Derek Hagan. WR Miami. FBG Deep Sleeper (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Thought there may be several who take interest in this.

Derek Hagan has taken the 1st team spot across from Tedd Ginn.

The first depth chart released on the 5th actually had Hagan behind Wilford. But according to the Florida Sun Sentinal...

Ernest Wilford has been demoted to the second team. One of Wilfords faults is that he continually drops balls.

Wilford still has a chance to get his job back, but dont bet against Hagans.

Hagan was one of my favorite WRs the year he came out.

(Steelers needed a WR at the time, but they went after SHolmes)

I know a few people around these parts also liked what they had seen.

Apparently so does Soprano and Parcells.

6'2", 215#, strong and a leaper who will fight for balls. An all-time Pac10 WR.

Looks to be a very nice pairing with the speed dimension that Ginn has.

A 3rd year WR on a team that will have a new QB.

That gives him a chance to obtain the #1 role on the team depending on where the eventual QB

(Henne,Beck,McCown,Pennington) decides he is going to throw it most often.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Wasn't Hagan starting for part of last season as well ?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Wasn't Hagan starting for part of last season as well ?

One game in his career.8 catches 93 yards.

 

[EBF]

I liked him when he was in college. He certainly has the potential to surprise. Don't bank on it just yet though.

 

[ClownDogs]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

 

[Zoomanji]

now if he only had a QB.....

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands. Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.And from what I witnessed (USC fan), better yet, he catches in traffic and while going up and fighting for the ball.

 

[OddibeMcD]

This is surprising. Many around here were touting Wilford to be the #1 when all was said and done.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands. Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.

I completely disagree with this. His bad hands are the only reason he has not done much in his career. He has almost every other attribute you look for in a WR. Not great, but above average. His hands have prevented him from achieving anything.

 

[ClownDogs]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands. Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.

I completely disagree with this. His bad hands are the only reason he has not done much in his career. He has almost every other attribute you look for in a WR. Not great, but above average. His hands have prevented him from achieving anything.

Never have I heard someone say that he has hands, let alone "great" hands.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

concur.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands.

Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.

I completely disagree with this. His bad hands are the only reason he has not done much in his career. He has almost every other attribute you look for in a WR. Not great, but above average. His hands have prevented him from achieving anything.

Bad hands displayed at the Miami practices?He doesnt have the speed and quicks of many wide outs.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands.

Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.

I completely disagree with this. His bad hands are the only reason he has not done much in his career. He has almost every other attribute you look for in a WR. Not great, but above average. His hands have prevented him from achieving anything.

Never have I heard someone say that he has hands, let alone "great" hands.

From the first Google Derek Hagan Scout search. In under 2 seconds. 4-of-5 label him with great hands or soft hands. (Now thats just regular Joes, but thats what we are). It isnt something new about Hagan when he went into the draft.

 

[texasheat]

Hagan 52%

Career targets 95

Career receptions 50

Not that bad is it? Considering the QBs...

Wilford 56%

Career targets 250

Career receptions 141

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Looking into it...

I might see where this change of perception from college/draft to pros has occured.

Fired WR coach Terry Robiskie said of Hagan last year.

He is immature. He has starting caliber ability, but his hands and head are inconsistent. He focus' on the wrong things.

New WR coach Karl Dorrell says Derek Hagan

[Hagan]is at a level right now where he should be an excellent starter in this league.

[Hagan]'s strong, physical, very bright, has good speed for his size.

 

[offdee]

I've liked him for a while and have been holding hoping for him to eventually break out.

2006 thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=240366&hl=

 

[BigSteelThrill]

An archive from Waldman at FFT...

Derek Hagan, Dolphins: Hagan began the year as one of the best prospects of the class, but his post-season workouts in the Senior Bowl and combine were disappointing. The problem was Hagan didn’t display great hands. He fought the ball or had costly drops on easy throws.

This wasn’t the Hagan I saw at Arizona State University. The player I saw caught 40-yard bombs over his shoulder with a player wrapped around his waist 2-yards prior to the ball arriving. The player I’m talking about displayed leaping ability and concentration that reminded me a bit of Herman Moore but with more speed.

Former Lions starter, Gary Danielson compared Hagan’s game to Rod Smith’s because Hagan has a knack for getting open. As much as I like Hagan’s game, I believe it will take Hagan more work to generate similar comparisons as a pro.

Is exactly what I was talking about. In college his ability and catching were top notch.At the end of the college season he was the #1 WR on many boards (incl NFLDraftCountdown) from what he did on the field during game days. He then took a drop on the practice field and tryouts.

Im wondering if it is/was mental issue? The USAToday, Miami herald and Florida Sentinal all have called him the "Rave of camp since OTAs". Could something have clicked? His old coach noted his lack of maturity. He is still only 23.

Regardless, we are talking about a final pick of the draft for someone in round 20.

Good or bad, some of us can revisit this as preseason continues.

 

[ClownDogs]

I've liked him for a while and have been holding hoping for him to eventually break out.

2006 thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=240366&hl=

Seems like Bloom hit it on the head with Hagan.

 

[EBF]

I've liked him for a while and have been holding hoping for him to eventually break out.

2006 thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=240366&hl=

Seems like Bloom hit it on the head with Hagan.

Really? It's not like Hagan has been impressive, but I'm in the camp that doesn't close the book on a receiver's career after two seasons.

Maybe he's Roddy White. Maybe he's Rashaun Woods. Right now it's too early to say.

 

[ClownDogs]

I've liked him for a while and have been holding hoping for him to eventually break out.

2006 thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=240366&hl=

Seems like Bloom hit it on the head with Hagan.

Really? It's not like Hagan has been impressive, but I'm in the camp that doesn't close the book on a receiver's career after two seasons.

Maybe he's Roddy White. Maybe he's Rashaun Woods. Right now it's too early to say.

I was a fan at one time, but don't think his hands will ever be good enough to make him worthwhile for me personally.

 

[EBF]

I've liked him for a while and have been holding hoping for him to eventually break out.

2006 thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=240366&hl=

Seems like Bloom hit it on the head with Hagan.

Really? It's not like Hagan has been impressive, but I'm in the camp that doesn't close the book on a receiver's career after two seasons.

Maybe he's Roddy White. Maybe he's Rashaun Woods. Right now it's too early to say.

I was a fan at one time, but don't think his hands will ever be good enough to make him worthwhile for me personally.

That's fine, but that's just an opinion. We can't yet speak of Hagan as a failure (or a success) because it's still very early in his career. This year should tell us a lot about his skills. This is the best opportunity he's had to make a significant impact.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands. Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.

I completely disagree with this. His bad hands are the only reason he has not done much in his career. He has almost every other attribute you look for in a WR. Not great, but above average. His hands have prevented him from achieving anything.

It was reported that his work ethic prevented him from improving, especially the hands portion of his game. That being said, they've reported that nobody has worked harder in MIA this off-season than Hagan. They see effort all the time and the change in his work ethic was easily noticed. Thus, he's worked on all aspects of his game and the hands have gotten better. Granted, we'll see when he actually gets in a real game.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I like Hagan's chances. He is talented. In college he could take over games. He had very sure hands and at times he made amazing grabs. He was also known for his dedication and work ethic. Then a funny thing happened at the Senior Bowl. He started dropping balls. Drop, drop, drop. It was strange. It seemed mental. Then at his pro day, drop, drop, drop. It didn't make sense. We discussed it here quite a bit at the time. He went from being considered the top WR in the class to being lucky to get drafted in the 3rd. Then at Miami the drops continued. But there was a glimmer of hope last year. I remember reading one of his coaches discussing him as an enigma. On one play he would make an unbelievable catch, world class skills; then on the next play a simple slant would bounce off his hands.

I think the right way to read this is to simply understand that the physical talent is there. It's very good. The drops most certainly are a mental thing. As he matures he should be able to overcome that. Plenty of players who had the talent failed to put it together, so there's no reason to be gushing over this news that he is a starter. There's also no reason to ignore it though.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I like Hagan's chances. He is talented. In college he could take over games. He had very sure hands and at times he made amazing grabs. He was also known for his dedication and work ethic. Then a funny thing happened at the Senior Bowl. He started dropping balls. Drop, drop, drop. It was strange. It seemed mental. Then at his pro day, drop, drop, drop. It didn't make sense. We discussed it here quite a bit at the time. He went from being considered the top WR in the class to being lucky to get drafted in the 3rd. Then at Miami the drops continued. But there was a glimmer of hope last year. I remember reading one of his coaches discussing him as an enigma. On one play he would make an unbelievable catch, world class skills; then on the next play a simple slant would bounce off his hands. I think the right way to read this is to simply understand that the physical talent is there. It's very good. The drops most certainly are a mental thing. As he matures he should be able to overcome that. Plenty of players who had the talent failed to put it together, so there's no reason to be gushing over this news that he is a starter. There's also no reason to ignore it though.

Wisdom from CC as always. I also saw him fight the ball a lot on catches at Arizona State, but that can also be a mental thing. I still would rather see a kid have the hands stuff down pat, the "pluck" already the instinctive way they catch the ball, and Hagan never looked like a natural hands catcher to me. He could still catch 60-70 balls with a league leading 15 drops though, and have fantasy value, and you are right on about the ability to do that and more in the NFL, which is not something you can say about many WRs coming as cheaply as Hagan right now.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I guess a few WRs have done moderately well with abyssmal hands, but this guy makes the Seahawks former Darrell Jackson/Koren Robinson combo look like the most sure-handed pair of players in the league.

Seriously though, this guy drops a LOT of balls.

 

[EBF]

The player he reminded me of coming out college was Muhsin Muhammad. Similar build and playing style. Muhammad doesn't have a great set of hands, but he's had a long and productive career in the NFL. Hagan has that kind of upside if he puts it all together. This is a guy who caught a lot of passes in college and was praised by a wide variety of scouting reports for his consistent hands. I don't think it's probable that he'll become a perennial 1,000 yard threat, but I do think it's possible. Draft him late and cross your fingers. A guy like this isn't going to break your team if he busts.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands.

Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.

I completely disagree with this. His bad hands are the only reason he has not done much in his career. He has almost every other attribute you look for in a WR. Not great, but above average. His hands have prevented him from achieving anything.

Never have I heard someone say that he has hands, let alone "great" hands.

From the first Google Derek Hagan Scout search. In under 2 seconds. 4-of-5 label him with great hands or soft hands. (Now thats just regular Joes, but thats what we are). It isnt something new about Hagan when he went into the draft.

But how are his jazz hands?

 

[encaitar]

This guy does not look natural when catching the ball, but not every great receiver has great hands. Terrell Owens, for example, drops a bunch of easy throws. He also makes some amazing grabs, but he's not someone who I would say has great hands. Early in his career his hands were even worse, but his work ethic and his other attributes made him the receiver he is. Not saying that he will ever become as good as Owens, but if Hagan really is showing a tremendous effort in camp, then we can only hope that the trend continues and shows up on the field.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

You also have to consider that Miami has very little at WR. It's not a big deal to be better than someone like Wilford.

 

[Our Gang]

Can't teach hands in the NFL, he has been in a deep sleep since he entered the league, I'll pass.

You must be talking about Wilford.Hagan has solid hands.

Often called "great" at many/most scouting services.

I completely disagree with this. His bad hands are the only reason he has not done much in his career. He has almost every other attribute you look for in a WR. Not great, but above average. His hands have prevented him from achieving anything.

It was reported that his work ethic prevented him from improving, especially the hands portion of his game. That being said, they've reported that nobody has worked harder in MIA this off-season than Hagan. They see effort all the time and the change in his work ethic was easily noticed. Thus, he's worked on all aspects of his game and the hands have gotten better. Granted, we'll see when he actually gets in a real game.

They said that about Beck too. Maybe Beck was throwing to Hagan?

 

[Our Gang]

I couple points and take aways.

1. It may be that the drops that Hagan has had during the season are when he needs to catch the ball the most. Wide open on deep routes, and 3rd downs.

2. Hagan has looked great every offseason, I hope this isn't groud hogs day x3

3. This says maybe more about Ginn than any other receiver on that team.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Days after it the Dolphins depth chart revealed that WR Derek Hagan took over the No. 2 spot over WR Earnest Wilford, it now appears that undrafted rookie WR Davone Bass has unseated Wilford for the No. 3 slot receiver role, according to Sun Sentinel's Omar Kelly.

 

[perry147]

Days after it the Dolphins depth chart revealed that WR Derek Hagan took over the No. 2 spot over WR Earnest Wilford, it now appears that undrafted rookie WR Davone Bass has unseated Wilford for the No. 3 slot receiver role, according to Sun Sentinel's Omar Kelly.

Wilford is falling like a stone, no wonder the jags let him go.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Days after it the Dolphins depth chart revealed that WR Derek Hagan took over the No. 2 spot over WR Earnest Wilford, it now appears that undrafted rookie WR Davone Bass has unseated Wilford for the No. 3 slot receiver role, according to Sun Sentinel's Omar Kelly.

Unseated by a guy who's name is misprinted. Ouch.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Days after it the Dolphins depth chart revealed that WR Derek Hagan took over the No. 2 spot over WR Earnest Wilford, it now appears that undrafted rookie WR Davone Bass has unseated Wilford for the No. 3 slot receiver role, according to Sun Sentinel's Omar Kelly.

Unseated by a guy who's name is misprinted. Ouch.

...says the guy with a last name of Dufresne.

 

[doubletrouble]

plus now w/ penny there he will someone to run the short and over the middle routes, penny wont be able to reach ginn on a go route....HAHA