Terminalxylem
Footballguy
There seems to be disagreement with how widely this belief is held. What do you think?
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Do you support banning all guns (1 Viewer)
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I was raised with guns, but think they’re causing far more harm than good. Used to be pro-2A; changed my stance after reading the limited data on gun deaths. Still, I voted “no”.
rockaction
Footballguy
I voted no, and not only from a theoretical standpoint, but from a practical one. It'd be tough to ban guns given our Constitution, especially given the 2A interpretation of the current S. Ct., which tends to lean toward private gun ownership by individual citizens.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
No. People have an inherent right to self-defense, and weapons like handguns and shotguns are appropriate for that.
(Edited to add that I'm not a gun-owner. I just reserve the right to become one if our society continues on its current trajectory).
(Edited to add that I'm not a gun-owner. I just reserve the right to become one if our society continues on its current trajectory).
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
No.
I'm in favor of a responsible gun owner having to do quite a bit to acquire a gun. It should be a pain in the rear end, not as easy as going to a flea market.
I'm in favor of a responsible gun owner having to do quite a bit to acquire a gun. It should be a pain in the rear end, not as easy as going to a flea market.
The Commish
Footballguy
1. Should be a public poll.
2. Only disagreement is by those who have a narrative they want to live rather than reality.
Almost every single person on this board I have conversed with on this topic over the years makes their beliefs crystal clear and few of them have no desire to "ban all guns".
Westerberg
Footballguy
Yes.
If our society survives, we'll look back 100 (200?) years from now in bewilderment at our relationship with guns. Banning them all now would be a disaster, but I have hope that a cultural shift away from guns happens in the coming decades.
If our society survives, we'll look back 100 (200?) years from now in bewilderment at our relationship with guns. Banning them all now would be a disaster, but I have hope that a cultural shift away from guns happens in the coming decades.
foxco
Footballguy
100% agree.
We'll never curb all gun violence, but we could definitely put a dent in it.
That said, I do think it's part of the puzzle and mental health needs to be looked at as well.
Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
To the OP does banning all guns include confiscation or are the 300-400 million firearms in the country grandfathered?
Westerberg
Footballguy
Not the OP, but any ban that involves taking guns from people is going to be chaos. At some point in the future, I have hope that the demand for guns will be radically different than it is now. Someday we're going to wake up and realize that we don't want these things around. Only at that point would a ban be workable.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I don’t really care one way or the other, but I guess the logical answer is all guns includes those in circulation, too. LEOs and active duty military would be excluded, of course.
The General
Footballguy
No.
But what we have now is messed up.
But what we have now is messed up.
Westerberg
Footballguy
Are all the folks saying "no" believers in the 2nd Amendment? Or do y'all just see a ban as unworkable?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
No.
It just needs to be much harder to legally purchase guns. I don't agree with CC and OC, and also think there should be a high bar achieved to acquire those, but prefer it not an option.
It just needs to be much harder to legally purchase guns. I don't agree with CC and OC, and also think there should be a high bar achieved to acquire those, but prefer it not an option.
Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
How would we accomplish that? I’m not picking on you but I hear this argument quite a bit. For those that think confiscation is ever going to happen, I implore you to take the time to go to a gun show. Look around and closely observe the people there. Now multiply that by 10 million and tell me how that leads to anything other than civil war and mass carnage.
timschochet
Footballguy
No, but I support banning the New England Patriots.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I support the 2nd amendment. If the 2nd amendment didn't exist, I would probably argue that the right to self-defense is an entrenched part of the common law that should be protected by the 9th amendment, but (a) I'm not sure how strong such an argument would be, and (b) it's all academic since the 2nd amendment actually does exist.
This is really just relevant for discussion like this one, where we're talking about the extreme hypothetical of banning private ownership of firearms in some form or another. I wouldn't support that even if such a thing were workable, which it obviously isn't. I don't think the 2nd amendment is an impediment to many other forms of gun control, like background checks, waiting periods, and the like.
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Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
I am. An armed citizenry with restrictions (I’m in favor of heavy restrictions and outlined them in the other thread), in a country this large is the only check and balance we have left.
Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
timschochet said:
I think we finally found something that EVERYONE can agree on.
Good work on bringing all sides together, Tim!
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crackattack
Footballguy
timschochet said:
as a Colts fan I support this 100%!!
moleculo
Footballguy
of course I don't support banning all guns. We have a constitutional right to self defense. Our dispersed geography, where many people live >30 min from the nearest LEO means we can't count on them for defense.
That doesn't mean weapons shouldn't be heavily regulated and not whatever it is we have today. I'm sick and tired of this slippery slope argument being used to block anything meaningful.
That doesn't mean weapons shouldn't be heavily regulated and not whatever it is we have today. I'm sick and tired of this slippery slope argument being used to block anything meaningful.
moleculo
Footballguy
I can't imagine what this world looks like. Is it because the world is so peaceful that there is never any crime? Is it because the police state decides they are better off providing for our security? Or is there some event that is so deplorable that we can all come together as one to get rid of them? If the mass killing of elementary children doesn't do it, I can't imagine what would.Westerberg said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am all for guns for self-defense and for hunting. I do not think assault rifles are necessary for either so I would be good with making them illegal.
I'm also for making 21 be the minimum age to purchase a gun, improving background checks and extending them to online purchases and gun shows.
All of the above seem like no-brainers but most of our Republican leaders won't agree to any of them.
I'm also for making 21 be the minimum age to purchase a gun, improving background checks and extending them to online purchases and gun shows.
All of the above seem like no-brainers but most of our Republican leaders won't agree to any of them.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Westerberg
Footballguy
It looks like the rest of the developed world. It's not hard to imagine. Given our history/constitution it's taking us longer, but we'll get there eventually.
moleculo
Footballguy
most of the developed world had some incident that shocked the citizens into action. We have had multiple, just this month. Given the reaction from our 2A friends, I'm not going to hold my breath.
The Commish
Footballguy
Firm believer in 2nd Amendment.Westerberg said:
massraider
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
No, I do not support banning all guns. I support making them much harder to get and for us as a country to stop glorifying them.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I’m fine with hunting, shooting for sport, and having guns for self-defense on one’s property.Westerberg said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes. For example… Id love to live in a place where elected representatives aren’t posting pictures of them and their family (including children) posing for Christmas cards with a cache of guns.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Yeah some of those GOP political ads are just ridiculous. "This is how I cook MY bacon, on the red hot barrel of an AR-15! Cuz I'm a *real* man!". JFC, grow up.
"I don't just have guns, I have a cannon! Cuz I'm a *real* patriot!"
Toby2ElectricBugaloo
Footballguy
Westerberg said:
Mostly the latter. Like pretty much every other person in America prior to the late 1970s, I don't think the Second Amendment confers an individual right to own guns outside of the context of a well-regulated militia.
And I think we could get the Court to say as much, if we borrow tactics from the pro-life movement: give no quarter or compromise and consistently assault public officials and lobbyists with grotesque images of murdered elementary school kids (I think most Americans get their knowledge of how the human body responds to gunfire from TV shows and opinions would shift quickly when they learned the truth), activists outside every gun shop yelling at customers and calling them murderers, treat the Supreme Court as the political entity that it is and do everything within your power to change it no matter how much the other side complains, all of it. I don't recall anyone on the right condemning these tactics for the last 30 years, so they're fair game.
But guns are a huge part of American culture, and that simply won't change no matter how much we change the law. There's too many already in circulation. You can't change something like that just by outlawing it. And I sure as hell don't want to hand law enforcement yet another tool for imprisoning poor minorities while letting everyone else slide, which is unquestionably how enforcement would go if we had a national ban.
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Easy there. You're on the verge of getting @timschochet to change his mind about the existence of slippery slopes.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
It was a joke -- we went didn't attempt a punt against NE the last two times we played them, and I just felt like talking a little trash after 20 or so years of misery.
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Oh, I know. I'm still pissed about the Tuck Rule, so I don't miss a chance to join in on kicking the Pats when they're down.
