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He showed me a lot tonight. The Jacksonville offense overall was surprisingly good.Garrard played out of his #### tonight. Props to him in the biggest game he has ever played.
He showed me a lot tonight. The Jacksonville offense overall was surprisingly good.Garrard played out of his #### tonight. Props to him in the biggest game he has ever played.
But damn it would have been nice to see them at least TRY to win this game, instead of "keeping it close"I guess congratulations to the Jaguars...if that was your goal.The Jaguars are a very good team on the way up in the NFL. No shame in losing to one to a 17-0 team.
The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
I'll never get this attitude. What has this guy got to do to "come close" to people who aren't even in the same zip code of his stats.The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
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Not even close?The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
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EVER?!?!?The Ghost of Common said:You're either being sarcastic or know almost nothing about football.The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
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If he can keep this pace up for another 22 years, I will have to give him his due.The Ghost of Common said:You're either being sarcastic or know almost nothing about football.The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
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I have to disagree with this. The colts didn't win, at home, but down some key players. There were a number of potentially key factors in the first game that (most likely) won't be the same in the AFCC game ( assuming IND can get past SD )The first game:The Colts have already proven they can't beat this team, but I do agree that the Packers being the last lamb led to slaughter would make for good TV.If the Colts win tommorow, we are looking at the most hyped, highest rated football game in NFL history next week.
If the Patriots beat the Colts, we are looking at the most watched Superbowl ever in three weeks, and if their opponent is Brett Favre and Green Bay, it will be the most hyped, most talked about sporting event in American sports history.
what he said.Good game Jag Fans...Doubt this will be the last time seeing the Jags in the Play Offs.
So, he needs a 30 year career to get in the discussion of best ever? 3 SB titles to his name, most TDs in a season, best post season winning %, all that means nothing. He's only done it for 7 years, so he's ???? Got it. Thanks for playing.If he can keep this pace up for another 22 years, I will have to give him his due.The Ghost of Common said:You're either being sarcastic or know almost nothing about football.The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
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It looked like the gameplan was to keep it all underneath, force the pats to execute several plays to move the ball. Unfortunately, the Pats are one of the most patient offensive teams, and will take underneath options all day ( literally, all 60 mins ) Playing soft and keeping recievers in front wasn't working, but the Jags didn't adjust the scheme quickly enough.The Ghost of Common said:Jags need to game plan better as well...I felt they mismanaged the clock a bit when there was 5:30 minutes left and they still needed two scores, they let 2 minutes run total in between 5 plays...The defensive scheme wasn't working and they refused to play it. They stuck with their plain-jane formations and Belichick made them pay for doing so. Awful defensive play calling. And they have the guys who can execute, given a better scheme.what he said.Good game Jag Fans...Doubt this will be the last time seeing the Jags in the Play Offs.Great game from the Jags. Upgrade your WR, and you'll be right back in hunt. Great season, Jags ( and fans )
22 years? We'll revisit this question after Brady wins one more superbowl for a 19-0 perfect season.If he can keep this pace up for another 22 years, I will have to give him his due.The Ghost of Common said:You're either being sarcastic or know almost nothing about football.The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
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Yup, he needs to play into his 50s to be considered among the best ever!22 years? We'll revisit this question after Brady wins one more superbowl for a 19-0 perfect season.If he can keep this pace up for another 22 years, I will have to give him his due.The Ghost of Common said:You're either being sarcastic or know almost nothing about football.The best ever.I think I said it earlier, Brady is pretty good.![]()
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Garrard played out of his #### tonight. Props to him in the biggest game he has ever played.
Ask me the question again in 3 weeks.Is he a GREAT qb?Is he the best EVER?
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Wow, you pat fans are touchy. Here, add this to my above statement please.![]()
They watched McNabb do this. I didn't get it either. Almost like, oh well we tried.Anyone else wonder why the Jags seemed to be taking their sweet time down by 11 late in the game, using up all almost all the play clock on seemingly every play, not going to a no huddle, and overall not playing with any sense of urgency time wise?
I see this kind of post a lot...please list who the best ever is so we know what to strive for. I am sure Farve should be on that list.Is he a GREAT qb?Is he the best EVER?
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For whatever reason, I felt like they only do that with Gray not with Garrard.When Garrard was hurt, I felt like Gray showed us that O could be a high yardage passing O. I haven't felt like DelRio noticed. I understand how effective and generally over-powerring their running game and Garrard's well timed passes have been but seeing Gray- I'd have openned every game airing it out with some quick points to a quick lead, then done their typical O. Good Luck coming from behind against a great ball control O eating up the clock. Similarly though, the Pats passing alot with a good lead has had me curious all year too.Anyone else wonder why the Jags seemed to be taking their sweet time down by 11 late in the game, using up all almost all the play clock on seemingly every play, not going to a no huddle, and overall not playing with any sense of urgency time wise?
Lets flip this around bryhamm... Who is??Is he a GREAT qb?Is he the best EVER?
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IMO, the Pats feel that their dink and dunk passing game is more effective than running the ball (and at times I would agree). It takes just as much time off the clock and most of the time can get 4-8 yards each time whereas the run in those situations has frequently been stuffed. So I think they are much more comfortable having 2nd and 4 than 2nd an 12 if the team came on a run blitz.I do agree with you though that in the same spread formation that they should be able to get some better running plays, but IIRC the Pats have not lost a fummble by a running back or a wide receiver the entire season, so turnovers have not been an issue either way. (Of course, you can still get a tipped pass that goes for an interception.)Similarly though, the Pats passing alot with a good lead has had me curious all year too.
I think at that point they realize it's going to take a 2-pt conversion and an onsides kick recovery no matter what. No sense in rushing to save an few extra seconds. If you score and make the two-pointer and you recover the onsides kick, you're not far from FG range anyway. You don't need too much time at that point. Better to take your time, calm down, get the play you want and make sure the receivers are running the routes they need to run.Yes, you could go for the win if you had extra time and the ball back, but it's better to calm down and make sure you get there. It's a hostile crowd and it's better to have your bearings for every play. I think that's the philosophy.Then again, Andy Reid isn't known for brilliant clock management, so who knows?They watched McNabb do this. I didn't get it either. Almost like, oh well we tried.Anyone else wonder why the Jags seemed to be taking their sweet time down by 11 late in the game, using up all almost all the play clock on seemingly every play, not going to a no huddle, and overall not playing with any sense of urgency time wise?![]()
Part of the benefits of going no huddle are that it forces the defense to keep the same defenders on the field, they can get disorganized and blow coverages, they get tired a whole lot quicker, and if you do it right you can get cheap penalties for offsides or too many men on the field if they do try to switch personnel. IMO, it's all good. You can always get to the line and wait some to call the play, but IMO there is no good reason to run the play clock almost all the way down when you need the ball twice and a lot of good things to happen along the way to get there.I think at that point they realize it's going to take a 2-pt conversion and an onsides kick recovery no matter what. No sense in rushing to save an few extra seconds. If you score and make the two-pointer and you recover the onsides kick, you're not far from FG range anyway. You don't need too much time at that point. Better to take your time, calm down, get the play you want and make sure the receivers are running the routes they need to run.Yes, you could go for the win if you had extra time and the ball back, but it's better to calm down and make sure you get there. It's a hostile crowd and it's better to have your bearings for every play. I think that's the philosophy.Then again, Andy Reid isn't known for brilliant clock management, so who knows?They watched McNabb do this. I didn't get it either. Almost like, oh well we tried.Anyone else wonder why the Jags seemed to be taking their sweet time down by 11 late in the game, using up all almost all the play clock on seemingly every play, not going to a no huddle, and overall not playing with any sense of urgency time wise?![]()
Please, 95% of NFL QBs could complete 90%+ of their passes given the time Brady had to throw the ball. Brady is good but that OLine deserves most of the credit. How would Brady look in Detroit? I doubt people would call him the best ever.Brady set another record tonite. 92.9% completion. Not a bad day at the office for a guy who's "not even close". Doubters and hazers at this point arent worth really entertaining at this point in time. The record, records, and performances pretty much tell the story.
You're just bashing to bash. He didn't call Brady the best ever, you inferred that from the record set. There's no debate as it's a record, a statistical fact, that was the most accurate performance in a playoff game.For me, records generally mean more when people try and break them so Brady's will be bigger in future years. Now it's just "terrific game Tom" and that's it.Please, 95% of NFL QBs could complete 90%+ of their passes given the time Brady had to throw the ball. Brady is good but that OLine deserves most of the credit. How would Brady look in Detroit? I doubt people would call him the best ever.Brady set another record tonite. 92.9% completion. Not a bad day at the office for a guy who's "not even close". Doubters and hazers at this point arent worth really entertaining at this point in time. The record, records, and performances pretty much tell the story.
As good as everyone says the Jags played.......I don't believe you can beat the Patriots that way. You have to apply pressure on Brady, consistently. If you can't, you'll lose.Not only that, they just didn't stop the run and run the ball themselves. Yes, Garrard played well but for me as I watched the game, I always felt like Jax was an arms length away, never really threatening to win the game, just stay in it.Brady set another record tonite. 92.9% completion. Not a bad day at the office for a guy who's "not even close". Doubters and hazers at this point arent worth really entertaining at this point in time. The record, records, and performances pretty much tell the story.
It's totally unreasonable to exclude him from the discussion. Seriously.Is he a GREAT qb?![]()
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Here's the thing, this is pretty much impossible.You have to apply pressure on Brady, consistently. If you can't, you'll lose.
I must have been watching a different game. Did Jax get within 10' of Brady all night. I thought on that play that Jax did pretty good not to bite. The LB's stayed put, but someone is going to get open when you have over 5 seconds to find a reciever on every play.Some game thoughts-
I thought that fake from Brady last night was pretty terrific. (Don't feel like a best ever debate is warranted, just pointing out a good play) I couldn't help but think how risky it was with his back to the Jags D like a "sitting duck". Geesh he could have been really hurt on that play. Putting he or Moss in such a risky situation is so far from expected, I thought that was a brilliant play call by BB.
Jags played Moss better than anyone all year. Also I didn't notice Watson but for one play all game. There was some superb D schemes and applying it, last night by the Jags.
I know Mathis couldn't get his head on straight near the end but didn't it seem that guy was busier all day than any CB you've seen in a while? I even thought Maroney ran so wide as to go toward him. Boy did that guy get alot of work in yesterday.
I was annoyed with not getting the player right or a good camera shot of a few penalties. The replay was so quick I couldn't tell on a few. I didn't see that late sideline hit that was Harrison but called on Asante. I was busy looking at Asante thinking, so what? They go for the ball like that alot and he was in bounds. I felt like that commercial rung true on that chop block call. Again in the quick replay it was hard to see but I think he fell that time. The play before I thought he definitely chop blocked and the Pats got away with one. The other thing is that Jag used such sheer power on that play, pushing them back before he fell, it would have been impressive to see it again. One facemask that they did replay, I saw a hand on top of the helmet and lots of hands in there(3 guys on the ball carrier IIRC) but no facemask. 15 vs 5 there seemed harsh.
Did Terry Cousin cause that rug burn looking mark on Wes' forehead? I was pretty disgusted with that tackle. Twisting someone's head...cmon.
Pretty sure NFL is fining Rodney and Terry after they review this tape.
Couldn't help but think where was that guy all year, while watching Maroney last night.
Aside from that tip, I didn't think Adalius played like the great player he is. Little curious since BB is so famous for using his LBers so well.
Marcedes looked the best I've seen him all year.
Reggie may have sat this week was a thought on Tuesday, so Del Rio got Charles Sharon off the PS to the active roster. How is promoting a PS player a suitable replacement for a starter? I have never seen a coach think so highly of a PS player one minute then so lowly of him the next...and he did that all summer too. DelRio couldn't be more confusing with Sharon.
'Also I didn't notice Watson but for one play all game'.This was Jacksonville problem as well.Finding or knowing were Watson was.Not sure you know this? Watson scored (2) TD'S last night.Some game thoughts-I thought that fake from Brady last night was pretty terrific. (Don't feel like a best ever debate is warranted, just pointing out a good play) I couldn't help but think how risky it was with his back to the Jags D like a "sitting duck". Geesh he could have been really hurt on that play. Putting he or Moss in such a risky situation is so far from expected, I thought that was a brilliant play call by BB. Jags played Moss better than anyone all year. Also I didn't notice Watson but for one play all game. There was some superb D schemes and applying it, last night by the Jags.I know Mathis couldn't get his head on straight near the end but didn't it seem that guy was busier all day than any CB you've seen in a while? I even thought Maroney ran so wide as to go toward him. Boy did that guy get alot of work in yesterday.I was annoyed with not getting the player right or a good camera shot of a few penalties. The replay was so quick I couldn't tell on a few. I didn't see that late sideline hit that was Harrison but called on Asante. I was busy looking at Asante thinking, so what? They go for the ball like that alot and he was in bounds. I felt like that commercial rung true on that chop block call. Again in the quick replay it was hard to see but I think he fell that time. The play before I thought he definitely chop blocked and the Pats got away with one. The other thing is that Jag used such sheer power on that play, pushing them back before he fell, it would have been impressive to see it again. One facemask that they did replay, I saw a hand on top of the helmet and lots of hands in there(3 guys on the ball carrier IIRC) but no facemask. 15 vs 5 there seemed harsh.Did Terry Cousin cause that rug burn looking mark on Wes' forehead? I was pretty disgusted with that tackle. Twisting someone's head...cmon. Pretty sure NFL is fining Rodney and Terry after they review this tape.Couldn't help but think where was that guy all year, while watching Maroney last night.Aside from that tip, I didn't think Adalius played like the great player he is. Little curious since BB is so famous for using his LBers so well.Marcedes looked the best I've seen him all year.Reggie may have sat this week was a thought on Tuesday, so Del Rio got Charles Sharon off the PS to the active roster. How is promoting a PS player a suitable replacement for a starter? I have never seen a coach think so highly of a PS player one minute then so lowly of him the next...and he did that all summer too. DelRio couldn't be more confusing with Sharon.
Yeah I'm "bashing just to bash". That's why I agreed that Brady is good. Seriously, read the entire post not just what you want to read. The fact IS that most NFL QBs could complete that % with the time that Brady had to throw the ball. Tell me who is responsible for giving him that much time to throw. Yeah, that's what I thought. For crying out loud, Brett Favre only had only 5 incompletions on 23 attempts in a friggin' blizzard. Why? Because he was given time to throw by the guys in front of him. Make no mistake Brady is good but if he didn't have a stellar offensive line people wouldn't be saying "He's the best ever(and yeah read the thread it's being said). Surely you are smart enough to understand that?You're just bashing to bash. He didn't call Brady the best ever, you inferred that from the record set. There's no debate as it's a record, a statistical fact, that was the most accurate performance in a playoff game.For me, records generally mean more when people try and break them so Brady's will be bigger in future years. Now it's just "terrific game Tom" and that's it.Please, 95% of NFL QBs could complete 90%+ of their passes given the time Brady had to throw the ball. Brady is good but that OLine deserves most of the credit. How would Brady look in Detroit? I doubt people would call him the best ever.Brady set another record tonite. 92.9% completion. Not a bad day at the office for a guy who's "not even close". Doubters and hazers at this point arent worth really entertaining at this point in time. The record, records, and performances pretty much tell the story.
While I agree that this year the OL play has been exemplary this year, the core group has essentilly been the same over the last few years. And I don't remember in the past people suggesting that the OL play was spectacular. I don't remember people saying that Brady was great because of his OL (although they have been underrated).Yeah I'm "bashing just to bash". That's why I agreed that Brady is good. Seriously, read the entire post not just what you want to read. The fact IS that most NFL QBs could complete that % with the time that Brady had to throw the ball. Tell me who is responsible for giving him that much time to throw. Yeah, that's what I thought. For crying out loud, Brett Favre only had only 5 incompletions on 23 attempts in a friggin' blizzard. Why? Because he was given time to throw by the guys in front of him. Make no mistake Brady is good but if he didn't have a stellar offensive line people wouldn't be saying "He's the best ever(and yeah read the thread it's being said). Surely you are smart enough to understand that?You're just bashing to bash. He didn't call Brady the best ever, you inferred that from the record set. There's no debate as it's a record, a statistical fact, that was the most accurate performance in a playoff game.For me, records generally mean more when people try and break them so Brady's will be bigger in future years. Now it's just "terrific game Tom" and that's it.Please, 95% of NFL QBs could complete 90%+ of their passes given the time Brady had to throw the ball. Brady is good but that OLine deserves most of the credit. How would Brady look in Detroit? I doubt people would call him the best ever.Brady set another record tonite. 92.9% completion. Not a bad day at the office for a guy who's "not even close". Doubters and hazers at this point arent worth really entertaining at this point in time. The record, records, and performances pretty much tell the story.
Most quarterbacks could, but I doubt most would. I don't even think Brady would earlier in the season.It requires more than accuracy, it requires great emotional control and discipline. It takes great patience to check down, check down, check down. You have the most feared wr in the game (this season) and he is covered. it is is very tempting to throw to him even when double covered and see if he can make a play.As to Yudkin's point, Brady has more time to throw this year because of Randy Moss. Previously, NE had no one who required a constant double team. So you could attack the line. However, now teams are very aware of Moss. He makes a very good line look a lot better.Yeah I'm "bashing just to bash". That's why I agreed that Brady is good. Seriously, read the entire post not just what you want to read. The fact IS that most NFL QBs could complete that % with the time that Brady had to throw the ball. Tell me who is responsible for giving him that much time to throw. Yeah, that's what I thought.You're just bashing to bash. He didn't call Brady the best ever, you inferred that from the record set. There's no debate as it's a record, a statistical fact, that was the most accurate performance in a playoff game.For me, records generally mean more when people try and break them so Brady's will be bigger in future years. Now it's just "terrific game Tom" and that's it.Please, 95% of NFL QBs could complete 90%+ of their passes given the time Brady had to throw the ball. Brady is good but that OLine deserves most of the credit. How would Brady look in Detroit? I doubt people would call him the best ever.Brady set another record tonite. 92.9% completion. Not a bad day at the office for a guy who's "not even close". Doubters and hazers at this point arent worth really entertaining at this point in time. The record, records, and performances pretty much tell the story.
There's some history to that Brady play fake on the TD to Welker, important history since teams watch game film to study their upcoming opponents...In SB38, the Pats scored to make it 27-22 and went for 2. Brady lined up in shotgun with Faulk next to him. The snap went directly to Faulk, but Brady jumped high in the air while turning around to make it seem like the snap went over his head. This tricked the Panthers D just enough for Faulk to get over the line for 2 and the 7pt lead.In the playoff game at San Diego last year, the Pats scored to pull within 2 and again went for 2. Faulk initially lined up wide, but came in motion and stopped alongside Brady in shotgun...it was going to be the same play as in SB38. Marty Schottenheimer even recognized the play and wanted to call a timeout, but by starting Faulk wide and using the motion to disguise the play, Marty didn't have enough time to recognize AND call timeout before the Pats snapped the ball. Brady again did the snap-over-the-head acting job, Faulk scored to tie the game at 21 and the rest is history.In that Jaguars game Saturday night, Faulk was again next to Brady in shotgun. Now granted this wasn't a two-point play, but the Jaguars have seen film of Faulk next to Brady and if Brady jumps high in the air while turning around, it's a good bet that the snap went directly to Faulk. If you watch the replay, the entire DL and linebacker to the Pats' left side all went to Faulk, so they indeed were responding to what they've seen on film before. That's why Brady had all day.Some game thoughts-I thought that fake from Brady last night was pretty terrific. (Don't feel like a best ever debate is warranted, just pointing out a good play) I couldn't help but think how risky it was with his back to the Jags D like a "sitting duck". Geesh he could have been really hurt on that play. Putting he or Moss in such a risky situation is so far from expected, I thought that was a brilliant play call by BB.
Marcedes' usage in the gameplan was excellent by Del Rio. Lewis wasn't exactly a focal point in the offense and BB typically gameplans to take away the big weapons. I'm sure the Pats were focused on Taylor/Jones-Drew and dared Jax to go against their tendencies and do things like throw a lot to Lewis, for example. Jax did. Good self-scouting and probably expected the Pats would not pay too much attention to Lewis.Marcedes looked the best I've seen him all year.
You're right but that's in hindsight. I was referring to the play call, how would BB know? Gutsy great call IMOI must have been watching a different game. Did Jax get within 10' of Brady all night. I thought on that play that Jax did pretty good not to bite. The LB's stayed put, but someone is going to get open when you have over 5 seconds to find a reciever on every play.Some game thoughts-
I thought that fake from Brady last night was pretty terrific. (Don't feel like a best ever debate is warranted, just pointing out a good play) I couldn't help but think how risky it was with his back to the Jags D like a "sitting duck". Geesh he could have been really hurt on that play. Putting he or Moss in such a risky situation is so far from expected, I thought that was a brilliant play call by BB.
OK ThenYeah I'm "bashing just to bash".You're just bashing to bash. He didn't call Brady the best ever, you inferred that from the record set. There's no debate as it's a record, a statistical fact, that was the most accurate performance in a playoff game.For me, records generally mean more when people try and break them so Brady's will be bigger in future years. Now it's just "terrific game Tom" and that's it.Please, 95% of NFL QBs could complete 90%+ of their passes given the time Brady had to throw the ball. Brady is good but that OLine deserves most of the credit. How would Brady look in Detroit? I doubt people would call him the best ever.Brady set another record tonite. 92.9% completion. Not a bad day at the office for a guy who's "not even close". Doubters and hazers at this point arent worth really entertaining at this point in time. The record, records, and performances pretty much tell the story.
interesting postThere's some history to that Brady play fake on the TD to Welker, important history since teams watch game film to study their upcoming opponents...In SB38, the Pats scored to make it 27-22 and went for 2. Brady lined up in shotgun with Faulk next to him. The snap went directly to Faulk, but Brady jumped high in the air while turning around to make it seem like the snap went over his head. This tricked the Panthers D just enough for Faulk to get over the line for 2 and the 7pt lead.In the playoff game at San Diego last year, the Pats scored to pull within 2 and again went for 2. Faulk initially lined up wide, but came in motion and stopped alongside Brady in shotgun...it was going to be the same play as in SB38. Marty Schottenheimer even recognized the play and wanted to call a timeout, but by starting Faulk wide and using the motion to disguise the play, Marty didn't have enough time to recognize AND call timeout before the Pats snapped the ball. Brady again did the snap-over-the-head acting job, Faulk scored to tie the game at 21 and the rest is history.In that Jaguars game Saturday night, Faulk was again next to Brady in shotgun. Now granted this wasn't a two-point play, but the Jaguars have seen film of Faulk next to Brady and if Brady jumps high in the air while turning around, it's a good bet that the snap went directly to Faulk. If you watch the replay, the entire DL and linebacker to the Pats' left side all went to Faulk, so they indeed were responding to what they've seen on film before. That's why Brady had all day.Some game thoughts-I thought that fake from Brady last night was pretty terrific. (Don't feel like a best ever debate is warranted, just pointing out a good play) I couldn't help but think how risky it was with his back to the Jags D like a "sitting duck". Geesh he could have been really hurt on that play. Putting he or Moss in such a risky situation is so far from expected, I thought that was a brilliant play call by BB.Marcedes' usage in the gameplan was excellent by Del Rio. Lewis wasn't exactly a focal point in the offense and BB typically gameplans to take away the big weapons. I'm sure the Pats were focused on Taylor/Jones-Drew and dared Jax to go against their tendencies and do things like throw a lot to Lewis, for example. Jax did. Good self-scouting and probably expected the Pats would not pay too much attention to Lewis.Marcedes looked the best I've seen him all year.