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Do most still think Vick is a bad fantasy qb? (1 Viewer)

THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA

THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA

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He's been very durable thus far and been pretty consistent as well. Had 1 bad game last week but other than that he's been serviceable. I know most dont like him as there qb, and i have him as well in 4 of my 5 dynastys but I have been benching him for the likes of Mcnabb in 2 leagues (ROMO when Mcnabb went down) Brees over him in another. And him and Vince both at times for me in my other dynasty league.

So is he still a bad fantasy qb starter?

 
I think in most formats his numbers translate into a decent fantasy football QB. He pretty much kills the value of his receivers though (except Crumpler I guess).

 
been good fantasy ff qb for me this year after mcnabb wen down. Now lets see if he can win me a super bowl.

 
#2 in my league, but Peyton will pass him tonight. Palmer will probably pass him next week. And McNabb would be past him if he hadn't have gotten hurt. :yes: So, he would have likely finished 5th in my league. About the same as last year. He would have been in the top 10 in 2004 if he hadn't missed a game. Top 10 3 years in a row is not a bad fantasy qb. I guess the worst thing about him is consistency. He'll have great games, then follow it up with a stinker.

 
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Vick definitely obviously defies the need to be a 25-30 TD guy to be an effective fantasy QB - as long as your scoring system sufficiently rewards rushing yards/attempts.

I can see Vince Young following in his footsteps, in this regard.

 
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA said:
He's been very durable thus far and been pretty consistent as well. Had 1 bad game last week but other than that he's been serviceable. I know most dont like him as there qb, and i have him as well in 4 of my 5 dynastys but I have been benching him for the likes of Mcnabb in 2 leagues (ROMO when Mcnabb went down) Brees over him in another. And him and Vince both at times for me in my other dynasty league.

So is he still a bad fantasy qb starter?
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He's never been a bad Fantasy QB. Maybe not the #1 overall, 1st round pick hysteria a couple of years back, but very much a starting FF QB.He still scares me, though. While this season he has been mostly consistent, I still can see him throwing up one of those 12 / 25 107 0 2 passing lines with no rushing stats to support it ( ie. TB in week 14 ). It's his ability to put up single digits that can cost you in the playoffs, and thats a killer.

FWIW, the hate on Vick in my league is so strong that he went undrafted, and I got him off the wire after week 1. He's been my starter ever since.

 
I find myself warming up to him although I have been very skeptical in the past. He is still so young. Only 26 right now. That is the age a lot of NFL Qbs are entering thier 3rd year when they reach thier potential. I know he's been in the league a lot longer than that. But its somthing I have had to remind myself about.

He has shown glimpses of turning the corner as a passer in 3 big games this year. It makes me somewhat optimistic about him still improving as a passer.

Still high risk/reward but the reward is very high.

I think Jenkins is developing better than some give him credit for although I think Vicks style does hurt the Wrs development somewhat as well.

 
In a standard scoring league, Vick was one of this years most consistent fantasy scoring QB's. Anybody saying otherwise, doesn't know what they're talking about.

 
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA said:
He's been very durable thus far and been pretty consistent as well. Had 1 bad game last week but other than that he's been serviceable. I know most dont like him as there qb, and i have him as well in 4 of my 5 dynastys but I have been benching him for the likes of Mcnabb in 2 leagues (ROMO when Mcnabb went down) Brees over him in another. And him and Vince both at times for me in my other dynasty league.

So is he still a bad fantasy qb starter?
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He's #4 in my league. He's done very well on the fantasy front.I'm just glad I picked up Brees in week 3. Otherwise I was screwed.

 
I mentioned this in one of the other Vick threads, but the Falcons red zone offense is one of the most bizarre I've ever seen and Vick owners are loving it.

Has there ever been a team that was so good on the run and so bad on the pass, and yet insists on passing for every score once they get into goal-to-go? I know Dunn isn't exactly a power back but they've all but given up on even trying to punch it in.

Good times...

 
# 6 in my league...

yet i dont like the guy at all...risk reward. 6 great games a year 10 bad ones.

if you are in a total points league great...

if its head to head...you might miss the playoffs.

 
I traded Reuben Droughns for him earier this year (yup, have me arrested) and he's been my starter with Kitna as my #2. It usually ain't pretty, but he puts points on the board in my league (standard scoring) and that's all that matters to me.

I know this much--without Mickey, I wouldn't be poised to go to my second straight championship game next week.

 
Two Deep said:
#10 in our league.
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#3 in all my leagues & #2 in another. I thought Vick was the 2nd most consistent QB behind Mcnabb, someone had a webpage which showed it. I drafted Vick on average in the 9th round or later in the leagues I drafted him & in all those leagues I'm in the playoffs, so I'm happy.
 
Road Warriors said:
He's never been a bad Fantasy QB. Maybe not the #1 overall, 1st round pick hysteria a couple of years back, but very much a starting FF QB.

He still scares me, though. While this season he has been mostly consistent, I still can see him throwing up one of those 12 / 25 107 0 2 passing lines with no rushing stats to support it ( ie. TB in week 14 ). It's his ability to put up single digits that can cost you in the playoffs, and thats a killer.

FWIW, the hate on Vick in my league is so strong that he went undrafted, and I got him off the wire after week 1. He's been my starter ever since.
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Every QB in the league is a risk for a lousy, single-digit week. This week Brees, Bulger, Favre, Rivers, Kitna, and Young all laid eggs.The fact is, Vick's rushing yardage makes him *less* vulnerable to the stinker weeks than most other QBs. With standard scoring, you can pencil him in for 5 points or so worth of rushing stats before he's even heaved a pass.

 
Red Apples said:
# 6 in my league...yet i dont like the guy at all...risk reward. 6 great games a year 10 bad ones.if you are in a total points league great...if its head to head...you might miss the playoffs.
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This is one of the biggest myths in all of fantasy football, as is his "fragile" nature. Vick has played in 44 of 46 possible games the past from 04-06, one of eight QB to play in that many games. In that time, he's ranked 4th in total fantasy points scored by QB in a standard scoring league.As for the assertion that he is wildly inconsistent, I looked at one of my leagues (6 pts for all TD so not standard scoring), and in that time he's had:under 10 points: 910-19 points: 15 20+ points: 20Even PManning has had 5 games of under 10 points in that time. I suspect that there will be few better value picks than Vick, as his ADP has fallen precipitously over the years. If you have Vick, you should be have depth at other positions (and more studs) than if you invested in a QB in the early rounds.As I see it, Vick costs a $1.00 but gives you $1.60-$2.00 return on your dollar. Other QBs cost $2.00 to $3.00 and give you $1.75 for that investment. Which is a better investment?
 
Red Apples said:
# 6 in my league...yet i dont like the guy at all...risk reward. 6 great games a year 10 bad ones.if you are in a total points league great...if its head to head...you might miss the playoffs.
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wrong...or should I say show me the 10 bad games.19, 27, 11, 18, 15, 27, 31 14, 14, 15, 23, 19, 5, 30I am in 3 leagues. I am starting Vick next week in 1 championship game. I am against Vick in another...In the 3rd the guy missed playoffs at 7-6 due to a tie-breaker. But he only had Vick half the year. I had him the 1st half and am still alive for title (pending tonight)
 
He was ranked 7th going into this week. He had a couple REAL stinkers. This is the reason why I traded for Palmer because of Vicks inconsistancies...

15,13,10,12,13,5

Not exactly lights out. He had some GREAT games, but that was proceeded by a 7, 11, 15.

Now the Dallas game is going to boost his over-all, but its like saying, Barry Sanders had 5 runs of 1 yard and a 30 yard scamper. Thats good for one drive, but the other two drives stalled and they had to punt.

Palmer last six weeks: 9,26,17,20,12,17 - That 9 sticks out like a sore thumb, but soemthing started to click after that game and it has been a very good consistant output each week.

Vick was a low risk, high potential pick. He is worth WAY more then he was drafted for, but the owner needs to watch out for his 7 point weeks and 5 point weeks. They could KILL a playoff run.

 
CBFalcon said:
Red Apples said:
# 6 in my league...yet i dont like the guy at all...risk reward. 6 great games a year 10 bad ones.if you are in a total points league great...if its head to head...you might miss the playoffs.
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wrong...or should I say show me the 10 bad games.19, 27, 11, 18, 15, 27, 31 14, 14, 15, 23, 19, 5, 30I am in 3 leagues. I am starting Vick next week in 1 championship game. I am against Vick in another...In the 3rd the guy missed playoffs at 7-6 due to a tie-breaker. But he only had Vick half the year. I had him the 1st half and am still alive for title (pending tonight)
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Yeah. In our league:21 29 10 15 17 33 34 14 14 16 20 21 4 35 I see 7 good or very good games (20-35), 5 average games (14-17), and 2 bad (4&10).
 
Road Warriors said:
It's his ability to put up single digits that can cost you in the playoffs, and thats a killer.
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You have it all wrong.There's a popular theory, which was recently proven conclusively, that "stud" QBs will have bad games in the playoffs. Since Vick gets his bad games out of the way early, he's money for the playoffs. Ka-ching!
 
zamboni said:
Vick definitely obviously defies the need to be a 25-30 TD guy to be an effective fantasy QB - as long as your scoring system sufficiently rewards rushing yards/attempts.I can see Vince Young following in his footsteps, in this regard.
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Just wondering if you would also put leinart in this category seeing that he has 2 rushing tds(5- VY) and 10 TDs passing (tied with VY) and 12 picks (VY with one less)....or do u see him being the better passer , probably the case since he is working with 2 number 1WRs and VY with 2 #2's(maybe?)
 
Gargoylez said:
He was ranked 7th going into this week. He had a couple REAL stinkers. This is the reason why I traded for Palmer because of Vicks inconsistancies...

15,13,10,12,13,5

Not exactly lights out. He had some GREAT games, but that was proceeded by a 7, 11, 15.

Now the Dallas game is going to boost his over-all, but its like saying, Barry Sanders had 5 runs of 1 yard and a 30 yard scamper. Thats good for one drive, but the other two drives stalled and they had to punt.

Palmer last six weeks: 9,26,17,20,12,17 - That 9 sticks out like a sore thumb, but soemthing started to click after that game and it has been a very good consistant output each week.

Vick was a low risk, high potential pick. He is worth WAY more then he was drafted for, but the owner needs to watch out for his 7 point weeks and 5 point weeks. They could KILL a playoff run.
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Ouch!Having Palmer throw no TD's & only post 176 yards, while watching Vick go off for 230+ yards & 4 TD's has GOT to suck for you.

Hope Palmer's bad game wasn't a playoff killer for you. :banned:

 
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Shick! said:
smcindoe said:
Road Warriors said:
It's his ability to put up single digits that can cost you in the playoffs, and thats a killer.
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You have it all wrong.There's a popular theory, which was recently proven conclusively, that "stud" QBs will have bad games in the playoffs. Since Vick gets his bad games out of the way early, he's money for the playoffs. Ka-ching!
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Statements like this make me cringe.
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Yeah, I read that too & just grinned to myself figuring he was joking...well...hopefully he was just kidding around. :bag:
 
Big Score said:
Gargoylez said:
He was ranked 7th going into this week. He had a couple REAL stinkers. This is the reason why I traded for Palmer because of Vicks inconsistancies...

15,13,10,12,13,5

Not exactly lights out. He had some GREAT games, but that was proceeded by a 7, 11, 15.

Now the Dallas game is going to boost his over-all, but its like saying, Barry Sanders had 5 runs of 1 yard and a 30 yard scamper. Thats good for one drive, but the other two drives stalled and they had to punt.

Palmer last six weeks: 9,26,17,20,12,17 - That 9 sticks out like a sore thumb, but soemthing started to click after that game and it has been a very good consistant output each week.

Vick was a low risk, high potential pick. He is worth WAY more then he was drafted for, but the owner needs to watch out for his 7 point weeks and 5 point weeks. They could KILL a playoff run.
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Ouch!Having Palmer throw no TD's & only post 176 yards, while watching Vick go off for 230+ yards & 4 TD's has GOT to suck for you.

Hope Palmer's bad game wasn't a playoff killer for you. :(
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:lmao: Yeah, forget what i said.

I don't know who it was who posted the "I am benching Brees" thread, but I need to learn his technique.

I got KILLED. my opponent had Harrison...

OUCH is right! Can't complain though, had a good year, my luck just ran out. :)

 
Big Score said:
Shick! said:
smcindoe said:
You have it all wrong.

There's a popular theory, which was recently proven conclusively, that "stud" QBs will have bad games in the playoffs. Since Vick gets his bad games out of the way early, he's money for the playoffs. Ka-ching!
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Statements like this make me cringe.
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Yeah, I read that too & just grinned to myself figuring he was joking...well...hopefully he was just kidding around. :loco:
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When I wrote it, I actually thought I was being too obvious and should tone down the sarcasm a little.
 
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