Deuce McAllister (1 Viewer)

[compreal]

i dont get it. how is Deuce the #35 ranked RB going into week 2?

how are reuben droughns, wali lundy, corey dillon, and ahman green all ranked ahead of deuce.

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.

judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).

anyone else feel the same?

 

[Doug B]

#35 seems almost like a ranking that averages out two extreme -- but plausible -- events: (1) that Deuce knocks in 2 or 3 short-yardage TDs, and (2) that Deuce does almost nothing while Bush scores twice from outside of the red zone.

At least with Bush, the receptions/recvg yardage gives his numbers something of a safety net.

 

[Shermanator]

i dont get it. how is Deuce the #35 ranked RB going into week 2?how are reuben droughns, wali lundy, corey dillon, and ahman green all ranked ahead of deuce.deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards. reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).anyone else feel the same?

The only way Duece is a top 20 back this week is if he scores. His yards compared to Bush's yards are now and will be laughable. Duece is the starter by definition only. Bush is the play maker there. If the Saints hold true to their strategy of getting the ball in Bush's hands 21 times a game, what does that leave Duece?Especially in games the Saints will be playing catchup....which seems like that will be often.I liken Duece's offensive output to Lawrence Maroney right now. Where do you rank Maroney?

 

[Islander]

i dont get it. how is Deuce the #35 ranked RB going into week 2?

how are reuben droughns, wali lundy, corey dillon, and ahman green all ranked ahead of deuce.

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.

judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).

anyone else feel the same?

A Green is the clear starter in GB, ran for 20-110 against the Bears, this week he plays the Saints D, and you prefer McAllister? GB defense is no worse than NO defense. I could see preferring McAllister to the other guys you listed, but forget about A Green.

 

[Doug B]

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

Re: the stats above, IMHO, are sort of flukey on the high side. The Saints won't have games as much "in control" as they did last week in Cleveland. There were a lot of extra clock-killing carries last game that won't be there regularly. Wouldn't shock me at all if that was McAllisters high-carry game for the season (barring injury).

 

[compreal]

The only way Duece is a top 20 back this week is if he scores. His yards compared to Bush's yards are now and will be laughable. Duece is the starter by definition only. Bush is the play maker there. If the Saints hold true to their strategy of getting the ball in Bush's hands 21 times a game, what does that leave Duece?Especially in games the Saints will be playing catchup....which seems like that will be often.I liken Duece's offensive output to Lawrence Maroney right now. Where do you rank Maroney?

i would rank maroney in the top 25-30 backs and i would rank him ahead of dillon. the only reason i wouldnt have him higher is because dillon and maroney had an almost 50% equitable split of carries in week 1. further along in the season, i can see maroney being ranked much, much higher.i just can't see bush getting more carries than deuce in the red zone. and so long as deuce gets 17+ carries per game i think he should be a top 20ish start.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.

judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).

anyone else feel the same?

I don't know that I would put him at 35, but I will counter a couple of your points.1) my understanding is that something like 9 of his 22 carries came in the 4th quarter as they were trying to kill the clock. This is New Orleans - until we see otherwise on a consistent basis, it is hard to assume they will be in clock killing mode against anyone...even green bay. Last year was obviously a disaster for the saints, but the packers weren't much better and they still managed to whomp the saints 52-3

2) I think most people would characterize cleveland's run d as "repugnant" before they called it "resilient" at least until proven otherwise on a consistent basis. Green bay, on the other hand, held the bears to just over 100yds total last week, while they were beaten soundly by the bears passing game. (how many catches did deuce have?)

3) Last time I checked, most fantasy leagues give RBs points for receiving yards, so compare deuce's 90 to Bush's 119, not 61. If NO is behind, the assumption is that they would pass more, leading to more bush touches and less Deuce touches.

4) bush got 119 yard in 22 touches. Duece got 90 in 22 touches. Who would you give the ball to more often?

Like I said, I don't think I would put deuce as low as 35, but do you at least understand the possible arguments, and why some of your points look like strawman comparisons?

 

[Doug B]

i just can't see bush getting more carries than deuce in the red zone.

This is iffy to me. Deuce will get most of the work from the three-yard-line and in ... but from the 20 to the 5, either guy could be used about with equal frequency. However, Bush is likely still to have more red-zone touches than McAllister. It's not a cut-and-dried thing ... Bush doesn't leave the field once the Saints are in the red zone. In fact, passing the ball to Bush in space and within 20 yards of the end zone is a very solid play with a decent chance to pay off six points.

 

[compreal]

I don't know that I would put him at 35, but I will counter a couple of your points.

1) my understanding is that something like 9 of his 22 carries came in the 4th quarter as they were trying to kill the clock. This is New Orleans - until we see otherwise on a consistent basis, it is hard to assume they will be in clock killing mode against anyone...even green bay. Last year was obviously a disaster for the saints, but the packers weren't much better and they still managed to whomp the saints 52-3

2) I think most people would characterize cleveland's run d as "repugnant" before they called it "resilient" at least until proven otherwise on a consistent basis. Green bay, on the other hand, held the bears to just over 100yds total last week, while they were beaten soundly by the bears passing game. (how many catches did deuce have?)

3) Last time I checked, most fantasy leagues give RBs points for receiving yards, so compare deuce's 90 to Bush's 119, not 61. If NO is behind, the assumption is that they would pass more, leading to more bush touches and less Deuce touches.

4) bush got 119 yard in 22 touches. Duece got 90 in 22 touches. Who would you give the ball to more often?

Like I said, I don't think I would put deuce as low as 35, but do you at least understand the possible arguments, and why some of your points look like strawman comparisons?

thanks for the good post. i didnt know that 9 of his carries came in garbage clock kill time. where would you rank deuce for week 2 then? do you think 35 is accurate?

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I don't know that I would put him at 35, but I will counter a couple of your points.

1) my understanding is that something like 9 of his 22 carries came in the 4th quarter as they were trying to kill the clock. This is New Orleans - until we see otherwise on a consistent basis, it is hard to assume they will be in clock killing mode against anyone...even green bay. Last year was obviously a disaster for the saints, but the packers weren't much better and they still managed to whomp the saints 52-3

2) I think most people would characterize cleveland's run d as "repugnant" before they called it "resilient" at least until proven otherwise on a consistent basis. Green bay, on the other hand, held the bears to just over 100yds total last week, while they were beaten soundly by the bears passing game. (how many catches did deuce have?)

3) Last time I checked, most fantasy leagues give RBs points for receiving yards, so compare deuce's 90 to Bush's 119, not 61. If NO is behind, the assumption is that they would pass more, leading to more bush touches and less Deuce touches.

4) bush got 119 yard in 22 touches. Duece got 90 in 22 touches. Who would you give the ball to more often?

Like I said, I don't think I would put deuce as low as 35, but do you at least understand the possible arguments, and why some of your points look like strawman comparisons?

thanks for the good post. i didnt know that 9 of his carries came in garbage clock kill time. where would you rank deuce for week 2 then? do you think 35 is accurate?

Looking at those projections, I'd probably slot him around the high 20's to 30 - I'd project about 60-80 yards (almost all on the ground if ppr matters) and about a 50% chance of a TD - that slots right in that range. But keep in mind, I'm horrible at projections.

 

[fenwah]

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.

judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).

anyone else feel the same?

I don't know that I would put him at 35, but I will counter a couple of your points.1) my understanding is that something like 9 of his 22 carries came in the 4th quarter as they were trying to kill the clock. This is New Orleans - until we see otherwise on a consistent basis, it is hard to assume they will be in clock killing mode against anyone...even green bay. Last year was obviously a disaster for the saints, but the packers weren't much better and they still managed to whomp the saints 52-3

2) I think most people would characterize cleveland's run d as "repugnant" before they called it "resilient" at least until proven otherwise on a consistent basis. Green bay, on the other hand, held the bears to just over 100yds total last week, while they were beaten soundly by the bears passing game. (how many catches did deuce have?)

3) Last time I checked, most fantasy leagues give RBs points for receiving yards, so compare deuce's 90 to Bush's 119, not 61. If NO is behind, the assumption is that they would pass more, leading to more bush touches and less Deuce touches.

4) bush got 119 yard in 22 touches. Duece got 90 in 22 touches. Who would you give the ball to more often?

Like I said, I don't think I would put deuce as low as 35, but do you at least understand the possible arguments, and why some of your points look like strawman comparisons?

 

[Sidewinder]

Probably some homer sentiment factors into this thinking, but I have to disagree with the premise in some of the above posts that the Saints will be playing from behind alot (again) this season. The defense is marginally improved, and the o-line is solid (no sacks and 150+ rushing yards last week), which will keep games closer. But the biggest factor is we don't have a turnover prone and poor-decision maker at QB any longer, so I don't see many 17-0 or 24-7 2nd quarter holes to dig out of this year. Just MHO.

 

[Bad_Mo]

What we do know is that Deuce is a veteran who can be counted on in key situations, he has produced good results in the past, but he is coming off a serious injury from last year. Bush is a rookie with a ton of talent.

While the weekly rankings of Deuce may be modest, at best, for the next several weeks, let's just see how Bush reacts to the rigors of the pro game on or about week 10.

I think Deuce's value increases as the season wears on.

 

[ATC1]

I really think Bush will be utilized spread out much like last week and Deuce will get a majority of the carries from week to week. It's a hunch, and I say Deuce gets a score and 80 yards this week.

Note: I don't own Deuce in any leagues, but I am a Homer. I saw the game and think the Saints are doing a good job spreading the defense out and running the ball with Deuce.

 

[Doug B]

While the weekly rankings of Deuce may be modest, at best, for the next several weeks, let's just see how Bush reacts to the rigors of the pro game on or about week 10.I think Deuce's value increases as the season wears on.

I feel the opposite -- I worry much more about Deuce not holding up than Bush. Deuce has my respect, but I'll consider it a minor miracle if he plays 16 games.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Probably some homer sentiment factors into this thinking, but I have to disagree with the premise in some of the above posts that the Saints will be playing from behind alot (again) this season. The defense is marginally improved, and the o-line is solid (no sacks and 150+ rushing yards last week), which will keep games closer. But the biggest factor is we don't have a turnover prone and poor-decision maker at QB any longer, so I don't see many 17-0 or 24-7 2nd quarter holes to dig out of this year. Just MHO.

Saints next 13 games... Atl-Car.-TB-Phi-Bal-TB-Pit-Cin-Atl-SF-Dal-Was-NYGSeems like a nice easy sch...huh!

 

[Doug B]

Probably some homer sentiment factors into this thinking, but I have to disagree with the premise in some of the above posts that the Saints will be playing from behind alot (again) this season. The defense is marginally improved, and the o-line is solid (no sacks and 150+ rushing yards last week), which will keep games closer. But the biggest factor is we don't have a turnover prone and poor-decision maker at QB any longer, so I don't see many 17-0 or 24-7 2nd quarter holes to dig out of this year. Just MHO.

Saints next 13 games... Atl-Car.-TB-Phi-Bal-TB-Pit-Cin-Atl-SF-Dal-Was-NYGSeems like a nice easy sch...huh!

I agree with Sidewinder. Tough schedule, but this is the NFL, and everyone can play. The 2006 Saints have little in common with the 2005 squad ... I don't see the Saints getting blown out of the water often, not even in losses.

 

[Traders2001]

WHo cares where they rank him , if you have him you are old enough to make the decision to play him or not .

 

[Marc Levin]

i dont get it. how is Deuce the #35 ranked RB going into week 2?

how are reuben droughns, wali lundy, corey dillon, and ahman green all ranked ahead of deuce.

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.

judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).

anyone else feel the same?

The only way Duece is a top 20 back this week is if he scores. His yards compared to Bush's yards are now and will be laughable. Duece is the starter by definition only. Bush is the play maker there. If the Saints hold true to their strategy of getting the ball in Bush's hands 21 times a game, what does that leave Duece?Especially in games the Saints will be playing catchup....which seems like that will be often.I liken Duece's offensive output to Lawrence Maroney right now. Where do you rank Maroney?

I'm sick of seeing this as a reason to downgrade Deuce.20 times a game INCLUDES special teams and INCLUDES plans to throw to him 6-8 times a game. There are 10 intended touches per game, leaving 10 carries. I'm pretty sure Deuce can get the ball in his hands 15-18 carries and 1-2 catches per game with Bush touching the ball 20 times.

That said, I agree with our rankings. Unless we predict Deuce seeing the end zone (which we are not doing), he is a 5-7 FP scorer - as a HIGH SIDE.

 

[cstu]

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.

judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).

anyone else feel the same?

I don't know that I would put him at 35, but I will counter a couple of your points.1) my understanding is that something like 9 of his 22 carries came in the 4th quarter as they were trying to kill the clock. This is New Orleans - until we see otherwise on a consistent basis, it is hard to assume they will be in clock killing mode against anyone...even green bay. Last year was obviously a disaster for the saints, but the packers weren't much better and they still managed to whomp the saints 52-3

2) I think most people would characterize cleveland's run d as "repugnant" before they called it "resilient" at least until proven otherwise on a consistent basis. Green bay, on the other hand, held the bears to just over 100yds total last week, while they were beaten soundly by the bears passing game. (how many catches did deuce have?)

3) Last time I checked, most fantasy leagues give RBs points for receiving yards, so compare deuce's 90 to Bush's 119, not 61. If NO is behind, the assumption is that they would pass more, leading to more bush touches and less Deuce touches.

4) bush got 119 yard in 22 touches. Duece got 90 in 22 touches. Who would you give the ball to more often?

Like I said, I don't think I would put deuce as low as 35, but do you at least understand the possible arguments, and why some of your points look like strawman comparisons?

Deuce had 4-5 carries every quarter and just got a few extra at the end of the game. I think NO's defense is much better this year and they will grind out a lot of games and that means a heavy dose of Deuce. While Deuce didn't get into the endzone (neither did Bush) he will be the goal line back if they get into that situation. The Browns actually have a good run defense but the Saints two-headed attack was too much - like it will be for many teams this year.

 

[cstu]

i dont get it. how is Deuce the #35 ranked RB going into week 2?

how are reuben droughns, wali lundy, corey dillon, and ahman green all ranked ahead of deuce.

deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards.

reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.

judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).

anyone else feel the same?

The only way Duece is a top 20 back this week is if he scores. His yards compared to Bush's yards are now and will be laughable. Duece is the starter by definition only. Bush is the play maker there. If the Saints hold true to their strategy of getting the ball in Bush's hands 21 times a game, what does that leave Duece?Especially in games the Saints will be playing catchup....which seems like that will be often.I liken Duece's offensive output to Lawrence Maroney right now. Where do you rank Maroney?

I'm sick of seeing this as a reason to downgrade Deuce.20 times a game INCLUDES special teams and INCLUDES plans to throw to him 6-8 times a game. There are 10 intended touches per game, leaving 10 carries. I'm pretty sure Deuce can get the ball in his hands 15-18 carries and 1-2 catches per game with Bush touching the ball 20 times.

That said, I agree with our rankings. Unless we predict Deuce seeing the end zone (which we are not doing), he is a 5-7 FP scorer - as a HIGH SIDE.

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

 

[Billy1x]

i dont get it. how is Deuce the #35 ranked RB going into week 2?how are reuben droughns, wali lundy, corey dillon, and ahman green all ranked ahead of deuce.deuce is the #1 rb for the saints. he had 22 carries in week 1 against a resilient Cleve D and ran for 90 hard fought yards. reggie bush, by comparison, only had 14 carries for 61 yards not including receiving yards.judging by week 1 #s and considering that the Saints play the pitiful Packers this weekend, i would have thought deuce would be ranked somewhere between 13 (deshaun foster) and 20 (edge).anyone else feel the same?

Packers Defense Pitiful????Only 1 TD given up to the Chicago offenseThomas Jones - 21 carries for 63 yardsThats only 3 yards per carryIt was the Packers offense and specifically the play calling and Jennings bad route running that caused the loss - Not the defenseAlso, N. Orleans has WAIVER WIRE full backs this week for lead blockers.

 

[Blue-Kun]

Packers Defense Pitiful????

Only 1 TD given up to the Chicago offense

Thomas Jones - 21 carries for 63 yards

Thats only 3 yards per carry

Yeah, teams are totally freaking out over the CHI offense. The utter beast that managed 16.2 points per game last year in a powderpuff division. A team that was ranked just above SF, Houston and the Jets last year in total offense. Certainly a one game sample against a team with one of the least scoring offenses in the league is a way to judge defense.

 

[Marc Levin]

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

The game after Deuce actually shows he can punch it in or the play calling shows any kind of confidence in him down there. Gotta get there before he gets the GL opps.Here's the closest they got in the Cle game and here's their play list:

1-10-CLE12 (15:00) D.Brees pass incomplete to D.McAllister. 2-10-CLE12 (14:56) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 7 for 5 yards (Andra.Davis). 3-5-CLE7 (14:36) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to R.Bush. 4-5-CLE7 (14:31) J.Carney 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

Rushed Deuce from the 12, he got 5 yards. Next play, threw to Bush (apparently, GL doesn't mean automatic Deuce time)

1-10-CLE19 (11:36) R.Bush left end pushed ob at CLV 11 for 8 yards (G.Baxter). 2-2-CLE11 (11:07) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 9 for 2 yards (S.Jones). NO-K.Joseph was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. 1-9-CLE9 (10:34) D.Brees pass short right to J.Horn to CLV 4 for 5 yards (G.Baxter). 2-4-CLE4 (9:57) R.Bush right tackle to CLV 2 for 2 yards (Andra.Davis). 3-2-CLE2 (9:13) D.McAllister right guard to CLV 3 for -1 yards (T.Washington). 4-3-CLE3 (8:29) J.Carney 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

Bush once from the 4, got 2 yards. Deuce once from the 2 and he lost a yard. Result = FG Deuce may NOT be the GL back considering they have now mixed Bush and Deuce both running and passing from inside the 10. Next possession near the GL:

1-10-CLE20 (2:59) D.McAllister left tackle to CLV 13 for 7 yards (G.Baxter, Andra.Davis). 2-3-CLE13 (2:40) D.McAllister right tackle to CLV 12 for 1 yard (W.McGinest, E.Kelley). CLV-N.Eason was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. 3-2-CLE12 (2:06) D.Brees pass short right to M.Colston for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN. J.Carney extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

Here they fed Deuce once they got to the 20, but called a pass play with 2 yards to go and inside the 15. Hmmm, this idea of the team mnostly using Deuce at the GL and to the exclusion of Bush is getting shakier and shakier. Next:

1-2-CLE2 (7:08) D.Brees up the middle to CLV 1 for 1 yard (T.Washington). 2-1-CLE1 (6:35) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 2 for -1 yards (E.Kelley, Andra.Davis). 3-2-CLE2 (5:48) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to M.Colston. 4-2-CLE2 (5:45) J.Carney 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

From the 2 yard line - QB sneak for a yard, one attempt by Deuce from the 1 for -1, Brees passes on 3rd and goal from the 2. This idea of the team using Deuce down near the GL is REALLY shaky - and I really don't feel confident predicting Deuce punching it in given his negative yards from inside the 5 in this game and the play calling.Good 'nuff?

 

[Shermanator]

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

The game after Deuce actually shows he can punch it in or the play calling shows any kind of confidence in him down there. Gotta get there before he gets the GL opps.Here's the closest they got in the Cle game and here's their play list:

1-10-CLE12 (15:00) D.Brees pass incomplete to D.McAllister. 2-10-CLE12 (14:56) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 7 for 5 yards (Andra.Davis). 3-5-CLE7 (14:36) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to R.Bush. 4-5-CLE7 (14:31) J.Carney 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

Rushed Deuce from the 12, he got 5 yards. Next play, threw to Bush (apparently, GL doesn't mean automatic Deuce time)

1-10-CLE19 (11:36) R.Bush left end pushed ob at CLV 11 for 8 yards (G.Baxter). 2-2-CLE11 (11:07) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 9 for 2 yards (S.Jones). NO-K.Joseph was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. 1-9-CLE9 (10:34) D.Brees pass short right to J.Horn to CLV 4 for 5 yards (G.Baxter). 2-4-CLE4 (9:57) R.Bush right tackle to CLV 2 for 2 yards (Andra.Davis). 3-2-CLE2 (9:13) D.McAllister right guard to CLV 3 for -1 yards (T.Washington). 4-3-CLE3 (8:29) J.Carney 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

Bush once from the 4, got 2 yards. Deuce once from the 2 and he lost a yard. Result = FG Deuce may NOT be the GL back considering they have now mixed Bush and Deuce both running and passing from inside the 10. Next possession near the GL:

1-10-CLE20 (2:59) D.McAllister left tackle to CLV 13 for 7 yards (G.Baxter, Andra.Davis). 2-3-CLE13 (2:40) D.McAllister right tackle to CLV 12 for 1 yard (W.McGinest, E.Kelley). CLV-N.Eason was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. 3-2-CLE12 (2:06) D.Brees pass short right to M.Colston for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN. J.Carney extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

Here they fed Deuce once they got to the 20, but called a pass play with 2 yards to go and inside the 15. Hmmm, this idea of the team mnostly using Deuce at the GL and to the exclusion of Bush is getting shakier and shakier. Next:

1-2-CLE2 (7:08) D.Brees up the middle to CLV 1 for 1 yard (T.Washington). 2-1-CLE1 (6:35) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 2 for -1 yards (E.Kelley, Andra.Davis). 3-2-CLE2 (5:48) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to M.Colston. 4-2-CLE2 (5:45) J.Carney 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

From the 2 yard line - QB sneak for a yard, one attempt by Deuce from the 1 for -1, Brees passes on 3rd and goal from the 2. This idea of the team using Deuce down near the GL is REALLY shaky - and I really don't feel confident predicting Deuce punching it in given his negative yards from inside the 5 in this game and the play calling.Good 'nuff?

Good post. I didnt check the play by play for the game in the redzone. From what I read here is, Duece is steady inside the 20. But not strong enough at the goaline. Couple that with the fact that Bush got a carry at the goaline and gained positive yardage is also a plus. Im not saying that Bush will be the goaline back. But some questions do seem to "slowly but surely" be answered. Bush compared to Duece does not seem to be a goaline back, but I can see him getting some more touches inside the five.

 

[Marc Levin]

and (IMO, much more importantly) TARGETS.

The Saints are clearly not shy throwing the ball down there when they face tough run Ds - and Bush will get a handful of chances at the GL even if McAllister is healthy and available

 

[cstu]

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

The game after Deuce actually shows he can punch it in or the play calling shows any kind of confidence in him down there. Gotta get there before he gets the GL opps.Here's the closest they got in the Cle game and here's their play list:3-2-CLE2 (9:13) D.McAllister right guard to CLV 3 for -1 yards (T.Washington). 2-1-CLE1 (6:35) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 2 for -1 yards (E.Kelley, Andra.Davis). This idea of the team using Deuce down near the GL is REALLY shaky - and I really don't feel confident predicting Deuce punching it in given his negative yards from inside the 5 in this game and the play calling.Good 'nuff?

Deuce got two shots and didn't get in vs. a stout 3-4 defense expecting run. I don't think it's indicative of what the Saints plan to do this season with Deuce. We shall see but if there's a week to expect Deuce to get a TD it's this one.

 

[Doug B]

and (IMO, much more importantly) TARGETS.The Saints are clearly not shy throwing the ball down there when they face tough run Ds

On top of that ... Colston is proving to be a huge matchup headache in the endzone.On that second target in the endzone, from the 2 yard line, Colston had his man shielded off perfectly. Brees just yipped the short throw and nailed the defender in the shoulder pad. Had Brees thrown the ball with a little arc and out a little more toward the far corner of the endzone, Colston scores a second TD on that play.

 

[gzilla]

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

The game after Deuce actually shows he can punch it in or the play calling shows any kind of confidence in him down there. Gotta get there before he gets the GL opps.Here's the closest they got in the Cle game and here's their play list:3-2-CLE2 (9:13) D.McAllister right guard to CLV 3 for -1 yards (T.Washington). 2-1-CLE1 (6:35) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 2 for -1 yards (E.Kelley, Andra.Davis). This idea of the team using Deuce down near the GL is REALLY shaky - and I really don't feel confident predicting Deuce punching it in given his negative yards from inside the 5 in this game and the play calling.Good 'nuff?

Deuce got two shots and didn't get in vs. a stout 3-4 defense expecting run. I don't think it's indicative of what the Saints plan to do this season with Deuce. We shall see but if there's a week to expect Deuce to get a TD it's this one.

Also, in the interest of having all of the information, both of the Saints fullbacks were out of the game at that point. They were running with no fullback in goalline or with Ernie Conwell as the fullback.I was concerned with Deuce coming off the injury. However, he looked very good and just as powerful as ever last week. I think Deuce will have several good games this year and he will get the majority of the runs inside the 5 yard line. Don't let Bush's touches fool you. He's getting them all over the place. Deuce will touch the ball 15-20 times every game.

 

[Sidewinder]

...Also, N. Orleans has WAIVER WIRE full backs this week for lead blockers.

Can't be any worse than playing the final 3 quarters vs Cleveland with ZERO full backs.

 

[Keys Myaths]

That's about where I'd have him ranked.

Look, folks, there's just too much working against him right now. He's only getting about half the touches he should, because of Bush. The OL sucks, and he's a guy that relies on the OL to set up his blocks. His FB situation is crap. He doesn't catch passes, that's Reggie's job.

So, you're relying on him to score. Fine. Realize, though, that first, they have to get the ball inside the five...they have to run the ball, and then, they have to use Deuce (which isn't a given...Reggie was given a shot or two last week).

With all that combined, you're expecting a top 25 performance?

No thanks.

 

[ArcticEdge]

That's about where I'd have him ranked.Look, folks, there's just too much working against him right now. He's only getting about half the touches he should, because of Bush. The OL sucks, and he's a guy that relies on the OL to set up his blocks. His FB situation is crap. He doesn't catch passes, that's Reggie's job.So, you're relying on him to score. Fine. Realize, though, that first, they have to get the ball inside the five...they have to run the ball, and then, they have to use Deuce (which isn't a given...Reggie was given a shot or two last week).With all that combined, you're expecting a top 25 performance?No thanks.

Why do you hate America?

 

[Keys Myaths]

That's about where I'd have him ranked.Look, folks, there's just too much working against him right now. He's only getting about half the touches he should, because of Bush. The OL sucks, and he's a guy that relies on the OL to set up his blocks. His FB situation is crap. He doesn't catch passes, that's Reggie's job.So, you're relying on him to score. Fine. Realize, though, that first, they have to get the ball inside the five...they have to run the ball, and then, they have to use Deuce (which isn't a given...Reggie was given a shot or two last week).With all that combined, you're expecting a top 25 performance?No thanks.

Why do you hate America?

Because I used to be in television news.It's part of the brainwashing process they use.

 

[Gargoylez]

4) bush got 119 yard in 22 touches. Duece got 90 in 22 touches. Who would you give the ball to more often?

Horrible comparison.

Bush was sent into open space, and had many receiving opportunities.

Duece was inbetween the tackles, getting the tough yards, a closer for lack of better terms.

My point is, it doesnt make McCalister out of the top 24. He should be ranked between 15-20 without a doubt. Just because Bush is a WR for half the game doesn't mean you should compare silly stats to try and make a point. He should eb ranked where he is.

Deuce is a borderline RB#2 this week IMO.

Also I hope he kicks assssss so I can trade him.

 

[TitusIII]

Packers Defense Pitiful????

Only 1 TD given up to the Chicago offense

Thomas Jones - 21 carries for 63 yards

Thats only 3 yards per carry

Yeah, teams are totally freaking out over the CHI offense. The utter beast that managed 16.2 points per game last year in a powderpuff division. A team that was ranked just above SF, Houston and the Jets last year in total offense. Certainly a one game sample against a team with one of the least scoring offenses in the league is a way to judge defense.

This isn't last year, and Grossman isn't Orton.

 

[Lauryn]

Packers Defense Pitiful????

Only 1 TD given up to the Chicago offense

Thomas Jones - 21 carries for 63 yards

Thats only 3 yards per carry

Yeah, teams are totally freaking out over the CHI offense. The utter beast that managed 16.2 points per game last year in a powderpuff division. A team that was ranked just above SF, Houston and the Jets last year in total offense. Certainly a one game sample against a team with one of the least scoring offenses in the league is a way to judge defense.

This isn't last year, and Grossman isn't Orton.

people don't realize how friggin AWFUL orton really was last year.

 

[Marc Levin]

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

The game after Deuce actually shows he can punch it in or the play calling shows any kind of confidence in him down there. Gotta get there before he gets the GL opps.Here's the closest they got in the Cle game and here's their play list:3-2-CLE2 (9:13) D.McAllister right guard to CLV 3 for -1 yards (T.Washington). 2-1-CLE1 (6:35) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 2 for -1 yards (E.Kelley, Andra.Davis). This idea of the team using Deuce down near the GL is REALLY shaky - and I really don't feel confident predicting Deuce punching it in given his negative yards from inside the 5 in this game and the play calling.Good 'nuff?

Deuce got two shots and didn't get in vs. a stout 3-4 defense expecting run. I don't think it's indicative of what the Saints plan to do this season with Deuce. We shall see but if there's a week to expect Deuce to get a TD it's this one.

??? Not getting your cut and paste action - my post was designed as much to show that the team does not FEED Deuce down there as it was to show his two rushes from the 1.Based on last week, it is not the week to "expect" a TD from anyone - least of all, Deuce.

 

[Marc Levin]

That's about where I'd have him ranked.Look, folks, there's just too much working against him right now. He's only getting about half the touches he should, because of Bush. The OL sucks, and he's a guy that relies on the OL to set up his blocks. His FB situation is crap. He doesn't catch passes, that's Reggie's job.So, you're relying on him to score. Fine. Realize, though, that first, they have to get the ball inside the five...they have to run the ball, and then, they have to use Deuce (which isn't a given...Reggie was given a shot or two last week).With all that combined, you're expecting a top 25 performance?No thanks.

Why do you hate America?

That is a statement full of truthiness.

 

[Marc Levin]

My point is, it doesnt make McCalister out of the top 24. He should be ranked between 15-20 without a doubt.

???Like I said above, unless you PREDICT a TD from Deuce, he should NOT be ranked inside the top-24. We do not predict a TD from Deuce.I foresee 60-65 yards or so from Deuce, with .5 TDs (meaning he scores 0 or 1 TDs). With that kind of probability of a stat line, he is a borderline RB3 - appropriately ranked at #35.Since Dave also ranked Bush at #16, Deuce at #35 makes even MORE sense. Here's the deal - *you* see Deuce with a TD this week, we have him underranked. *You* do NOT see Deuce with a TD, he is appropriately ranked.

 

[Wingnut]

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[Gargoylez]

My point is, it doesnt make McCalister out of the top 24. He should be ranked between 15-20 without a doubt.

???Like I said above, unless you PREDICT a TD from Deuce, he should NOT be ranked inside the top-24. We do not predict a TD from Deuce.I foresee 60-65 yards or so from Deuce, with .5 TDs (meaning he scores 0 or 1 TDs). With that kind of probability of a stat line, he is a borderline RB3 - appropriately ranked at #35.Since Dave also ranked Bush at #16, Deuce at #35 makes even MORE sense. Here's the deal - *you* see Deuce with a TD this week, we have him underranked. *You* do NOT see Deuce with a TD, he is appropriately ranked.

LOL!No he is the goalline back... he gets the ball as much as Bush.They made a horrible prediction, PERIOD.

 

[cstu]

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

The game after Deuce actually shows he can punch it in or the play calling shows any kind of confidence in him down there. Gotta get there before he gets the GL opps.Here's the closest they got in the Cle game and here's their play list:3-2-CLE2 (9:13) D.McAllister right guard to CLV 3 for -1 yards (T.Washington). 2-1-CLE1 (6:35) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 2 for -1 yards (E.Kelley, Andra.Davis). This idea of the team using Deuce down near the GL is REALLY shaky - and I really don't feel confident predicting Deuce punching it in given his negative yards from inside the 5 in this game and the play calling.Good 'nuff?

Deuce got two shots and didn't get in vs. a stout 3-4 defense expecting run. I don't think it's indicative of what the Saints plan to do this season with Deuce. We shall see but if there's a week to expect Deuce to get a TD it's this one.

??? Not getting your cut and paste action - my post was designed as much to show that the team does not FEED Deuce down there as it was to show his two rushes from the 1.Based on last week, it is not the week to "expect" a TD from anyone - least of all, Deuce.

 

[gman8343]

 

[Sidewinder]

If you aren't predicting a TD for Deuce in this game, which game will you?

The game after Deuce actually shows he can punch it in or the play calling shows any kind of confidence in him down there. Gotta get there before he gets the GL opps.Here's the closest they got in the Cle game and here's their play list:3-2-CLE2 (9:13) D.McAllister right guard to CLV 3 for -1 yards (T.Washington). 2-1-CLE1 (6:35) D.McAllister left guard to CLV 2 for -1 yards (E.Kelley, Andra.Davis). This idea of the team using Deuce down near the GL is REALLY shaky - and I really don't feel confident predicting Deuce punching it in given his negative yards from inside the 5 in this game and the play calling.Good 'nuff?

Deuce got two shots and didn't get in vs. a stout 3-4 defense expecting run. I don't think it's indicative of what the Saints plan to do this season with Deuce. We shall see but if there's a week to expect Deuce to get a TD it's this one.

??? Not getting your cut and paste action - my post was designed as much to show that the team does not FEED Deuce down there as it was to show his two rushes from the 1.Based on last week, it is not the week to "expect" a TD from anyone - least of all, Deuce.

Deuce McAllister, 23 Yd run (John Carney kick is good), 7:54. Drive: 1 play, 23 yards in 0:07.

 

[bbuster]

UGHHHHHHH! I've got to stay away from cheatsheets. Last week I had a couple of guys I pulled from my lineup because the cheatsheets had them ranked so much lower than I did...I mean A LOT lower. So I changed my lineup and lost at least 40 points. This week it was Deuce. I liked the matchup with GB, but again I look and see him at #35. There's another 20 points minimum on my bench. I don't blame FBG's...I'm the idiot.

 

[BoulderBob]

Packers Defense Pitiful????

Only 1 TD given up to the Chicago offense

Thomas Jones - 21 carries for 63 yards

Thats only 3 yards per carry

Yeah, teams are totally freaking out over the CHI offense. The utter beast that managed 16.2 points per game last year in a powderpuff division. A team that was ranked just above SF, Houston and the Jets last year in total offense. Certainly a one game sample against a team with one of the least scoring offenses in the league is a way to judge defense.

This isn't last year, and Grossman isn't Orton.

 

[[scooter]]

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[Your Mom]

UGHHHHHHH! I've got to stay away from cheatsheets. Last week I had a couple of guys I pulled from my lineup because the cheatsheets had them ranked so much lower than I did...I mean A LOT lower. So I changed my lineup and lost at least 40 points. This week it was Deuce. I liked the matchup with GB, but again I look and see him at #35. There's another 20 points minimum on my bench. I don't blame FBG's...I'm the idiot.

This is a very good post. Trust yourself and that is it. Whoever you think should play, play them. Football guys is more for strategy and player discussion. Predicting what is going to happen is impossible. Trust yourself and you'll be fine.

 

[Gargoylez]

UGHHHHHHH! I've got to stay away from cheatsheets. Last week I had a couple of guys I pulled from my lineup because the cheatsheets had them ranked so much lower than I did...I mean A LOT lower. So I changed my lineup and lost at least 40 points. This week it was Deuce. I liked the matchup with GB, but again I look and see him at #35. There's another 20 points minimum on my bench. I don't blame FBG's...I'm the idiot.

No FBG's knew the Packers have a pourous defense, Deuce is the goalline back...IT was a horrible call by FBG's. I wish I started him over Chester Taylor and McGahee......... but according to FBG's I shouldnt... and Deuce was better then both of them combined.

 

[Wingnut]

Safe to say, from here on out, Deuce is a good start at the RB2 spot until further notice.