Dilema in Fantasy Championship Game (1 Viewer)

[Smack Tripper]

So, last weeks game, Team A vs Team B. First, a few league ground rules.

Roster requirements demand: you maintain 6 SP and 2 RP every day. Relievers can rotate but not more than 2 per day, you are alllowed 6 individual starters per week. Incorrect lineup penalty is 0 for the player in question and a 0 for the next highest scoring player on the roster.

Team A vs. Team B

Team A realizes on Tuesday that Fister is going to the pen and thus being a relief pitcher and the long story short, he says he benches him. However, this move is not reflected by the computer and of course Fister pitches, gets a W and 11 points in the league, thus giving him effectively 3 RP for the day. Next highest scoring player puts up 8 pts. Team A calls himself out on the lineup and says he will flag himself for 11 pts.

Of course, Team B ends up losing by 14 points.

If the penalty is assessed, Team A loses, if not, Team B loses.

What do you do and why?

There is a BIT more to this, but I don't want to make this hypothetical too onerous.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Shoot the computer

 

[Smack Tripper]

Shoot the computer

I value your feedback Doc, serious thought?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Shoot the computer

I value your feedback Doc, serious thought?

So he said he intended to bench Fister yet Fister ended up as a reliever for him? That is the long and short of it?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Shoot the computer

I value your feedback Doc, serious thought?

So he said he intended to bench Fister yet Fister ended up as a reliever for him? That is the long and short of it?

I guess in essence. Bear in mind, Fister HAD been a starter, but he admitted that he knew he'd be coming in relief, had a days notice and apparently didn't verify that he had updated his lineup. Owner's story.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Shoot the computer

I value your feedback Doc, serious thought?

So he said he intended to bench Fister yet Fister ended up as a reliever for him? That is the long and short of it?

I guess in essence. Bear in mind, Fister HAD been a starter, but he admitted that he knew he'd be coming in relief, had a days notice and apparently didn't verify that he had updated his lineup. Owner's story.

If he had six starters and three relievers, then he had an illegal roster. I say he should be penalized.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Shoot the computer

I value your feedback Doc, serious thought?

So he said he intended to bench Fister yet Fister ended up as a reliever for him? That is the long and short of it?

I guess in essence. Bear in mind, Fister HAD been a starter, but he admitted that he knew he'd be coming in relief, had a days notice and apparently didn't verify that he had updated his lineup. Owner's story.

If he had six starters and three relievers, then he had an illegal roster. I say he should be penalized.

Cool, thank you for your thoughts!Anyone else who wants to jump in feel free.

 

[This_Guy]

It really comes down to how you interpret the rules regarding SP and RP. It isn't unusual for a RP to spot start here and there. It also happens on occasion that a SP will be used in relief. How do you handle those situations? I'm not sure that an owner can be expected to know every time a pitcher is going to be used in a specific situation.

I would have to know a lot more about the league set up and the site running the league but my inclination is leaning towards allowing the pitcher to be played in the slot that he is listed. If the league site lists a pitcher as a SP he can be used in one of those 6 SP spots. If he is listed as a RP he can be used in one of the relief spots. If the pitcher crosses over that is just a bonus for the owner. It really is too hard to manage and decide if the owner knew or should have known thea pitcher was going to cross over.

 

[Eephus]

It really comes down to how you interpret the rules regarding SP and RP. It isn't unusual for a RP to spot start here and there. It also happens on occasion that a SP will be used in relief. How do you handle those situations? I'm not sure that an owner can be expected to know every time a pitcher is going to be used in a specific situation.I would have to know a lot more about the league set up and the site running the league but my inclination is leaning towards allowing the pitcher to be played in the slot that he is listed. If the league site lists a pitcher as a SP he can be used in one of those 6 SP spots. If he is listed as a RP he can be used in one of the relief spots. If the pitcher crosses over that is just a bonus for the owner. It really is too hard to manage and decide if the owner knew or should have known thea pitcher was going to cross over.

Unless your league has very specific bylaws, I don't see how position eligibility can be determined in real time. Would a 1B hitting stats not count if he played a game at DH?Fister was SP eligible regardless of his real-life usage. His stats should count.

 

[Captain Hook]

It really comes down to how you interpret the rules regarding SP and RP. It isn't unusual for a RP to spot start here and there. It also happens on occasion that a SP will be used in relief. How do you handle those situations? I'm not sure that an owner can be expected to know every time a pitcher is going to be used in a specific situation.I would have to know a lot more about the league set up and the site running the league but my inclination is leaning towards allowing the pitcher to be played in the slot that he is listed. If the league site lists a pitcher as a SP he can be used in one of those 6 SP spots. If he is listed as a RP he can be used in one of the relief spots. If the pitcher crosses over that is just a bonus for the owner. It really is too hard to manage and decide if the owner knew or should have known thea pitcher was going to cross over.

Unless your league has very specific bylaws, I don't see how position eligibility can be determined in real time. Would a 1B hitting stats not count if he played a game at DH?Fister was SP eligible regardless of his real-life usage. His stats should count.

I was going to post the same thing - A may have been gaming but it seems legal since positions don't change on a daily (much less weekly) basis

 

[beaux]

So what would happen if they have the required 6 SPs/2 RPs in the lineup and when a game goes into extra-innings and gets into the 20th inning and one of his SPs that are starting comes in relief?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Nice league you have there.

 

[Daywalker]

The website should determine position eligibiltiy otherwise their is too much interpretation and grey area.

Thought it was pretty common to take advantage of sites like Yahoo and their position requirements. Shouldn't be up to the owner to be completely up to date every 12 hours.

But to be honest I don't know what the hell you are talking about either.

 

[Smack Tripper]

As for the league, I know, I joined last year and never got close to this situation before. I seem to remember Volquez coming in last year in that long game against the Padres but I'm not sure. The situation is what it is and I have made suggestions how to rewrite the constition going forward.

The Fister situation is a bit unique because the Team A owner demonstrated that he knew about Fister situation as far as appearing in relief. I think there would be a bit more clarity if he were brought into a 14 inning game, and I don't think there would be an objection in that scenario. It was the fact that Fister was declared a reliever in advance which is complicating this situation.

Ok here's where it gets unwieldy and crazy so I apologize to anyone following along, I was trying to compartmentalize the meat of the transgression in the first post.

Team A owner made a transaction to pick up an extra starter the day before this incident, and did so by dropping Cueto. However, according to our written by-laws, playoff add/drops can only happen when a player is put on the DL. Which is flawed since due to roster size, many guys aren't disabled in September. This will also be addressed, but its what we have for now. Team B owner indicated that he was ok with this, as Cueto had been designated "out for the season" if not technically DL'ed. Owner also had two players in the same situation and asked Team A owner for what his thoughts were on doing a "gentlemen's agreement" to allow for those who are "out for the season" but not on the disabled list, to be dropped and to pick up a replacement. Team A owner never responds to this, and according to the league bylaws the Team B owner can't add anyone. Team B owner contends that the adds he might have made would have ended this scoring discrepency.

So this becomes the real heart of the matter.

Team A owner is asking for relief on the letter of the law interpretation the player/penalty rule while expecting Team B to operate under the letter of the law with no flexibility. Team A contends that his transparency should lead to a minimizing of the penalty but he didn't exactly do himself any favors when he might have established some ground rules during the week with the owner.

God bless you poor people if you're still staying with this. Any further thoughts? Can you make one team abide by the rules while relaxing them for another?

 

[shadyridr]

have them split the money then rewrite those horrible rules for next yr

 

[Eephus]

This is a job for King Solomon

 

[This_Guy]

1) I'd say the move with Cueto should not be allowed. However that effects things with regard to your rules must be enforced.

2) I still think Fister should be allowed in the SP spot if he is listed as a SP by the league management site. Regardless of what an owner knew it just creates a grey area. If a guy is eligible by the league site to be put in a spot he can be put in the spot. If you start trying to interpret what owners knew, what they should have known and what they did it just becomes a major fustercluck.

3)Quit allowing sloppy rules usage and casual ownership interpretation. Have the written rules; stick to them. Can't have all these gentlemen's agreements, rulings based on what info owners happen to know, and other fuzzy situations. Owners will give you crap and you'll look like a penis but that is part of being a commissioner.