coachbobbyfinstock
Footballguy
What does everyone predict in regard to Denver's WRs? Who has a bigger year Decker or Demaryius Thomas? Or, do you see someone else stepping up? What will Decker and D Thom's stats be this year?
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az_prof
Footballguy
I liked what I saw from Thomas more than Decker last year. However, with a new QB and system, nothing is certain. Both are worth owning and if Decker can come at a much cheaper value, he might be the value play. How do people compare the two of them to previous WRs with whom Manning has played?
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Decker is getting quite a bit of love from the press as far as his early work with Manning is concerned. And there's word that the staff is looking to line him up all over the formation as well.
Of course, this is Denver, so the positive press on Decker could be nothing more than a ploy to motivate Thomas who has yet to work with Manning.
I think Decker has the skill set in place that Manning likes. And if Manning trusts you, he's going to get the ball to you.
Will Manning be healthy enough and will Fox let him throw it around enough to support 2 top-20 WR's? That's the big question for me.
BTW, I'm a Decker owner here so take everything with a grain of salt.
Of course, this is Denver, so the positive press on Decker could be nothing more than a ploy to motivate Thomas who has yet to work with Manning.
I think Decker has the skill set in place that Manning likes. And if Manning trusts you, he's going to get the ball to you.
Will Manning be healthy enough and will Fox let him throw it around enough to support 2 top-20 WR's? That's the big question for me.
BTW, I'm a Decker owner here so take everything with a grain of salt.
Both have a lot of upside but multiple aspects for downfall - Peyton's healthy, their own health, their role in the offense, and the number of passes thrown in this offense. I was pretty wary of Thomas last year due to the achilles injury, but he might be one of the very few people whose career can survive that injury. Obviously, this is one of the hardest situations to assess, making it essentially a roll of the dice. Personally, I'll need to see how each guy's ADP shakes out before determining if I'm down to roll the dice.
Prussian
Footballguy
Denver didn't spend that kind of money for a QB to "manage the game" ... he'll be throwing plenty. Think Edjerrin James' days in Indy ...I live in MN and know Decker from watching the Gophers. I am a GT alum and watched Thomas closely.Thomas has significantly more upside as a #1 and Decker is a solid possession receiver (#1A or #2). Both could easily be inthe top 25-30, with Thomas getting the nod as somewhere in the 10-15 range.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I predict that Thomas and Decker will finish with pretty similar FFP's in PPR leagues, in the top 20 to 28.
Shutout
Footballguy
What this all comes down to, IMO, is the ability for each of these two (and every other Denver player) to learn what Manning is running.
I've followed the Colts for years and a common theme has always been (even with Clark, Collie, Wayne, etc) that this just doesn't click because Manning steps on the field. It is pretty common that it takes about two seasons for players to really get into sync with him. Dallas Clark once said that it was about three years before he really felt like he knew the system AND Manning knew he knew the system.
So, looking at it from that aspect, I think Decker has a clear upper hand and the time any player can spend with Manning is invaluable. Based on this same line of thinking, I think you could see jacob Tamme have a really good (every week starter) year with manning. Especially in the beginning, in tight games, I think it would be natural that Manning would trust someone he is familiar with more 9especially in a "move the chains" type of play). manning is about as regimented as they come. I think it comes natural to him that if he is trying to get 6 or 8 yards on a 3rd down play that he is going to go with the guy that he knows is going to run a route exactly like he wants it. At the moment, i think the advantage in that situation goes to decker or tamme over anybody else.
I've followed the Colts for years and a common theme has always been (even with Clark, Collie, Wayne, etc) that this just doesn't click because Manning steps on the field. It is pretty common that it takes about two seasons for players to really get into sync with him. Dallas Clark once said that it was about three years before he really felt like he knew the system AND Manning knew he knew the system.
So, looking at it from that aspect, I think Decker has a clear upper hand and the time any player can spend with Manning is invaluable. Based on this same line of thinking, I think you could see jacob Tamme have a really good (every week starter) year with manning. Especially in the beginning, in tight games, I think it would be natural that Manning would trust someone he is familiar with more 9especially in a "move the chains" type of play). manning is about as regimented as they come. I think it comes natural to him that if he is trying to get 6 or 8 yards on a 3rd down play that he is going to go with the guy that he knows is going to run a route exactly like he wants it. At the moment, i think the advantage in that situation goes to decker or tamme over anybody else.
coachbobbyfinstock
Footballguy
Decker seems like the early frontrunner imo, as he has been working out with Peyton a bunch. But Thomas' physical gifts are undeniable (I know the NFL is full of physical freaks who dont pan out). Has Peyton ever played with a WR as big as Thomas? Dude is lsited at 6'3", 235, dont think reggie Wayne was quite that big.
Also factor in that this is Thomas' 3rd year (typcially a 'break out' year for WRs) and it is safe to say the ball is in his court. If he applies himsefl and stays healthy he could be looking at a top 10-ish year.
Also factor in that this is Thomas' 3rd year (typcially a 'break out' year for WRs) and it is safe to say the ball is in his court. If he applies himsefl and stays healthy he could be looking at a top 10-ish year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Everyone thinks of Fox as a conservative coach and in some aspects he is but both Steve Smith and Mushin Muhammad finsihed as No. 1 overall WRs under Fox. If Manning is healthy, the Broncos will be throwing the ball.'JamesTheScot said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think the opposite. Decker was killing it with Orton in there. Once Tebow came in he went to THomas but a lot of those balls were just whipping it up. I think Decker outperforms Thomas outright. As a comparison, I think Decker could best the numbers Stokley put up in 04. He'll get a bigger piece of the pie than Stokley did.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Is Decker small now?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Through the first 4 games of 2011, with Orton at QB and no Thomas, Decker was WR6 averaging 19ppg in fantasy PPR. 20 rec. for 270 yds and 4 TD's.
In the last 4 games, with Tebow at QB and both Thomas and Decker, Thomas was favored with 21/414/3 (good for WR5 over that period with 20.4ppg). Decker had just 17 targets over those last 4 games compared to Thomas' 40 targets. Tebow obviously had a favorite or else he was just chucking it up to his first read or something. Manning, obviously, won't do that.
In the last 4 games, with Tebow at QB and both Thomas and Decker, Thomas was favored with 21/414/3 (good for WR5 over that period with 20.4ppg). Decker had just 17 targets over those last 4 games compared to Thomas' 40 targets. Tebow obviously had a favorite or else he was just chucking it up to his first read or something. Manning, obviously, won't do that.
sportsmonkey_j
Footballguy
I think Decker is 1A and Thomas is 1B. heres my reasoning.
Decker is a great route runner and has solid hands. Manning will love this. He is as dependable as can be and he will always be where Manning expects.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2180
http://www.thehuddle.com/x10/nfl_draft/scout_rpt/wr-eric-decker.php
Thomas is the speedy receiver, but not as good a route runner. He benefited form Tebow running around buying time and just chucking it downfield.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010dthomas.php
http://draftboardinsider.com/cgi-bin/prospect.cgi?id=1130
Manning could make very avg Wrs look like solid players. I think both these receivers will compliment each others skill set and when you add in Tamme I think they will both be top 20 Wrs. You can definitely get Decker later in a draft.
Decker is a great route runner and has solid hands. Manning will love this. He is as dependable as can be and he will always be where Manning expects.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2180
http://www.thehuddle.com/x10/nfl_draft/scout_rpt/wr-eric-decker.php
Thomas is the speedy receiver, but not as good a route runner. He benefited form Tebow running around buying time and just chucking it downfield.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010dthomas.php
http://draftboardinsider.com/cgi-bin/prospect.cgi?id=1130
Manning could make very avg Wrs look like solid players. I think both these receivers will compliment each others skill set and when you add in Tamme I think they will both be top 20 Wrs. You can definitely get Decker later in a draft.
babydemon90
Footballguy
there was that uberstud Hank Baskett....I can't think of a WR Peyton has played with as big as Decker, let along Thomas.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He married a Playmate.there was that uberstud Hank Baskett....
That's all I got.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
To those thinking they'll be able to nab Decker in drafts much later than Demaryius: I've already noticed them being drafted within a round or two of each other in mocks (Demaryius = 4th/5th, Decker = 5th/6h).
The Decker hype is out there and I wouldn't be surprised if he even surpasses Thomas' ADP by summer when he'll absolutely be called a "sleeper" on every blog, website & magazine out there.
The Decker hype is out there and I wouldn't be surprised if he even surpasses Thomas' ADP by summer when he'll absolutely be called a "sleeper" on every blog, website & magazine out there.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
So who is the true sleeper there? Eddie Royal? Because I agree with Frankbot, the cat is out of the bag on Decker.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
All I know is that Cecil's annual Broncos Camp Report thread will be VERY interesting this year. Looking forward to that one more than ever.
Yes, he is a super sleeper. Don't let Philip Rivers know, shhhh!
Crazy Tony
Footballguy
It's hard to rate Decker and Thomas fully. The Broncos would do some weird stuff in the passing game.
Tebow had 272 pass attempts.
Alex Smith had 474 pass attempts. He had a few more games but was by no means a gun slinger throughout the season.
In week 10 Tebow went 2 for 8.
Decker was targeted 3 times. I caught 1 for 56yd TD.
He's listed as 6'3 218.
I like the Good Routes/Good hands comment above. When you consider manning and utilizing athletic players. Pierre Garcon is an athletic freak. He was combine stud from D3 college that knocked my alma mater out of the playoffs. He's short fast and can jump. Turned dump off plays into TDs. I think this bodes well for Demaryius Thomas. I think it also gives Julius Thomas a sneaking chance. He's an athletic freak who has just a few years of football in him. If Manning work ethic rubs off maybe he can figure some things out.
I own Decker and Julius Thomas if full disclosure. Sleeper WIDE RECEIVER? I think it could be Donnie Avery in INDY. Who knows it could be Antonio Gates or Andre Johnson playing a full season and producing back to their elite levels.
If you're in a league where people are doing their research I'd suggest taking Decker a little earlier than you think. Don't overreach on either WR in DEN or even Rookie WRs. It'll just come down to...do you think this team will have passing opportunities. DO you think that those WRs will be able to make the most of the opportunities. When it comes to these factors I think Decker will be Steady and Demariyus will flash some brilliance and the debate will linger on.
Tebow had 272 pass attempts.
Alex Smith had 474 pass attempts. He had a few more games but was by no means a gun slinger throughout the season.
In week 10 Tebow went 2 for 8.
Decker was targeted 3 times. I caught 1 for 56yd TD.
He's listed as 6'3 218.
I like the Good Routes/Good hands comment above. When you consider manning and utilizing athletic players. Pierre Garcon is an athletic freak. He was combine stud from D3 college that knocked my alma mater out of the playoffs. He's short fast and can jump. Turned dump off plays into TDs. I think this bodes well for Demaryius Thomas. I think it also gives Julius Thomas a sneaking chance. He's an athletic freak who has just a few years of football in him. If Manning work ethic rubs off maybe he can figure some things out.
I own Decker and Julius Thomas if full disclosure. Sleeper WIDE RECEIVER? I think it could be Donnie Avery in INDY. Who knows it could be Antonio Gates or Andre Johnson playing a full season and producing back to their elite levels.
If you're in a league where people are doing their research I'd suggest taking Decker a little earlier than you think. Don't overreach on either WR in DEN or even Rookie WRs. It'll just come down to...do you think this team will have passing opportunities. DO you think that those WRs will be able to make the most of the opportunities. When it comes to these factors I think Decker will be Steady and Demariyus will flash some brilliance and the debate will linger on.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I don't know....just a wild guess here but it could have something to do with the fact that he is, in fact, a San Diego Charger now? Just throwing that out there as one possible explanation.
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solorca
Footballguy
I just completed a start-up and Thomas went at 4.09, while I was able to grab Decker at 7.01. I would much rather wait the 2-3 rounds and pick up Decker, but as was mentioned above, I'm not sure that Decker will be going this late as we move forward. I'm starting to see them both go in the late 4th to early 5th range in recent start-ups.
One thing to note is that with most people relying on PFF's ADP data (since as far as I can see, it's the only one that's up to date at this point), the old version had Thomas at 5.03 and Decker at 11.03 (I believe at least some of the drafts used took place before the Manning signing). The new ADP data that they released last week has Thomas at 4.01 and Decker at 7.03. I expect it to be even closer as more and more drafts take place, but in the meantime, you may be able to get a slight discount on Decker if you have a number of people who are relying on PFF for ADP data.
One thing to note is that with most people relying on PFF's ADP data (since as far as I can see, it's the only one that's up to date at this point), the old version had Thomas at 5.03 and Decker at 11.03 (I believe at least some of the drafts used took place before the Manning signing). The new ADP data that they released last week has Thomas at 4.01 and Decker at 7.03. I expect it to be even closer as more and more drafts take place, but in the meantime, you may be able to get a slight discount on Decker if you have a number of people who are relying on PFF for ADP data.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Orange Julius baby! Cecil picks sleepers that are too deep. They don't even get playing time. He slants towards youth way too much. God bless him.'Frankbot said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
bonesman
Footballguy
Why are you getting sarcastic? You seem to be the only one that didn't realize Royal was in SD now.You guys ever here of a little thing called trades?Great input by the way.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Andre Caldwell looked decent with Cinncy and he'll likely be the WR3 for the Broncos. They also signed Bradon Stokely - but I don't thik we can count on him at age 35-36.'Sabertooth said:
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Yeah, I thought I was the one being sarcastic (one of my main virtues, BTW)Why are you getting sarcastic? You seem to be the only one that didn't realize Royal was in SD now.You guys ever here of a little thing called trades?
