Dez Bryant or Miles Austin (1 Viewer)

[primitivepursuit]

Will Jason Garrett please tell us in fantasy land who is going to be he #1 in Dallas... PLEASE. Austin's last 5 weeks have seen 2/3/7/2/2 receptions with 1 score. While Bryant's production has been 1/4/7/9/3 receptions with 5 scores. Over that time period they are getting the same amount of looks (34) but Bryant is getting the lions share over the last 2 with +7 and appears to have a Kitna man-crush going on. Who is likely to see more paint from here on out for the rest of the season (that is if the Boys can find the end zone)?

 

[two_dollars]

Dez with Kitna at QB, Austin when Romo comes back. Also.. whoever is not double covered.

 

[phillyphan07]

it seems like Bryant is a little better at adjusting to Kitna's below-average pass in the air and thats why he is getting the receptions....

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Dez with Kitna at QB, Austin when Romo comes back. Also.. whoever is not double covered.

This for this season, but I got a feeling that Dez will be the man next year regardless of who the QB is

 

[JohnnyU]

Dez with Kitna at QB, Austin when Romo comes back. Also.. whoever is not double covered.

This for this season, but I got a feeling that Dez will be the man next year regardless of who the QB is

I agree with you.

 

[primitivepursuit]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

a good offense can still have two productive WRs, I dont think it's a deathblow to Miles value to have Dez on the other side. I coudl see both Dez and Miles in the top25 next season easily

 

[JohnnyU]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

Bryant will end up costing double what they paid Austin in a few years.

 

[packersfan]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

I'd say there's a 0% chance of that happening. The Cowboys are head over heels gonzo in love with Bryant. Read the comments from Garrett, Kitna and everyone else. They're like high school girls on prom night and the star quarterback is coming over to pick them up in a limo. That's not to say the adoration isn't deserved because it is. Bryant is an incredible talent. But it's been clear since the moment Kitna took the field after Romo got hurt who the new No. 1 WR in Dallas is and it's Dez Bryant. Going forward I think Bryant has WR1 upside - especially in PPR leagues - with Austin being a WR3 with some WR2 upside. Next season with a healthy Romo, I think Bryant could be a Top 10 WR with Austin being a Top 15-20 WR.

 

[todisco1]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

a good offense can still have two productive WRs, I dont think it's a deathblow to Miles value to have Dez on the other side. I coudl see both Dez and Miles in the top25 next season easily

People aren't drafting Miles to be in the top 25 - they're drafting him to be in the top 5. IMO if next season Miles is the 18th best WR he will be a bust. I also think this offense can sustain two great WRs ala Harrison/Wayne, Bruce/Holt, but it might limit their ceiling a little bit.

 

[packersfan]

IMO if next season Miles is the 18th best WR he will be a bust.

I'm a huge Austin fan but I think if anyone drafts him expecting him to be WR5 in 2011 - even with Romo - they are making a rather gigantic mistake.

 

[todisco1]

IMO if next season Miles is the 18th best WR he will be a bust.

I'm a huge Austin fan but I think if anyone drafts him expecting him to be WR5 in 2011 - even with Romo - they are making a rather gigantic mistake.

Are you saying he's no longer a #1 option? I'm just curious as to how this will play out -- if he's closer to #18 than #1 then he's a mediocre #2 fantasy WR.

 

[PolishNorbi]

IMO if next season Miles is the 18th best WR he will be a bust.

I'm a huge Austin fan but I think if anyone drafts him expecting him to be WR5 in 2011 - even with Romo - they are making a rather gigantic mistake.

I don't think anyone will draft him expecting WR5. However, he may go in the third or fourth round and end up being a WR10, like Desean and Maclin. WR9 & WR10 (in my league)

 

[packersfan]

IMO if next season Miles is the 18th best WR he will be a bust.

I'm a huge Austin fan but I think if anyone drafts him expecting him to be WR5 in 2011 - even with Romo - they are making a rather gigantic mistake.

Are you saying he's no longer a #1 option? I'm just curious as to how this will play out -- if he's closer to #18 than #1 then he's a mediocre #2 fantasy WR.

He's clearly the No. 2 WR for the Cowboys. That's been apparent since Kitna took over. I also think that will be the case next season as well with Romo although I expect Austin to be more involved with Romo since he is a vastly superior QB capable of making throws that will enhance Austin's production. That said, Bryant is an incredible talent. So is Austin but I think Bryant has a higher ceiling. Again, I think with Romo both of these guys can be good fantasy WRs next season. I just think Bryant is the one with more upside. But it could be that Austin is the better value pick next year if everyone chases after Bryant aggressively and Austin slips.

 

[fruity pebbles]

IMO if next season Miles is the 18th best WR he will be a bust.

I'm a huge Austin fan but I think if anyone drafts him expecting him to be WR5 in 2011 - even with Romo - they are making a rather gigantic mistake.

Are you saying he's no longer a #1 option? I'm just curious as to how this will play out -- if he's closer to #18 than #1 then he's a mediocre #2 fantasy WR.

He's clearly the No. 2 WR for the Cowboys. That's been apparent since Kitna took over. I also think that will be the case next season as well with Romo although I expect Austin to be more involved with Romo since he is a vastly superior QB capable of making throws that will enhance Austin's production. That said, Bryant is an incredible talent. So is Austin but I think Bryant has a higher ceiling. Again, I think with Romo both of these guys can be good fantasy WRs next season. I just think Bryant is the one with more upside. But it could be that Austin is the better value pick next year if everyone chases after Bryant aggressively and Austin slips.

Too early to say any of this until we see Romo under cetner for a few games. Austin was wide open most of the last game and Kitna either doesnt have the arm to hit him deep or didnt look his way at all. I think ultimately Witten will be hurt the most by having two top WRs options

 

[scrumptrulescent]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

I'd say there's a 0% chance of that happening. The Cowboys are head over heels gonzo in love with Bryant. Read the comments from Garrett, Kitna and everyone else. They're like high school girls on prom night and the star quarterback is coming over to pick them up in a limo. That's not to say the adoration isn't deserved because it is. Bryant is an incredible talent. But it's been clear since the moment Kitna took the field after Romo got hurt who the new No. 1 WR in Dallas is and it's Dez Bryant. Going forward I think Bryant has WR1 upside - especially in PPR leagues - with Austin being a WR3 with some WR2 upside. Next season with a healthy Romo, I think Bryant could be a Top 10 WR with Austin being a Top 15-20 WR.

Kitna said he feels comfortable throwing to Dez in double coverage because he knows Dez will go up and make a play on the ball. Jerrah loves him some Dez as much as the rest of them. Dez is helping Jerrah exorcise his Randy Moss demons.

 

[the spanker]

IMO if next season Miles is the 18th best WR he will be a bust.

I'm a huge Austin fan but I think if anyone drafts him expecting him to be WR5 in 2011 - even with Romo - they are making a rather gigantic mistake.

Are you saying he's no longer a #1 option? I'm just curious as to how this will play out -- if he's closer to #18 than #1 then he's a mediocre #2 fantasy WR.

He's clearly the No. 2 WR for the Cowboys. That's been apparent since Kitna took over. I also think that will be the case next season as well with Romo although I expect Austin to be more involved with Romo since he is a vastly superior QB capable of making throws that will enhance Austin's production. That said, Bryant is an incredible talent. So is Austin but I think Bryant has a higher ceiling. Again, I think with Romo both of these guys can be good fantasy WRs next season. I just think Bryant is the one with more upside. But it could be that Austin is the better value pick next year if everyone chases after Bryant aggressively and Austin slips.

He's clearly the #2 on the Cowboys. I'm still not totally convinced. After Romo went down defenses were still treating Austin as the Cowboy's #1 WR which was still clear in their minds after Austin's incredible performance last year. This obviously left Dez with single coverage for the first few games and not Austin. Now that Dez has gone beast mode, I expect Austin to go off for a few games himself.The amount of targets to Austin and Dez are nearly identical so I don't know how you can say Kitna and the Cowboys staff are in man-love, zone love feed Dez the ball. The targets given to each WR tell a different story. Dez has just made more big plays up to this point which should help Austin (as long as he doesn't go back to the case of dropsies) do the same now.Also correct me if I'm wrong, Dez had 2 special teams scores correct? Not taking those away or anything, just saying it skews his value a little but the amount of targets on the field have been nearly identical since Kitna took over. I expect Austin to get his as teams now shift their attention more to Dez.

 

[steelwind]

Both are co WR1 right now. But Dez is the better player compared to Austin therefore he is able to produce better stats. Dez can make catches that Austin can't.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

I'd say there's a 0% chance of that happening. The Cowboys are head over heels gonzo in love with Bryant. Read the comments from Garrett, Kitna and everyone else. They're like high school girls on prom night and the star quarterback is coming over to pick them up in a limo. That's not to say the adoration isn't deserved because it is. Bryant is an incredible talent. But it's been clear since the moment Kitna took the field after Romo got hurt who the new No. 1 WR in Dallas is and it's Dez Bryant. Going forward I think Bryant has WR1 upside - especially in PPR leagues - with Austin being a WR3 with some WR2 upside. Next season with a healthy Romo, I think Bryant could be a Top 10 WR with Austin being a Top 15-20 WR.

You should factor in that there are rumblings of a Romo return in time for the FF playoffs.

 

[packersfan]

Here's the production for Austin and Bryant in the last three full games with Kitna:

Austin: 11-201-1

Bryant: 19-274-2

And these stats don't include the first Giants' game when Bryant's production significantly dwarfed Austin's. If people want to use targets to justify that Austin is the still the No. 1 WR that's fine. But in terms of productivity, it's pretty clear to me who the No. 1 WR is.

 

[the spanker]

Both are co WR1 right now. But Dez is the better player compared to Austin therefore he is able to produce better stats. Dez can make catches that Austin can't.

Dez has more jumping leaping go up after the ball which plays into Kitna's strengths. Austin can still do it all on short, intermediate, and long routes. Up to this point if I recall, Austin hasn't been used as much in the short passing game, which I really surprised because of his YAC abilities. Witten was the guy getting the love there.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Here's the production for Austin and Bryant in the last three full games with Kitna:Austin: 11-201-1Bryant: 19-274-2And these stats don't include the first Giants' game when Bryant's production significantly dwarfed Austin's. If people want to use targets to justify that Austin is the still the No. 1 WR that's fine. But in terms of productivity, it's pretty clear to me who the No. 1 WR is.

Who cares what it is with Kitna. Hes not the starting QB. Its still up in the air what the split is going to look like with Romo.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Here's the production for Austin and Bryant in the last three full games with Kitna:Austin: 11-201-1Bryant: 19-274-2And these stats don't include the first Giants' game when Bryant's production significantly dwarfed Austin's. If people want to use targets to justify that Austin is the still the No. 1 WR that's fine. But in terms of productivity, it's pretty clear to me who the No. 1 WR is.

Who cares what it is with Kitna. Hes not the starting QB. Its still up in the air what the split is going to look like with Romo.

Austin clearly has a good thing going with Romo - if Romo is back by the fantasy playoffs Austin will most likely return to his former self. A guy that will catch 8-9-10 balls a game with 100+ yards and a chance at a TD.

 

[steelwind]

Here's the production for Austin and Bryant in the last three full games with Kitna:Austin: 11-201-1Bryant: 19-274-2And these stats don't include the first Giants' game when Bryant's production significantly dwarfed Austin's. If people want to use targets to justify that Austin is the still the No. 1 WR that's fine. But in terms of productivity, it's pretty clear to me who the No. 1 WR is.

Who cares what it is with Kitna. Hes not the starting QB. Its still up in the air what the split is going to look like with Romo.

You don't know if Romo will return in 2010. It is certain that Kitna will be throwing the ball to Dez Bryant for the next 4-5 weeks. With the type of skills that Dez has, it is very significant that Austin, Dez and Witten owners care. As long as Kitna is at the helm, Dez Bryant is a potential WR1 at the most important part of the fantasy football season. He will be the key to many teams who are making a playoff/championship run.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Here's the production for Austin and Bryant in the last three full games with Kitna:Austin: 11-201-1Bryant: 19-274-2And these stats don't include the first Giants' game when Bryant's production significantly dwarfed Austin's. If people want to use targets to justify that Austin is the still the No. 1 WR that's fine. But in terms of productivity, it's pretty clear to me who the No. 1 WR is.

Who cares what it is with Kitna. Hes not the starting QB. Its still up in the air what the split is going to look like with Romo.

You don't know if Romo will return in 2010. It is certain that Kitna will be throwing the ball to Dez Bryant for the next 4-5 weeks. With the type of skills that Dez has, it is very significant that Austin, Dez and Witten owners care. As long as Kitna is at the helm, Dez Bryant is a potential WR1 at the most important part of the fantasy football season. He will be the key to many teams who are making a playoff/championship run.

Im talking from a dynasty perspective. From a single year perspective i agree. People are quick to forget that through the first 5 games with Romo, Austin was the #1 scoring WR. Good time to buy in dynasty leagues imo if the owner is nervous.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think just their styles makes them similar to Welker and Moss in New England. Which makes Dez the #1, but Austin and very dangerous #2 that will still get his.

 

[Banger]

Here's the production for Austin and Bryant in the last three full games with Kitna:Austin: 11-201-1Bryant: 19-274-2And these stats don't include the first Giants' game when Bryant's production significantly dwarfed Austin's. If people want to use targets to justify that Austin is the still the No. 1 WR that's fine. But in terms of productivity, it's pretty clear to me who the No. 1 WR is.

Who cares what it is with Kitna. Hes not the starting QB. Its still up in the air what the split is going to look like with Romo.

You don't know if Romo will return in 2010. It is certain that Kitna will be throwing the ball to Dez Bryant for the next 4-5 weeks. With the type of skills that Dez has, it is very significant that Austin, Dez and Witten owners care. As long as Kitna is at the helm, Dez Bryant is a potential WR1 at the most important part of the fantasy football season. He will be the key to many teams who are making a playoff/championship run.

Im talking from a dynasty perspective. From a single year perspective i agree. People are quick to forget that through the first 5 games with Romo, Austin was the #1 scoring WR. Good time to buy in dynasty leagues imo if the owner is nervous.

ya, but Dez started the year banged up and was a rookie. He clearly has terrific talent and Romo will definitely lean on him. I think Austin will still be solid but I think Dez will be the 1A and Austin the 1B.

 

[packersfan]

Here's the production for Austin and Bryant in the last three full games with Kitna:Austin: 11-201-1Bryant: 19-274-2And these stats don't include the first Giants' game when Bryant's production significantly dwarfed Austin's. If people want to use targets to justify that Austin is the still the No. 1 WR that's fine. But in terms of productivity, it's pretty clear to me who the No. 1 WR is.

Who cares what it is with Kitna. Hes not the starting QB.

Of course he is. What the two did with Romo is meaningless right now. The only thing that matters is what's happening on the field with Kitna and it's been obvious since Kitna took over he favors Bryant. I'm not sure why some people continue to argue this.

 

[Kiddnets]

Dez ha a better rapport with Kitna.....Austin has a better one with Romo. I expect it to stay that way for this season and next....in a keeper league I would buy low on Austin.

 

[Kiddnets]

Dez ha a better rapport with Kitna.....Austin has a better one with Romo. I expect it to stay that way for this season and next....in a keeper league I would buy low on Austin.

 

[wudaben]

Both are co WR1 right now. But Dez is the better player compared to Austin therefore he is able to produce better stats. Dez can make catches that Austin can't.

Dez has more jumping leaping go up after the ball which plays into Kitna's strengths. Austin can still do it all on short, intermediate, and long routes. Up to this point if I recall, Austin hasn't been used as much in the short passing game, which I really surprised because of his YAC abilities. Witten was the guy getting the love there.

Actually if you check both of these guys combine stats they are physically about the same size except Austin is slightly faster and has a 40.5" vertical (or something close to there). Bryant's vertical is something like 38".

 

[packersfan]

I mentioned this in another Austin thread last week but remember all the bubble screens the Cowboys used to run for Austin? They're all going to Bryant now. There is a concerted effort to get the ball to Bryant much like there was to get the ball to Austin last season. I don't expect that to change. I think the Cowboys are making Bryant the major focal point of their passing game. Austin will still get a few shots here and there but there is a much stronger commitment being made to get the ball to Bryant then there is to get the ball to Austin.

 

[steelwind]

Miles Austin and Roy Williams have accepted the fact that Dez Bryant is now the WR1. From Rotoworld:

"Cowboys veterans Miles Austin and Roy Williams have no issues with Dez Bryant emerging as Jon Kitna's favorite receiver.

"Dez is playing lights out right now," Austin said. "If I was the quarterback, I'd be throwing him the ball." Asked if he was a fan of Bryant's recent play, Williams responded, "No question. I'm the same way on the sideline, 'Go Dez, go Dez.' He's an exciting football player." Bryant has taken over for Jason Witten as Kitna's most targeted receiver."

 

[Banger]

Dez ha a better rapport with Kitna.....Austin has a better one with Romo. I expect it to stay that way for this season and next....in a keeper league I would buy low on Austin.

Just because things were a certain way early on in Dez's rookie season, I don't think you can make the assumption that Romo's distribution will stay the same after Dez's coming out party in the 2nd half of this season.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Dez ha a better rapport with Kitna.....Austin has a better one with Romo. I expect it to stay that way for this season and next....in a keeper league I would buy low on Austin.

Just because things were a certain way early on in Dez's rookie season, I don't think you can make the assumption that Romo's distribution will stay the same after Dez's coming out party in the 2nd half of this season.

and because Kitna goes to Dez i dont think you can assume the same distribution with Romo. we wont know until Romo plays a few games, simple as that. that said there is 2500 yards to be distributed between the two of them. theres enough for both. i think witten gets hurt the most as there wont be 90 balls going his way anymore imo.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Miles Austin and Roy Williams have accepted the fact that Dez Bryant is now the WR1. From Rotoworld:"Cowboys veterans Miles Austin and Roy Williams have no issues with Dez Bryant emerging as Jon Kitna's favorite receiver."Dez is playing lights out right now," Austin said. "If I was the quarterback, I'd be throwing him the ball." Asked if he was a fan of Bryant's recent play, Williams responded, "No question. I'm the same way on the sideline, 'Go Dez, go Dez.' He's an exciting football player." Bryant has taken over for Jason Witten as Kitna's most targeted receiver."

Excellent. Add to the hype. Defenses will start rolling toward Dez and Austin will get single coverage down the middle of the field.Dez will be getting the targets but Austin could do plenty of damage.By the way......I believe it was stated before as well.....the last 4 weeks, including the Giants game with Romo going down in the beginning......Bryant has 31 targets to Austin's 29.

 

[wudaben]

Miles Austin and Roy Williams have accepted the fact that Dez Bryant is now the WR1. From Rotoworld:"Cowboys veterans Miles Austin and Roy Williams have no issues with Dez Bryant emerging as Jon Kitna's favorite receiver."Dez is playing lights out right now," Austin said. "If I was the quarterback, I'd be throwing him the ball." Asked if he was a fan of Bryant's recent play, Williams responded, "No question. I'm the same way on the sideline, 'Go Dez, go Dez.' He's an exciting football player." Bryant has taken over for Jason Witten as Kitna's most targeted receiver."

Excellent. Add to the hype. Defenses will start rolling toward Dez and Austin will get single coverage down the middle of the field.Dez will be getting the targets but Austin could do plenty of damage.By the way......I believe it was stated before as well.....the last 4 weeks, including the Giants game with Romo going down in the beginning......Bryant has 31 targets to Austin's 29.

Exactly. I would expect the shot/slot receiver to get more targets in the offense whereas Kitna just doesn't have the arm to consistently get the ball down field where Austin's routes usually take him. Kitna still throws there to keep the defenses honest but does not do so with great accuracy. If it were Romo throwing and the defenses couldn't double cover either of these guys the Austin has the likelihood of having huge yardage games while Dez has more receptions. Romo may still favor Roy in the endzone though because he has a clear advantage over most #3 DBs.

 

[footballnerd]

Austin will have great value in next years draft.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Dez is the clear cut #1 and a top ten WR right now.

 

[thehornet]

see boldin and fitz in zona.

 

[Peak]

If we're looking at Dez (1a) and Austin (1b), who would be willing to start both this week vs Det? Is that a viable option? You would hedge your bets on who outperforms the other, but is it a smart play? I would most likely start Dez over Austin, but I don't see playing them both. Although I think one can make a strong case to do so.

 

[footballnerd]

If we're looking at Dez (1a) and Austin (1b), who would be willing to start both this week vs Det? Is that a viable option? You would hedge your bets on who outperforms the other, but is it a smart play? I would most likely start Dez over Austin, but I don't see playing them both. Although I think one can make a strong case to do so.

got them both in over Randy Moss.

 

[packersfan]

see boldin and fitz in zona.

I could see that with Bryant being Fitz and Austin being Boldin in terms of production.

 

[theplayer11]

whoever is open will get the ball

 

[cmv5]

There is obviously a lot unknown here. I believe it will be a WR1A/1B situation next year. I have been leaning more toward the Austin side in this argument for at least the next couple of years but my mind has been changed over the last few weeks. I am disturbed because when Dallas moves in the red zone, Austin is the last person they look to.

 

[packersfan]

whoever is open will get the ball

Kitna has said he's not afraid to throw to Bryant even when he's double covered. He was picked by the Giants last Sunday trying to do that. Austin has also been open a number of times and Kitna hasn't even looked his way. The Dallas passing game is all about Dez Bryant right now. I think Witten is next and then Austin is left fighting for scraps.

 

[theplayer11]

^that's just dumb QBing then. Austin has shown the ability to get great yards after the catch. Kitna isn't capable of throwing to the open guy?

 

[packersfan]

^that's just dumb QBing then. Austin has shown the ability to get great yards after the catch. Kitna isn't capable of throwing to the open guy?

I think there is such an overwhelming sense of excitement about Bryant that it's made Austin an afterthought. Kitna also lacks the ability to get the ball downfield to Austin and a lot of Austin's value comes from his big-play ability. If you watch the Cowboys games so far with Kitna you can see how they make a concerted effort to get the ball to Bryant no matter what. They used to do that with Austin but that isn't the case anymore. Maybe it will change going forward and perhaps defenses will see that and roll coverage toward Bryant more and single up Austin. We'll see.

 

[footballnerd]

Kitna and Bryant just have a better connection at the moment. When Bryant was hurt, Kitna took the time to take the rook under his wing, and "mentally" go through the game since the WR was sidelined. He would go through exactly what Romo would want in game situations so the kid wouldn't fall behind for missing time. Bryant ate up whatever knowledge the vet QB would give to him about what a QB is looking, so you could understand why now they are so in tuned now that both are on the field. Kitna may have a future as a WR coach.

 

[doowain]

That's a lot of $ Jerry shelled out for Miles to be a #2. How long before he meddles with Garrett and has more passes tossed his way.

Bryant will end up costing double what they paid Austin in a few years.

Oh really...so, you're saying that Dez will get a 6 year/$108 million dollar contract (Miles got a 6yr/$54mil)? That would net him $18 million a year.....or $7.5 million per year MORE than the highest paid WR in the league (Andre Johnson).When you make comments like this it only adds to the amount of salt I have to take with everything you say.FWIW, I fully see the Dallas situation playing out similarly to Arizona when they had Fitz and Boldin. Both will end up WR1s, but each will keep the other one from being a Top 3 guy yearly.