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The guy had 6 rushes for over 60 yds and a TD this past weekend. While Bush did absolutely nada! Of course, Bush will have a nice career, but Bush owners are off and running as though he will do it all. Watch out because Duece is not going away and is already showing to a glimpse of his former self.Big boy coming through...WATCH OUT!!!
I agree with this, but I've noticed the "LenDale White Effect" a few times. Tennessee, Dallas, and Indy really overplayed Bush when he was in. Payton will take advantage of that the same way Carroll did, and Deuce could benefit nicely like LenDale did. On the other hand the OL and Brees look pretty shaky. I would love to have Reggie in a keeper or dynasty, but I think the haters may have a season in the sun coming up. We'll see.
All I heard about this is that he asked for the job.
When NO is behind Bush should recieve a lot of dump off passes ......... IMO 70-80 receptions is not out of the question. Look at Tomlinson when he was on a bad team with Brees at QB.
to be a Bush lover?And see, I didn't even have to give my normal speech.Be proud.
I'm not a Bush hater, but I definitely think that the expectations for him in fantasy circles have been astronomically high for a rookie on a sub-par team like New Orleans. Many have castigated me for not having Bush in the overall top 50, but I honestly don't believe he'll end up there by season's end. His overall stats should end up in RB3 territory for 2006, IMO. He'll show flashes of talent and have some impressive long runs, but he'll also struggle at times.
Also, unless Payton really does a great job with play calling I don't think this offense will be on the field much. The defense compounds the problem by doing a great job of staying on the field for most of the game.
Or he manages to play in every game but he's like Edge during his first year back when he spent most of the second half of the season being utterly worthless.Of course, given how McAllister has only played a full season once since become the Saints' starter, the odds of him playing all 16 games coming are rather slim to begin with - and that's not taking into account the fact he's coming off a major injury.that's what I'm hoping they mean by "return to form." If he does, he's out for the season by week 5.
Why would you do that?
I don't understand why people decide to take out long plays. Fluke or not it happend. You do know we are still in the preseason right? Payton will not show us what he is really planning on doing untill week 1. Why would he give people extra time to game plan. I expect to see Bush all over the field, I doubt after 3 preseason games they are "Regreting" the drafting of Bush. If anything they are glad they did. Bush sells tickets, Jerseys, and creates a buzz and attention that the Saints would not be getting if he wasn't there. You should take a look at this post after week 5 and see if it seems way off or right on.
In general, many get on the bandwagon wanting to be the guy that drafts some phenom that somehow rips off 1500 yards and 15 TDs, looks like a Hall of Famer, and then gloat about it like they are the second coming of Vince LomGDbardi - regardless who it is. What does it matter that he's never played a down of NFL football and was always a man playing among boys? :softball:Good God this crap gets old. Ahhh hell, no it doesnt.Bizkiteer said:
I dont mind guys taking him early because they recognize the risk, but are taking the big swing that the kid lights it up and they nail the league to the wall. Its the imbeciles that are so certain of it, absent any evidence, and dont realize they only have about a 5% chance of him turning into Walter Payton or anything close. I hope he does, but being convinced he's already a superstud is poppycock.One said:
He has been the return man for several punts this preseason but apparently he has specific instructions to only fair catch the ball. Something about the experience of live punt fielding without the added injury risk.During the regular season he should be returning a few punts every games.Chaos Commish said:
Apples and oranges unless you really want to do your homework and isolate stats vs. 1st team defense. Unfortunately, then you still have the problem of too small of a sample size and different 1st team defenses being much better/worse than the average. What I take away from all of it is that Bush showed flashes of looking very good. For a rookie who has yet to play a real NFL down, that and general expectations from scouting and his college career are about all you have to go on. So of course he's a risk, compounded by the fact that he plays for a bad team with a difficult schedule and he has a good veteran player to compete with for playing time. I was still very happy to take him in the late 3rd where EVERY other RB still on the board had his own set of question marks.Let's also not forget that Deuce is coming back from an ACL tear. RBs are notorious for needing minimum of a full year to return to form (if ever). I drafted Edge his first year back from his tear and you know how that turned out. Edge was the best of the best at that time and even he needed a full season before returning to the elite at the position. Deuce is good but let's be realistic - he's no Edge. If Edge couldn't return to form in less than a 1 year time frame, I'm thinking Deuce is going to underwhelm also. Meanwhile, Bush is healthy with every indication that he's the real deal. I'm more concerned about that offense stinking it up to high heavens in general than I am of Deuce destroying Bush's value. Then again, the team playing from behind so often should actually contribute to Bush seeing the field more than Deuce because Bush should be more involved in the passing game. So, when it's all said and done, to me Bush seems like a fairly compelling option in the 3rd round, especially in PPR systems.Dancing Bear said:
Of that, he had two carries for 40 yards and a TD after Indy pulled its starters on defense and NO was still using their 1st team offense, so let's keep those numbers in context.4-20 against the first team D which still isn't bad.
The risk is what a lot of people in love with Bush are ignoring. I personally think he'll have a HOF career if he stays healthy since he's that special of a player. However, a lot of the people who love Bush are automatically assuming that Deuce will either suck or get hurt this year. It may happen but many act like it's a forgone conclusion and forgetting that Deuce is a very good RB himself and may actually benefit from having Bush on the team. There's also idea that Deuce was bad in 2004 since he only had 1000 yards and a 4.0 YPC. However, he had an ankle injury that sidelined him for a few weeks and it took him a few more to get 100%. He had a 100 yards rushing in 4 of his last 8 games.Last year his first two games were bad against the Panthers and Giants, but his next two were good. Then he was injured in the 5th game.
Deuce is a scary proposition in his own right. I will say I place the blame for a lot of that on the Saints coaching staff. That offensive game plan the past two seasons was positively abysmal. I dont think another back in the league suffered at the hands of an inept offensive scheme as much as he did. I'd put SJax up there too, but I see a few things in his game that I dont like either.
take away that 44 yard run vs. Titans, and Bush looks average..nothing spectacular..he has talent no doubt, but let's remember it was preseason,and it was the Titans..Jerius Norwood just had an even BETTER run vs. Titans this past weekend..I'm not ready to call him the best RB in the draft, either..Bush looks to me likes he's Brian Westbrook, Jr, i.e., 700-800 rush yards, 500-600 receiving yards...at least this year..RBBC..Deuce is still hanging around..2007 may be a completely different story, but for this year, its hard to see Bush getting more than 175 carries, slightly more than 10 carries per game..Chaos Commish said:Give Bush those two runs and there would have only been one run for the same yardage Deuce got in two runs.
I took Bush early as my RB3 (Flex position) and the threat of the big play is what makes him appealing. Take away the 44 yd run?! That's like saying take the deep ball away from Payton and he looks average. Why ignore the big play potential that Reggie has? Just because he doesn't do that on every play doesn't mean you ignore the potential. Did I know the risks when I drafted him? Absolutely...but I decided to swing for the fences. I've won my league 2 years running (with 2 second's before that)...no need to be conservative.take away that 44 yard run vs. Titans, and Bush looks average..nothing spectacular..Chaos Commish said:Give Bush those two runs and there would have only been one run for the same yardage Deuce got in two runs.
