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Deranged Hermit's top 20 WR to own in 2010 (1 Viewer)

Deranged Hermit

Not cool & Pissed
The third installment of my early rankings. RB rankings can be found HERE QB rankings HERE. Remember, this is how I think things will fall by season's end, not how I would draft them. I have a few guys in my 15-20 range that you can get much later in the draft, but I expect them to far exceed their ADP.

There's a good reason I saved WR until last, they're VERY hard to predict past the top 10. Here's my best shot though:

1. Andre Johnson

IMO, there's Andre Johnson and there's everyone else. Should be far and away the best WR this year. I don't see him slipping much past 1.6 in most PPR leagues.

*stupid to do this so soon, but I think AJ is in a tier all his own.*

2. Randy Moss

I'm going to call bull@#$% on all the Welker talk. Until I see him play in pre-season, there's no way I believe he'll be back before week 6. That means the Pats will lean even harder on Moss.

3. Reggie Wayne

Indy does like to spread things out a bit, but the team loves to throw the ball. Wayne is about as consistant as they come.

4. Miles Austin

He almost got the nod at number 3, but I decided to go with the guy who's done it many years in a row over the guy who hasn't. If you read my QB rankings, you know I love the Dallas passing game this year. I expect Austin, Witten and a certain guy to be named later on this list to put up nice numbers.

5. Roddy White

A guy who seems to get little respect, but always seems to drop in my lap the last few years (to my surprise), is White. I see little reason to think he won't continue his stellar play this year.

6. Sidney Rice

This is assuming Favre will be back obviously. Anyway, with Favre at QB last year, Rice just exploded on the scene, rewarding patient owner who have stashed him on their roster the past few years. With APD at RB and Harvin giving Defenses fits by lining up everywhere, I expect Rice to run wild.

7. Greg Jennings

I honestly think last year's TD totals were an aberration. There's no way Rodgers throws 30 TDS again and Jennings doesn't catch 10 of them.

8. Brandon Marshall

There are WR who simply make QB's better, and Marshall has proven he can do that year in and year out. He caught 100+ passes from Kyle freakin' Orton last year.

9. Larry Fitzgerald

Quite simply, this means Fitz won't be on any team I draft this year. I obviously know that he's a great WR, but I have absolutely zero faith in Leinart's ability to get him the ball. The only ARI player I'd touch at his current ADP is Beanie.

*tier drop up-coming*

10. Marques Colston

Pretty much Reggie Wayne-lite. Team loves to throw the ball, but spreads it out more than Indy.

11. Anquan Boldin

Another guy who seems to fall into my lap in recent drafts and I'm not sure why. Has a very good young QB throwing to him and has a good WR on the other side of him. Throw in the fact you have a great RB in Rice to keep the D's honest and I don't see what's not to like.

12. Calvin Johnson

Megatron's ADP is all over the place from what I've seen. I love his talent, but am hesitant with a rookie (*edit* obviously Stafford is not a rook, my bad :thumbup: )throwing to him. If you could get him as the 12th WR off the board (yes, that is possible) you did well.

*tier drop up-coming*

13. Chad Ochocinco

I die a little inside everytime I type that stupid name. Still though, he's going to be targeted a lot as I see a resurgance in Palmer this season. I'm also not sold on Benson being the RB he was last year, so they'll have to throw more because of it.

14. DeSean Jackson

We're in a wait and see phase in D-Jax's career right now. McNabb played to D-Jax's strengths and we're not sure if Kolb can throw the deep ball like '5' did.

15. Steve Smith (CAR)

This might change at season's beginning if that flag football injury sidelines him for longer than expected.

16. Dez Bryant

Everything I see in Dallas screams 'DRAFT ME'. I think they will throw the lights out and Austin and Bryant will benefit (as well as *spoiler alert* my number 1 TE).

*tier drop up-coming*

17. Hakeem Nicks

Steve Smith was the go-to guy earlier in the season, but as the season progressed, we saw things starting to change. I'll be looking hard at the NYG this preseason as I don't think their passing game will yeild two solid WR again this year, thus me leaving the other Steve Smith off my top 20.

18. Jeremy Maclin

I'm kind of hedging my bets with this choice as I can easily see Maclin out producing D-Jax this year. I can almost guarentee that Maclin will be on more of my teams than D-Jax, and I don't think his production will be that much less.

19. Michael Crabtree

I think this guy is a freak of nature. Being through a whole training camp to get reps in with Alex Smith will do him a world of good.

20. Hines Ward

17-24 were really hard for me. I ended up putting Ward, but I could have just as easily put Harvin, Steve Smith or Simms-Walker. Beware an emerging Mike Wallace too.

I'll probably do the top 15 TE's tomorrow and that'll put this series in da' books. :)

 
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Top 20 ppr wide receivers and no Welker or Steve Smith NYG? There's no way that at least one of them isn't in the top 20.

 
Top 20 ppr wide receivers and no Welker or Steve Smith NYG? There's no way that at least one of them isn't in the top 20.
I agree with the Hermit that I think Welker is going to ruin more teams than he will make. I think he will severely underperform his draft spot.Time and again, we see that the player is not the same until Year 2 at the earliest.
 
Top 20 ppr wide receivers and no Welker or Steve Smith NYG? There's no way that at least one of them isn't in the top 20.
If you had a crystal ball and told me Welker would start 14 games (not even 16), he'd be in the top 20 in a second (maybe top 15). As I stated in the Moss blurb, I don't think Welker will be back before week 6.As for Smith, I also explained that in the Nicks blurb: I think the NYG returns to their ground and pound ways and that means only one top 20 WR for them. I think Nicks will be that guy. :goodposting:
 
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Romo would have to throw for 45 TDs for him to support the #4, #16 WRs and #1 TE. I'm fine with the WR rankings but i don't see Witten finishing there.

 
Nice list. One error is that Megatron's QB isn't a rookie anymore, and for that reason I'm a little higher on him than most. You're right on that he could get drafted anywhere from late first to mid third, and because I'd bet that someone in my redraft league jumps on him before I want to, he's probably not on team.

 
I'd love to be at the tail end of Round 1 and be able to double up on Moss and AJ...in my local league, I very well may be able to do that!
Wow, unless you're in a non-PPR, I doubt you'll get that combo. Maybe Moss and Wayne or Austin......
It is a local league of friends and relatives, so it isn't exactly WCOFF...I think it's possible to get both if the other owners go after their RBs early and often like they usually do.Just read in another AJ thread that people are poo-pooing Moss for being 33 and Wayne because Peyton spreads the ball around too much. It isn't that far-fetched for WRs to drop to the end of the 1st, start of the 2nd in non-FBG leagues.edited to add that I like your rankings!
 
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12. Calvin Johnson

Megatron's ADP is all over the place from what I've seen. I love his talent, but am hesitant with a rookie throwing to him. If you could get him as the 12th WR off the board (yes, that is possible) you did well.
This is Stafford's second year, no?
Yeah, an error on my part. Still though, he only played a handfull of games last year. Don't know why I put that, just a brain fart on my part. Funny thing is: I kinda like Stafford's upside this year BECAUSE he had a little seasoning last year.

 
Romo would have to throw for 45 TDs for him to support the #4, #16 WRs and #1 TE. I'm fine with the WR rankings but i don't see Witten finishing there.
Not necessarily. In a PPR league Witten can get away with his patented 8 catches for 50 yards games and still put up very, very respectable numbers for that game. That being said, I screwed up. Looking at my notes, Gates is my #1 TE and Witten is #3. I switched some things up from when I re-did my rankings Saturday night.
 
12. Calvin Johnson

Megatron's ADP is all over the place from what I've seen. I love his talent, but am hesitant with a rookie throwing to him. If you could get him as the 12th WR off the board (yes, that is possible) you did well.
This is Stafford's second year, no?
Yeah, an error on my part. Still though, he only played a handfull of games last year. Don't know why I put that, just a brain fart on my part. Funny thing is: I kinda like Stafford's upside this year BECAUSE he had a little seasoning last year.
10 games is a handful? Why do you think Welker will be out until week 6? Every report I have read about his recovery has been positive and says he will be ready for the start of the season. Is it really that you think he'll be out that long or that you think he won't have the same production?Also, I don't see the Giants abandoning a successful passing game that won games for them last year, especially with the exact same set of RBs they had last year.

 
Top 20 ppr wide receivers and no Welker or Steve Smith NYG? There's no way that at least one of them isn't in the top 20.
Welker is a question mark right now with coming back from injury I honestly think Hakeem Nicks will take over as No. 1 wideout over Steve Smith. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't draw consideration.
 
I get that he's a question mark, but the "out until week 6" talk is pretty old and not taking into account he is active at camp. People need to take a fresh look at this situation. His production remains in question, but I think saying he'll sit out the first six weeks of the season is kind of silly seeing as how he's healthy enough for camp now, with 6 weeks until the season starts.

 
Why do you think Welker will be out until week 6? Every report I have read about his recovery has been positive and says he will be ready for the start of the season. Is it really that you think he'll be out that long or that you think he won't have the same production?Also, I don't see the Giants abandoning a successful passing game that won games for them last year, especially with the exact same set of RBs they had last year.
You have to be a Welker owner to be this defensive. If you think he'll play more than 10 games this season, more power to you. We're talking about a Bill Belichick player here. Do you expect him to Twitter: "Gee, I was sure disappointed in the fact Wes looked a little gimpy out there today. I sure hope I did the right thing by not putting him on the PUP". He DIDN'T put him on the PUP list just so he can play games with opposing coaches by saying "Man, Wes looked strong this week. He'll absolutely be in the lineup NEXT week (repeat this for 6-8 weeks)".As for the NYG pass game: do you see their defense being that bad again this year? I sure don't. Thus I don't see them throwing to play catch up every game again.Again, this is IMO. Your opinion may vary. :goodposting:
 
I don't own Welker in any league and am not being defensive. I just haven't seen anything anywhere say there is even a slight chance he misses that much time, except from comments and thoughts here on FBG. Will he be 100% of his recent production? Probably not, but I don't see any reason to think that he'll miss that much time, and from your response it doesn't seem like you have much other than your opinion to go on. That's fine, I was just inquiring as to why you're making that dire of a prediction when all the news has been good.

Just found this though :goodposting:

The Boston Herald is disputing reports that Wes Welker (knee, shoulder) will not start training camp on the active/PUP list.

It's an important distinction, because if Welker isn't on the list to start camp it means he can't start the regular season on the reserve/PUP list. Being on that regular season list would keep him out of the first six weeks of the season. The Herald is reporting that the Pats "haven't etched anything in stone" and if anything, they are leaning more toward starting Welker on the active/PUP list. We'll find out by Thursday, when the Patriots open camp.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...um=&id=2964

I say he starts 14-16 games this year and breaks 100 catches yet again. Probably lower than normal yardage output, something around 950-1000 yards.

 
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As others have already pointed out, Stafford is a 2nd year QB which I think bodes really well for his chemistry with Calvin. Call me a homer if you wish, but I think Calvin ends the year as WR #1. I think the combo of a pretty solid young offensive core and a still bad defense will have Detroit airing it out plenty, and I stand by my belief that Calvin is the most talented WR to enter the league since Moss.

Speaking of Moss, he is getting severely underrated. According to MFL ADP he is the 7th WR off the board, and to me that is just insane. I also think he has another top 3 season in him, especially since I agree with you in that I am skeptical of Welkers actual health at this point.

I like Marshall to be top 5 this season. We will see what he can do when he has a QB who can throw more than 10 yards down the field.

I like Steve Smith of the Panthers to be top 10 this season assuming he is healthy to start the year. The later years of Delhomme I think have caused people to forget how good he can be with just a decent QB throwing to him.

I am extremely high on Dez, and I could certainly see that type of finish in the Dallas offense. Whether I take him or not this year will depend on the composition of my team and where I can get him. I have no doubt in my mind that he is a top 36 WR, just a matter of how high he can go.

Overall I really like your list, one of the better ones I have seen to this point.

 
I don't own Welker in any league and am not being defensive. I just haven't seen anything anywhere say there is even a slight chance he misses that much time, except from comments and thoughts here on FBG. Will he be 100% of his recent production? Probably not, but I don't see any reason to think that he'll miss that much time, and from your response it doesn't seem like you have much other than your opinion to go on. That's fine, I was just inquiring as to why you're making that dire of a prediction when all the news has been good.
I'm just saying that camp hasn't even started for the Pats (starts the 29th) and Welker isn't even medically cleared to practice. Unless that has changed since Sat night when I did these rankings (and they may have), I'll remain sceptical.
 
Love your work. In previous installments you had spots where you indicated a drop off. Not to be greedy, but where do you see the tiers falling in this list?

 
Speaking of Moss, he is getting severely underrated. According to MFL ADP he is the 7th WR off the board, and to me that is just insane. I also think he has another top 3 season in him, especially since I agree with you in that I am skeptical of Welkers actual health at this point. I like Marshall to be top 5 this season. We will see what he can do when he has a QB who can throw more than 10 yards down the field.
Wow, Moss currently 7th off the board at WR? That is insanity. As for Marshall, I LOVE him this year. If I believed a bit more in Henne, I'd put him at WR4 and not think twice. I would not be shocked to see him in the top 3 at end of year, but you don't have to burn that high of a pick to find out!
 
Love the rankings, different from a lot of others that I've been seeing. Some quick thoughts:

- You mentioned that you don't see the NYG defense being as bad this year and therefore the offense won't need to throw and play catch up as much as they did last year. Thus the lower ranking of the NYG WRs... But, wouldn't that scenario benefit Steve Smith (particularly in PPR) more than Hakeem? If Nicks is the big play guy and Smith is the possession guy I'd think he should crack your top 20 in a PPR ranking where you don't envision the Giants having to go downfield as much?

- You said you have zero faith in Leinart's ability to get Fitz the ball, yet you still have him cracking the top-10? Is that just based on pure talent? If so, wouldn't that logic apply to Calvin as well?

- Reggie Wayne's age and the fact that he completely tailed off for the 2nd half last year doesn't concern you at all?

- Love Austin at 4, definitely agree that he could be even higher. Roddy doesn't seem to get the respect he deserves either - I agree that he's top-5.

- I know it's hard to bump Crabtree above others on the list, but I do think he's somebody that ends up higher than where you have him.

 
Love the rankings, different from a lot of others that I've been seeing. Some quick thoughts:

- You mentioned that you don't see the NYG defense being as bad this year and therefore the offense won't need to throw and play catch up as much as they did last year. Thus the lower ranking of the NYG WRs... But, wouldn't that scenario benefit Steve Smith (particularly in PPR) more than Hakeem? If Nicks is the big play guy and Smith is the possession guy I'd think he should crack your top 20 in a PPR ranking where you don't envision the Giants having to go downfield as much?

I saw Nicks a lot last season and, especially towards the end, he looked like a 'special' WR. Smith needs to catch 100 balls to crack the top 20 because he has a mediocre YPC. I don't see him catching 100 again.

- You said you have zero faith in Leinart's ability to get Fitz the ball, yet you still have him cracking the top-10? Is that just based on pure talent? If so, wouldn't that logic apply to Calvin as well?

Yeah, it's based purely on talent. He WILL get you points, just not constantly. I see the same for Calvin as well.

- Reggie Wayne's age and the fact that he completely tailed off for the 2nd half last year doesn't concern you at all?

A little, but I think he's clearly the best WR on a team that loves to throw.

- Love Austin at 4, definitely agree that he could be even higher. Roddy doesn't seem to get the respect he deserves either - I agree that he's top-5.

Austin will be a consensus top 3 in the fantasy rags next year. We'll be ahead of the curve this year. :goodposting: IMO, Roddy gets no respect because he plays for ATL. Put him in Dallas or some other big market team and his face would be all over the place.

- I know it's hard to bump Crabtree above others on the list, but I do think he's somebody that ends up higher than where you have him.

I had the same problem. Not a bad problem to have though. :lmao:
My answers in bold above.
 
Everyone seems to think that Welker missing some time would be to the benefit of Moss but if I recall Moss wasn't exactly his normal self last year when Weller was out.

 
Everyone seems to think that Welker missing some time would be to the benefit of Moss but if I recall Moss wasn't exactly his normal self last year when Weller was out.
Crappy 24-yard game against Revis, and then 10 catches for 116 in the other Welker-less game. So, not his typical output--the Pats went with more short- and medium-routes for him, so he had more of a Welker statline--but still pretty good. I think a lack of Welker could hurt Moss a bit, but the amount of passes he'd see would probably compensate for the tougher coverage.
 
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No Msw or Bowe... i would think they would be top 20 wrs for sure....
MSW was on the short list, but Bowe will be someone else's headache in my leagues. I honestly don't know how far he has to drop for me to even look his way to be quite honest.
 

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