, but he still gives me the 'script for Vicodin "just in case".
5Rings
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You are making a big assumption JC. Devitalized teeth don't last forever and a "highly qualified endodontist" won't make much difference in most cases.This is why I only let a highly qualified endodontist perform the root canal. The regular dentist usually comes back with X-rays saying what a piece of art he did with the root canal. And I haven't had one "go bad" yet. I know the official FBG dentist will disagree, that's understandable, but I would never let my regular dentist do a root canal.... I always go to the endodontist. I have had 4 canals... every one a piece of art... every one less painful than getting a filling. In fact, no pain at all, but he still gives me the 'script for Vicodin "just in case".
1. Make sure you have a "space maintainer" or "temporary" in place. This will prevent the adjacent teeth and opposing teeth from moving or "crowding" into the now open space.
2. Make sure the quote you get is for implant surgery and restorative procedure. A posterior tooth does not require the esthetics of anterior crowns and the restorative bill should not be large. Most of the time a monolithic ceramic restoration will be milled then stain/glazed as opposed to a 18 layer powder porcelain build up on a gold coping. Caveat--if you are going to a specialist, you will have 2 bills. Don't be surprised to see this cost you $3k total.
3. Don't worry. This is easy. Unless you are a smoker or have some serious health issues, we can place a rusty nail and it will osseointegrate. 99% success rates.
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Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Maybe you goto the best ####### endodontist ever. Maybe the dentists you've seen in your life aren't that experienced with root canals.This is why I only let a highly qualified endodontist perform the root canal. The regular dentist usually comes back with X-rays saying what a piece of art he did with the root canal. And I haven't had one "go bad" yet. I know the official FBG dentist will disagree, that's understandable, but I would never let my regular dentist do a root canal.... I always go to the endodontist. I have had 4 canals... every one a piece of art... every one less painful than getting a filling. In fact, no pain at all, but he still gives me the 'script for Vicodin "just in case".
Maybe the endodontists I've worked with aren't the best ####### endontistist's ever.
In one man's experience (mine) I do a damn nice root canal, and I rarely see ones look much better from the endodontist. In fact, when i have trouble with a root canal and send it to the endodontist.. rarely do they call me and say... yeah, we found the issue you had and fixed it.
More often they call me to say... "hey.. if you can't get it done, we can't get it done"
Now.. I was the top person in my section in school for root canals... some say if I'd had better marks in dental school that I should've gone on to be an endodontist... and I have no doubt those guys are more experienced than I am because that's what they do all day..
But in my hands... in my practice... you're just as well of with me crushing your root canal than the endodontist for 3/4 of the price.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
shadyridr
Footballguy
i think thats what he said. He said my dentist does that part so i can always wait longer, no? Unless the dentist starts fitting me for the tooth three months later. I was barely paying attention lol. The total cost is $3k
This is nonsenseThis is why I only let a highly qualified endodontist perform the root canal. The regular dentist usually comes back with X-rays saying what a piece of art he did with the root canal. And I haven't had one "go bad" yet. I know the official FBG dentist will disagree, that's understandable, but I would never let my regular dentist do a root canal.... I always go to the endodontist. I have had 4 canals... every one a piece of art... every one less painful than getting a filling. In fact, no pain at all, but he still gives me the 'script for Vicodin "just in case".
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Dentist - don't want to start a new thread but will if appropriate. I am considering cosmetic improvement options. I am in Arkansas and can't find a dentist that doesn't come to work in bare feet and they still want $500-$600 a tooth.
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johnnycakes
Footballguy
You're full of nonsense. How many canals have you had, anyhow? This isn't as open-and-shut a case as you seem to think. Both of my last two GP dentists have been very, very good GP dentists, and neither one performed root canals... routinely referred out to an endodontist. You'd have to ask them why, but obviously, they weren't grubbing for money and telling their patients they could get the same quality canal from them as from the endodontist for 75% of the price. Now that's a bunch of crap. Especially when you figure in the average endodontist will perform more root canals in one year than the average GP will in his/her entire career.This is nonsenseThis is why I only let a highly qualified endodontist perform the root canal. The regular dentist usually comes back with X-rays saying what a piece of art he did with the root canal. And I haven't had one "go bad" yet. I know the official FBG dentist will disagree, that's understandable, but I would never let my regular dentist do a root canal.... I always go to the endodontist. I have had 4 canals... every one a piece of art... every one less painful than getting a filling. In fact, no pain at all, but he still gives me the 'script for Vicodin "just in case".
Why should I go to an Endodontist vs. a regular dentist?
Check out the endodontist's perspective here.
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I am an endodontist. You can't make A generalization like that. I do have referal from less qualified gen. dents, but A high number are more than qualified. Most of my retreats are upper first molars, if one can't find mb2's frequently than i recommend refering them.
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johnnycakes
Footballguy
OK, so let's simplify this. YOU need a root canal.. are YOU going to a GP or an endodontist?
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johnnycakes
Footballguy
In any event, I have made no secret of the fact that I utilize specialists as much as possible, across the board... not just in dentistry. When I got divorced, I used a law firm that specialized in matrimonial law. When I'm buying or selling property, I seek out real estate attorneys. Hell, I wouldn't even let my regular dentist pull my wisdom teef... I went to an oral surgeon instead. Sure, it might be more money, but it's my body, and I have only one set of teef, and I want everyone working on me to do what they do best. And GP's certainly have their place in that scheme.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Don't get too worked up until the endodontist comes back and says he'd be perfectly happy going to a GP for his own root canal.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Admittedly in my first 5 to 6 years I did not find many mb2s but now I am finding them more often than not. So I've improved. Could I be better with a scope? Maybe, but compared to gps in general I'd rate myself very good.
And when I do attempt to make a referral most people aren't like Johnny cakes. They are mad and disappointed if I try to make a referral. They don't want to go somewhere else and they definitely don't want to pay more. Hell I wish more people were like johnny
johnnycakes
Footballguy
I appreciate that, Dentist... I actually prefer to be referred to a specialist 99% of the time, and I know it's going to cost me more, but I have never regretted the result. And that's not meant to be a knock against the GP... just that I want everyone doing what they do best.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Just don't think an endodontist means you're immune to a failure.I appreciate that, Dentist... I actually prefer to be referred to a specialist 99% of the time, and I know it's going to cost me more, but I have never regretted the result. And that's not meant to be a knock against the GP... just that I want everyone doing what they do best.
I wish you could see the rage in people when they are referred. I wish you could see how many patients I get every year because I'm willing to do the root canal their doctors won't do. People just flat hate the idea of possibly paying more. Your viewpoint of specialists is so foreign to me compared to the average patient that it's hard to believe.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
I know everyone can make a mistake. Still, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either my GP, my endodontist, my oral surgeon, or my periodontist to anyone. They're all top-notch. That said, as Hell Toupee would confirm, I'm among the "beautiful people" here in Lexington... price isn't nearly so much a concern as is the quality of work. In fact, in the hierarchy of quality, timeliness, and price, I would say the order of importance is exactly that... quality comes first, then the ability to schedule the work to my schedule, and finally, price. Money is easily replaced. Time is not, and neither are my teeth.Just don't think an endodontist means you're immune to a failure.I appreciate that, Dentist... I actually prefer to be referred to a specialist 99% of the time, and I know it's going to cost me more, but I have never regretted the result. And that's not meant to be a knock against the GP... just that I want everyone doing what they do best.
I wish you could see the rage in people when they are referred. I wish you could see how many patients I get every year because I'm willing to do the root canal their doctors won't do. People just flat hate the idea of possibly paying more. Your viewpoint of specialists is so foreign to me compared to the average patient that it's hard to believe.
Again, I have been told by more than once person I'm "quirky". Maybe this is just another example of that.
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Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
No, I mean I've seen absolute artwork root canals fail for reasons unknown... Done by allegedly the best guy in town. And I've seen some absolutely ####ty jobs last years and years. There is some inexact science to endodontics.I know everyone can make a mistake. Still, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either my GP, my endodontist, my oral surgeon, or my periodontist to anyone. They're all top-notch. That said, as Hell Toupee would confirm, I'm among the "beautiful people" here in Lexington... price isn't nearly so much a concern as is the quality of work. In fact, in the hierarchy of quality, timeliness, and price, I would say the order of importance is exactly that... quality comes first, then the ability to schedule the work to my schedule, and finally, price. Money is easily replaced. Time is not, and neither are my teeth. Again, I have been told by more than once person I'm "quirky". Maybe this is just another example of that.Just don't think an endodontist means you're immune to a failure.I appreciate that, Dentist... I actually prefer to be referred to a specialist 99% of the time, and I know it's going to cost me more, but I have never regretted the result. And that's not meant to be a knock against the GP... just that I want everyone doing what they do best.
I wish you could see the rage in people when they are referred. I wish you could see how many patients I get every year because I'm willing to do the root canal their doctors won't do. People just flat hate the idea of possibly paying more. Your viewpoint of specialists is so foreign to me compared to the average patient that it's hard to believe.
It's a bit maddening really.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
What is the best approach to cosmetic dentistry - veneers or some other way to go? Serious question.Dentist said:
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
tough to really give you a good answer without a mouth to see.
But composite Veneers/Bonding is good, porcelain veneers are very good, orthodontics can be also very good.
really depends on what you are fixing.. worn teeth, crooked teeth, stained teeth, some combination of the above?
porcelain veneers are going to set you back closer to $900-1100 per tooth though. composite veneers could be found for $400-600 though
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Wow - big difference. What do you get for the big price difference? For me, its kinda of a combination. I have relatively straight teeth (had braces), but never very white and some wear. Also had a gap in my 2 front teeth and had them filled but its showing a lot more over the years.Dentist said:
Wingnut
Footballguy
Justbfot back from the dentist...got IV sedation and had #4 and #7 pulled, bone grafts put in, and I have a 2-tooth flipper. Not a fan of this appliance, can't wait to get the implants done after about 3 months or asap.Just took my first pain pill, so its of to lala land for a bit...
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Mahtab Partovi
Footballguy
Dental Implants are probably the best solution for any kind of dental problem. All you've got to do is consult your dentist and get referral to a well experienced periodontist. Dental Implants improve the overall oral health thereby contributing to your confidence. One of the well known places to get dental surgery performed from is Santa Monica Periodontist.
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Yinz-o-riffic
Awesome bump, Mahtab.
snogger
Footballguy
Daughter's upper teeth came in crooked enough that they destroyed the roots of both eye teeth.. For the past 3 years she has worn a retainer with "Fake" teeth but she is old enough now to get the implants.
Got the Total Cost documents this week as we'll start the first step in a month.. Insurance will only cover $1,500 of the total bill..
When all is said and done our out of pocket cost by the end of the summer is going to be close to $10,000
Got the Total Cost documents this week as we'll start the first step in a month.. Insurance will only cover $1,500 of the total bill..
When all is said and done our out of pocket cost by the end of the summer is going to be close to $10,000
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Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
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Pretty sure it was Panthera (allegedly or whatever I have to say here). Seeing the issues with large sections of ZIrconium, there is no way I'd trust it as a primary structural component... Ti can break too but usually requires misfit or an engineer who's asleep at the wheel.
